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| 14:31.42 | prpplague | ho ho ho |
| 14:31.44 | prpplague | merry freakin friday |
| 14:35.55 | prpplague | holy freakin cow! my OE build completed on the first try with no errors |
| 14:40.51 | Crofton|work | :) |
| 14:42.40 | prpplague | Crofton|work: you are up early today |
| 14:42.53 | Crofton|work | I'm back in VA |
| 14:43.08 | Crofton|work | good to hear you build succeeded |
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| 14:43.51 | prpplague | Crofton|work: oh? temporary or permanent move? |
| 14:43.54 | prpplague | GPSFan: greetings |
| 14:44.29 | prpplague | Crofton|work: well this is just a first step, hrw did most of the hard work |
| 14:44.33 | Crofton|work | I've always been here |
| 14:44.39 | Crofton|work | Phoenix was a temp job |
| 14:44.42 | prpplague | Crofton|work: this type of stuff just doesn't interest me |
| 14:44.47 | prpplague | Crofton|work: OH |
| 14:45.04 | GPSFan | prpplague: good morning, how was the big Demo (tm)" ? |
| 14:45.22 | prpplague | GPSFan: it starts in about 45 minutes |
| 14:45.40 | GPSFan | prpplague: ah, I thought it was yesterday ;P good luck... |
| 14:45.49 | prpplague | thanks |
| 14:46.04 | prpplague | hmm test image seems to have stuck on starting udev |
| 14:48.07 | Crofton|work | wait a while ..... |
| 14:48.32 | prpplague | how long? |
| 14:48.36 | Crofton|work | not sure |
| 14:48.36 | prpplague | 5 mintues? |
| 14:48.44 | prpplague | reboots and tests |
| 14:48.55 | Crofton|work | it can take a bit for the first udev |
| 14:49.01 | prpplague | Crofton|work: first boot option? |
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| 14:49.12 | Crofton|work | populating the /dev dir |
| 14:49.37 | prpplague | waits |
| 14:49.37 | Crofton|work | I'm trying to think if there are any otherissues, this sounds fmailiar |
| 14:49.44 | Crofton|work | hrw may have a better answer |
| 14:50.05 | prpplague | yea it sounds familar to me as well |
| 14:54.07 | prpplague | i'm guessing oil will close below $40 today, and possibly below $35 next week |
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| 15:08.33 | prpplague | kergoth: greetings, my OE build last night completed with zero errors, it truely is the end of the world! |
| 15:08.55 | kergoth | gasp |
| 15:09.46 | prpplague | kergoth: image has yet to boot all the way though :( |
| 15:10.17 | kergoth | :( |
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| 15:21.43 | prpplague | argh, this userland stuff is just down right no fun |
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| 17:21.33 | prpplague | kergoth: something just not right with this build, udev is taking forever to complete, and the system hangs before reaching runlevel 3 |
| 17:21.41 | kergoth | hmm, thats odd |
| 17:21.57 | kergoth | could try a build for qemu and see if it fails there too? eliminate the hardware from the mix? |
| 17:23.13 | CosmicPenguin | The reasons that udev could fail number in the hundreds and hundreds |
| 17:23.28 | CosmicPenguin | you could also try to boot with init=/bin/sh and run udev by hand |
| 17:24.31 | solar | mdev -s :) |
| 17:27.53 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: yea, it boots with /bin/sh, one of the first things i tried |
| 17:28.20 | kergoth | CosmicPenguin: http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=dzb388z_61fqt9dcd3 - work in progress |
| 17:30.13 | kergoth | http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2008/12/prisoner_escape.html is funny as hell |
| 17:30.19 | kergoth | "At the end of his shift, the inmate climbed into a cardboard box and was taken out of prison by express courier. His whereabouts are still unknown." |
| 17:30.32 | CosmicPenguin | heh - I heard about that on the radio yesterday |
| 17:31.05 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: yea starting by hand of udev also takes a long time |
| 17:31.10 | prpplague | retesting each part now |
| 17:31.45 | CosmicPenguin | you are using OE? |
| 17:31.47 | prpplague | kergoth: hardware is fine, i've used previous oe and poky builds with no problems |
| 17:31.48 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: yea |
| 17:31.52 | kergoth | ah |
| 17:31.58 | CosmicPenguin | okay - there's a very evil local rule in OE |
| 17:32.09 | prpplague | oh? do tell |
| 17:32.14 | kergoth | open a bug in the bts? |
| 17:32.23 | CosmicPenguin | Its been there for like 3 years |
| 17:32.31 | CosmicPenguin | I've complained about it until I was blue in the face |
| 17:32.39 | prpplague | kergoth: not unless i know for a fact it isn't due to my ignorance |
| 17:32.56 | CosmicPenguin | look in /etc/udev/rules.d/ - there should be a local.rules or similarlly named |
| 17:33.19 | CosmicPenguin | there are two rules in there that try to enumerate all the filesystems - it basically tries to mount every single storage device on teh system |
| 17:33.28 | prpplague | oh lord |
| 17:33.33 | prpplague | goes to look |
| 17:33.37 | kergoth | comes back to the accountability thing imo. a proper maintainer of the udev package should monitor other distros rules, upstream supplied rules, etc |
| 17:33.45 | kergoth | figure out the Right Thing |
| 17:33.57 | CosmicPenguin | that always made geode sad |
| 17:34.37 | prpplague | # Media automounting |
| 17:34.37 | prpplague | SUBSYSTEM=="block", ACTION=="add" RUN+="/etc/udev/scripts/mount.sh" |
| 17:34.37 | prpplague | SUBSYSTEM=="block", ACTION=="remove" RUN+="/etc/udev/scripts/mount.sh" |
| 17:34.41 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: those? |
| 17:34.45 | CosmicPenguin | yes |
| 17:34.58 | kergoth | damnit, i'm gonna have to buy more apps.. only thing i dont like about Mac OS X |
| 17:35.28 | likewise | someone using this puppet, or knows an alternative? http://www.saleae.com/logic/ |
| 17:35.57 | likewise | will supposedly come with Linux and OSX support in Q12009 |
| 17:35.59 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hmm nope, still taking more than a minute |
| 17:36.11 | CosmicPenguin | well, thats a start |
| 17:36.33 | CosmicPenguin | Go through and start purging the rules - eventually you'll find the one that is causing you pain |
| 17:36.46 | CosmicPenguin | You might also want to look at the poky rules - they might work better on strong arm |
| 17:36.56 | prpplague | goes to look at the rules |
| 17:37.18 | CosmicPenguin | One of the advantages of x86 is that the udev rules always seemed to work better for me |
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| 17:41.14 | prpplague | hmm rules seem to be the same |
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| 17:43.01 | prpplague | udevd and udevadm have different file sizes |
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| 17:45.23 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: appears to be something specific to the udevd and udevadm binaries as the old ones work fine |
| 17:46.00 | CosmicPenguin | they might be processing rules differently |
| 17:46.05 | CosmicPenguin | yay udev, huh? |
| 17:47.11 | prpplague | kergoth: there a browsable history for oe metadata? |
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| 17:47.23 | kergoth | there's a gitweb available |
| 17:47.31 | kergoth | or just use git |
| 17:48.32 | prpplague | git.openembedded.org ?? |
| 17:49.40 | kergoth | you cloned it, didn't you? |
| 17:49.41 | prpplague | yea |
| 17:50.00 | likewise | prpplague: or http://gitweb.openembedded.net/ |
| 17:50.02 | kergoth | http://git.openembedded.net/?p=openembedded.git;a=summary |
| 17:50.15 | prpplague | ahh didn't try .net |
| 17:50.16 | prpplague | thanks |
| 17:59.12 | prpplague | hmm appears to be the same version same rules, but the binaries are different sizes |
| 18:06.41 | prpplague | something weird going on here, this reminds me why i hate userland dev |
| 18:23.11 | prpplague | seems to hang on: /sbin/udevadm settle |
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| 18:36.24 | Chocobo | Ok... does anyone here use eclipse + Zylin + OpenOCD? |
| 18:37.57 | chouimat|work | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:38.16 | prpplague | chouimat|work: a brand of jtag device |
| 18:38.20 | chouimat|work | ok |
| 18:38.39 | prpplague | Chocobo: most of the folks here have flyswatters |
| 18:39.13 | Chocobo | no no... the Zylin CDT plugin for eclipse. |
| 18:39.30 | chouimat|work | embedded CDT? |
| 18:39.41 | Chocobo | Yeah. |
| 18:39.53 | chouimat|work | never tried it ... |
| 18:40.28 | Chocobo | Basically the problem I am running into is: Put a breakpoint in an ISR... I hit resume, and after a few seconds I get a pop up error telling me communication time out. Duh, I hit resume. |
| 18:43.11 | prpplague | Chocobo: best to ask zylin for support |
| 18:43.24 | Chocobo | Ok, thanks. |
| 18:44.47 | prpplague | kergoth: definetly something with udevd :( |
| 18:45.22 | Chocobo | ARM development... is certainly more complicated than AVR/PIC. |
| 18:46.03 | prpplague | indeed |
| 18:46.54 | Chocobo | I just about died when I was trying to figure out the NVIC for the Cortex-M3. |
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| 19:51.13 | prpplague | totally disappointed..... i was hopin to get this booting today :( |
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| 19:57.31 | solar | you can still get it booted |
| 19:57.52 | solar | remove udev and swap in mdev and the mdev.conf from the other build |
| 19:58.04 | ds2 | this problem sounds familiar |
| 19:58.17 | solar | then add yourself a tiny init script that simply calls mdev |
| 19:58.29 | solar | actually OE has a mdev build all by itself I think |
| 19:58.29 | prpplague | solar: there are other issues as well |
| 19:58.46 | solar | such as? |
| 19:59.22 | prpplague | dbus is crashing, the network setup is locking up, and the update-modules script hangs |
| 19:59.47 | solar | for the sake of testing. Does swapping in another binary dbus help? |
| 19:59.58 | prpplague | haven't gotten that far yet |
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| 20:18.44 | CosmicPenguin | BTW - happy repeal day |
| 20:19.06 | prpplague | ?? |
| 20:21.37 | CosmicPenguin | oh, dude - seriously |
| 20:21.57 | chouimat|work | ?? |
| 20:23.43 | CosmicPenguin | the main page of wikipedia should give you sufficient clue |
| 20:53.52 | T0mW | kergoth, I see that openembedded.org has instructions as to how to setup development from git for the dev branch, but what if I want to use some other branch? |
| 21:07.39 | CosmicPenguin | You know its christmas when packages from amazon start showing up every day |
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| 21:26.53 | g1powermac_PB | CosmicPenguin: heh, I wish my daily amazon purchases were only seasonal ;-) |
| 21:28.48 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: must be nice to have the money to spend on daily amazon deliveries |
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| 21:30.12 | g1powermac_PB | really just doesn't buy stuff from any brick and mortar stores anymore, so most of my purchases are diverted to amazon nowadays |
| 21:31.42 | g1powermac_PB | with amazon prime free shipping deal, I can generally get stuff quite a bit cheaper |
| 21:32.03 | prpplague | that is assuming you have money, hehe |
| 21:32.13 | g1powermac_PB | hehe, true |
| 21:35.10 | prpplague | speaking of money, if anyone is interested, i have another littlechips board that is being retired |
| 21:35.45 | g1powermac_PB | what kind of board is that? |
| 21:41.03 | prpplague | g1powermac: http://littlechips.com/sbc_main.htm with a vga display |
| 21:41.28 | prpplague | actually it is this one - http://littlechips.com/LN2410SBC_TFT.htm |
| 21:42.18 | g1powermac_PB | thats a nice little board |
| 21:42.27 | g1powermac_PB | but prolly too much for me atm |
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| 21:43.16 | prpplague | g1powermac: i was going to ask $150 |
| 21:44.01 | g1powermac_PB | oh |
| 21:44.27 | g1powermac_PB | hmm |
| 21:45.10 | g1powermac_PB | that sure is a nice board |
| 21:45.52 | g1powermac_PB | prpplague, can you hold it till mondayish? |
| 21:46.02 | prpplague | yea |
| 21:46.15 | g1powermac_PB | need to see if I can scrap up the cash |
| 21:46.51 | prpplague | g1powermac_PB: np |
| 21:47.18 | g1powermac_PB | I could use that for quite a few interesting projects |
| 21:47.37 | g1powermac_PB | thanks |
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| 22:16.51 | prpplague | g1powermac_PB: need to put up all my nasa documents up on ebay |
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| 22:24.42 | MonMotha | prpplague: suppose I had a largeish amount of data that I needed to accept via DMA or similar and potentially serve up via ethernet (HTTP) or dump to an SD card. Any suggestions? Linux would likely be preferable. |
| 22:28.21 | T0mW | wonders if he should put his old cape canaveral badge on ebay? |
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| 22:36.32 | prpplague | MonMotha: hmm |
| 22:36.37 | prpplague | MonMotha: let me ponder that |
| 22:37.18 | prpplague | MonMotha: i think i would first look at the usb->vga adapters, to see how they are handling it |
| 22:39.25 | prpplague | MonMotha: depending on quickly and how much data, you'd probably run into buffer overruns fairly quick |
| 22:41.14 | prpplague | MonMotha: if your devices has any TCM, might be good to dedicate that as you buffer space |
| 22:41.59 | MonMotha | prpplague: well, I would get to choose the micro here, so that can help |
| 22:42.06 | MonMotha | Obviously DMA is likely a must |
| 22:42.33 | prpplague | MonMotha: where is the data coming into the dma from? |
| 22:42.38 | MonMotha | the AT91SAM9263, as quirky as it is, actually looks like a decent candidate (and I've used it before), since it has two memory busses, internal SRAM, internal TCM |
| 22:42.59 | MonMotha | prpplague: well, I don't have the datasheet on the part yet, so I don't have a ton of info, but it's a video encoder |
| 22:43.10 | prpplague | MonMotha: ahh |
| 22:43.23 | MonMotha | I'd expect a few dozen Mbps worth of data |
| 22:43.28 | MonMotha | it's several streams |
| 22:43.29 | prpplague | MonMotha: then i would definetly look at the usb->vga adapter drivers |
| 22:43.58 | prpplague | like a 4 camera security item? |
| 22:44.06 | MonMotha | bingo :) |
| 22:44.31 | MonMotha | the MCU will at least only have to deal with the compressed video, not the uncompressed |
| 22:44.58 | MonMotha | if I can get all the DMA to work out, then this isn't too bad |
| 22:45.08 | MonMotha | but it's a question of "can I do this using nothing but DMA" |
| 22:45.09 | prpplague | MonMotha: should be able to also look at how some of the video capture cards are handling the data as well |
| 22:45.54 | prpplague | should be able to, but i think it is going to require some detailed testing and coding |
| 22:46.44 | MonMotha | indeed |
| 22:46.45 | prpplague | should be fairly similar to audio codec recording |
| 22:47.13 | MonMotha | I have a feeling there will be a rather complicated kernel module to handle it |
| 22:47.16 | prpplague | MonMotha: how much time have you got to complete it? |
| 22:47.36 | MonMotha | prpplague: we don't have the project yet, so no idea |
| 22:47.41 | MonMotha | this is a planning thing |
| 22:47.43 | prpplague | ahh |
| 22:48.27 | MonMotha | I just know that some of the modern "big ARMs" do have facilities to shovel around a lot of data |
| 22:48.43 | prpplague | indeed |
| 22:48.43 | MonMotha | crossbar switches for DMA seem very popular |
| 22:49.27 | MonMotha | I think the datasheet for that Atmel part claims in excess of 20Gbps |
| 22:49.35 | prpplague | nice |
| 22:50.42 | MonMotha | yeah, they went all out |
| 22:51.06 | MonMotha | almost every onboard peripheral has DMA, there are two external busses, internal SRAM, internal boot ROM, internal TCM |
| 22:51.15 | prpplague | MonMotha: most of the boards i know of are x86 pci style devices |
| 22:51.25 | MonMotha | yes; we're trying to move away from that |
| 22:51.33 | prpplague | MonMotha: for compressed video that is |
| 22:51.36 | MonMotha | it's expensive, power hungry, and has reliability issues |
| 22:51.41 | prpplague | indeed |
| 22:52.17 | prpplague | MonMotha: i'm thinking you might want to look at how the miniLA was done |
| 22:52.38 | MonMotha | FPGA :) |
| 22:52.57 | prpplague | http://www.elinux.org/Mini_LA |
| 22:53.35 | prpplague | MonMotha: well not nessarily a fpga, but using some highspeed ram to store the data, then buffer it off |
| 22:53.51 | MonMotha | prpplague: I think I can get the data into RAM, but it's a matter of then getting it back out to where it's useul |
| 22:53.56 | MonMotha | i.e. to SD card or ethernet |
| 22:54.16 | MonMotha | anyway, I need to get going |
| 22:54.23 | prpplague | MonMotha: np, later |
| 22:54.38 | prpplague | MonMotha: give me a shout if you need a sounding board for ideas |
| 22:55.14 | prpplague | goes home too |
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| 23:43.47 | joe_bleau | "prpernator"? Did someone change this to another type of chat root? |
| 23:44.03 | prpernator | hehe |
| 23:44.10 | prpernator | prpplague + terminator |
| 23:44.58 | joe_bleau | Yeah, whatever, but it sounds like a screen name from the catch a predator show too... |
| 23:45.20 | prpernator | ahh |
| 23:46.28 | joe_bleau | Now see, "programme" makes you sound french. |
| 23:46.38 | joe_bleau | (Not that there's anything wrong with that...) |
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| 23:53.41 | purple-devr | joe_bleau: hehe |
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| 23:54.46 | das_plague | searches the online job postings |
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