| 00:58.00 | sunrunner20 | ds2: their results are low because they are foced to teach people who don't want to be taught |
| 00:58.05 | sunrunner20 | *forced |
| 00:58.26 | sunrunner20 | with only the occational student having the will/want to learn |
| 00:59.36 | ds2 | if that is the case, acknowledge it and move it. quite throwing money after them |
| 01:02.03 | sunrunner20 | uforurnatly the USA refusese to do such |
| 01:02.05 | sunrunner20 | oh |
| 01:02.51 | sunrunner20 | and if you lack the will want in a subject at least the acklowledgment that it needs to be leared to you go out of your way to learn it anyway (bleh, english papers) |
| 01:03.42 | g1powermac_PB | getting people to want to learn is the key |
| 01:04.04 | sunrunner20 | send them to africa for a week |
| 01:04.19 | g1powermac_PB | alot of people just let other people take care of things for them |
| 01:04.24 | g1powermac_PB | I see it with my parents |
| 01:04.45 | sunrunner20 | I do that whenever it benifits me :) |
| 01:04.55 | g1powermac_PB | my dad especially is extremely unwilling to learn new things and try things he has never done before |
| 01:05.10 | sunrunner20 | if it doesn't, i'll jump in |
| 01:05.40 | g1powermac_PB | yea, if you like to try things that are way above you're head, you're set |
| 01:05.48 | sunrunner20 | lol |
| 01:05.55 | sunrunner20 | yea |
| 01:06.01 | g1powermac_PB | and thats something I've been doing all my life |
| 01:06.08 | sunrunner20 | i tend to do that |
| 01:06.27 | sunrunner20 | which is why i'm so good in the chem _lab_ but not so great in the chem books |
| 01:06.39 | sunrunner20 | I can teach the lab section :) |
| 01:06.58 | g1powermac_PB | I learned all my electronics stuff myself |
| 01:07.25 | g1powermac_PB | albeit, being a CS major helped, but there was no HW stuff taught in the curriculum |
| 01:08.11 | sunrunner20 | lol |
| 01:08.21 | sunrunner20 | I think my CS class TA hates my |
| 01:08.23 | sunrunner20 | *me |
| 01:08.44 | g1powermac_PB | I'm also self taught in video editing, carpentry, house electrical stuff, finish carpentry, landscaping, gardening, and so on |
| 01:09.00 | sunrunner20 | because I use elegant solutions that haven't been taught yet |
| 01:09.06 | g1powermac_PB | I'm also in the process of teaching myself metal fabrication |
| 01:09.17 | sunrunner20 | eg regular expressions, recusion etc |
| 01:09.24 | RobotGuy | g1powermac_PB: Greetings |
| 01:09.29 | sunrunner20 | i've been using recusion since day one of class |
| 01:09.38 | sunrunner20 | it was the last thing taught this semester :) |
| 01:09.38 | g1powermac_PB | sunrunner20: hehe, you should have seen what I did in my compiler class |
| 01:09.55 | g1powermac_PB | sunrunner20: we had to write a compiler for a language that my professor came up with |
| 01:09.57 | sunrunner20 | g1powermac: you know what I'm talking about when I say esheep? |
| 01:10.16 | g1powermac_PB | sunrunner20: not only did I finish it a month ahead of schedule, i extended the language to make it more useful ;-) |
| 01:10.19 | g1powermac_PB | hey RobotGuy |
| 01:10.21 | sunrunner20 | lol |
| 01:10.31 | sunrunner20 | mm |
| 01:10.34 | sunrunner20 | metal fab :) |
| 01:10.41 | sunrunner20 | I'm a mech eng. major ^_^ |
| 01:10.46 | g1powermac_PB | ahh, cool |
| 01:10.53 | g1powermac_PB | mech stuff is awesome too |
| 01:10.56 | sunrunner20 | i'm hoping to have access to a machine shop soon |
| 01:11.02 | g1powermac_PB | heck, almost any engineering is awesome ;-) |
| 01:11.04 | sunrunner20 | schools building one |
| 01:11.17 | sunrunner20 | just for us ^_^ |
| 01:11.22 | g1powermac_PB | nice |
| 01:11.42 | ds2 | Mmmmmm machine shop |
| 01:11.42 | g1powermac_PB | I'm looking at buying a MIG welder |
| 01:11.49 | sunrunner20 | get my shop certs before I'm out of college (maby on school's dime :P) |
| 01:11.57 | g1powermac_PB | and a metal lathe later |
| 01:12.04 | ds2 | i wouldn't mind spending a year or two doing one offs in a shop |
| 01:12.07 | RobotGuy | is repurposing his Hammer Boards. |
| 01:12.30 | ds2 | sunrunner20: what shop certs do you have? |
| 01:12.40 | g1powermac_PB | right now I got a fairly large lot of wood working tools as thats what I've been using for most of my life |
| 01:12.48 | sunrunner20 | nothing atm, but I'm reading up during christmas break |
| 01:12.56 | g1powermac_PB | but I always wanted to work with metals |
| 01:13.22 | ds2 | metal is more fun |
| 01:13.23 | sunrunner20 | I know their pricy >_< |
| 01:13.30 | g1powermac_PB | ds2: yea |
| 01:13.37 | g1powermac_PB | ds2: especially aluminum :-) |
| 01:13.51 | ds2 | eh? metal is cheaper then wood |
| 01:14.09 | g1powermac_PB | I've built a few things with aluminum pieces, so nice to work with |
| 01:14.23 | sunrunner20 | I've always been interested in ancient weapons so I'm hoping to find somebody that can train me in them. Then we can spar |
| 01:14.24 | ds2 | steel is nicer to work with |
| 01:14.39 | ds2 | aluminum gets stringy |
| 01:14.49 | g1powermac_PB | ds2: meh, I have yet to like steel |
| 01:15.21 | ds2 | g1powermac_PB: what alloys have you tried? |
| 01:15.24 | RobotGuy | I need to figure out why X won't run under my Gentoo setup anymore. |
| 01:15.26 | g1powermac_PB | though most of the steel I've worked with has been hardened galvanized steel that is a real pain to work with |
| 01:15.32 | ds2 | ah |
| 01:15.35 | sunrunner20 | ugh |
| 01:15.37 | sunrunner20 | yea |
| 01:15.40 | sunrunner20 | thats a PITA |
| 01:15.41 | sunrunner20 | lol |
| 01:15.42 | ds2 | good machining steel is nice...12L14's |
| 01:15.52 | ds2 | chips break |
| 01:16.39 | g1powermac_PB | hates drilling through the galvanized stuff, its a drill bit destroyer |
| 01:17.07 | sunrunner20 | I have TiO(x) coated bits whichs help) |
| 01:17.16 | g1powermac_PB | same here |
| 01:17.17 | sunrunner20 | ... |
| 01:17.19 | sunrunner20 | a little |
| 01:17.23 | sunrunner20 | not much lol |
| 01:17.32 | ds2 | run the drill slower |
| 01:17.41 | ds2 | and use lube |
| 01:17.48 | g1powermac_PB | ds2: I'm using a drill press set to drill steel |
| 01:17.51 | sunrunner20 | yea, I have a press and run it as slow as it goes always |
| 01:17.57 | g1powermac_PB | yea, problem is the lube |
| 01:18.19 | g1powermac_PB | I need to use some next time |
| 01:18.27 | ds2 | unless you got a metal DP, wood DP's turn too fast for steel |
| 01:18.28 | sunrunner20 | I haven't found a good around the house substitute for the real thing |
| 01:18.53 | ds2 | lard works for steel I think |
| 01:18.58 | g1powermac_PB | ds2: supposedly it has a setting to drill steel |
| 01:19.25 | sunrunner20 | mine goes down to something like 620rpm |
| 01:19.37 | ds2 | g1powermac_PB: 250/(DIA of Drill bit) is the speed you should not go faster then |
| 01:19.45 | g1powermac_PB | I forget what the rpm is, but it does go pretty slow |
| 01:20.13 | g1powermac_PB | ds2: hehe, it doesn't allow that fine of adjustments in speed :-) |
| 01:20.18 | sunrunner20 | sd: what units :) |
| 01:20.20 | sunrunner20 | err |
| 01:20.21 | sunrunner20 | ds |
| 01:20.29 | g1powermac_PB | this press definitely wasn't an expensive unit ;-) |
| 01:20.33 | ds2 | g1powermac_PB: then go slower then that calculated one |
| 01:20.59 | g1powermac_PB | its already set at the slowest rpm, I think |
| 01:21.31 | ds2 | sunrunner20: RPM |
| 01:21.36 | g1powermac_PB | I need to check next time |
| 01:21.41 | sunrunner20 | diamater units :0 |
| 01:22.08 | ds2 | the formula is 4*CS/DIA where CS is the "cutter speed" that depends on the material...steel ranges from 50 to 100 depending on alloy and hardness |
| 01:22.12 | ds2 | oh diameter...inches |
| 01:22.29 | ds2 | none of them stinkin metric crap ;) |
| 01:22.43 | g1powermac_PB | btw, one tool you shouldn't cheap out on if you're working with wood is the circular saw |
| 01:22.56 | g1powermac_PB | HATES his circular saw |
| 01:23.00 | sunrunner20 | lol friend just linked me this http://www.toilette-humor.com/images/dogs_n_drugs.jpg |
| 01:23.29 | g1powermac_PB | I swear one day its going to kick back so badly that the blade will fly out and kill me or someone nearby |
| 01:23.46 | ds2 | no table saw? |
| 01:23.56 | g1powermac_PB | (the casing is all plastic, which is even worse) |
| 01:24.08 | g1powermac_PB | oh yea, I got a table saw too |
| 01:24.33 | g1powermac_PB | but to use that safely on large pieces of plywood, I need rollers to support the boards |
| 01:24.37 | g1powermac_PB | which I don't have ;-) |
| 01:25.12 | sunrunner20 | g1powermac_PB: its better than a magnesium alloy casing and a company that says you can use it to cut steal with an abrasive disk :) |
| 01:25.16 | g1powermac_PB | of course I could prolly build a larger table for the saw, but meh, I haven't had a need to and I'm lazy ;-) |
| 01:25.42 | g1powermac_PB | sunrunner20: hahah |
| 01:26.51 | g1powermac_PB | but anyway, my favorite saws are the chop saw and reciprocating saw, the former being just all around useful and the latter just being utterly fun ;-) |
| 01:27.00 | sunrunner20 | for those who don't know mag alloys have a propensity to burn when exposed to enough heat and/or sparks (steel +abrasive cutting disk == sparks and shitloads of heat) |
| 01:27.08 | joe_bleau | Ever see a friction saw? |
| 01:27.19 | sunrunner20 | joe_bleau: my dremel is a mini one? |
| 01:27.28 | joe_bleau | Not unless it's a band saw. |
| 01:27.37 | g1powermac_PB | mm, band saw |
| 01:27.42 | sunrunner20 | lol |
| 01:27.43 | g1powermac_PB | I want one of those too |
| 01:27.44 | joe_bleau | The blade has smooth channels to pull oxygen into the cut zone. |
| 01:27.48 | sunrunner20 | o.0 |
| 01:28.00 | joe_bleau | The blade runs fast enough to heat the steel, and then sucked in air burns it away. |
| 01:28.02 | sunrunner20 | wood? |
| 01:28.08 | sunrunner20 | or steel |
| 01:28.11 | joe_bleau | Imagine a big ass metal cutting bandsaw, |
| 01:28.20 | g1powermac_PB | I have a scroll saw, but I think the thing is dead |
| 01:28.32 | joe_bleau | with oxycut assistance. |
| 01:28.37 | g1powermac_PB | joe_bleau: nice |
| 01:28.41 | ds2 | make your own friction saw blade... try slicing lathe bits on a normal band saw |
| 01:28.42 | ds2 | ;) |
| 01:28.55 | g1powermac_PB | hah |
| 01:28.58 | joe_bleau | Metal removal rates are comparable to a carbide hog mills. |
| 01:29.26 | g1powermac_PB | hmm |
| 01:29.37 | sunrunner20 | I would refuse to use a large band saw untill i installed a break system >_< |
| 01:29.50 | g1powermac_PB | I don't think anyone would want me to have a oxy/acetylene torch? |
| 01:30.03 | ds2 | carbide hog mills seems to be HP limited |
| 01:30.21 | sunrunner20 | thats probally going to be my first welding tourch :) |
| 01:30.22 | g1powermac_PB | if I find reciprocating saws fun, oxy torches would be even more so |
| 01:30.40 | joe_bleau | Sure, unless you can't get the chips out of the way. Something nasty like 316L, for instance. |
| 01:30.43 | g1powermac_PB | cutting stuff + fire == much fun ;-) |
| 01:31.25 | joe_bleau | Oh, something cool, but at the other end of the spectrum: wire EDM. |
| 01:31.58 | g1powermac_PB | sunrunner20: I'm going for mig welding for my first welder |
| 01:32.21 | g1powermac_PB | I hear its the most versatile for the cost |
| 01:33.41 | sunrunner20 | most likely |
| 01:33.57 | sunrunner20 | alum + steel |
| 01:34.04 | g1powermac_PB | yea |
| 01:34.18 | sunrunner20 | but no cutting |
| 01:34.29 | g1powermac_PB | and I can go with flux wire and not worry about the gas for simple steel welds |
| 01:35.03 | g1powermac_PB | yea, but I will be buying an angle grinder as well |
| 01:35.06 | ds2 | joe_bleau: stalled a 1" hogger in 6061 on a 2HP spindle once |
| 01:35.23 | joe_bleau | 2HP? Sounds like it's time for a real machine... |
| 01:35.27 | g1powermac_PB | though I'd rather have a better option for cutting, like a band saw |
| 01:35.36 | joe_bleau | ;-) |
| 01:36.25 | ds2 | joe_bleau: it is a haas minimill |
| 01:36.43 | g1powermac_PB | ds2: is that one of those combo lathes? |
| 01:42.05 | g1powermac_PB | http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/Displayitem.taf?itemnumber=46199 |
| 01:42.34 | g1powermac_PB | thats something I've been looking at |
| 01:42.46 | g1powermac_PB | or something like it |
| 01:44.47 | ds2 | nope |
| 01:45.09 | g1powermac_PB | actually, more like this: http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/Displayitem.taf?itemnumber=44142 |
| 01:45.16 | g1powermac_PB | though they're dang expensive and heavy |
| 01:46.08 | joe_bleau | Looks pretty junky. |
| 01:46.18 | joe_bleau | Why not buy up some good 'merican iron instead? |
| 01:46.42 | g1powermac_PB | price? :-) |
| 01:47.05 | ds2 | are those the 7x10? |
| 01:47.05 | joe_bleau | I've seen CNC machining centers go at auction for less than $2k. |
| 01:47.15 | g1powermac_PB | hmm |
| 01:47.27 | ds2 | beware of old CNC machining centers |
| 01:47.28 | g1powermac_PB | what kind of auction? ebay? |
| 01:47.40 | joe_bleau | I'll bet there will be tons of machine tools available cheap if the economy doesn't turn quickly. |
| 01:48.15 | g1powermac_PB | hmm, maybe so |
| 01:51.49 | g1powermac_PB | may not be good, but: http://cgi.ebay.com/5-x-7-Mini-Metal-Lathe-Mill-Combo-Loaded-Brand-New_W0QQitemZ380082738751QQihZ025QQcategoryZ42282QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem |
| 01:52.26 | g1powermac_PB | might be useful when using aluminum |
| 01:52.52 | RobotGuy | is attempting to build another toolchain for Hammer. |
| 01:53.42 | g1powermac_PB | I wonder how useful that mill/lathe is |
| 01:55.58 | g1powermac_PB | what do you guys think? |
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| 02:09.38 | ds2 | ewwwww 3n1 |
| 02:12.43 | GPSFan | g1powermac: the ebay one you are looking at is aweful small, at 62 lbs you could almost put it in your pocket. the HF one comes in at 640 lbs. a lot more metal for the money. as to whether it will do what you need, that's an open question. there are lots of forums on the net for mini-machine type stuff. lots of aftermarket mods to make them work almost as good a cheap used (up) Bridgport. |
| 02:13.31 | g1powermac_PB | ahh, interesting |
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| 03:50.49 | solar | g1powermac: if you are after a miniature lathe/cnc I'd go for a sherline. |
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| 03:59.19 | ds2 | solar: why sherline? |
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| 17:30.59 | solar | ds2: parts and accessories, upgradeability. sherline is one of the more popular mini lathes/cnc for hobbyists and jewelers. |
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| 18:32.12 | ds2 | solar: taig isn't far behind and has comparable stuff |
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