| 00:15.43 | joe_bleau | Any Geode experts around? |
| 00:17.25 | ds2 | looks at the Penguin in the sky |
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| 00:27.36 | ds2 | just my luck... copy of staroffice shipped with the EeePC crashes immediately on the one file I need to edit |
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| 00:59.19 | Ian_Daniher|XO | ds2: staroffice = non-oss version of openoffice? |
| 00:59.41 | ds2 | Ian_Daniher|XO: that would be my guess |
| 01:00.04 | ds2 | according to posts, OO crashes less so I am downloading that and going to try to shoe horn it |
| 01:01.40 | joe_bleau | Now this is weird. |
| 01:01.58 | joe_bleau | If I plug in the VGA cable to this little ALIX SBC, my USB keyboard goes away. |
| 01:02.07 | joe_bleau | Unplug VGA, and the USB keyboard comes back. |
| 01:02.24 | joe_bleau | Wonder if I have a hot ground on my monitor... |
| 01:02.26 | ds2 | nice, you can either type or see but not both ;) |
| 01:02.32 | joe_bleau | Precisely. |
| 01:02.49 | ds2 | heisenberg vindicated. |
| 01:03.51 | joe_bleau | Common power strip. 2 wire wall wart driving the ALIX. |
| 01:04.12 | joe_bleau | Unplugged CATV, audio I/O, everything else but video in on the monitor |
| 01:04.27 | joe_bleau | Two wire cable from power supply to LCD monitor. |
| 01:04.32 | joe_bleau | Can't be grounding |
| 01:04.49 | ds2 | termination drawing too much power? |
| 01:05.31 | joe_bleau | Can't easily tell. Nothing in dmesg, just the USB disconnect |
| 01:10.45 | ds2 | put the KB on a self powered hub? |
| 01:14.39 | joe_bleau | Swapped VGA cables with my main machine. |
| 01:14.42 | joe_bleau | That fixed it. |
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| 02:00.50 | joe_bleau | So, what's a good way to hide the linux bootup messages from my vesafb console? |
| 02:02.28 | ds2 | blind fold? |
| 02:02.54 | joe_bleau | Not a viable option. It's gonna be visible to a bunch of people--42" LCD TV. |
| 02:03.19 | ds2 | commandline option... I think it is quiet |
| 02:03.36 | joe_bleau | I tried console=tty1, but I don't think it ever finished booting. |
| 02:03.39 | joe_bleau | console=quiet? |
| 02:03.54 | ds2 | no, just quiet |
| 02:04.34 | ds2 | or send it out the serial port |
| 02:04.43 | ds2 | console=/dev/ttyS0,9600n8 |
| 02:04.48 | joe_bleau | Serial port will be in use |
| 02:05.06 | ds2 | quiet is your best bet |
| 02:05.18 | ds2 | or hack printk which is what I did beforethey implemented quiet |
| 02:08.51 | joe_bleau | quiet almost works. i8042.c isn't happy, and someone is "Loading, please wait..." |
| 02:09.00 | joe_bleau | But then nothing. I don't think it finished booting. |
| 02:12.34 | ds2 | isn't loading from the bootloader (the kernel half)? don't think that first line can be disabled |
| 02:14.26 | joe_bleau | If I wait long enough, it complains and drops into busybox |
| 02:14.55 | ds2 | is it suppose to drop into getty? |
| 02:17.51 | joe_bleau | Trying the console=/dev/ttyS0,9600n8 now. Not seeing anything on serial or screen, and it hasn't tried to grab an IP address through DHCP yet. |
| 02:19.48 | ds2 | did you enable serial port support? |
| 02:19.55 | ds2 | serial port console support I mean |
| 02:23.58 | joe_bleau | I'm ashamed to admit I'm running a stock kernel. |
| 02:24.34 | ds2 | stock kernel, but who's config? |
| 02:24.54 | joe_bleau | Mr. Debian? ;-) |
| 02:25.05 | ds2 | oh, they probally didn't bother to enable that |
| 02:25.08 | joe_bleau | OK, got it to boot with quiet--that's a big help. |
| 02:25.17 | joe_bleau | Now, the messages pick up once kinit come in. |
| 02:25.29 | joe_bleau | It's easily 50% better. |
| 02:25.34 | ds2 | I think those are userland messages |
| 02:25.47 | ds2 | quiet suppresses kernel messages only during boot |
| 02:26.15 | joe_bleau | Wow. You've been very helpful. Thanks! |
| 02:26.24 | joe_bleau | Now if I could run a native HDTV resolution... |
| 02:27.16 | ds2 | X or the fb? |
| 02:27.46 | joe_bleau | Currently running vesafb. Don't think I'm up to the Geode LX framebuffer driver. Don't want X. |
| 02:28.27 | joe_bleau | My final app runs SDL over the fb. Looks great. |
| 02:29.06 | ds2 | you just need resolution or both resolution and refresh rate? |
| 02:29.24 | joe_bleau | It would be nice to have a native widescreen resolution. |
| 02:29.37 | joe_bleau | I don't think that's possible with the vesafb, as there are no widescreen VESA modes. |
| 02:29.48 | ds2 | yep, that's the problem |
| 02:29.57 | joe_bleau | The LCD will scale, so we may have to live with that. It's not bad at all. |
| 02:30.47 | joe_bleau | If I really wanted to, I could do a transform to compensate for the aspect ratio scaling |
| 02:31.06 | joe_bleau | But native resolution (1920x1080?) would be nice. |
| 02:31.19 | joe_bleau | Maybe next time... |
| 02:31.35 | ds2 | the geodeï¼LX FB shouldn't be too hard |
| 02:32.17 | joe_bleau | Just a lot to bite off for someone so clueless. |
| 02:40.41 | joe_bleau | Doh. console=ttyS0, not /dev/ttyS0... |
| 02:41.26 | joe_bleau | Yeah, I think you've got me on the right track. |
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| 02:47.47 | ds2 | or you could just hire me ;) |
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| 09:54.33 | methril | yo |
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| 14:10.32 | sunrunner20 | hey, wheres the /j #linux |
| 14:10.35 | sunrunner20 | ... |
| 14:10.36 | sunrunner20 | lol |
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| 14:32.58 | prpplague | ho ho hum |
| 14:34.08 | methril | hi |
| 14:36.08 | prpplague | methril: hola |
| 14:42.08 | methril | hola :) |
| 14:42.16 | methril | a lot of work? |
| 14:42.44 | prpplague | methril: yes, trying to finish a product up for release in january |
| 14:43.25 | prpplague | methril: not going very well |
| 14:43.52 | methril | ups |
| 14:44.07 | methril | could you give some info about the product? |
| 14:44.40 | prpplague | http://www.elinux.org/M8050 |
| 14:45.19 | mnemoc | prpplague: real picture? |
| 14:45.32 | mnemoc | (the first one) |
| 14:46.05 | prpplague | mnemoc: no both are renderings, i can't post any real pictures yet, company hasn't released any |
| 14:46.06 | methril | Looks nice |
| 14:47.04 | methril | where are you having troubles? any help? |
| 14:47.17 | methril | s/any help?/do you need help? |
| 14:48.25 | prpplague | methril: the EE that was doing the design was doing a terrible job and was fired, now i am having to clean up the mess and get the graphical portions working, i have already gotten the kernel and all the drivers complete |
| 14:48.39 | prpplague | methril: solar and miknix are doing some gui work for me |
| 14:49.06 | miknix | hello prpplague |
| 14:49.14 | miknix | when is the deadline? |
| 14:50.38 | prpplague | miknix: i need something to show at a meeting on december 5th, however the finish product needs to be ready by the january 9th |
| 14:52.46 | methril | small deadline |
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| 15:05.20 | prpplague | methril: most of it is done, the major item is just the last portions of the GUI stuff |
| 15:05.37 | prpplague | methril: and since that is not my area of expertise, it will take longer |
| 15:05.40 | methril | uf!! i'm not really good at GUI apps :) |
| 15:05.58 | methril | but poky is nice documented |
| 15:06.09 | methril | (i see you sometimes in the poky channel) |
| 15:06.38 | prpplague | methril: yea, poky is pretty much dead now that Intel purchased OpenHand |
| 15:06.46 | methril | i see |
| 15:06.54 | methril | but hrw is merging a lot of things in OE |
| 15:07.07 | methril | is not OE, but could be one day |
| 15:10.09 | prpplague | methril: yea, hrw has added the M8050 into OE |
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| 15:10.17 | prpplague | chouimat|work: boo |
| 15:10.22 | chouimat|work | HA! |
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| 16:28.31 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hey hey |
| 16:29.46 | CosmicPenguin | howdydoody |
| 16:30.41 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: did you get the week off for thanksgiving? *cough* |
| 16:30.56 | prpplague | jokes with CosmicPenguin |
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| 16:37.05 | kergoth | grrr |
| 16:38.50 | prpplague | kergoth: i second that |
| 16:39.27 | kergoth | trying to finish this damn OpenEmbedded proof of concept conversion script, but its proving more troublesome to do perfectly than i'd initially anticipated |
| 16:39.28 | chouimat|work | hi prpplague kergoth CosmicPenguin |
| 16:39.32 | kergoth | hey chouimat|work |
| 16:39.52 | prpplague | kergoth: isn't it always that way? |
| 16:39.56 | prpplague | chouimat|work: hey bud |
| 16:39.58 | kergoth | quite |
| 16:40.29 | chouimat|work | this samba bug is driving me nuts |
| 16:40.44 | prpplague | kergoth: i always find that the initial concept works out easily, its always the corner cases that complicate the code |
| 16:41.03 | prpplague | chouimat|work: gosh, you have a bug that dances? |
| 16:41.18 | prpplague | chouimat|work: you should put that on TV |
| 16:41.21 | chouimat|work | prpplague: yup ... and it live a lot of crap on the floor |
| 16:41.22 | kergoth | heh, there's also the whole 'the perfect is the enemy of the good'.. maybe i should settle for a less perfect implementation :P |
| 16:41.27 | chouimat|work | s/live/leavev |
| 16:41.46 | prpplague | kergoth: "God is in the details" |
| 16:43.12 | kergoth | OpenEmbedded's file:// stuff is useful, but awfully messy to extract something useful from |
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| 16:44.22 | kergoth | any file accessed via file:// can be specific to this package, this package of this version, this package of this version and this revision, and within each of those may be specific to an override (distro, machine, local, etc), and i'm trying to take that file and make a sane set of git branches from them |
| 16:44.34 | kergoth | heh |
| 16:48.01 | kergoth | of course, what sucks is, the git history in the existing OpenEmbedded repository isnt perfect either. we'll have quilt-0.45/install.patch and quilt-0.46/install.patch, both identical, and neither copied from the other in the repo, so they're independent, when they neednt be |
| 16:48.05 | kergoth | anyway... |
| 16:50.19 | chouimat|work | :) |
| 16:52.02 | CosmicPenguin | You will definately have to build in better patch management in OE-TNG |
| 16:52.24 | CosmicPenguin | something that can absorb patch mangling better |
| 16:56.42 | kergoth | hmm |
| 16:57.38 | CosmicPenguin | And while we're on the subject - have you ever seen a good alogrithm for automagically detecting the strip level of a patch? |
| 17:13.43 | kergoth | hmm i don't think so. thatd be useful for scripts though |
| 17:20.30 | kergoth | is lost in a maze of git branches, all alike |
| 17:20.46 | kergoth | gets eaten by a grue |
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| 18:08.36 | kergoth | hmmm |
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| 18:23.23 | kergoth | tries to make a list of every use of conditionals in OpenEmbedded |
| 18:58.42 | prpplague | chouimat|work: you've got mail |
| 18:59.15 | chouimat|work | prpplague: ok |
| 19:01.09 | chouimat|work | prpplague: where? |
| 19:01.17 | prpplague | chouimat|work: your gmail account |
| 19:01.28 | chouimat|work | ok still nothing |
| 19:02.10 | prpplague | chouimat|work: slow delivery i guess |
| 19:02.35 | kergoth | http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/2596/featureiu1.jpg |
| 19:03.03 | chouimat|work | prpplague: it's probably the CEO doing a demo by downloading some pr0n from his home device :) |
| 19:03.12 | prpplague | ahh |
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| 19:09.30 | chouimat|work | prpplague: ok got the email |
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| 19:15.24 | prpplague | chouimat|work: good deal |
| 19:16.58 | prpplague | chouimat|work: boxed and on the way to UPS |
| 19:17.58 | chouimat|work | wow fast service ;) |
| 19:24.17 | prpplague | chouimat|work: when sales are as slow as they are, every customer counts |
| 19:24.26 | chouimat|work | prpplague: I see |
| 19:51.00 | chouimat|work | kicks samba developers |
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| 21:26.33 | solar | prpplague: next time around this might be interesting. http://www.eglibc.org/home |
| 21:26.53 | prpplague | looks |
| 21:27.15 | prpplague | seems like i had looked at that before |
| 21:30.33 | solar | ahh. today is the first time I've seen it. And looking at the options.def it seems more inline with uclibc mentality, but with all the eabi goodness that goes along with glibc |
| 21:32.46 | roxfan | uclibc is not eabi compatible? |
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| 21:37.52 | prpplague | roxfan: there are still some issues with uclibc running as eabi |
| 21:38.07 | prpplague | roxfan: or atleast there were some issues 4-6 months ago |
| 21:42.12 | solar | I built a armv4tl-softfloat-linux-uclibcgnueabi before and tested it on the nail. It seemed to work but I don't recall if I verified that the final executables were eabi or not. |
| 21:53.42 | prpplague | http://hackaday.com/2008/11/25/fuzebox-open-source-gaming/ |
| 21:53.54 | prpplague | that would alot cooler if it use the hammer, hehe |
| 21:55.48 | chouimat|work | nice |
| 21:57.08 | prpplague | be interesting to re-do that with the hammer |
| 21:57.16 | prpplague | and ad a enc28j60 |
| 21:57.26 | prpplague | that way you could run mame on it |
| 21:57.39 | prpplague | get the game off your network |
| 21:58.21 | prpplague | the lcd controller on the hammer could do the same 3-3-2 color |
| 21:59.02 | prpplague | you'd just need to hack the framebuffer a little |
| 22:00.07 | chouimat|work | you will need audio too |
| 22:00.29 | prpplague | chouimat|work: yea, already have pwm audio for the hammer |
| 22:00.34 | chouimat|work | nice |
| 22:00.38 | prpplague | chouimat|work: just need a little tweaking |
| 22:01.24 | chouimat|work | this bug is driving me nuts |
| 22:01.37 | prpplague | you could almost mass produce that as a dedicated game using a atmega48 |
| 22:02.39 | chouimat|work | :) |
| 22:03.40 | chouimat|work | prpplague: on my ipod 160GB I have 19.7GB left ... |
| 22:04.06 | prpplague | that sure is alot of pr0n you have loaded on there |
| 22:04.18 | chouimat|work | no just over 17000 mp3 |
| 22:04.27 | prpplague | is joking with chouimat|work |
| 22:04.31 | chouimat|work | knows |
| 22:04.32 | prpplague | chouimat|work: nice collection |
| 22:04.40 | chouimat|work | I have over 43000 at home |
| 22:05.16 | prpplague | hmm wonder if there is a 3.3v part similar to the ad725 |
| 22:06.50 | prpplague | hmm nope, looks to be just +5v |
| 22:06.54 | prpplague | would need a buffer |
| 22:08.00 | prpplague | i think we made a mistake not having +5v I/O on the hammer |
| 22:08.20 | solar | next time.. |
| 22:08.31 | prpplague | hehe, won't be a next time |
| 22:08.52 | solar | think you guys wont ever be using a new chipset? |
| 22:09.06 | chouimat|work | they are going CE all the way ;) |
| 22:09.07 | prpplague | tincantools won't be |
| 22:09.17 | prpplague | and AML is going wince |
| 22:09.38 | MothaWork | prpplague: what are you trying to drive the AD725 with logic wise? |
| 22:09.53 | prpplague | MothaWork: +3.3v lcd singles |
| 22:10.43 | MothaWork | prpplague: AD725 is an analog video chip |
| 22:10.56 | MothaWork | the only logic level inputs are the sync inputs, IIRC |
| 22:11.28 | MothaWork | and I guess the enables |
| 22:11.56 | prpplague | yea, i was going to use the standard frame syncs from the lcd along with the lcd data lines in a resistance ladder |
| 22:12.01 | MothaWork | all the logic inputs appear to be 3.3V compatible |
| 22:12.12 | prpplague | just like they are doing with the fuzebox using an atmel |
| 22:12.23 | MothaWork | and the video is supposed to be 0.7-1Vpp anyway |
| 22:12.25 | prpplague | MothaWork: 4.7v to 5.5v |
| 22:12.36 | prpplague | MothaWork: for the logic that is |
| 22:12.50 | MothaWork | you need a 5V supply, but the logic thresholds are 3.3V compatible |
| 22:14.07 | prpplague | MothaWork: hmm, i must have misread the datasheet |
| 22:14.09 | prpplague | looks |
| 22:14.23 | MothaWork | input low is 1V max, input high is 2V min |
| 22:14.28 | MothaWork | they are TTL compatible |
| 22:14.35 | MothaWork | so 3.3V CMOS outputs will drive it fine |
| 22:15.19 | prpplague | ahh, my bad i was looking at the wrong table |
| 22:15.23 | MothaWork | the summary description in fact specifically mentions 3V CMOS compatibility |
| 22:15.37 | MothaWork | looking at the absolute max ratings? |
| 22:15.46 | prpplague | yea |
| 22:16.11 | prpplague | hmm, so the last question is, does the snes controller use anything at +5v or can it run with +3.3v |
| 22:16.20 | prpplague | looks for a snes controller schematic |
| 22:16.36 | MothaWork | it'll probably run at 3.3 even if it doesn't say it will :) |
| 22:17.29 | prpplague | i don't think it actually has any active electronics |
| 22:17.46 | MothaWork | I thought it was shift register based |
| 22:18.46 | chouimat|work | remembers the old color computer joysticks ... 2 potentiometers :) |
| 22:19.02 | MothaWork | looks like it's just got a 74xx595 in it |
| 22:19.16 | MothaWork | it has clock, data out, and a latch line |
| 22:19.22 | MothaWork | er, I guess that would be the opposite of a 595 |
| 22:19.31 | MothaWork | parallel-in, serial-out shift register |
| 22:19.55 | chouimat|work | ok time to go home and have a cold one |
| 22:21.39 | prpplague | yea i'm guessing it probably would run at +3.3v |
| 22:22.28 | MothaWork | likely |
| 22:22.36 | MothaWork | even the old LS TTL stuff usually works |
| 22:22.48 | MothaWork | if it's CMOS, then operation is very likely |
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| 22:28.35 | prpplague | hmm, seems to have two 4021's |
| 22:30.20 | prpplague | yea, it will depend on the actual part number |
| 22:30.32 | prpplague | there are some that go down as low as +3v |
| 22:32.00 | MothaWork | even the stuff not spec'd for it will often work |
| 22:32.11 | MothaWork | especially if you stick to clocks in the kHz range |
| 22:32.23 | MothaWork | which you'll likely have to do due to the cabling anyway |
| 22:34.39 | MothaWork | going home |
| 22:38.54 | prpplague | doh |
| 22:39.02 | prpplague | http://www.parallax.com/dl/docs/prod/prop/Hydra-Ch6All-v1.0.pdf |
| 22:40.26 | prpplague | yep looks totally doable |
| 22:40.39 | prpplague | but who's gonna pay $175 for that |
| 22:43.21 | prpplague | wonder if you could do a small adapter board so you could use the hammer on the same hardware |
| 22:43.29 | prpplague | after all the atmega chip is a 40-pin dip |
| 22:49.52 | prpplague | that would be a dandy STB |
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