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| 01:14.46 | RobotGuy | waves at landley |
| 01:18.17 | landley | waves at RobotGuy. |
| 01:18.26 | landley | Trying to get FWL 0.9.5 out today so I can say it shipped in november. :) |
| 01:18.46 | landley | My mondo documentation rewrite is almost done: http://landley.net/code/firmware/documentation.html |
| 01:21.53 | RobotGuy | I'm working on a new robot leg controlled by an Arduino. |
| 01:33.37 | RobotGuy | I've downloaded and installed the Code Sourcery Lite for ARM and the Personal Trial for ARM/EABI. |
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| 02:57.56 | jbevren | so over the weekend I finally had some spare time. :) |
| 02:58.03 | jbevren | sadly, I have yet to get mmc to work on the hammer. |
| 02:58.05 | jbevren | halp! :) |
| 02:58.18 | jbevren | <- using buildroot toolchain, linux 2.5.26.8 with hammer mmc patch |
| 02:58.46 | jbevren | drivers:mmc/sd, mmc block dev, bounce buffer, mmc/sd over spi all 'y' |
| 02:59.17 | jbevren | reads on /dev/mmc (block 179 0) return no such device or address |
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| 14:29.58 | prpplague | ho ho ho |
| 14:30.04 | prpplague | merry freakin monday |
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| 14:49.37 | miknix | aha, its freeday here |
| 14:50.13 | mnemoc | where is here? |
| 14:50.24 | miknix | Portugal |
| 14:52.09 | mnemoc | just for curiousty, where in portugal? |
| 14:52.18 | miknix | Covilha |
| 14:53.36 | miknix | its on the center o portugal, near spain |
| 14:54.19 | mnemoc | i was planing to go to porto for xmas |
| 14:54.43 | miknix | where are you from? |
| 14:55.13 | mnemoc | chile, but i live in a coruña, galicia |
| 14:56.25 | mnemoc | or galiza if you prefer ;-) |
| 14:57.21 | miknix | A visit to galiza is also in my plans :) |
| 14:58.22 | mnemoc | =) |
| 14:58.37 | T0mW | sounds like cross-pollination of software to me... |
| 14:59.39 | miknix | from what I've heard galiza has some similarities to the north of portugal |
| 14:59.48 | miknix | even on the language |
| 15:00.17 | T0mW | yeah, even spanish != spanish, depending on where you are |
| 15:00.35 | mnemoc | the language is closer to portugese than to spanish |
| 15:00.36 | T0mW | or english even |
| 15:00.51 | miknix | mnemoc, yes I believe so |
| 15:01.06 | mnemoc | T0mW: in spain there are 4 different languages (not dialects) |
| 15:01.50 | mnemoc | my daughter at school here (in spain) only get the spanish class in spanish, it's considered a foreign language |
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| 15:02.45 | T0mW | heh |
| 15:03.06 | mnemoc | personally I find it stupid |
| 15:03.14 | T0mW | I just wish that I had taken spanish in schoool as a second language rather then the german they recommended. |
| 15:03.18 | mnemoc | but that's the regional law :( |
| 15:03.58 | T0mW | They told me I would need to learn german as I was going into an engineering field, computers, doh! |
| 15:04.30 | T0mW | that was before msdos days |
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| 15:04.39 | mnemoc | I was a year living in germany (berlin) and even the homeless people speaks english :p |
| 15:04.50 | T0mW | LOL |
| 15:05.07 | mnemoc | (and french) |
| 15:05.16 | T0mW | mnemoc: gotta hit up the tourists for a handout |
| 15:05.24 | mnemoc | :) |
| 15:05.39 | miknix | lol |
| 15:05.40 | T0mW | "brother, can you spare a Mark?" |
| 15:05.59 | T0mW | :) |
| 15:06.07 | mnemoc | Euro ;-) |
| 15:06.16 | T0mW | oh, now, yes |
| 15:07.04 | T0mW | euro is too much money, what would be the equivilant of 25 cents? |
| 15:07.16 | T0mW | Quarter Euro? |
| 15:07.42 | mnemoc | a 20 cents coin |
| 15:07.51 | T0mW | what do they call the coin? |
| 15:07.59 | mnemoc | 20 cents coin :p |
| 15:08.03 | T0mW | we call a 10 cent coin a "dime" |
| 15:09.02 | miknix | lol, we call it the "change" coin |
| 15:09.07 | T0mW | mnemoc: or is it just that the coinage is so new that slang for them hasn't happened yet? |
| 15:09.53 | mnemoc | in spain some slang for the per-euro coin survived |
| 15:10.11 | mnemoc | from* |
| 15:10.52 | T0mW | I think that is why the Brits have not adopted the Euro, they are too much in love with: pounds, pence, etc. ;) |
| 15:11.18 | prpplague | dime comes from the old french word Disme, which means "tithe" i.e. 1/10 donnation to the church |
| 15:11.33 | T0mW | ~lart prpplague |
| 15:11.33 | purl | drops a humongous exploding nuke on prpplague |
| 15:11.38 | miknix | :o |
| 15:12.00 | T0mW | prpplague: good morning! |
| 15:12.01 | prpplague | T0mW: what was that for? hehe |
| 15:12.05 | prpplague | T0mW: greetings |
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| 15:12.24 | T0mW | prpplague: nuke is better than coffee to get you started. |
| 15:13.11 | miknix | I believe I saw some study that proves that coffee actually slows you down |
| 15:13.27 | prpplague | miknix: unless you have ADD or ADHD |
| 15:13.44 | miknix | not sure I saw that |
| 15:13.45 | T0mW | prpplague: I went nuts for the past two months trying to get my monster box working again. Replace *all* the boards, ram, power supply. Turns out the problem with the raid10 always resync-ing on reboot is one with udev. |
| 15:14.00 | T0mW | :( |
| 15:14.25 | T0mW | so, I now a another computer that I can put together. All I need is a case + drives... |
| 15:14.46 | T0mW | s/now/now have |
| 15:15.05 | prpplague | miknix: generally most drugs have an opposite reaction for ADD and ADHD, so stimulates like caffinee allow their brain to focus and become more productive |
| 15:23.22 | prpplague | T0mW: fun fun\ |
| 15:25.31 | prpplague | ho ho hum |
| 15:25.39 | prpplague | has too much work to do |
| 15:26.10 | chouimat|work | morning |
| 15:32.51 | prpplague | chouimat|work: greetings |
| 15:35.34 | miknix | prpplague, yesterday we managed to complete gpe-2.8 |
| 15:36.07 | prpplague | miknix: oh? |
| 15:36.15 | prpplague | miknix: for the linwizard? |
| 15:36.42 | kergoth | morning |
| 15:38.08 | kergoth | T0mW: heh, when my desktop kept breaking i got so sick and tired of fucking around with computer components, gave up on it, now i'm sticking to machines with warranties :P |
| 15:38.12 | kergoth | sad as that is.. |
| 15:40.40 | agaffney | kergoth: don't buy crappy components :P |
| 15:40.54 | agaffney | I've never had a computer I built break |
| 15:41.02 | agaffney | and I've been building them for almost 10 years |
| 15:41.10 | agaffney | only the occasional bad PSU |
| 15:41.30 | kergoth | i don't. but i don't replace anything until it breaks, i don't compulsively upgrade anymore. i'd been using that machine for over 5 years :P |
| 15:42.04 | prpplague | kergoth: i'm the same way with women |
| 15:42.06 | agaffney | I've never compulsively upgraded |
| 15:42.08 | agaffney | hah |
| 15:42.11 | kergoth | hahah |
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| 16:14.54 | T0mW | kergoth: yeah, I did that, I had some trashcan^H^H^H^H^H homebuilt machines once, a contract to fill and the machines kept fscking up. So, a trip to Best Buy was required. |
| 16:15.07 | agaffney | ewwww |
| 16:15.24 | T0mW | agaffney: I was desperate to get working again. :/ |
| 16:15.33 | agaffney | still...ewww |
| 16:15.38 | T0mW | :D |
| 16:16.03 | T0mW | I sold that computer to someone else as a dev box for their project. |
| 16:16.11 | T0mW | now I am back to homebuilt |
| 16:16.32 | T0mW | with cases that cost more than $20 |
| 16:16.33 | agaffney | heh |
| 16:20.23 | chouimat|work | likes his new dev box at home ... |
| 16:24.19 | chouimat|work | hates the tasks he has to do today ... fixing fscking french translations :( |
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| 16:26.52 | kergoth | is pretty happy with his macbook, other than the fact that he has so many pieces of shareware to buy, since the freeware/oss options aren't quite up to par |
| 16:27.33 | chouimat|work | kergoth: I'm happy with my macpro :) |
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| 16:35.59 | [AD]Turbo | hello |
| 16:38.22 | agaffney | if somebody wants to buy me a dual quad-core macpro for ~$5k, I'll be more than happy to use it :P |
| 16:41.52 | chouimat|work | agaffney: hehe ... this beast need more than the 2GB of RAM it got by default |
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| 16:42.19 | agaffney | pfft, I've got 2GB in the intel atom I'm using at my home server/NAS :P |
| 16:42.29 | agaffney | at least, I will when it comes today :) |
| 16:42.39 | agaffney | my $600 laptop came with 3GB |
| 16:42.45 | chouimat|work | agaffney: I have 10GB in the macpro |
| 16:43.05 | chouimat|work | and I'm thinking to go to 32GB |
| 16:43.49 | agaffney | heh |
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| 19:09.44 | prpplague | ho ho hum |
| 19:09.55 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: whats the word? |
| 19:10.21 | CosmicPenguin | salsa |
| 19:10.51 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: you getting paid to do salsa dancing? |
| 19:11.21 | CosmicPenguin | I'm feeling hot hot hot |
| 19:14.06 | prpplague | hehe, that song is actually a style of music from barbados called soca |
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| 19:18.14 | ds2 | tosses chili peppers around ;) |
| 19:25.09 | prpplague | wow they even have wikipedia entries - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hot_Hot_Hot_(Arrow_song) and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soca_music |
| 19:33.51 | frikker | hey guys. |
| 19:35.15 | frikker | i have a question. usb_control_msg ... every example that i've seen that uses it (from libusb) has parameters that i can't trace anywhere. int requesttype, and int request, (second and third parameters) have a hex integer usually. |
| 19:35.20 | frikker | int usb_control_msg(usb_dev_handle *dev, int requesttype, int request, int value, int index, char *bytes, int size, int timeout); |
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| 19:35.36 | frikker | are there standard request types, or are they specific to individual devices? |
| 19:36.35 | vtswingkid | is anyone here using php on buildroot? |
| 19:45.13 | ds2 | there are standard requests and there are device specific ones |
| 19:47.03 | prpplague | vtswingkid: most people who are using php with buildroot are doing so for very very very simply web admin style apps |
| 19:49.37 | vtswingkid | I just need php to handle some json responses....Anyway, I was wondering if someone could steer me in the direction of getting it to compile successfully |
| 19:50.21 | vtswingkid | I am including the sqlite compatibility and it is crashing on a missing -ldl library. |
| 19:50.48 | vtswingkid | I am guessing the php doesnot link well against the uclibc...but I see the package and options in there so I assume someone had it working |
| 19:51.28 | vtswingkid | Simply adding -ldl to the generated make file makes it compile. But that is a hack |
| 19:51.37 | prpplague | vtswingkid: not too many people use php with buildroot, mainly since buildroot is mostly used on headless apps that are very small |
| 19:52.12 | prpplague | vtswingkid: yea i'd just check the busybox.net website to see if there are any patches/bugfixes posted for the buildroot php package |
| 19:52.38 | vtswingkid | I'll take a look |
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| 20:14.35 | keesj | what would be needed to debug userland apps using jtag ? |
| 20:15.08 | ds2 | software ;) |
| 20:15.34 | prpplague | keesj: you can use gdb as well as a number of other applications |
| 20:15.46 | prpplague | keesj: generally peopl just use gdb with a serial port |
| 20:16.00 | prpplague | keesj: unless it is something that creates problems with the uarts |
| 20:16.06 | keesj | I know about debuging using gdbserver + serial or ehternet |
| 20:16.24 | keesj | what would be needed to debug userland apps using jtag |
| 20:16.46 | prpplague | keesj: jtag device and openocd for ARM devices |
| 20:18.02 | keesj | so it could be possible and not much different from debugging de kernel? |
| 20:18.14 | prpplague | keesj: basically the same |
| 20:20.44 | keesj | btw did you seen the mail on the openocd list? |
| 20:20.46 | prpplague | kergoth: ping |
| 20:20.58 | kergoth | prpplague: pong |
| 20:21.05 | keesj | I will give i a serious try (userland debugging) |
| 20:22.07 | prpplague | kergoth: having a brain cramp here, i'm trying to run ts_calibrate on a lcd, 320x240, i need to actuall have it run as 320x240@270, but ts_calibrate always seems to run as 320x240@0 |
| 20:23.10 | prpplague | kergoth: does ts_calibrate only support operations at the native lcd resolution and rotation? |
| 20:44.10 | kergoth | prpplague: honestly, i can't recall. pretty sure it calibrates at whatever the current rotation & resolution is, it can't compensate for a changed screen size or rotation, i don't think |
| 20:44.22 | kergoth | but, there is a patch floating around the OpenEmbedded bug tracker to handle multiple resolutions, i think |
| 20:44.26 | kergoth | might want to take a loook at that |
| 20:44.27 | kergoth | i haven't ad time |
| 20:44.28 | kergoth | had, even |
| 20:45.40 | prpplague | kergoth: hmm, when you say current rotation and resolution, where is it reading that from? fbcon? or the x session? |
| 20:46.54 | kergoth | pretty sure it just checks the fb its dealing with |
| 20:47.25 | kergoth | thats why people often use their own calibrators. opie had one, x has one.. but most emit the same file, so tslib can use the output of that calibration to do the transform |
| 20:47.37 | kergoth | still thinks the calibration algorithms should be in a library somewhere |
| 20:47.54 | prpplague | kergoth: right, which is why i normally use xtscal instead of ts_calibrate |
| 20:48.07 | kergoth | nods |
| 20:48.44 | kergoth | i think the patch in the OpenEmbedded tracker just lets it store multiple sets of calibration constants in the pointercal and uses it based on the current resolution, or so |
| 20:49.10 | kergoth | but really, i dont see a reason we couldn't take the constants and adjust them to the new resolution.. |
| 20:49.11 | kergoth | shrugs |
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| 20:59.12 | landley | waves at prpplague |
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| 21:22.12 | prpplague | landley: greetings! |
| 21:22.52 | prpplague | kergoth: yea, my main problem is the rotation |
| 21:23.29 | landley | Why are mips binaries so enormous? |
| 21:24.30 | chouimat|work | landley: because the instruction set is too simple |
| 21:24.32 | chouimat|work | :) |
| 21:25.14 | prpplague | landley: hey now! they are just size-challenged |
| 21:25.47 | landley | The "strip" command is 1.8 megabytes. |
| 21:25.50 | landley | That can't be right. |
| 21:26.02 | prpplague | landley: wow that is pretty massive |
| 21:26.05 | landley | I think I'm doing something wrong, but I can't remember what. |
| 21:26.07 | chouimat|work | landley: file on it |
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| 21:26.45 | landley | In a previous build, the strip command was 1095608 bytes, which is still crazy but _less_ carzy. |
| 21:27.05 | landley | I think I'm going to have to bisect back through my own code to see where this broke, but I suspect it was the move from uClibc 0.9.29->0.9.30. |
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| 21:28.37 | agaffney | landley: are you sure you're not doing something silly like statically linking it? :P |
| 21:29.19 | landley | agaffney: yup. |
| 21:29.38 | landley | Although this is the fsf's gcc build producing all the insanely large utilities, so its ./configure could be doing anything. |
| 21:30.59 | agaffney | landley: run 'file' on the binaries like chouimat|work suggested |
| 21:31.07 | agaffney | just to be sure :P |
| 21:31.11 | prpplague | ./configure --enable_mips_massive_bloat |
| 21:32.21 | chouimat|work | prpplague: ./configure --enable_please_hdd_flash_makers |
| 21:32.22 | landley | build/mini-native-mips/usr/bin/strip: ELF 32-bit MSB executable, MIPS, MIPS-I version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), stripped |
| 21:32.22 | landley | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:32.22 | landley | -rwxr-xr-x 2 landley landley 1844324 2008-12-01 15:07 build/mini-native-mips/usr/bin/strip |
| 21:32.59 | ds2 | it is the flash-bw-test-feature |
| 21:34.00 | landley | Satisfied that's not the problem? |
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| 22:59.03 | solar | kergoth: recall a week or two ago.. That Event Type 0 (patch you questioned for tslib) turns out I 100% needed it for the 8050 |
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