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| 00:43.38 | scanlime | CosmicPenguin: hiya |
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| 08:11.17 | [AD]Turbo | yo |
| 08:18.07 | RobotGuy | oy |
| 08:18.37 | methril | yo |
| 08:18.52 | methril | Greetings! RobotGuy!! |
| 08:19.11 | RobotGuy | Alooooo, methril |
| 08:19.23 | methril | some time without seen you here |
| 08:19.28 | methril | how are you doing? |
| 08:20.30 | RobotGuy | I'm doing alright. I've been rearranging my apartment. I'm hoping to get a 24" monitor next month. |
| 08:20.56 | methril | uf!! i still work with a small monitor (15" at home) |
| 08:21.29 | RobotGuy | I'm working on a 15" monitor right now. |
| 08:22.32 | methril | well, for the PCB design you are going to work better |
| 08:22.34 | methril | :D |
| 08:25.00 | RobotGuy | I haven't tried the new v5 of Eagle yet. |
| 08:25.26 | RobotGuy | The new monitor will have to double as an HDTV for awhile also. |
| 08:37.26 | methril | it's a Dell one? |
| 08:38.38 | methril | i'm looking to bought a new one, and you could give me some advice |
| 08:39.11 | methril | I have to ask Santa Clauss |
| 08:39.15 | methril | hehehehe |
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| 08:47.36 | RobotGuy | No, I plan to get a Samsung T240HD if all goes well. :) |
| 08:55.14 | methril | looks nice |
| 08:55.20 | methril | how is WALTER? |
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| 08:59.55 | RobotGuy | I am just about to get back to working on W.A.L.T.E.R. after I have a better work area. |
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| 14:14.32 | prpplague | ho ho ho, merry freakin tuesday |
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| 14:37.06 | prpplague | ho ho hum |
| 14:51.00 | g1powermac_PB | wonders if prpplague would like to taste the 200 proof ethanol I'll be making in a couple of months as an experiment to make biodiesel with it ;-) |
| 14:52.53 | g1powermac_PB | been looking to see if it was possible to make biodiesel without using the poisonous methanol, it seems ethanol can be used instead but it has to be insanely dry |
| 14:58.57 | prpplague | naw, i much prefer beer than hard liquor |
| 15:06.05 | g1powermac_PB | aww ;-) |
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| 15:22.19 | prpplague | ho ho hum |
| 15:22.25 | prpplague | too much to do, too little time |
| 15:22.32 | prpplague | i hate being rushed to finish something |
| 15:23.59 | prpplague | as far as i am concerned there are 3 options on a project 1) cheap 2) fast 3) quality , you can pick any two, but not all three |
| 15:25.29 | g1powermac | hmm |
| 15:25.34 | g1powermac | that depends really |
| 15:26.11 | g1powermac | if you can build enough hype around a project and release it to the OSS community, you can have a done project that was cheap and in good quality |
| 15:26.22 | g1powermac | the thing is building hype without spending money |
| 15:31.14 | prpplague | g1powermac: i was refering to commercial endeavors |
| 15:35.13 | g1powermac | yea, it could be applied to commercial endeavors if said company is willing to create an OSS community around a project |
| 15:39.48 | prpplague | g1powermac: you can't count on OSS community picking up something |
| 15:40.00 | prpplague | g1powermac: not when a commercial venture is concerned |
| 15:40.54 | g1powermac | that is true, though if you know how to really hype something, you're fairly guaranteed to get an OSS community even if it isn't favorable to it |
| 15:41.10 | g1powermac | still can't believe how fast the iphone was hacked |
| 15:43.15 | prpplague | g1powermac: that still a whole different aspect, look at how much trouble the OLPC XO was |
| 15:45.35 | g1powermac | hmm |
| 15:57.27 | prpplague | g1powermac: i was very much like you in opinion about 8 years ago |
| 15:58.27 | prpplague | g1powermac: the OSS does make some very good progress and also some very nice innovation, but you can't count on the community picking up your product and running with it, there are too many cliques and factions within OSS community |
| 16:05.17 | kergoth | imo oss is still too code centric, too. too much 'show me the code', not enough welcoming people that can help in other ways. last thing you want on a commercial product is to leave gaps in things like configuration management, unit testing, performance testing, documentation, marketing.. |
| 16:05.26 | kergoth | heh |
| 16:05.50 | kergoth | </rant> |
| 16:09.19 | g1powermac | hmm |
| 16:09.46 | g1powermac | goes back to editing cheesy clip art for this here christmas commercial? |
| 16:12.03 | kergoth | huh, people still use cuecats? |
| 16:12.05 | kergoth | iinteresting |
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| 16:21.28 | prpplague | kergoth: you are all too correct, there are other aspects to producing a quality product other than just code |
| 16:39.18 | g1powermac | meh, this is one cheesy commercial |
| 16:39.29 | CosmicPenguin | mmm.... paramsan |
| 16:39.33 | CosmicPenguin | parmesan |
| 16:39.39 | CosmicPenguin | mmmm...ispell |
| 16:56.23 | chouimat|work | ARRRGGGG!!! |
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| 17:33.55 | prpplague | ho ho hum |
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| 18:23.29 | prpplague | T0mW: hey bud |
| 18:23.33 | prpplague | T0mW: how goes ti? |
| 18:23.34 | prpplague | it? |
| 18:25.27 | T0mW | prpplague: very very slowly this "morning". Friend had the pump in his well die yesterday ... 500ft down. |
| 18:25.41 | kergoth__ | ouch |
| 18:25.57 | prpplague | doh |
| 18:26.01 | T0mW | heh, I got my weekly ration of exercise! |
| 18:26.38 | T0mW | prpplague: other than that, things are going well. How about you? |
| 18:26.48 | CosmicPenguin | "The major difference betwen a thing that might go wrong and a thing that cannot possibly go wrong is that when a thing that cannot possibly go wrong goes wrong it usually turns out to be impossible to get at or repair" |
| 18:26.53 | CosmicPenguin | Douglas Adams |
| 18:27.34 | T0mW | CosmicPenguin: heh. Yeah, we pulled the pump out, put it back into the ground and it didn't work.. |
| 18:28.01 | T0mW | turned out that my carpenter friend didn't twist the wires when he installed the wirenuts. |
| 18:28.29 | T0mW | I did insist that he solder the connections to the pump, not just use the wirecrimps. |
| 18:29.02 | T0mW | I'm happy that I could help a friend out. |
| 18:29.50 | T0mW | prpplague: since I bought this house, I've lost 3" around the waist. Got my old size 40 jeans out the other day and they fit fine! |
| 18:33.10 | prpplague | T0mW: hehe |
| 18:33.39 | T0mW | prpplague: I updated the house website to put the photos of the workshop in there. |
| 18:34.00 | T0mW | now has no kitchen |
| 18:36.43 | T0mW | I would warn anyone thinking of upgrading to firefox 2.0.0.18 not to. I upgraded and have been having password problems. |
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| 18:55.09 | prpplague | there is a sucker born everyday - http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,453125,00.html |
| 19:03.51 | T0mW | yeah, and since Microsoft runs (read "owns") the Internet, she was so sure that no one could possibly send bad email. |
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| 19:08.01 | chouimat|work | prpplague and t hey let her votes :( |
| 19:08.03 | chouimat|work | so sad |
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| 19:25.43 | ds2 | sounds like basis of a fraud lawsuit against them ;) |
| 19:26.15 | ds2 | all elements of fraud are present... there is intent and a real deception |
| 19:37.12 | MothaWork | anybody in here by chance done rails stuff? |
| 19:37.23 | MothaWork | normally I'd just ask the question, but this I think is sufficiently off topic :) |
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| 20:40.47 | eFfeM | anyone knows this chip: http://www.sunplusmm.com/products/dsc/spmp.asp ? It has an arm core and is used in mp4 players (found a $44 one with this). Seems like a nice chip to hack! |
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| 21:25.50 | prpplague | wow nice processor, arm926ej |
| 21:25.55 | RobotGuy | Buildroot question: When I try to do "make menuconfig", I am getting errors that have to do with lxdialog. What am I missing? I need to add this to the Wiki also, in case others have this problem. |
| 21:29.37 | agaffney | RobotGuy: can you be more specific than "errors"? |
| 21:29.48 | agaffney | my first guess would be missing ncurses dev files |
| 21:30.25 | prpplague | RobotGuy: or possibly you previously ran make menuconfig as root, and are now doing it as a non-privelaged user |
| 21:30.56 | RobotGuy | lxdialog/dialog.h:97: error: expected specifier-qualifier-list before âchtypeâ |
| 21:31.10 | prpplague | RobotGuy: you need the stuff before and after |
| 21:31.20 | prpplague | RobotGuy: so we can see the context of the issue |
| 21:31.23 | agaffney | and please pastebin :P |
| 21:31.28 | RobotGuy | No, only as non-priv. I remember there was something else. Curses related with repspect to Ubuntu/Kubuntu. |
| 21:31.39 | mnemoc | it smells to missing ncurses |
| 21:32.41 | mnemoc | RobotGuy: the -dev package as agaffney told you |
| 21:32.47 | RobotGuy | Sorry, unwell today and was not thinking about pastebin.http://www.pastebin.ca/1260780 |
| 21:33.21 | mnemoc | RobotGuy: lxdialog/dialog.h:32:20: error: curses.h: No such file or directory <---- this is the line that matters |
| 21:33.30 | RobotGuy | I think it has to do with a missing symlink, but can't remember what I need. |
| 21:35.38 | mnemoc | RobotGuy: libncurses5-dev installed? |
| 21:35.53 | RobotGuy | mnemoc: Not sure, checking now. |
| 21:36.05 | agaffney | I win! |
| 21:36.21 | agaffney | :P |
| 21:36.37 | RobotGuy | It's installed. I have to symlink something but can't remember what. |
| 21:36.47 | mnemoc | agaffney: there aren't many things that make `make menuconfig` fail there :p |
| 21:37.22 | RobotGuy | I remember this problem from before, but can't remember the solution. This time, it goes onto the Wiki. :) |
| 21:37.29 | mnemoc | $ dpkg -L libncurses5-dev | grep curses.h |
| 21:37.29 | mnemoc | /usr/include/curses.h |
| 21:37.30 | mnemoc | /usr/include/ncurses.h |
| 21:38.02 | agaffney | heh |
| 21:39.08 | RobotGuy | I didn't have the -dev package installed. Fixed now, thanks. Now my screen is too small to run make menuconfig. :( |
| 21:39.49 | agaffney | o_O |
| 21:39.54 | agaffney | it's smaller than 80x24? |
| 21:44.03 | RobotGuy | No wonder - I'm set to 800x600. Fixing that now. |
| 21:45.13 | CosmicPenguin | 800 by 600 characters? |
| 21:45.14 | CosmicPenguin | really? |
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| 21:53.34 | RobotGuy | OK, all seems well now. I had to install bison, flex, g++, and gettext (Kubuntu). |
| 21:57.23 | RobotGuy | This is for Kubuntu 8.10 |
| 22:01.50 | CosmicPenguin | The build utilities aren |
| 22:01.56 | RobotGuy | OK, part of the Wiki is updated now. |
| 22:01.59 | CosmicPenguin | are not installed by "default" in any of the Ubuntu desktops |
| 22:02.46 | RobotGuy | CosmicPenguin: Yeah, I know. It's just been awhile since I dealt with Buildroot. I've rethought some of the stuff about W.A.L.T.E.R. and am going to try things a little different. |
| 22:03.11 | RobotGuy | I need at least Python 2.5 though. |
| 22:04.21 | RobotGuy | Python 2.5 has the sqlite database stuff integrated into it. |
| 22:08.31 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Are you going to release a new buildroot with all the stuff I found fixed? |
| 22:09.13 | prpplague | RobotGuy: have no plans to do so since hammer is pretty much dead |
| 22:09.46 | RobotGuy | That is really going to make things difficult for those who still have Hammers. |
| 22:10.02 | davidc__ | prpplague - why did hammer die? |
| 22:10.47 | RobotGuy | Now I wish I had posted all my bugfixes on the Wiki. |
| 22:11.57 | RobotGuy | sighs |
| 22:12.47 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Do you at least have a list of all the problems I found and we fixed, with the solutions? |
| 22:15.54 | prpplague | RobotGuy: yea, seems like i have a list somewhere |
| 22:16.00 | prpplague | davidc__: just no demand |
| 22:16.11 | RobotGuy | prpplague: I'd like to get that list if possible. |
| 22:16.13 | davidc__ | prpplague - did you talk to SFE about distribution? |
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| 22:16.24 | davidc__ | prpplague - we never recieved a unit to eval while I was there |
| 22:16.39 | prpplague | davidc__: people either want something cheap like the adruino, or must more powerful such as a beagle |
| 22:17.02 | prpplague | davidc__: yea, mr.herod did, but i don't think they ever came to terms on the wholesale costs |
| 22:17.24 | RobotGuy | I'm looking at Beagle, but am still a bit in the dark as to exactly how to develop for it. |
| 22:17.26 | prpplague | RobotGuy: when i have time i will look for it |
| 22:17.36 | prpplague | RobotGuy: no different than the hammer |
| 22:18.00 | RobotGuy | prpplague: OK. You can e-mail to linux_guy@yahoo.com. My main e-mail is not working at present. |
| 22:18.08 | prpplague | davidc__: yea i think you were already gone when we sent the unit |
| 22:18.13 | prpplague | RobotGuy: ok |
| 22:18.24 | ds2 | it is fast enough you can develop on it |
| 22:18.39 | RobotGuy | Ooops, correction: linuxguy_pdx@yahoo.com |
| 22:19.57 | RobotGuy | I'm going to have to look seriously at Beagle then. It has the power and the RAM/Flash I want. Oh boy, another learning curve to go through. |
| 22:20.20 | prpplague | davidc__: several things didn't work well for the hammer,1) it needed suspend/resume capabilities, 2) needed 5v tolerant i/o 3) needed better lcd support 4) needed battery operations |
| 22:21.00 | davidc__ | prpplague: ah. Too bad then. Did you at least manage to move your existing stock so you didn't take too huge a loss? |
| 22:21.28 | ds2 | (1) + (4) are the killer for me, IMO |
| 22:21.35 | prpplague | davidc__: mr.herod is still moving them, just pretty slowly, he's moved on to doing other items to sell such as beagle board accessories |
| 22:22.37 | prpplague | davidc__: they sell alot better than the hammer stuff |
| 22:23.04 | prpplague | davidc__: alot of the beagle people purchase flyswatter plus the beagle board accessories |
| 22:23.18 | davidc__ | prpplague: ah. Well, good luck with all that stuff then. It seemed like a slick board when I had a chance to look at it |
| 22:23.20 | prpplague | davidc__: he's got a expansion board for the beagle in the final phases now |
| 22:23.41 | prpplague | davidc__: well, more so good luck for mr.herod |
| 22:23.56 | prpplague | davidc__: i was never an employee of tincantools, just an advocate |
| 22:24.06 | davidc__ | prpplague: ah. I thought you designed the hammer... |
| 22:24.14 | prpplague | davidc__: i did |
| 22:24.43 | prpplague | davidc__: as a prototype device for AML, my employeer |
| 22:24.55 | davidc__ | ah |
| 22:25.03 | prpplague | davidc__: tincantools is owned by the person as AML |
| 22:25.08 | davidc__ | ahhh |
| 22:29.12 | prpplague | http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.9504 |
| 22:29.14 | prpplague | interesting |
| 22:29.43 | prpplague | thats one of the sunplus smp3050a devices |
| 22:29.56 | prpplague | should be able to put linux on that easy if you can get a cpu datatsheet |
| 22:30.17 | ds2 | sunplus has arms now? |
| 22:30.56 | prpplague | ds2: yea seems so, arm926ej |
| 22:35.08 | prpplague | the didj would make a pretty darn good pmp |
| 22:37.53 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Have you done anything more with the Didj? |
| 22:38.11 | prpplague | nope |
| 22:38.15 | prpplague | have no time |
| 23:06.08 | chouimat|work | just closed 25 tasks by recompiling 3 differents kernels ... great productivity |
| 23:59.52 | ds2 | anyone know if there has been any changes to the SMP scheduler in the 2.6 series to require explicit calls so threads of a process will get scheduled onto different CPUs? |