| 00:04.30 | ds2 | joe_bleauĆ£: PONG |
| 00:04.40 | joe_bleau | PM me your email address, please. |
| 00:06.42 | joe_bleau | Thanks. |
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| 08:30.37 | methril | yo |
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| 12:24.12 | fnord | ping |
| 12:26.10 | fnord | is anyone familiar with this problem? arm-eabi uclibc busybox ash dies with illegal instruction. I built the toolchain but see lots of google hits on this, not sure if I did something wrong or if it's a bug :P |
| 12:27.49 | fnord | Trying to make an android target in scratchbox but I'm using buildroot |
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| 16:31.05 | solar | fnord: sounds like you don't have eabi enabled in the kernel |
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| 16:32.30 | gandhijee | any of you guys ever use the uclibc toolchain to compile zaptel modules? |
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| 16:49.23 | g1powermac_PB | hey RobotGuy |
| 16:49.35 | RobotGuy | Greetings, Program. :) |
| 16:49.47 | g1powermac_PB | got his welder in today :-) |
| 16:50.14 | RobotGuy | Cool |
| 16:50.15 | g1powermac_PB | unfortunately the other delivery containing the other things so I can actually use the welder hasn't arrived yet :( |
| 16:50.31 | RobotGuy | I'm working on a software pwm library for the Arduino. |
| 16:50.58 | g1powermac_PB | kinda need a welding mask and gloves to use the welder |
| 16:51.07 | RobotGuy | That sucks. New toy without things to use it with. |
| 16:51.21 | g1powermac_PB | yea |
| 16:51.31 | RobotGuy | I hate when that happens. |
| 16:53.19 | g1powermac_PB | I also got a nice 4.5" grinder coming with the welding mask and gloves |
| 16:53.38 | g1powermac_PB | the thing can actually run directly on DC power along with standard 110v AC |
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| 17:37.29 | prpplague | ho ho hum |
| 17:37.53 | prpplague | wow this is the least number of sysops i've ever seen on the channel since i started it |
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| 17:52.51 | prpplague | GPSFan: greetings |
| 17:53.42 | GPSFan | prpplague: happy red Wednsday... |
| 17:56.27 | prpplague | red? |
| 17:58.35 | GPSFan | well if this friday is when stores hope to go into the black, then they must be in the red today... ;>) |
| 17:58.43 | prpplague | ahh |
| 17:58.58 | prpplague | doesn't follow that stuff |
| 17:59.27 | prpplague | GPSFan: america is doomed anyway |
| 18:00.05 | GPSFan | has been for a while, just approaching it more rapidly now. |
| 18:00.49 | prpplague | indeed |
| 18:02.22 | RobotGuy | prpplague: I would really like to get that list of changes to buildroot from you. |
| 18:02.50 | prpplague | RobotGuy: if/when i have time i will post it |
| 18:02.53 | RobotGuy | prpplague: The list of bugs I found and fixed. |
| 18:04.15 | prpplague | tincantools stuff is not even on my todo list |
| 18:04.30 | ds2 | fnord from uci? |
| 18:05.11 | ds2 | prpplague: any chance you got around to the library posting? |
| 18:05.51 | prpplague | nope, the 8050 has been taking up 100% of my available time |
| 18:06.17 | ds2 | sounds like you have a drop dead date for the 8050 |
| 18:06.26 | prpplague | yep |
| 18:06.53 | prpplague | ds2: probably give my two weeks notice shortly after |
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| 18:07.32 | prpplague | cleaned out my office yesterday |
| 18:07.53 | wmat | prpplague: wha? |
| 18:08.11 | wmat | reads scrollback |
| 18:08.51 | prpplague | wmat: just planning to leave AML after the release of the 8050, assuming i can find something suitable |
| 18:11.44 | wmat | prpplague: things not going well there, I assume or have they abandoned Linux? |
| 18:11.50 | ds2 | prpplague: isn't that xmas? |
| 18:12.05 | prpplague | ds2: january 16th |
| 18:12.10 | prpplague | wmat: both |
| 18:12.10 | ds2 | oh |
| 18:12.18 | wmat | prpplague: sorry to hear that |
| 18:12.31 | solar | yeah ;/ |
| 18:12.44 | ds2 | :( |
| 18:13.12 | prpplague | wmat: yea, with the crap left over from the EEdiot, the sales department being anti-linux, and a management that simply doesn't care, not much else to do but move on |
| 18:14.13 | prpplague | unless something dramatic changes before jan16th, i'm about 99% certain i'll be leaving |
| 18:16.11 | wmat | not the best time to be looking for a job though, isn't it? |
| 18:16.16 | prpplague | wmat: nope |
| 18:16.23 | wmat | or do you have some leads? |
| 18:16.35 | prpplague | i have a few leads |
| 18:16.46 | wmat | well, good luck |
| 18:16.48 | prpplague | i won't jump ship until i have something lined up |
| 18:17.04 | wmat | smart |
| 18:18.04 | prpplague | the whole thing is very disappointing |
| 18:18.19 | wmat | i bet |
| 18:18.29 | prpplague | engineering department at AML used to do some very good work, and management used to work with us |
| 18:18.32 | prpplague | all thats gone |
| 18:18.58 | prpplague | now its watching every penny to the point of shooting themselves in the foot because of it |
| 18:19.47 | wmat | sounds familiar |
| 18:20.36 | prpplague | i.e. use a maxim part instead of linear since the maxim part is $0.05 , but what they don't understand is the maxim part has a 16 week lead time and you have to purchase 2500 min, whereas the linear you can purchase overnight from mouser for the exact amount you need |
| 18:20.57 | prpplague | s/$0.05/$0.05 cheaper |
| 18:21.09 | chouimat|work | :) |
| 18:22.05 | prpplague | i mean , if you build 1000 units in a month, that just saves you $50, is it really worth $50 to have to wait 16 weeks and have to buy 2500 parts? |
| 18:22.46 | ds2 | Mmmmm inventory costs |
| 18:25.17 | prpplague | what gets me the most is when we are doing the design work, i pick parts and software specifically for the design, they change up the design to save $$, and i warn them that there is a specific reason for choosing those items |
| 18:25.33 | prpplague | then they say "oh ok, well we are going to with the cheaper design" |
| 18:25.43 | prpplague | fast forward 3 months ahead |
| 18:26.02 | prpplague | and managment says "oh @#$% this isn't going to work! why didn't you tell us?" |
| 18:26.23 | prpplague | which means i have to grab all the emails and documents and shove it in their face |
| 18:26.33 | chouimat|work | prpplague: ouch ... remember of some contracting jobs I did in the past |
| 18:26.47 | prpplague | and they are like "uh well you should have made the point clearer to us" |
| 18:30.12 | RobotGuy | prpplague: I guess I will have to think seriously about dropping Hammer totally then. :( |
| 18:30.34 | prpplague | RobotGuy: thats between you and tincantools |
| 18:30.35 | solar | why? it's still a good platform. |
| 18:31.18 | RobotGuy | This is insane. Can't even get something that should be easily gotten. :( |
| 18:31.34 | prpplague | RobotGuy: which is? |
| 18:31.40 | wmat | Peter needs to join the project from his FTDNA personal page - where |
| 18:31.40 | wmat | he'll find a blue "join" button |
| 18:31.44 | wmat | ooops |
| 18:31.46 | wmat | sorry |
| 18:31.52 | wmat | finger twitched |
| 18:31.52 | RobotGuy | prpplague: The list of buildroot fixes I need. |
| 18:32.08 | prpplague | RobotGuy: you did the fixes, you should have a list as well |
| 18:32.13 | prpplague | no one else submitted any |
| 18:32.57 | prpplague | RobotGuy: iirc almost all of them were specific to your build environment |
| 18:33.19 | RobotGuy | prpplague: All the fixes I submitted to you was based on you releasing a new buildroot, which I guess is just not going to happen now. |
| 18:33.23 | RobotGuy | prpplague: That is not correct. |
| 18:34.55 | prpplague | RobotGuy: why are you hung up on a new release of buildroot? just use the one you have, fix the items and save a copy |
| 18:36.33 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Because I'm not interested in repeating what I have already done when the changes could be made much quicker if I had that list. |
| 18:36.44 | prpplague | RobotGuy: i'm sure there will be a new release of an official buildroot, it just won't be from me |
| 18:36.54 | prpplague | RobotGuy: like i said, all of them came from you |
| 18:37.03 | prpplague | RobotGuy: you should have kept a copy |
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| 19:25.56 | prpplague | solar: the new rev of the boards and hardware will be ready to ship on december 8th |
| 19:26.05 | prpplague | solar: i'll have a cradle for you as well |
| 19:26.32 | prpplague | solar: i'll be able to ship a unit to miknix then |
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| 19:52.14 | T0mW | CosmicPenguin: is Geode Pentium software compatible? or is it only i386? |
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| 19:53.54 | roxfan | k7+3dnow afaik |
| 19:55.21 | T0mW | I'm just wondering if I have to install RedHat (or older linux distro) on a Geode, or if I can put a more modern Pentium capable Linux on it. |
| 19:56.12 | roxfan | hmm well probably depends on the chip model... 3dnow thing is in geode lx for certain |
| 19:56.27 | T0mW | nod, ok |
| 19:56.55 | roxfan | wikipedia says first geode already had mmx |
| 19:57.03 | T0mW | I may have a job coming up in Jan where I need to install a Linux distro on it. |
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| 20:01.31 | solar | prpplague: cool. But ouch. You have the demo to do on the 9th? |
| 20:02.36 | solar | prpplague: well either way. Only thing I'm less than happy with is the behavior of trying to calibrate the device. If I'm having a heck of a time I can only picture what end users would have to do. |
| 20:03.00 | solar | even preloading the poky calibration file seems to have less than desirable results |
| 20:03.25 | solar | oh and trackball. |
| 20:08.51 | ds2 | trackball?! |
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| 20:27.56 | solar | ds2: (right in the center) http://elinux.org/M8050 ; Book looks like this exact part. http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=755 |
| 20:29.42 | ds2 | i have seen the pictures, just surprised they really used it...trackballs like to capture dirt |
| 20:30.02 | ds2 | the rest of the device are semihardened so this seems like an odd choice |
| 20:36.04 | prpplague | solar: the demo on the dec 9th isn't that much |
| 20:36.13 | prpplague | solar: they just need to get a feel for the gui |
| 20:36.21 | prpplague | solar: january 9th is the real deadline |
| 20:36.48 | prpplague | solar: strangen though, i have no problems with touchscreen calibration |
| 21:02.26 | solar | prpplague: for Dec 9th demo. You have 2-3 linux to show then? |
| 21:02.41 | solar | poxy/ge/other? |
| 21:03.09 | prpplague | solar: just showing some of the gentoo gpe stuff you did and some angstrom gpe stuff |
| 21:03.16 | prpplague | solar: basically they look the same |
| 21:14.51 | solar | prpplague: I'm not sure what angstrom-gpe is exactly. But I'm pulling stuff from the old gpe site at handhelds and some of the newer stuff from linuxtogo. |
| 21:15.32 | solar | and for the life of me I can't get you to sign off on what pkgs you really want. Vs saying "ok that looks good" |
| 21:17.42 | solar | hrmm but I know if 4-5 pkgs we can drop now. |
| 21:18.15 | prpplague | solar: office is closing early, i'll be back online later |
| 21:19.14 | solar | yeah mine will as well. Cya |
| 21:19.32 | solar | i do want to touch base with you over the next few days to try and put the polish up on things |
| 21:19.37 | solar | oh |
| 21:19.41 | agaffney | too late :P |
| 21:19.56 | solar | yeah I noticed when I did a prp\t\t |
| 21:20.06 | agaffney | heh |
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