| 00:33.30 | prpplague^2 | doh, i need to tell landley about the pixter-mm |
| 00:36.06 | g1powermac_PB | *sigh* I can't take the pain from the CO2 any longer |
| 00:40.39 | prpplague | g1powermac: heading to the ER? |
| 00:42.40 | g1powermac_PB | prpplague: not yet, but its getting really annoying |
| 00:42.55 | g1powermac_PB | even the vicodin isn't helping |
| 00:43.21 | prpplague | hands g1powermac_PB a nice porter |
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| 00:43.39 | g1powermac_PB | porter? |
| 00:44.58 | prpplague | ~lart g1powermac_PB for not knowing the types of beers |
| 00:44.58 | purl | installs PocketPC on g1powermac_PB's PDA for not knowing the types of beers |
| 00:45.16 | g1powermac_PB | haha, luckily I don't own a PDA ;-) |
| 00:45.46 | prpplague | JohnnyL: and yes i understand that the processor is just 10-12 times more expensive for radhard, but that doesn't account for all the other considerations needed to produce a radhard board |
| 00:45.50 | prpplague | ~lart g1powermac_PB for not knowing the types of beers |
| 00:45.50 | purl | plops g1powermac_PB into a giant vat of herring for not knowing the types of beers |
| 00:46.00 | prpplague | ~lart g1powermac_PB for not knowing the types of beers |
| 00:46.00 | purl | hooks into a hydrant and hoses g1powermac_PB down for not knowing the types of beers |
| 00:46.09 | g1powermac_PB | had a feeling you were talking about a type of beer, but wasn't sure |
| 00:46.44 | g1powermac_PB | I don't drink much, plus I'm a bit high on vicodin atm |
| 00:47.24 | prpplague | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Porter_(beer) |
| 00:47.54 | prpplague | g1powermac_PB: hey now, if it was bad to drink with vicodin, why would they put it on tv with characters like dr.house eh? |
| 00:48.04 | g1powermac_PB | hehe |
| 00:48.23 | g1powermac_PB | whacks prpplague with a cane ;-) |
| 00:48.33 | prpplague | but we cant have actors smoking, but its ok for them to drink heavy liquor and take vicodin |
| 00:48.48 | g1powermac_PB | yea, it is crazy |
| 00:50.03 | g1powermac_PB | once everything settles down, I got a nice bottle of hard cider in the fridge that I have been waiting to drink since the whole gallbladder thing has started |
| 00:50.27 | prpplague | ~lart g1powermac_PB for drinking wimpy brew |
| 00:50.27 | purl | breaks out the Hoover and sucks up g1powermac_PB for drinking wimpy brew |
| 00:50.40 | prpplague | g1powermac_PB: need something hardy like arrogant bastard ale |
| 00:50.48 | prpplague | g1powermac_PB: thats the way to start drinking again |
| 00:50.48 | ds2 | he needs to drive over to the stills ;) |
| 00:51.00 | g1powermac_PB | its organic hard cider, imported from england |
| 00:51.02 | prpplague | ds2: he needs to see afterwards |
| 00:51.10 | prpplague | g1powermac: strongbow? |
| 00:51.14 | ds2 | details |
| 00:51.27 | g1powermac_PB | hmm, lemme get it, don't remember the brand |
| 00:51.35 | prpplague | g1powermac_PB: my guess is strongbow |
| 00:52.19 | prpplague | ds2: that is the one thing i liked about the bay area, were the bars |
| 00:52.43 | g1powermac_PB | prpplague: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samuel_Smith_Brewery |
| 00:52.53 | ds2 | prpplague: and the breweries |
| 00:53.03 | prpplague | yep sam smith is fine stuff |
| 00:53.31 | g1powermac_PB | prpplague: I like the organic stuff |
| 00:53.52 | prpplague | has tried just about everything on the sam smiths line |
| 00:53.59 | g1powermac_PB | heh |
| 00:54.22 | prpplague | i used to keep a list, but now days i just keep a bottle |
| 00:54.31 | g1powermac_PB | hmm, the cherry fruit beer sounds tasty |
| 00:54.32 | prpplague | (empty) |
| 00:54.41 | prpplague | g1powermac_PB: eh gads |
| 00:54.53 | prpplague | g1powermac_PB: you need to try some real stuff |
| 00:55.02 | prpplague | really men don't drink fruit beers |
| 00:55.32 | g1powermac_PB | prpplague: dude, I don't follow any crowd :-) |
| 00:55.38 | prpplague | g1powermac_PB: hehe |
| 00:55.46 | prpplague | only jokes with g1powermac_PB |
| 00:56.05 | g1powermac_PB | prides himself in doing everything different than everyone else :-) |
| 00:56.12 | prpplague | g1powermac_PB: as do i |
| 00:56.21 | prpplague | which gets me into no end of trouble |
| 00:56.27 | g1powermac_PB | hehe, yup |
| 00:57.03 | wmat | is knee deep in a Guinness right now ;) |
| 00:57.08 | g1powermac_PB | heh |
| 00:58.15 | prpplague | wmat: standard draft or foreign extra? |
| 00:59.43 | wmat | prpplague: standard |
| 00:59.55 | prpplague | wmat: ahh |
| 01:00.12 | wmat | I think anyway |
| 01:00.27 | prpplague | wmat: i like making black-n-tans with the foreign extra and something like a nice island larger |
| 01:00.28 | wmat | the can had nothing about foreign extra on it |
| 01:00.35 | prpplague | wmat: then it is standard |
| 01:00.42 | prpplague | wmat: i'm surprised |
| 01:00.44 | prpplague | wmat: thought |
| 01:00.47 | prpplague | wmat: though |
| 01:01.02 | wmat | i'm not sure we even get the extra here |
| 01:01.08 | prpplague | wmat: i would have expected the Canadian folks to purchase the foreign extra |
| 01:01.18 | prpplague | wmat: well, its available in ottawa |
| 01:01.39 | prpplague | wmat: i always had a fine pint at the "Honest Lawyer" |
| 01:03.29 | prpplague | anyone besides me totally enamored with the new hbo series trueblood? |
| 01:03.44 | wmat | i've never seen it |
| 01:04.52 | prpplague | wmat: totally outside the box |
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| 01:05.18 | prpplague | wmat: interesting take on the idea about vampires |
| 01:05.59 | prpplague | wmat: it takes on the role that vampires "come out of the coffin" ala the style of homosexuals "coming out of the closet" |
| 01:06.04 | wmat | we just got HBO canada |
| 01:07.43 | wmat | prpplague: I'm the Guinness FE comes in bottles here and the standard in pint tins; so I usually pick up a 4-pack of tins |
| 01:08.09 | wmat | I'm remembering now, is what I meant to say |
| 01:11.12 | prpplague | wmat: ahh |
| 01:14.22 | ds2 | just gotthe mail |
| 01:14.24 | ds2 | bah |
| 01:18.13 | prpplague | ds2: your brain is suing you for malpractice? |
| 01:18.57 | ds2 | yes sir! |
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| 01:24.23 | prpplague | ds2: hehe i get that all the time, but i just let the lawyers handle it |
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| 01:45.20 | GPSFan | g1powermac: as cider's go, Strongbow isn't bad, I've one bottle left in the fridge. We crushed some apples this weekend and wound up with 30+gal of juice. I hope to meke some hard cider later on this fall. It's mighty tasty as is, with a little fermentation it should be outta sight... |
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| 03:24.18 | JohnnyL | Strongbow: Like shooting ducks in a barrel! |
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| 07:35.50 | rkirti | I am trying to speed up the boot process on an arm-based board running a custonm application on top of an angstrom minimal image (console only)..can anyone tell me places I should be looking at in the kernel to ensure *all* not-required services are shut off at bootup ? |
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| 10:22.57 | keesj | rkirti: try reading the elinux wiki http://elinux.org/Boot_Time . Nobody can tell you what all "not-required" services are, but in general the kernel can load "modules" or the userland(init) can start servicesss |
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| 15:32.23 | joe_bleau | Hey, someone found the console and UART pins on the Didj. |
| 16:01.57 | prpplague | joe_bleau: yea i also have a datasheet for a similiar cpu |
| 16:02.09 | prpplague | just haven't had time to update the wiki much lately |
| 16:02.59 | c-square | can somebody tell me which files I need to remove to make sure that buildroot is recompiling a package? |
| 16:03.06 | c-square | I create a transmission packages |
| 16:03.16 | c-square | and needed to modify the .mk file |
| 16:03.21 | c-square | reran make |
| 16:03.25 | c-square | nothing happens :s |
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| 16:13.28 | joe_bleau | Someone added a note. No details on the console info, but they did find the tx/rx pins on the cartridge connector. |
| 16:16.05 | joe_bleau | I wonder what cpu nintendo is using in the DSi |
| 16:16.14 | joe_bleau | Bunnie has one and put some pics up. |
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| 16:52.15 | prpplague | c-square: the time stamp files mark each of the different build sections |
| 16:52.44 | c-square | prpplague, and where do I look for it? in the package dir? |
| 16:53.29 | prpplague | c-square: in the build directory for each package there are some . files for each section |
| 16:53.36 | c-square | aha |
| 16:53.53 | c-square | so I remove . files in build_i686 for that package |
| 16:53.53 | c-square | thx |
| 16:54.47 | prpplague | c-square: not all of the . files, just the specific buildroot . files |
| 16:55.04 | c-square | .config etc? |
| 16:55.48 | prpplague | c-square: no, things like .compiled .patched .configured |
| 16:55.53 | c-square | aaah |
| 16:55.54 | c-square | ok |
| 16:55.55 | c-square | got is |
| 16:55.58 | c-square | *it |
| 16:56.24 | c-square | hail that seems to work : |
| 16:56.25 | c-square | :) |
| 16:56.26 | c-square | thx |
| 16:56.33 | c-square | prolly be back in 5 minutes with some errors :) |
| 17:09.39 | c-square | another Q: can I add CPAN.pm as a module for microperl? |
| 17:11.34 | prpplague | joe_bleau: yea, i suspect someone friendly towards linux device hacking posted it |
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| 17:18.38 | g1powermac_PB | hey prpplague |
| 17:18.52 | joe_bleau | Well, I wouldn't expect someone unfriendly towards linux device hacking to post on elinux.org, would you? |
| 17:19.40 | prpplague | joe_bleau: *cough* i meant someone who "shouldn't" be , but is |
| 17:19.52 | g1powermac_PB | prpplague: so my mom ended up going to the hospital last night, the cut never stopped bleeding, found out she sliced through an artery and needed stitches |
| 17:19.54 | joe_bleau | Say no more, message received. |
| 17:21.07 | prpplague | g1powermac_PB: yikes |
| 17:21.53 | g1powermac_PB | prpplague: and it was all from trying to cut an extremely tightly bound zip tie on some packaging |
| 17:23.00 | g1powermac_PB | I told her she |
| 17:23.08 | g1powermac_PB | should sue wal mart |
| 17:23.20 | g1powermac_PB | ;-) |
| 17:23.50 | joe_bleau | There's a plan. |
| 17:25.57 | sunrunner20 | acctually |
| 17:25.58 | sunrunner20 | it is |
| 17:26.01 | sunrunner20 | becuase |
| 17:26.08 | sunrunner20 | what you do is sue the local one and not the national chain |
| 17:26.47 | joe_bleau | Yeah, I'm sure that'll slip right by the boys at HQ. |
| 17:28.49 | sunrunner20 | also, unless your suing for some insane amount of money they'd likely settle out of court |
| 17:29.28 | joe_bleau | Until recently, WM didn't settle lawsuits. They took 'em all to court, out of principle. |
| 17:31.25 | c-square | is there somewhere I can find what moudles are used by CPAN? |
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| 17:49.30 | Kavi | hi all, tell me how to write code for embedded linux platform? |
| 17:50.16 | Kavi | i know to write C/C++ codes and i've to write code for arm based platform.... |
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| 17:55.30 | roxfan | what is the platform? |
| 17:56.00 | Kavi | roxfan: a combination of cpu n os....why? |
| 17:56.01 | c-square | can anybody tell me how I can get a full working version of perl on my buildroot build instead of microperl? |
| 17:56.32 | roxfan | if you tell what you have, it will be easier to give concrete advice |
| 17:57.13 | Kavi | roxfan: do u hav exp in kernel development? |
| 17:58.03 | roxfan | no |
| 17:58.45 | roxfan | didn't really have the need to yet |
| 18:01.02 | prpplague | Kavi: usually you find a division between userland and kernel developers |
| 18:01.10 | prpplague | Kavi: its usually one or other |
| 18:01.20 | prpplague | Kavi: what is you want to know about kernel dev |
| 18:02.03 | Kavi | prpplague: i want write my own code for new features n update with the kernel... |
| 18:02.25 | Kavi | prpplague: help if u know |
| 18:02.57 | prpplague | Kavi: get a copy of linux device drivers and read |
| 18:04.17 | Kavi | prpplague: exactly....then do u know how to invoke the features once the source is compiled and scp'ed? |
| 18:08.32 | prpplague | Kavi: invoke features? |
| 18:09.45 | Kavi | prpplague: yah,....to test the update...how to test it? |
| 18:10.19 | prpplague | Kavi: i do not understand what you are asking |
| 18:10.52 | Kavi | prpplague: how to test whether the update is running correctly....? |
| 18:11.31 | roxfan | same as usual... load the module or rebuild the kernel |
| 18:11.34 | prpplague | Kavi: are you asking how do you know if the device driver you have written works? |
| 18:11.54 | Kavi | prpplague: sure.... |
| 18:12.21 | prpplague | Kavi: only you can tell that, since we have no idea what you are writting the driver to do |
| 18:13.16 | Kavi | prpplague: ok...then how can i know the commands for the cross-compiler.?? |
| 18:13.38 | prpplague | Kavi: uh what? |
| 18:14.43 | DrZimmerman | Kavi: for what plattform do you usually write code? |
| 18:14.46 | Kavi | DrZimmerman: for arm...help pleae |
| 18:15.17 | Kavi | prpplague: yah the crosscompiler i'm using is OE....how to know the commands.... |
| 18:15.40 | Kavi | prpplague: and i want to know issues relating to cross-compiler installation |
| 18:15.50 | prpplague | Kavi: read the documentation for OE, it is detailed and explains the generation of the cross-compilier |
| 18:15.55 | DrZimmerman | Kavi: as i said in the query, you can't expect to drop into a channel and the ppl will help you like the're your employees |
| 18:16.23 | ds2 | for people doing multilingual support -- http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/wales/7702913.stm |
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| 18:16.46 | Kavi | prpplague: and i want to know issues relating to cross-compiler installation |
| 18:17.05 | prpplague | Kavi: have you tried building a cross-compiler yet? |
| 18:17.27 | Kavi | prpplague: no ... |
| 18:18.00 | prpplague | Kavi: build one first, then start working on understanding it |
| 18:18.14 | prpplague | ds2: cute |
| 18:18.35 | Kavi | prpplague: very thanks man....u deserve my gratitude |
| 18:18.53 | prpplague | or a beer |
| 18:19.18 | chouimat|away | hehe |
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| 18:26.05 | c-square | can anybody tell me how I can get a full working version of perl on my buildroot build instead of microperl , anyone? |
| 18:26.48 | mnemoc | c-square: dreaming awake? :) |
| 18:27.06 | c-square | probably working my 27th hour :) |
| 18:27.20 | c-square | when I browse in SVN |
| 18:27.25 | c-square | I always have microperl |
| 18:27.32 | c-square | even if I go back down to version 1000 |
| 18:27.46 | mnemoc | perl is "not" cross-compilable |
| 18:27.52 | c-square | ist not cross |
| 18:27.57 | c-square | I'm on x86 |
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| 18:28.27 | mnemoc | cross compilation is not only about the arch, also about the libc |
| 18:28.48 | c-square | ouch |
| 18:28.55 | c-square | ok, learnt something today |
| 18:29.15 | c-square | well, mnemoc can you tell me how to get CPAN on the buildroot? |
| 18:29.25 | c-square | as adding module CPAN.pm only makes the CPAN module |
| 18:29.32 | c-square | but not the deps |
| 18:29.45 | mnemoc | i'm not a buildroot user |
| 18:29.49 | c-square | ah ok |
| 18:30.12 | mnemoc | but perl is a nightmare independently of the tools you use to try to compile it |
| 18:30.41 | c-square | noticed :) |
| 18:30.52 | c-square | I simply need the modules which are needed by webmin |
| 18:31.29 | mnemoc | microperl doesn't have modules support |
| 18:31.34 | mnemoc | miniperl does |
| 18:31.55 | c-square | I can compile with modules in the latest buildroot |
| 18:31.56 | c-square | :s |
| 18:31.58 | c-square | confusing |
| 18:32.39 | mnemoc | kudos for buildroot then :) |
| 18:35.51 | prpplague | c-square: what is it you are trying to do? |
| 18:36.16 | c-square | I need to run webmin |
| 18:36.30 | c-square | on at max a 64 MB CF card |
| 18:37.15 | prpplague | are you hacking on some existing piece of hardware or are you doing some sort of development? |
| 18:38.07 | c-square | minipc |
| 18:38.11 | c-square | x86 based |
| 18:38.16 | c-square | has atom core in there |
| 18:38.50 | c-square | basic x86 system by I want to run the mainsystem of CF card |
| 18:38.56 | c-square | that actually already works |
| 18:39.06 | c-square | but webmin uses perl as programming language |
| 18:39.12 | c-square | microperl does not provide all the modules |
| 18:39.20 | c-square | so I need full blown perl on it |
| 18:39.36 | c-square | or a list of modules |
| 18:41.07 | c-square | or CPAN :) |
| 18:46.12 | c-square | prpplague, any suggestions? |
| 18:47.09 | prpplague | c-square: sorry, when i think embedded, perl is _not_ something that comes to mind |
| 18:47.23 | mnemoc | neither webmin :p |
| 18:47.36 | c-square | hehe :) |
| 18:47.38 | c-square | I know |
| 18:47.44 | c-square | it's just a toy for myself :) |
| 18:48.06 | c-square | I want to build my SAN on buildroot |
| 18:48.20 | c-square | so I'm kinda sticking to the general known packages :) |
| 18:48.22 | prpplague | i'd consider using some other configuration to do web admin |
| 18:48.52 | c-square | I'll check what I can find |
| 18:48.59 | c-square | as I would like Storage configuration on it |
| 18:49.19 | prpplague | c-square: one of the hardest things for people who normally do desktop/server development when they start doing embedded development is that have trouble understanding that it is a totally different mindset when it comes to packages like perl |
| 18:49.42 | c-square | I believe I am still on that road :) |
| 18:51.56 | prpplague | c-square: oh, you are in belgium! |
| 18:52.00 | c-square | yes |
| 18:52.02 | c-square | why? |
| 18:53.00 | prpplague | is a beer freak |
| 18:53.05 | c-square | aaaarggghhh |
| 18:53.06 | joe_bleau | Eddy Merckx is Belgian. |
| 18:53.14 | c-square | well I tried yesterday (being the beer freak) |
| 18:53.17 | c-square | oh no hang on |
| 18:53.21 | c-square | that was the day before |
| 18:53.23 | c-square | ;) |
| 18:53.28 | c-square | really need to get some sleep |
| 18:53.52 | prpplague | c-square: my goal before i die is to visit chimay abbey |
| 18:54.00 | c-square | been there ;) |
| 19:03.11 | prpplague | c-square: nice |
| 19:03.19 | mnemoc | the trappists in my country only do chocolates and stuff with almonds |
| 19:03.24 | c-square | serious? |
| 19:03.25 | c-square | god, |
| 19:03.34 | c-square | haven't they learned from us ;) |
| 19:03.37 | prpplague | mnemoc: which country is that? |
| 19:03.40 | mnemoc | chile |
| 19:03.47 | prpplague | mnemoc: ahh interesting |
| 19:09.05 | prpplague | c-square: i'm guessing your name is Steve, hehe |
| 19:09.40 | c-square | checking me out? ;) |
| 19:10.03 | c-square | now I do wonder how you know? |
| 19:10.05 | c-square | nickname? |
| 19:10.25 | prpplague | *cough* you just posted to the mailing list |
| 19:11.00 | c-square | looooooool |
| 19:11.02 | c-square | indeed :) |
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| 19:36.07 | keesj | what mailing list? |
| 19:41.14 | prpplague | keesj: hey bud, the busybox/buildroot list |
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| 19:41.30 | prpplague | keesj: i just posted some info to the openocd list as well |
| 19:41.36 | prpplague | keesj: re beagle jtag |
| 19:47.01 | keesj | cool. I really started hacking a jrc_icepick.h but the more I look at openocd code to less I know where to start |
| 19:48.58 | keesj | I then tried to add this tap as "target" but that really s*cked |
| 20:09.24 | keesj | ELC Europe was fun! |
| 20:15.28 | roxfan | maybe you should look less and hack more :) |
| 20:19.00 | keesj | :p that sound like good advice |
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| 20:32.04 | JohnnyL | hi |
| 20:32.38 | keesj | roxfan: but would you hack in tcl? |
| 20:32.54 | roxfan | uhhh well... |
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