| 00:10.16 | JohnnyL | I have a theory that bloat code can be squeezed down 1000%. |
| 00:14.35 | g1powermac_PB | but do you have any theories on how to remove the CO2 bubbles left inside me after my laparoscopic gallbladder surgery? ;-) |
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| 00:27.25 | ds2 | yes, do the surgery in a vacuum ;) |
| 00:27.51 | g1powermac_PB | heh, that maybe a bit more painful ;-) |
| 00:28.08 | ds2 | but no bubbles ;) |
| 00:28.21 | g1powermac_PB | true, true :-) |
| 00:30.18 | g1powermac_PB | *sigh* these bubbles can be really painful, even with two vicodins |
| 00:30.45 | g1powermac_PB | depending on where the bubbles lodge, it feels like they did shoulder surgery |
| 00:31.27 | ds2 | would a barometric chamber like what the divers use help? |
| 00:31.42 | g1powermac_PB | I wonder, it may |
| 00:31.59 | g1powermac_PB | the co2 needs to dissolve in the blood stream and then be exhaled |
| 00:32.34 | g1powermac_PB | the higher pressure from the barometric chamber might speed up that process |
| 00:44.12 | ds2 | increasing ambient pressure should increase solubility of CO2 |
| 00:44.38 | ds2 | or keep things cool but it is hard to do that inside a non reptile |
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| 00:50.03 | prpplague | ho ho ho |
| 00:50.09 | prpplague | merry freakin thursday |
| 00:51.07 | ds2 | just thursday? |
| 01:00.06 | prpplague | ds2: one hell of a thursday |
| 01:00.15 | prpplague | has crossed over to the dark side |
| 01:01.08 | MonMotha | oh? |
| 01:01.45 | prpplague | yea |
| 01:02.07 | prpplague | long story short, i'm going to wince device driver school |
| 01:02.55 | prpplague | big battle at the office today |
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| 01:05.04 | MonMotha | ouch |
| 01:05.12 | MonMotha | that'll make you wince |
| 01:06.54 | prpplague | indeed |
| 01:09.37 | MonMotha | prpplague: know any linux capable ARM modules with 0.1" spacing that bring out a TFT LCD interface? |
| 01:10.05 | MonMotha | does not need to be breadboardable, just 0.1" |
| 01:10.15 | MonMotha | (fit on perfboard) |
| 01:10.30 | prpplague | MonMotha: the hammer ofcourse brings out 8 bits, but the armkits boards is a little more robust, one sec, let me get the url |
| 01:11.00 | MonMotha | I'd like to see 16 bits |
| 01:11.40 | MonMotha | armkits seems broken atm, which is one reason I asked |
| 01:12.23 | prpplague | http://www.armkits.com/Product/mini2410_II.asp |
| 01:12.47 | MonMotha | heh, that's 2mm though |
| 01:12.56 | MonMotha | won't fit on perfboard, and won't use standard IDC headers |
| 01:13.12 | ds2 | at least it is not 2.5mm ;) |
| 01:13.33 | MonMotha | or, even worse, 2.5mm advertised as 0.1" |
| 01:13.37 | MonMotha | (I've seen that) |
| 01:13.56 | prpplague | uh is it? |
| 01:14.00 | prpplague | double checks |
| 01:14.03 | MonMotha | page claims 2mm |
| 01:14.08 | MonMotha | I had been looking at that |
| 01:14.32 | MonMotha | "Embest Mini2410-II processor card uses two 2.0mm space 56-pin biserial dip connector..." |
| 01:15.14 | prpplague | yep sure is, i thought it was 0.1" |
| 01:15.24 | MonMotha | you know what would be neat? a breadboard compatible MCU/FPGA module that routes ALL the IO through the FPGA rather than directly to the module pins |
| 01:15.37 | MonMotha | then you could pick and choose your pinout for the module (Excepting power, of course) |
| 01:15.46 | prpplague | MonMotha: yea, i;ve heard that more than once |
| 01:15.49 | ds2 | MonMotha: what kind of core? |
| 01:15.53 | MonMotha | that would be a hella expensive board though due to the geometries required to fit all that on there |
| 01:16.05 | prpplague | MonMotha: what we had originally talked about for the hammer was having a cpld |
| 01:16.06 | MonMotha | ds2: Probably Cortex A8 or ARM11, if possible |
| 01:16.11 | prpplague | MonMotha: which could mux the pins |
| 01:16.13 | MonMotha | so there would be SDRAM and Flash onboard, too |
| 01:16.15 | ds2 | oh you want full blown linux |
| 01:16.20 | MonMotha | would be nice, yes |
| 01:16.24 | MonMotha | I am aware of the FPSLIC stuff |
| 01:16.25 | ds2 | if you can deal with uCLinux, that eixsts |
| 01:16.30 | MonMotha | it's neat, but dev tools are tough |
| 01:16.34 | prpplague | MonMotha: how big do you need it to be? |
| 01:16.35 | ds2 | the Actel FPGA + Soft arm core |
| 01:16.49 | MonMotha | prpplague: really, all I need is the LCD controller |
| 01:16.51 | ds2 | no geometry issues |
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| 01:17.06 | prpplague | MonMotha: ahh, but you need it as 0.1" pins? |
| 01:17.17 | MonMotha | prpplague: yup, I'm attempting to build this up on perfboard |
| 01:17.29 | prpplague | MonMotha: hmm, how many do you need? |
| 01:17.34 | MonMotha | prpplague: one :) |
| 01:17.42 | MonMotha | if I needed several, I'd make my own module |
| 01:18.05 | prpplague | MonMotha: i can send you a s3c2440 module tomorrow |
| 01:18.21 | MonMotha | what formfactor? |
| 01:18.46 | MonMotha | this is just for some grins by me. I've got a bunch of old TFTs laying around, and I'm trying to make an "electronic etch-a-sketch" |
| 01:18.59 | prpplague | MonMotha: the module itself is pretty small but we have a small motherboard that has .1" pins for all connections on the module |
| 01:19.08 | MonMotha | I see... |
| 01:19.15 | prpplague | MonMotha: give me a shout in the morning |
| 01:19.20 | MonMotha | ok, I will if I remember |
| 01:19.35 | prpplague | MonMotha: i'll send myself an email |
| 01:19.45 | prpplague | actually, solar has one of the boards |
| 01:19.52 | MonMotha | I'd make a board, but this is likely to end up requiring finer geometries/more layers than my normal hobby panels have |
| 01:20.00 | prpplague | MonMotha: it is what we had intended to be the jackhammer |
| 01:20.20 | MonMotha | I don't feel like paying for 4-6 layers at 6/6 in order to build up an ARM just for a silly project |
| 01:20.28 | prpplague | http://elinux.org/JackHammer_Board |
| 01:20.53 | MonMotha | spiffy |
| 01:20.56 | prpplague | i'd love to find a regular customer for that |
| 01:20.59 | MonMotha | some sort of BSP, I hope? |
| 01:21.18 | prpplague | MonMotha: hehe, yea, it's basically identical to the 8050 |
| 01:21.25 | MonMotha | figures |
| 01:21.27 | prpplague | hehe |
| 01:21.40 | MonMotha | basically I just need the LCD encoder and a couple of timer/counters |
| 01:21.50 | MonMotha | LCD + two quadrature encoders |
| 01:21.56 | ds2 | I need more interseting projects |
| 01:21.57 | MonMotha | oh, and I guess an accelerometer, so a A/d |
| 01:22.14 | prpplague | how much color are you going to use on the tft? |
| 01:22.18 | MonMotha | if it's got SPI or I2C, I can handle the rest of it |
| 01:22.59 | MonMotha | prpplague: looks like it's an 18 bit anel |
| 01:23.01 | MonMotha | *panel |
| 01:23.11 | MonMotha | so probably run it at 16 |
| 01:23.35 | prpplague | but are you actually going to do lots of color or just greyscale ala etch-e-sketch |
| 01:24.01 | MonMotha | prpplague: well, I was going to do color, but I guess I probably don't need all 16 bits (would be neat for loading up background images to paint over, though) |
| 01:24.26 | prpplague | MonMotha: custom framebuffer app? or something running under x? |
| 01:24.42 | MonMotha | prpplague: I was hoping to basically use GIMP |
| 01:24.52 | MonMotha | hack up the cursor stuff using XTEST |
| 01:25.19 | MonMotha | be aware that this is not a commercial endevor |
| 01:25.28 | MonMotha | I've got a box of LCDs to do something with :) |
| 01:25.29 | prpplague | wow that is ambisuous |
| 01:25.53 | MonMotha | well, I figure if I can make hardware that can handle it, I might as well make the software do neat things |
| 01:26.24 | MonMotha | my thought was to have the two knobs control the cursor like usual, then add a set of buttons between the knobs to select drawing tools and brushes |
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| 01:27.05 | MonMotha | I'd have to some up with some sort of filter for the "shake to erase" or something, but that seems like the hardest part. The rest can all be done on a fullscreen GIMP using XTEST to simulate real inputs or actually coding up real input drivers |
| 01:27.16 | MonMotha | two knobs after all look very much like a mouse |
| 01:28.19 | MonMotha | other appliations might include slideshow using a knob to flip through the pictures, for which 16bit color would be barely adequate |
| 01:28.19 | ds2 | why xtest? why not just do a userspace /dev/input thing and let X go at it? |
| 01:28.24 | prpplague | ahh interesting |
| 01:28.47 | MonMotha | ds2: certainly doable, but I might need to fudge some things for the "shake to erase" function. Might end up using a hybrid of both |
| 01:29.10 | MonMotha | prpplague: my goal is to actually put it in real etch-a-sketch plastic, but I'm not quite sure it'll fit. The LCD is very close |
| 01:30.51 | ds2 | hmmm you don't really need an accelerometer for that |
| 01:31.05 | MonMotha | ds2: no, but an accelerometer lets you do other neat things |
| 01:31.16 | ds2 | such as? |
| 01:31.26 | MonMotha | I'm intentionally trying to overdesign the hardware as much as reasonable in order to enable other software applications |
| 01:31.39 | MonMotha | ds2: seen the stuff people are making for the iphone |
| 01:31.39 | MonMotha | ? |
| 01:31.51 | ds2 | Oh that heheh so it is a 3 axis thing |
| 01:32.02 | MonMotha | yeah, not just a 1d |
| 01:37.59 | prpplague | MonMotha: why not start with the didj as a test platform? |
| 01:38.45 | prpplague | MonMotha: the didj seems like a perfect item for that |
| 01:41.14 | MonMotha | I guess I hadn't really considered hacking up a consumer device |
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| 14:58.28 | kergoth | morning |
| 14:59.59 | prpplague | ho ho ho, merry freakin friday |
| 15:07.47 | kergoth | indeed |
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| 16:39.02 | sorphin | checks for signs of life |
| 16:39.53 | life | hi sorphin! |
| 16:40.17 | sorphin | hi |
| 16:42.29 | prpplague | sorphin: hey bud |
| 16:42.41 | sorphin | is getting divorced |
| 16:43.31 | prpplague | sorphin: you say that like it is a bad thing |
| 16:43.35 | agaffney | haha |
| 16:43.35 | sorphin | heh |
| 16:44.21 | chouimat|work | prpplague peace is expensive :D |
| 16:44.24 | sorphin | prpplague: wasn't it you that got divorced, but then got with someone else? |
| 16:44.26 | sorphin | :P |
| 16:44.46 | prpplague | sorphin: yep, got locked up just after getting paroled |
| 16:45.00 | chouimat|work | hehe |
| 16:45.13 | sorphin | well |
| 16:45.18 | sorphin | I won't be doing that. |
| 16:45.35 | prpplague | famous last words |
| 16:45.39 | sorphin | esp after the way she handled all this |
| 16:45.41 | sorphin | nope |
| 16:45.49 | sorphin | She walked away from counseling |
| 16:46.03 | sorphin | packed up and moved while i was at work, then told me at lunch that day |
| 16:46.13 | agaffney | *cough* bitch *cough* |
| 16:46.24 | sorphin | , was responsive till she got on her own cell plan |
| 16:46.26 | sorphin | now, nothing |
| 16:46.39 | sorphin | so my nice lawyer (who's also a municipal judge) |
| 16:46.42 | sorphin | will deal with her |
| 16:46.45 | sorphin | i'm done. |
| 16:47.00 | prpplague | fun fun |
| 16:47.00 | agaffney | I didn't think judges could still be practicing lawyers |
| 16:47.14 | prpplague | agaffney: as long as it isn't related to existing cases |
| 16:47.21 | agaffney | ah |
| 16:48.23 | chouimat|work | sorphin: take your time ... I'm just starting to date again ... the last 8 years were hard but I think it worth the wait :) |
| 16:49.46 | prpplague | refrains from making jokes about chouimat|work 's ability to get a date |
| 16:50.30 | chouimat|work | prpplague I probably heard them all ... and when you're not looking for a date it's kind of difficult to get one |
| 16:52.01 | wmat | celebrates 9 years of marriage on Sunday |
| 16:52.59 | wmat | fwiw, it's hard work, man |
| 16:53.10 | wmat | especially once the kids come into the picture |
| 16:53.37 | wmat | sorphin: any kids? |
| 16:54.53 | wmat | holy shite, 1.2 million jobs were lost in the US in 2008! |
| 16:58.45 | sorphin | no |
| 16:58.46 | sorphin | no kids |
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| 17:02.02 | sorphin | she had cleaned out the house except for the bedroom stuff, the sectional and stuff that was obviously mine.. but took anything that 'she bought or her family or parents bought' during the marriage... a big nono |
| 17:02.17 | chouimat|work | wow |
| 17:03.26 | sorphin | anyways |
| 17:04.35 | wmat | ouch, that's cold |
| 17:04.56 | wmat | any debts you can pass along to her ;) |
| 17:07.28 | sorphin | she's still financially responsible for her portion of the cell bill from last month (though, we used to split it in 1/2 instead of the $9.99 + $30 the plan says)... and she's joint owner of the house, so she's technically responsible for part of that till things are final |
| 17:07.41 | sorphin | which the house payment is $1842.93 |
| 17:11.59 | wmat | you selling it? |
| 17:12.40 | wmat | are you in the US? |
| 17:14.34 | kergoth | hey sorphin, long time |
| 17:15.20 | CP|home | The gang is all here |
| 17:16.00 | kergoth | just about, indeed |
| 17:16.29 | kergoth | timriker's not here |
| 17:16.30 | kergoth | thinks |
| 17:21.04 | kergoth | i wonder.. |
| 17:21.22 | kergoth | thinks about making a script to construct a repo based multi-repository OpenEmbedded metadata set from a set of packages in the upstream git repo |
| 17:27.59 | prpplague | MonMotha: maybe a version of tuxpaint would be better for your etch-e-sketch |
| 17:31.05 | prpplague | MonMotha: http://www.tuxpaint.org/ |
| 17:32.26 | agaffney | sorphin: good luck unloading the house in this market |
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| 17:46.33 | CP|home | time to go find a more powerful CPU fan |
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| 18:44.51 | CP|home | time to install said fan |
| 18:55.46 | wmat | riker is usually in #elinux |
| 18:56.51 | ds2 | with this sudden gathering, is something bad expected to happen? ;) |
| 19:06.08 | MothaWork | prpplague: I figured there might be other/better apps, though the power of GIMP would be pretty awesome if the interface could be made to work out |
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| 19:19.09 | landley | Hiya prpplague. |
| 19:19.17 | landley | How goes continuing fallout from the eediot? |
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| 19:30.06 | prpplague | ho ho hum |
| 19:30.11 | prpplague | landley: hey bud |
| 19:30.16 | prpplague | landley: not well at all |
| 19:30.23 | prpplague | landley: lots of layoffs and firings |
| 19:30.33 | prpplague | landley: trying to work on saving things |
| 19:30.47 | prpplague | landley: how are things on your end? |
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| 19:35.01 | landley | prpplague: reasonable. |
| 19:35.23 | landley | Still taking time off to bang on FWL and such. I should look for a job soon. |
| 19:35.34 | landley | But I got uClibc++ building, so C++ is in the native toolchain now. |
| 19:35.39 | landley | Cleaning things up for another release. |
| 19:35.56 | landley | uClibc 0.9.30 should be out soon. (There's one blocking bug, I should break down and fix it for bernhard today.) |
| 19:36.23 | landley | Set up a server to do nightly builds. They'll go in http://uclibc.org/~landley/fwl once I've got the server set up. |
| 19:36.34 | landley | (The builds in there are a few days old now, before c++ worked in the native toolchain.) |
| 19:52.00 | prpplague | landley: fun fun |
| 19:52.18 | prpplague | landley: i'm afraid i've been called over to the dark side, gonna have do some wince dev |
| 19:52.47 | landley | Ouch. |
| 19:52.53 | landley | (Nobody ever _has_ to do wince dev.) |
| 19:53.40 | sunrunner20 | LOL |
| 19:53.43 | sunrunner20 | there are |
| 19:54.02 | sunrunner20 | 1039 seperate access points on the bus ride between my house and school |
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| 19:54.45 | sunrunner20 | about 10% are unsecured |
| 19:55.16 | landley | sunrunner20: my access point was unsecured until the traffic leaching off it slowed down my access time unacceptably. |
| 19:55.24 | sunrunner20 | and about 30% of the secured ones are 2wire (secured by default) |
| 19:55.32 | landley | Browsing through my access point, fine. Running bittorrent on it for 6 hous: IMPOLITE. |
| 19:55.43 | sunrunner20 | yea, i would leave an open port if i could seperate it |
| 19:55.53 | sunrunner20 | i'm security paranoid |
| 19:56.08 | landley | I ssh tunnel to get/send email and such. |
| 19:56.21 | sunrunner20 | theres more issues than that |
| 19:56.25 | landley | I just assume that the wireless traffic's being snooped no matter what I do to the access point, so securing that's a side issue. |
| 19:56.50 | landley | which issues do you refer to? |
| 19:57.21 | sunrunner20 | people trying to hack your pc and such |
| 19:57.42 | sunrunner20 | people monitoring your traffic in general |
| 19:58.48 | landley | They can monitor your traffic anyway, and we no longer own a windows machine. |
| 19:58.59 | landley | Fade got rid of hers. (Switched to macs in 2006.) |
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| 20:00.02 | sunrunner20 | do not assume |
| 20:00.17 | sunrunner20 | that != windows == secure |
| 20:00.22 | CP|home | ds2: these USB keys we got at the LPC are trippy - its like a disco |
| 20:00.47 | RobotGuy | How was the LPC? |
| 20:00.57 | CP|home | educational |
| 20:00.58 | sunrunner20 | i've hacked into linux boxes just as fast as windows boxes before :0 |
| 20:00.59 | sunrunner20 | err |
| 20:01.00 | sunrunner20 | :) |
| 20:01.42 | RobotGuy | Security is the system owner's responsibility. |
| 20:01.49 | landley | sunrunner20: I'm aware of that. I've secured Linux machines before. |
| 20:02.16 | landley | However, most of the people attacking stuff on UT are going after windows machines. |
| 20:02.22 | RobotGuy | Does Windows Vista play well in a dual boot setup with Linux? |
| 20:02.32 | landley | There are now more macs than PCs around the campus, but the pcs are trivial to crack, so... |
| 20:02.42 | landley | RobotGuy: Vista doesn't play well dual booting with _itself_. |
| 20:02.42 | RobotGuy | landley: Hi |
| 20:03.04 | landley | Actually, Vista isn't that fond of single booting from what little I've seen. |
| 20:03.07 | RobotGuy | landley: Maybe that's why I can't get GRUB to reinstall after I installed Vista. |
| 20:03.16 | landley | But I only really get called in to help remove it, so... |
| 20:03.47 | landley | RobotGuy: it should be possible, but I'm afraid I can't help you. |
| 20:04.22 | landley | Any sentence containing an unironic or unquoted usage of the phrase "I installed Vista" moves it out of the real where I feel any urge to mitigate the damage. |
| 20:04.26 | landley | You brought this upon yourself. |
| 20:04.36 | landley | s/real/realm/ |
| 20:04.55 | landley | WHY would you install Vista? |
| 20:05.26 | RobotGuy | Unfortunately, I need Windows for certain stuff too, so I guess I am stuck in Windows for now. :( :( :( |
| 20:05.40 | landley | RobotGuy: you haven't got an XP CD? |
| 20:05.59 | mnemoc | wine isn't enough? |
| 20:06.31 | landley | Microsoft itself has given up on Vista. It's Windows Millenium second edition, they're trying to pretend it never existed, and rushing Windows 7 out as fast as they can. |
| 20:06.32 | landley | http://blogs.zdnet.com/BTL/?p=10733 |
| 20:06.35 | RobotGuy | landley: I can't find my XP cd. :( |
| 20:06.56 | RobotGuy | mnemoc: I don't mess with emulators - I run stuff under its native OS. |
| 20:07.26 | landley | RobotGuy: Wine isn't an emulator, it's an API translation layer. |
| 20:07.29 | landley | There's a difference. :) |
| 20:07.45 | landley | And Wine's actually fairly reasonable now. This came as a surprise to me, by the way... |
| 20:07.47 | RobotGuy | landley: It's still a layer I really don't want to mess with. |
| 20:07.55 | landley | The 1.0 release in Ubuntu 8.04 actually _worked_ with the stuff I tried it with. |
| 20:07.58 | landley | Out of the box, even. |
| 20:08.37 | mnemoc | so out of the box that one even gets the virus installed and running :D |
| 20:09.13 | landley | mnemoc: haven't tried it on viruses yet. |
| 20:09.39 | landley | Haven't even tried it on World of Warcraft yet, but that's a todo item... |
| 20:10.43 | CP|home | Wine is indeed getting better all the time |
| 20:11.16 | mnemoc | I sort of fear binfmt_misc |
| 20:11.28 | landley | CP|home which is a refreshing change from the first decade of wine development. |
| 20:11.42 | landley | mnemoc: I haven't set up binfmt_misc. Ubuntu might have. |
| 20:13.23 | mnemoc | landley: ubuntu comes with it enabled by default |
| 20:13.47 | MothaWork | landley: games often have issues due to the copy protection |
| 20:14.01 | MothaWork | which is pretty much all Cedega messes with these days |
| 20:14.13 | landley | MothaWork: yup. |
| 20:14.17 | mnemoc | cracking on the fly? |
| 20:14.21 | landley | I downloaded Crossover when it was free. |
| 20:14.27 | landley | Haven't actually tried it yet, though. |
| 20:14.48 | MothaWork | mnemoc: they just special case every game they support to emulate the copy protection |
| 20:15.06 | landley | Considering that most statistics I've seen show that around half of _windows_ users run the cracked version of games... |
| 20:16.16 | MothaWork | I gave up when I had a game whose copy protection physically broke one of my CD-ROM drives |
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| 20:22.39 | RobotGuy | returns |
| 20:23.09 | CP|home | brb |
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| 21:10.44 | sorphin | agaffney: not unloading the house... living in the house |
| 21:10.56 | sorphin | kergoth: hi chris |
| 21:12.05 | agaffney | sorphin: good luck with that :P |
| 21:13.46 | sorphin | eh? |
| 21:13.52 | sorphin | what do you mean? |
| 21:19.29 | kergoth | sorphin: sorry to hear about the divorce, hows life otherwise? |
| 21:21.17 | CP|home | how was the play Mrs. Lincoln? |
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| 21:50.23 | prpplague | sorphin: funny you should show up, someone asked about you the other day |
| 21:52.05 | CP|home | I think it was kergoth ... :) |
| 21:55.50 | prpplague | CP|home: you not going to use cosmicpenguin anymore ? |
| 21:57.17 | chouimat|work | prpplague give hime some times ... not everybody know yet :) |
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| 22:14.07 | CosmicPenguin | wan't even paying attention |
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| 22:32.32 | kergoth | heh |
| 22:32.50 | sorphin | kergoth: meh.. it's life.. |
| 22:32.56 | sorphin | got a different car again |
| 22:33.02 | kergoth | heh, what now? |
| 22:33.02 | sorphin | 08 Infiniti G37S |
| 22:33.06 | kergoth | ah, nice |
| 22:33.10 | sorphin | ;-) |
| 22:33.31 | kergoth | is finally no longer upside down on the crossfire loan, so he can sell the thing and get something a tad more practical... go go back seat |
| 22:33.39 | sorphin | lol |
| 22:33.51 | sorphin | unless i need to move |
| 22:33.54 | sorphin | i still dont' need practical |
| 22:34.09 | prpplague | i was soooo happen when i got rid of that darn tiberon |
| 22:34.15 | kergoth | getting a tad more frugal, also, would rather put this money into an IRA |
| 22:34.16 | kergoth | heh |
| 22:34.22 | sorphin | kergoth: this is a lease |
| 22:34.27 | kergoth | ah |
| 22:34.38 | sorphin | take off the monthly sales tax |
| 22:34.39 | sorphin | and |
| 22:34.40 | MonMotha | <3 BMW 3 series |
| 22:34.44 | sorphin | the payment is LESS than the Z was |
| 22:34.49 | sorphin | and it's a more expensive car |
| 22:34.52 | sorphin | lol |
| 22:34.58 | sorphin | even the insurance went down |
| 22:35.03 | MonMotha | they're both fun and practical at the same time! |
| 22:35.11 | sorphin | blech |
| 22:35.13 | sorphin | bimmers |
| 22:35.25 | prpplague | has a chevy hhr |
| 22:35.36 | sorphin | Chevy... sinks like a rock ;) |
| 22:35.39 | MonMotha | prpplague: HHR? What's that stand for? Homo...Homo...Really Homo? |
| 22:35.44 | sorphin | LOL |
| 22:35.46 | ds2 | hehe |
| 22:35.54 | prpplague | MonMotha: don't like the HHR? |
| 22:35.57 | MonMotha | (A friend of mine would be laughing his ass off about now...) |
| 22:36.01 | sorphin | stufs ds2 inside a can |
| 22:36.08 | sorphin | +f |
| 22:36.25 | ds2 | sorphin: do I know you from elsewhere? |
| 22:36.25 | MonMotha | prpplague: no, a friend of mine had a friend who ended up with a HHR as a rental on a trip, and somebody in the group made that comment upon seeing it |
| 22:36.34 | prpplague | ahh |
| 22:36.35 | sorphin | ds2: nope.. just greeting ;) lol |
| 22:36.46 | prpplague | MonMotha: i've been very very very happy with mine |
| 22:36.49 | ds2 | sorphin: have to check... it is IRC and... |
| 22:36.54 | sorphin | indeed |
| 22:37.07 | prpplague | MonMotha: i can honestly say it is the best car i've ever owned |
| 22:37.12 | sorphin | um |
| 22:37.18 | sorphin | that's not saying much there dave :) |
| 22:37.28 | sorphin | esp coming from that tiburon |
| 22:37.30 | sorphin | :) |
| 22:37.33 | ds2 | prpplague: do you have the deathstar option shoved down your throat? |
| 22:37.45 | prpplague | ds2: not on the HHR |
| 22:38.00 | sorphin | ds2: oooh ooh... please unlock my car doors for me.. i'm too stupid to unlock them myself ;) |
| 22:38.13 | prpplague | sorphin: the tiburon wasn't my purchase, and i've owned alot of different cars |
| 22:38.27 | ds2 | including a Yugo? |
| 22:38.30 | sorphin | "Onstar reports you hit a tree. We're sending help... next time, just hit the stupid squirrel" |
| 22:39.05 | ds2 | that'd be an armidillo ;) |
| 22:39.15 | sorphin | ds2: only in TX |
| 22:39.22 | CosmicPenguin | yeah, a squirrel couldn't survive in texas |
| 22:39.25 | CosmicPenguin | they need you know - trees |
| 22:39.33 | sorphin | I dont' think they have squirrels in TX |
| 22:39.40 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: hey penguin |
| 22:39.43 | CosmicPenguin | hiyah |
| 22:39.54 | sorphin | hows things in the house of crouse? |
| 22:40.05 | CosmicPenguin | could be better - but I shouldn't complain |
| 22:40.16 | sorphin | yeah, complaining will put you where i am |
| 22:40.17 | sorphin | heh |
| 22:40.47 | ds2 | pictures a penguin dressed in full klingon battle gear |
| 22:40.49 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: you still AMD'ing? |
| 22:40.49 | kergoth | sorphin: the chevy volt looks promising, will be interesting to see if it really drums up any enthusiasm to dig GM out of the hole they're in |
| 22:41.09 | sorphin | kergoth: heh, i'd happily shovel the dirt :) |
| 22:41.28 | kergoth | it's sad how far behind they've gotten, they don't innovate anymore |
| 22:41.37 | sorphin | kergoth: kinda like M$ |
| 22:41.38 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: nope, they got rid of me |
| 22:41.41 | sorphin | doh |
| 22:41.48 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: that sucks.. |
| 22:42.14 | CosmicPenguin | these things happen |
| 22:42.14 | ds2 | CosmicPenguin: does this mean there is a possibility of XO2 being ARM based? |
| 22:42.26 | sorphin | anyone went to see Journey to the center of the earth or quarantine |
| 22:42.39 | CosmicPenguin | If there is an XO2, it will likely be ARM based |
| 22:42.48 | CosmicPenguin | Thats my opinion |
| 22:43.04 | ds2 | they got the right people there to drive it in that direction |
| 22:43.24 | CosmicPenguin | I think the G1G1 this season has to be really, really successful |
| 22:43.28 | prpplague | sorphin: hehe, of course we have squirells |
| 22:43.38 | prpplague | ds2: no, never owned a yugo, but driven one |
| 22:43.47 | ds2 | CosmicPenguin: how's the market out in CO? |
| 22:43.56 | CosmicPenguin | really good |
| 22:44.12 | ds2 | so things aren't looking too down |
| 22:44.15 | CosmicPenguin | not at all |
| 22:44.30 | prpplague | kergoth: yea alot of the Volt technology was developed and tested for the Chevy HHR and Cevy Aveo |
| 22:44.30 | ds2 | good |
| 22:44.45 | prpplague | kergoth: i.e. electric power steering and electric power breaks |
| 22:46.14 | prpplague | kergoth: alot of the EV hobbists are buying the power steering and break stuff from the HHR to intergrate into other vehicles |
| 22:47.58 | chouimat|work | sorphin: a friend of mine saw Quarantine and she liked the movie |
| 22:48.57 | ds2 | are there any alternate energy channels on freenode? |
| 22:49.53 | prpplague | ds2: hehe all the "free energy" channels are on fnet, hehe |
| 22:50.21 | ds2 | oh |
| 22:50.34 | prpplague | jokes with ds2 |
| 22:50.39 | ds2 | =) |
| 22:51.50 | prpplague | ho ho hum |
| 22:52.21 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: not looking forward to going to this device driver seminar |
| 22:52.33 | CosmicPenguin | First I've heard of it |
| 22:52.36 | CosmicPenguin | :w |
| 22:52.51 | ds2 | it nice not to be scrambling to get projects finish but OTH, the lack of intersting project is irritatingly boring :/ |
| 22:53.34 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: *cough* the wince device driver school i was telling you about |
| 22:53.48 | CosmicPenguin | oh - that |
| 22:54.24 | CosmicPenguin | yeah, thats less likely to be fun |
| 22:54.48 | prpplague | ds2: yea, i just need to figure out a reliable way to get user land builds for OE and gentoo when we do new handhelds |
| 22:55.00 | prpplague | ds2: thats something i'm just not interested in doing |
| 22:55.12 | ds2 | prpplague: walk in there and insist you are there to learn so you can start the WINE/CE project ;) |
| 22:55.32 | ds2 | prpplague: why OE? insist on Gentoo and be done with ;) |
| 22:55.57 | sorphin | gets a Hammer board and a Nail board and secures prpplague to his desk |
| 22:56.03 | prpplague | ds2: yea for the wince class, it won't be too bad, just means more responsibility |
| 22:56.06 | CosmicPenguin | be done with what? Getting things working? |
| 22:56.28 | prpplague | ds2: as far as different builds, we are already getting all kinds of requests |
| 22:56.39 | prpplague | ds2: angstrom, familiar, gentoo, redhat, suse |
| 22:56.55 | sorphin | has an ARM device he uses every day |
| 22:56.55 | ds2 | prpplague: you need more intelligent customers! |
| 22:56.58 | CosmicPenguin | suse..... |
| 22:57.02 | CosmicPenguin | I am amused |
| 22:57.13 | sorphin | which is scary |
| 22:57.17 | prpplague | ds2: yea well, that is easier said than done |
| 22:57.32 | prpplague | ds2: it is a crazy market area |
| 22:57.49 | ds2 | prpplague: *nod* one can wish |
| 22:57.58 | prpplague | indeed |
| 22:58.10 | sorphin | wishes he had prpplague' |
| 22:58.16 | sorphin | s ARM brain for it though |
| 22:58.32 | prpplague | we have 3 new projects in the works, the big issue is getting the userland stuff |
| 22:58.49 | prpplague | sorphin: what arm device are you using? |
| 22:58.59 | sorphin | prpplague: my iPhone 3G |
| 22:59.06 | prpplague | ahh |
| 22:59.19 | sorphin | they actually underclocked it |
| 22:59.19 | ds2 | speaking of ARM, has anyone gotten any form of Linux working on the original Newton? |
| 22:59.51 | prpplague | ds2: yea, it is supported |
| 23:00.04 | prpplague | ds2: about 90% of the support is in the main tree |
| 23:00.09 | ds2 | it is?! got link handy? |
| 23:00.12 | sorphin | hehe |
| 23:00.25 | ds2 | I can finally do something with that ''brick'' |
| 23:00.40 | ds2 | it is got to be like ARMv3 or v2 ISA |
| 23:00.56 | sorphin | guy here at work has an original newton |
| 23:00.58 | prpplague | not for a howto or such, i've just studied a bunch of the drivers as they do some unique stuff similar to what we need |
| 23:03.29 | prpplague | heads home |
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| 23:04.18 | landley | ds2: armv3 I might be able to crank out a toolchain for. (I just haven't tried yet.) |
| 23:04.30 | landley | armv2 starts to get weird. That's like 286-land over on the x86. |
| 23:05.56 | ds2 | landley: uClinux works on 286... (unless ELKS has forked off) |
| 23:06.31 | landley | ds2: elks is an interesting historical footnote, but that's about it. |
| 23:06.48 | chouimat|work | v2 is it the 26bit ones? |
| 23:07.25 | landley | Used 386 systems are free if you don't mind fishing them out of the trash. |
| 23:07.51 | ds2 | you don't want linux on your HP200LX? :) |
| 23:07.59 | chouimat|work | yay I'm the last one at the office |
| 23:08.08 | ds2 | find me a used 386 the size of the HP200LX... |
| 23:09.45 | landley | What's the cheapest embedded 386, anyway? All the prices I find are for boards. |
| 23:09.51 | landley | (And arm is cheaper anyway...) |
| 23:10.18 | ds2 | current or including nonproduction items? |
| 23:11.01 | landley | Currently available, off ebay is fine if it's in volume and will still be available 3 months from now... |
| 23:11.27 | ds2 | okay, that sticks off the some stuff |
| 23:11.32 | landley | I also stipulate that it needs to be a device I can't lift in one hand. |
| 23:11.41 | landley | Sorry, can lift. |
| 23:11.51 | landley | Eliminate devices I can't lift in one hand, I mean. |
| 23:12.01 | ds2 | there are those Zeos systems |
| 23:12.07 | ds2 | powered by AA's |
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| 23:14.27 | landley | I keep hoping I can find a $10 computer you can run Linux on. You should be able to do a 33mhz arm, 4 megs of ram, and 2 megs of flash for that.... |
| 23:14.27 | landley | But nobody _does_... |
| 23:14.43 | landley | There are USB sticks that play mp3s for not _much_ more than that... |
| 23:15.42 | ds2 | the Zeos come close, I passed up a sale for $25 each at a local store |
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