| 00:13.36 | prpplague | solar: yea, well i'm just plain confused these days about where my professonal life is going |
| 00:14.35 | solar | kinda thinks the same about his carrier and is losing nearly all interest in it. |
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| 00:15.26 | prpplague | kergoth: boo |
| 00:15.43 | prpplague | kergoth: just carrier stagnation |
| 00:15.52 | kergoth | gets home |
| 00:23.21 | prpplague | solar: my problem is i'm totally out of touch with how to be a brutal office politics playing @#$%@# |
| 00:31.21 | solar | well I'll race ya. Lets see if I get off my butt and out of the country looking for a new job before ya do. |
| 00:35.27 | prpplague | hehe |
| 00:35.44 | joe_bleau | Yes! I think I just nailed bunnie's latest "name that ware" blog contest. |
| 00:35.46 | prpplague | solar: lots and lots of need for a server guru in barbados |
| 00:35.59 | prpplague | joe_bleau: ?? |
| 00:36.22 | joe_bleau | http://www.bunniestudios.com/wordpress/ |
| 00:36.49 | joe_bleau | .He's the guy behind chumby. |
| 00:38.07 | ds2 | is bardados part of NAFTA? |
| 00:38.16 | solar | prpplague: my problem is I'm kinda at the top of my game already. Not many places for a geek to go after making it to the silicon valley |
| 00:38.33 | ds2 | solar: it is all downhill from here :/ |
| 00:38.41 | solar | thats probably what keeps you here as well ds2 |
| 00:38.48 | MonMotha | I'm not a fan of CA. Cost of living is too high |
| 00:38.54 | ds2 | solar: *nod* |
| 00:38.58 | MonMotha | though the weather is acceptable |
| 00:39.07 | MonMotha | it's at least still double digits here :) |
| 00:39.16 | MonMotha | (21F) |
| 00:39.30 | ds2 | hehe |
| 00:39.33 | solar | MonMotha: yes the the pay out in this direction sorta makes up for the COL problem. |
| 00:39.39 | solar | 50F here :) |
| 00:39.42 | ds2 | -21F is also double digits ;) |
| 00:39.59 | ds2 | solar: uh... it was 32F last night! |
| 00:40.21 | MonMotha | solar: I worked it out, and I'm better off here making what I make than what I would be able to get in CA |
| 00:40.43 | solar | ds2: that explains why I look out the window and see snow over in the hills on the peaks |
| 00:41.05 | solar | well this morn I did. Does not look like anything is left now |
| 00:41.19 | solar | MonMotha: you are in the midwest? |
| 00:41.23 | MonMotha | solar: yes |
| 00:41.23 | ds2 | solar: those peaks are further out... I drove out to Henry Coe park yesterday and there was no snow there :( |
| 00:42.02 | g1powermac_PB | ds2: you should have driven out here, we had 4" ;-) |
| 00:42.23 | ds2 | MonMotha: I would move back to the midwest but the last I check it was a pain finding stuff there |
| 00:42.23 | solar | I was out in the japanese friendship garden on sunday freezing more than I care for. |
| 00:42.35 | MonMotha | ds2: well, I am having that trouble right now... |
| 00:42.38 | ds2 | g1powermac_PB: can't afford the gas ;) |
| 00:42.58 | g1powermac_PB | give it a few more weeks, should be $1 a gallon in January ;-) |
| 00:43.20 | ds2 | I think I can get to like the area 100 miles away from Gary.... |
| 00:43.37 | g1powermac_PB | crude oil dropped below $40 a barrel today. . . |
| 00:43.38 | MonMotha | ds2: that's almost exactly where I am |
| 00:43.44 | ds2 | g1powermac_PB: at the rate this is going, I will be living in the vehicle, gasless come Jan |
| 00:43.59 | g1powermac_PB | hmm, that ain't good |
| 00:44.11 | ds2 | MonMotha: I grew up in Chicago so I know that area reasonably well |
| 00:44.25 | MonMotha | ds2: ah, so you're on the other side of Gary, IN :) |
| 00:44.31 | MonMotha | I'm in the Fort Wayne, IN area |
| 00:44.46 | g1powermac_PB | ahh, you're both hoosiers |
| 00:44.47 | ds2 | MonMotha: Yep. In the southside...that's enough of a taste of Gary |
| 00:45.06 | ds2 | g1powermac_PB: No... I'm from IL |
| 00:45.15 | g1powermac_PB | ahh |
| 00:45.45 | g1powermac_PB | ds2: what happened with your governor over there? :-) |
| 00:45.58 | MonMotha | Blasonofabitch? |
| 00:45.59 | ds2 | g1powermac_PB: waiting for the chair ;) |
| 00:46.09 | g1powermac_PB | MonMotha: hehe |
| 00:46.10 | ds2 | my last governor was Edgar |
| 00:46.41 | g1powermac_PB | ds2: isn't like the last 5 out of 8 governors of IL have been imprisoned or something? |
| 00:47.19 | ds2 | didn't think it was that many... Thompson and Edgar wasn't |
| 00:48.17 | g1powermac_PB | I'm surprised our last governor wasn't impeached or imprisoned or something |
| 00:48.54 | ds2 | guess that's the difference... in CA, they just recall them and insert a terminator |
| 00:49.07 | g1powermac_PB | it was a big scandal involving the governor appointing people as favors instead of appointing them as experts for the job |
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| 01:23.05 | prpplague | solar: hehe, sure there is! how about an online gaming site or pr0n site in a sunny west indian island? |
| 01:23.23 | prpplague | solar: talk to dijenerate , he is living large in barbados |
| 01:23.38 | prpplague | points to dijenerate |
| 01:25.02 | solar | checks the exchange rate |
| 01:25.11 | joe_bleau | Do you have to grease the politicans' palms to keep things running down there? |
| 01:26.11 | prpplague | joe_bleau: not so much in barbados, but yea, i have in the past for customs |
| 01:26.29 | prpplague | solar: barbados is fixed for a 2:1 ratio to the US dollar |
| 01:26.36 | solar | (BBD) = 0.49505 US Dollar |
| 01:27.04 | solar | about the same as the RR and NZD |
| 01:27.12 | prpplague | solar: yea thats bank oriented, but for all practical purposes people do the exchange 2:1 |
| 01:28.14 | prpplague | it would be a sweet dream to pull together a bunch of developers as a startup like openhand |
| 01:29.29 | solar | they are an independent country right? Not under UK/US/UN rule? |
| 01:29.54 | prpplague | yea 35 years independent iirc |
| 01:30.12 | prpplague | former UK colony |
| 01:30.49 | prpplague | solar: dijenerate is from canada but lives and does biz there in barbados |
| 01:31.39 | solar | wiki backs up what you say. Around 1966 it broke away from the british colonial rule |
| 01:31.46 | prpplague | solar: lots of corps use barbados as a corp headquarters to avoid lots of US taxes, so there are lots of banks, lots of accounting offices, lots of lawyers, and lots of servers |
| 01:32.20 | prpplague | solar: broke away isn;t really accurate, it was more like "given" its independence |
| 01:32.56 | prpplague | solar: the UK was in a bit of a financal crisis and didn't want to pay for alot of the expenses related to barbados |
| 01:33.43 | prpplague | solar: the UK still has a "ambassador" style position there in barbados that has a strong influence in the government |
| 01:33.48 | solar | Did you experience much racism towards you? Guessing you kinda stick out like a sore thumb down there? |
| 01:33.57 | prpplague | solar: holy cow did i |
| 01:34.28 | prpplague | solar: truely it was like being black in the 1950's southern US |
| 01:34.28 | solar | sticking out. Or being on the reciving end of racism? |
| 01:35.04 | prpplague | solar: people cutting line, refusing to be served |
| 01:36.05 | solar | http://www.ascotadvisory.com/US_Dual_Citizenship.html (what motivated me) |
| 01:36.15 | prpplague | solar: they have a holiday weekend for emancipation holiday for the slaves, which of course is not a US holiday so i was traveling into the office to work, when i had a bunch of people bust out the windows in my car |
| 01:37.36 | solar | strict gun laws down there? |
| 01:38.02 | prpplague | solar: don't get me wrong, barbados is very upwards about such things, but think of it this way, barbados is like the US was about 20 years ago thinking about having a black president |
| 01:38.16 | prpplague | solar: i.e. having a white prime minister |
| 01:38.34 | solar | cuz somebody starts breaking windows. You are probably going to want to defend self with something more than a tire iron. |
| 01:38.45 | prpplague | solar: yea well you can't |
| 01:38.56 | prpplague | solar: you'll go to jail |
| 01:39.05 | solar | for self defence? |
| 01:39.16 | prpplague | solar: no such thing in most of the west indies |
| 01:39.33 | prpplague | solar: and the N word is punishable in barbados with 3 years prison |
| 01:40.00 | solar | broke that habbit 20+ years ago |
| 01:40.19 | prpplague | yea just making a point, the laws are very different, but you can get used to them |
| 01:40.32 | prpplague | solar: for example, the police can stop you for no reason |
| 01:40.52 | solar | shakedowns? |
| 01:41.07 | prpplague | not really, hehe, racial profiling |
| 01:41.44 | solar | take it you must of lived outside of the normal tourist areas |
| 01:41.59 | prpplague | solar: the license plates in barbados have very specific meanings, you can tell who is a tourist in a rental vehicle or one that is a resident |
| 01:43.13 | prpplague | solar: don't get me wrong, i loved living there, and if i could really do the type of work i love there, i would still be living there |
| 01:43.36 | prpplague | solar: one sec, let me get the google map link of my house there |
| 01:46.07 | prpplague | solar: http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&q=barbados&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=46.630055,79.101563&ie=UTF8&ll=13.064753,-59.50279&spn=0.003522,0.004828&t=h&z=18 |
| 01:46.25 | prpplague | solar: see the pool in the center, my house is directly to the left of it |
| 01:47.16 | solar | need a tinyurl bot in here :) |
| 01:49.31 | prpplague | solar: hehe |
| 01:49.40 | prpplague | solar: my mother in laws house - http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&q=barbados&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=46.630055,79.101563&ie=UTF8&ll=13.119116,-59.444752&spn=0.001761,0.002414&t=h&z=19 |
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| 01:52.52 | solar | did not like z=19 for some reason. |
| 01:53.11 | solar | 18 works, but I can't really tell which one you are talking about |
| 01:54.02 | prpplague | solar: yea i wish google maps had a means of placing a marker |
| 01:54.25 | solar | don't see many boats in the water. It's very blue however :) |
| 01:54.58 | prpplague | http://tinyurl.com/428jeg |
| 01:55.02 | prpplague | try that one |
| 01:58.00 | solar | same thing. Refuses to let me zoom to that level. shrug how it's working for you. |
| 01:58.58 | prpplague | interesting |
| 01:59.19 | prpplague | that is odd |
| 01:59.52 | prpplague | http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&q=barbados&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=46.630055,79.101563&ie=UTF8&ll=13.178069,-59.47836&spn=0.006759,0.009656&t=h&z=17 |
| 02:00.03 | prpplague | my father in laws banana fields |
| 02:01.02 | prpplague | solar: try this one http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&q=barbados&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=46.630055,79.101563&ie=UTF8&t=h&ll=13.064722,-59.502726&spn=0.006762,0.009656&z=17 |
| 02:04.03 | solar | that is your house again |
| 02:05.04 | prpplague | solar: yea |
| 02:05.09 | prpplague | solar: http://www.nationlogic.com/ |
| 02:06.20 | solar | clearly they need an admin. http://www.nationlogic.com/jobs/index.asp |
| 02:06.44 | prpplague | hehe indeed |
| 02:06.57 | prpplague | the host about 50% of the islands websites |
| 02:09.42 | prpplague | solar: a friend of mine that is "managing direction" == "CTO" for sandy lanes makes a stagering sum of money |
| 02:09.49 | prpplague | http://www.sandylane.com/ |
| 02:11.50 | prpplague | solar: i have a wonderful peace of memory about sandy lanes, bill gates was staying there and my mother in law ran into him outside of the main house |
| 02:11.52 | solar | yikes. the ex-gf still calls me and bugs me all the time. Just now trying to talk me into moving into a place with her so I can save a 1000 a month on rent. Then she said 2 other roomates. |
| 02:12.09 | prpplague | solar: jeezes |
| 02:12.22 | solar | made it clear quick. I like living alone. |
| 02:12.54 | prpplague | solar: my mother in law said something to the effect "yes i know who you are and my son in who is a linux advocate hates you" |
| 02:12.58 | solar | did she throw a shoe at him ? |
| 02:13.00 | solar | :) |
| 02:13.10 | prpplague | pretty funny |
| 02:13.29 | prpplague | my other brush with famous was one day i was in a bar/grill having lunch |
| 02:13.50 | prpplague | and a bunch of "secret service" looking people came into the bar/grill |
| 02:14.12 | Crofton|work | urg |
| 02:14.27 | Crofton|work | http://www.sandylane.com/ratesreservations/rates.html |
| 02:14.31 | prpplague | after a few momments, low and behold, castro walks into the bar and sits down |
| 02:14.32 | solar | prpplague: would would a 2bdr house rent for about a month? |
| 02:14.50 | solar | s/would would/what would/ |
| 02:15.09 | prpplague | he was there for a cuban film festavile there in barbados |
| 02:15.28 | prpplague | solar: hehe with or with out A/C ? |
| 02:16.12 | prpplague | solar: you could get a freakin awesome place, for about $1000USD a month |
| 02:16.41 | prpplague | solar: main cost will be finding a car |
| 02:16.51 | prpplague | solar: cars are much more expensive there |
| 02:17.02 | prpplague | solar: best to buy one here, ship it there and pay the duty on it |
| 02:17.06 | solar | washer/dryer/ac/heat(if needed) etc. Stuff I'm used to |
| 02:17.29 | prpplague | solar: electricity is very expensive |
| 02:17.30 | solar | seems like it suited for a bike/motorcycle |
| 02:17.49 | prpplague | solar: you won;t be able to afford running A/C all the time |
| 02:17.52 | prpplague | solar: yea |
| 02:18.04 | solar | but they get lots of sun. I'm kinda into solar power. |
| 02:18.10 | prpplague | solar: indeed |
| 02:18.22 | prpplague | solar: most houses have solar water heaters |
| 02:18.53 | prpplague | solar: infact, barbados is the world leader in solar energy |
| 02:19.53 | prpplague | Crofton|work: those are the published ones, most of the ones like where tiger woods stays is about 100,000 a week |
| 02:20.15 | solar | how are they about outsiders working locally? IE not for a US company? One needs the equiv of a greencard to work? |
| 02:20.38 | prpplague | Crofton|work: they have 9 hole golf course that requires a membership purchase of 900,000 USD |
| 02:21.01 | prpplague | solar: not too bad, as long as you can prove a need, and for tech work it is no problems |
| 02:21.17 | prpplague | solar: help's if you are hooked up with a hot local |
| 02:21.51 | prpplague | solar: *cough* donna has about 1000 unmarried cousins |
| 02:22.13 | prpplague | solar: picture "my big fat greek wedding" |
| 02:22.15 | solar | I'll take 2 |
| 02:22.24 | prpplague | hehe |
| 02:22.54 | prpplague | solar: hehe that is my other dream business, taking computer geeks to barbados to find girls |
| 02:23.16 | prpplague | solar: the birth rate in barbados is 4 girls for every 1 boy |
| 02:25.42 | joe_bleau | What? That doesn't sound right at all. |
| 02:25.55 | solar | that sounds good. So right.. |
| 02:26.24 | JoeLlama | moo joe_bleau :) |
| 02:26.34 | g1powermac_PB | heh |
| 02:26.43 | JoeLlama | waits for his altera DE2 board :) |
| 02:26.50 | JoeLlama | I guess it would help if I filled the form out :( |
| 02:26.52 | joe_bleau | I'd be worried about the chemicals causing something like that. |
| 02:27.00 | JoeLlama | yeah |
| 02:28.47 | prpplague | joe_bleau: hehe |
| 02:29.17 | prpplague | joe_bleau: actually i blame it on the "brain drain", where most of the men who have lots of ambition leave the island and never return |
| 02:29.46 | prpplague | points to dijenerate as one of the few men who are ambitious who actually go to barbados |
| 02:30.03 | joe_bleau | That's a bit different from the birth rate. |
| 02:30.18 | prpplague | joe_bleau: not really when you think about it |
| 02:31.14 | prpplague | joe_bleau: if you equate darwinism with "survival of the strongest" the strongest are leaving the island and going to where they can better themselves, leaving inferior male stock |
| 02:32.14 | prpplague | i can name 20 or so of my wife's cousins, all women, and all who have only daughters |
| 02:32.54 | prpplague | i have to say, barbados is one of my favorite places on earth |
| 02:33.02 | prpplague | it is sooooo full of history |
| 02:33.07 | prpplague | good and bad history |
| 02:34.19 | solar | prpplague: nearly every place I've moved to as an adult has been sight unseen (state changes). First moved out to Oregon around 20. Never been there before. Stayed 8 years. Took a job in Savannah GA, also sight unseen. Then out here to Cali(never been here before either). But every time I move it's usually ~3000miles |
| 02:34.20 | prpplague | solar: another item i find very odd about barbados is most people really don't much about their history beyond their independence in 1966 |
| 02:35.02 | prpplague | solar: i knew more about the roads, the history, and stories of barbados than most of my in-laws |
| 02:36.16 | prpplague | solar: once i was my mother-in-laws car was in the shop and i took her home, we passed a road and i asked her "where does that go?" and she said "you know i've pass that turn since i was a child and never went there" |
| 02:36.32 | prpplague | and i'm like OMG, it's a freakin island, |
| 02:36.47 | prpplague | you are telling me in 60 years you never went down this road |
| 02:37.20 | prpplague | after that i asked alot of bajans, it was weird, alot of the people never went more than a few km's off their daily path |
| 02:37.47 | prpplague | oh lordy and don't ask for directions from a bajan |
| 02:38.14 | solar | GPS for the win |
| 02:38.17 | prpplague | 60% of the roads in barbados have no name or designation |
| 02:38.21 | prpplague | solar: no gps data |
| 02:39.10 | prpplague | solar: i always thought that doing gps mapping of the island tourist spots and selling gps navigators to the rental car places would be giangantic |
| 02:41.02 | Crofton|work | openstreetmap ... |
| 02:44.56 | MonMotha | prpplague: hey, if there's a steady paycheck involved, sign me up :) |
| 02:45.06 | solar | interesting http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bajan |
| 02:51.50 | prpplague | looks |
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| 02:52.49 | prpplague | solar: oh wow never saw that page before, but it is totally accurate |
| 02:53.38 | prpplague | hehe yea you here this one often "De higha de monkey climb tree, de more 'e show 'e tail." |
| 02:54.57 | prpplague | solar: i used to have my son chandler translate for me for the locals |
| 02:55.40 | solar | under body lang. Says ppl sometimes slap you on the hands when trying to get a point across? |
| 02:56.01 | prpplague | hehe i need to add one: onna == one and all |
| 02:56.01 | solar | how normal is that? |
| 02:56.13 | prpplague | solar: pretty normal there |
| 02:56.32 | prpplague | solar: and morning greetings "good morning" are REQUIRED |
| 02:56.51 | prpplague | solar: you don't greet someone and they friek out |
| 02:58.14 | solar | how hard of slapping of the hands? I've had a partial arthritis from childhood and it's only getting worse the older I get |
| 02:58.22 | prpplague | solar: you do know that "american pop star" rihanna is from barbados? |
| 02:58.37 | prpplague | solar: very very gently |
| 02:59.10 | prpplague | solar: rhinna fenty is my wife's cousin |
| 02:59.39 | solar | one of the unmarried 1k or the taking other 3k ? |
| 03:00.27 | prpplague | ~lart solar for not knowing who rhiana is |
| 03:00.27 | purl | holds solar to the floor and spanks him with a cat-o-nine-tails for not knowing who rhiana is |
| 03:00.44 | joe_bleau | Should we know who she is? |
| 03:00.53 | solar | images.google.com shows pleasing results however |
| 03:01.13 | prpplague | http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&hs=ZM9&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=1&ct=result&cd=1&q=rihanna&spell=1 |
| 03:01.31 | prpplague | joe_bleau: *cough* umbrella song ? |
| 03:01.45 | joe_bleau | *cough* never heard of it. |
| 03:01.50 | prpplague | joe_bleau: wow |
| 03:02.15 | joe_bleau | Hey, I'm old enough to remember when MTV and VH1 aired something known as a 'music video'. |
| 03:02.25 | solar | me either. But I don't follow pop or the mainstream media |
| 03:02.34 | joe_bleau | So it's unlikely I'm up to date with what I'm assuming is a recent pop song. |
| 03:02.37 | prpplague | joe_bleau: ok d00d, my 11 year son just asked "where the heck is that dude from he doesn't know the umbrella song?" |
| 03:02.52 | MonMotha | I don't know of the umbrella song |
| 03:03.00 | joe_bleau | Arkansas. |
| 03:03.01 | prpplague | holy cow |
| 03:03.02 | solar | we are all old |
| 03:03.08 | prpplague | joe_bleau: HAHAHHA |
| 03:03.13 | joe_bleau | ;-) |
| 03:03.43 | prpplague | ok soo, i;m old but i always listen in on the grammies |
| 03:04.06 | MonMotha | joe_bleau: MTV still shows music videos...on MTV14 |
| 03:04.17 | MonMotha | you need super duper expanded satellite to get it, of course |
| 03:04.21 | prpplague | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wr0uQrpkwZ4 |
| 03:04.25 | joe_bleau | Is that something like 'the ocho' from dodgeball? |
| 03:04.30 | MonMotha | 7 giant C-band dishes |
| 03:04.35 | joe_bleau | LOL |
| 03:04.40 | solar | make that 15 now. They probably changed it in the last few mins |
| 03:04.43 | prpplague | yea well get past the first 20 seconds of her producers rap |
| 03:05.39 | joe_bleau | I couldn't take it. Way too 'thug' for me. |
| 03:06.19 | prpplague | joe_bleau: ?? |
| 03:06.22 | solar | gives it a listen |
| 03:07.07 | prpplague | joe_bleau: there was a big stink because all the pop stations would not air the first 30 seconds of the song because of the "rap" portion |
| 03:07.30 | prpplague | joe_bleau: if you ignore that portion of it, it is a pretty decent song |
| 03:08.16 | joe_bleau | Speakers are busy, so I couldn't listen. But that thug dude scared me off. |
| 03:09.39 | prpplague | joe_bleau: just ignore that, he was the guy that discovered rhiana so he shoves all his crap on her music |
| 03:10.04 | prpplague | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xsRWpK4pf90&feature=related |
| 03:10.51 | solar | I like this version better http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G36ZEb0D6-4 |
| 03:12.08 | prpplague | solar: yea, thats the hollywood remix |
| 03:12.13 | solar | tends to like rap songs remixed with a bit of metal.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2rkCdUzifhE |
| 03:12.30 | joe_bleau | I saw the teardown of one of those cheap little RC helicopters in EE Times. Now that was interesting. |
| 03:13.01 | prpplague | theme song for a recent movie, but i can't recall which one - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4WAapKx2TvM |
| 03:15.25 | prpplague | if you haven't guessed, i have a very eclectic taste in music |
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| 03:18.21 | prpplague | ~lart keesj |
| 03:18.21 | purl | blames keesj for all the evil in the world |
| 03:19.21 | g1powermac_PB | there is no evil, there is no good, only two opposing forces. . . |
| 03:19.42 | g1powermac_PB | that is my philosophical statement of the day ;-) |
| 03:20.52 | g1powermac_PB | awaits a larting from prpplague ;-) |
| 03:21.23 | prpplague | g1powermac_PB: no larting from me i tend to agree |
| 03:21.43 | g1powermac_PB | ahh, good then :-) |
| 03:22.25 | g1powermac_PB | we were having a long conversation over that subject in ##microcontrollers |
| 03:22.31 | prpplague | just surprised at these hip geeks not keeping up with R&B atristists |
| 03:22.51 | joe_bleau | I'm hardly hip. More of the opposite, I guess. |
| 03:22.58 | g1powermac_PB | it really surprises me when we actually talk about microcontrollers in that channel. . . |
| 03:23.20 | ds2 | is rhiana still jailbait? |
| 03:23.28 | g1powermac_PB | me?! hip?! thats funny |
| 03:24.10 | prpplague | ds2: hehe , no yes is 19 |
| 03:24.15 | g1powermac_PB | wants to know if being a hip geek is really an oxymoron. . . |
| 03:24.59 | prpplague | ds2: hehe the last time my wife and rhiana were together they fought over a doll and pulled each others hair hair from the roots, hehe |
| 03:25.23 | g1powermac_PB | breaks out the lyrics to White & Nerdy from Weird Al ;-) |
| 03:25.34 | prpplague | g1powermac_PB: indeed it is, but if you are lucky you find a sweet thing, that gives you a clue every once and a while |
| 03:25.46 | prpplague | g1powermac_PB: hehe one of my favorites |
| 03:26.07 | g1powermac_PB | yup, I love weird al ;-) |
| 03:26.15 | prpplague | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-xEzGIuY7kw |
| 03:26.44 | g1powermac_PB | though before White & Nerdy, It's All About the Pentiums was my theme song ;-) |
| 03:27.44 | prpplague | g1powermac_PB: naw, amish paradise |
| 03:27.47 | g1powermac_PB | though its funny that some of the crazy computer specs mentioned in that song are slowly coming true |
| 03:27.58 | g1powermac_PB | especially the 40" screen |
| 03:28.25 | MonMotha | I have a flat-screen 40" monitor with connections suitable for a PC |
| 03:28.28 | g1powermac_PB | and 100gb of ram. . .that isn't that far away |
| 03:28.33 | MonMotha | I'd say that is fully true now |
| 03:28.49 | g1powermac_PB | prpplague: hehe, amish paradise is great too |
| 03:29.07 | prpplague | g1powermac_PB: it reall pissed alot of people off which was funnt |
| 03:29.12 | MonMotha | although I guess It's All About the Pentiums says "40 inches wide", but mine is 40" diagonal |
| 03:29.26 | g1powermac_PB | ahh, true |
| 03:29.29 | g1powermac_PB | prpplague: heh, yhea |
| 03:29.32 | prpplague | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GsfVw9xxoNY&feature=related |
| 03:30.13 | g1powermac_PB | MonMotha: hmm, close enough I'd figure :-) |
| 03:30.15 | MonMotha | I also still have a floppy drive, believe it or not |
| 03:30.28 | g1powermac_PB | has countless floppy drives |
| 03:30.44 | g1powermac_PB | but then again, I have countless amount of old computers. . . |
| 03:30.46 | MonMotha | g1powermac: well, you can certainly buy 46-52" 16:9 screens now that should be ~40" wide |
| 03:31.01 | MonMotha | g1powermac_PB: the PC I am presently using has a floppy drive |
| 03:31.10 | prpplague | what i find totally weird is all the bach organ videos on you tube, have time the artist looks like he is run a marathon after playing the complete piece |
| 03:31.19 | g1powermac_PB | MonMotha: and I got an external usb floppy attached to my iMac ;-) |
| 03:31.21 | MonMotha | I presume it still works... |
| 03:32.28 | g1powermac_PB | prpplague: that is weird |
| 03:33.04 | prpplague | ok so if you had to program with hands and your feet: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7QpwDHOfZeg |
| 03:33.04 | prpplague | \ |
| 03:34.15 | prpplague | most people have no clue that there is an entire keyboard on organs that are played with the feet |
| 03:35.19 | joe_bleau | Most? If most haven't looked at an organ, I guess... |
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| 03:36.24 | g1powermac_PB | gnight all |
| 03:45.59 | prpplague | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ipzR9bhei_o oh this dandy |
| 03:49.36 | joe_bleau | I don't like the sound of a pipe organ. |
| 03:49.45 | joe_bleau | I think they're really cool, having played around with some. |
| 03:50.09 | joe_bleau | But I wonder if my ears/head dislike the equal temperment scale. |
| 03:50.30 | joe_bleau | Walter/Wendy Carlos had a demo of additive synthesis with just intonation |
| 03:51.20 | joe_bleau | and it sounded *so* much better. The subharmonics were present, and the harmonics were in tune (obviously). |
| 03:51.20 | joe_bleau | Psycho-acoustics, maybe? |
| 04:01.38 | prpplague | joe_bleau: funny, i;m totally fascinated with large cathedral pipe organs |
| 04:03.26 | joe_bleau | I climbed around (and inside!) a mid sized pipe organ with 1960s era electronic playback. |
| 04:04.24 | joe_bleau | Seems like it had an open reel tape, but I have no idea how the data was encoded. |
| 04:04.44 | joe_bleau | More solenoids than you could shake a stick at, of course. |
| 04:05.56 | CosmicPenguin | just as long as you don't shake a magnet |
| 04:09.45 | CosmicPenguin | holy crap! |
| 04:12.56 | CosmicPenguin | http://www.fox.com/secretmillionaire/?src=home_page_whats_on_tonight# |
| 04:13.05 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: look at the bios - see anybody familar? |
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| 04:13.43 | CosmicPenguin | damn |
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| 04:16.00 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hmm, i don;t recognize anyone from their names |
| 04:16.09 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i do see "software" there |
| 04:16.34 | wmat | greg haerr? |
| 04:17.01 | wmat | microwindows |
| 04:17.27 | CosmicPenguin | couldn't be more amused |
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| 04:17.49 | wmat | is that who you were talking about? how do you know him? |
| 04:17.51 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: are you serious? |
| 04:18.19 | CosmicPenguin | I'm totally serious |
| 04:19.23 | CosmicPenguin | wmat: I was once a Microwindows hacker of some renown |
| 04:19.30 | wmat | ahhhh |
| 04:19.44 | prpplague | holy shite |
| 04:19.46 | CosmicPenguin | I worked at Century |
| 04:19.53 | wmat | CosmicPenguin: you should apply to that show ;) |
| 04:20.03 | wmat | maybe he's 'secret millionaire' you |
| 04:20.03 | CosmicPenguin | See, the thing is, I'm not a millionare |
| 04:20.06 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: jeeze |
| 04:20.30 | wmat | is he even a hacker at all? |
| 04:20.48 | wmat | or a business guy? |
| 04:21.35 | joe_bleau | Didn't it imply he was lead dev of microwindows? |
| 04:21.56 | wmat | it says "Chief Maintainer" |
| 04:22.20 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: jeeze, doesn;t that just want to make you vomit? |
| 04:22.25 | CosmicPenguin | acutally, he's a damn good hacker |
| 04:22.27 | prpplague | it does for me |
| 04:22.42 | wmat | ah, it's Nano-X now |
| 04:22.53 | prpplague | and it;s freakin dead |
| 04:23.11 | prpplague | he probably still leaves on the benefits of tinyterm |
| 04:23.15 | prpplague | lives |
| 04:23.40 | prpplague | is totally disgusted |
| 04:23.41 | wmat | http://gregoryhaerr.com/ |
| 04:23.55 | CosmicPenguin | actually, most of his money is elsewhere these days, I think |
| 04:26.00 | joe_bleau | Didn't the juicebox MP3 player app use nano-x? |
| 04:27.35 | CosmicPenguin | parts of it, I think |
| 04:27.45 | CosmicPenguin | he hacked a lot on juicebox |
| 04:37.36 | joe_bleau | So, why all the bad blood between the generous Mr. Haerr and prp? |
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| 04:43.51 | CosmicPenguin | In other Utah news, Mindshare is history |
| 04:47.37 | CosmicPenguin | http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/gizmodo/2008/12/297524main_image_1244_1600-1200.jpg |
| 04:47.40 | CosmicPenguin | damn - thats pretty |
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| 06:45.24 | JoeLlama | http://ejksdesktop.homelinux.com/univ/wet_pussy.jpg <--- Too Cool :) |
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| 13:09.16 | keesj | prpplague: is it lart and luser time again? |
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| 14:14.31 | T0mW | prpplague: good morning |
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| 14:35.50 | das_plague | heads to the office |
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| 14:49.37 | mnemoc | just 7 minutes? uh |
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| 14:50.17 | prpplague | mnemoc: actually it was less than that, i stopped to get a cup of coffee on the way to my desk |
| 14:51.30 | mnemoc | :) |
| 14:53.32 | prpplague | mnemoc: i'm only about 3 blocks from the office |
| 14:53.54 | mnemoc | nice |
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| 14:59.52 | prpplague | kergoth: ho ho ho, merry freakin thursday |
| 15:00.26 | kergoth | heh, dont remind me, its supposed to be friday, damnit |
| 15:00.32 | kergoth | damn slow week |
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| 15:17.20 | prpplague | keesj: hey, you made it any further on the beagle board jtag? |
| 15:32.07 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hey, is the type of ARM core you are using public info? |
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| 15:41.36 | prpplague | samrobb: greetings |
| 15:41.58 | samrobb | prpplague: Felicitations. |
| 15:42.14 | prpplague | samrobb: everytime i see your nick log in for some reason i think "rob zombie" |
| 15:42.42 | samrobb | 'Sam Robb Zombie' :-) |
| 15:42.59 | samrobb | Just found my new calling in life... er. Death. Whatever. |
| 15:43.44 | prpplague | hehe |
| 15:44.29 | samrobb | Oddly enough, I was just looking at this: |
| 15:44.31 | samrobb | http://logo.cafepress.com/1/1221917.6257881.jpg |
| 15:44.48 | samrobb | "Zombies: 100% Post-Consumer Human" |
| 15:45.16 | prpplague | hehe |
| 15:45.20 | prpplague | funny how that stuff works |
| 15:45.28 | chouimat | morning |
| 15:45.40 | chouimat | prpplague: saw this http://linuxdevices.com/news/NS2619037348.html |
| 15:46.03 | prpplague | chouimat: yea saw that yesterday |
| 15:46.07 | prpplague | chouimat: pretty sweet pricing |
| 15:50.12 | T0mW | WhooHoo! A Mr Olivia in Nigeria says that he has a check for $100,000 waiting for me! |
| 15:51.01 | prpplague | T0mW: nice, that should make a great xmas present |
| 15:53.00 | T0mW | prpplague: I think if I ask nicely, he might even have one for you too? |
| 15:53.15 | prpplague | T0mW: worth a try |
| 15:57.55 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: I'm not sure |
| 16:08.30 | CosmicPenguin | My house is full of cookies, but I can't eat any ofthem |
| 16:08.41 | CosmicPenguin | what did my friends and family do that was so great as to deserve all of my cookies? |
| 16:39.34 | prpplague | kergoth: ping |
| 16:40.47 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: ping |
| 16:40.51 | CosmicPenguin | hiya |
| 16:42.12 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hey i know i have asked this before, but i can't remember the answer, i've made some changes to the code for one of packages that i have built, how do i get oe to re-compile it without having it overwrite my code changes? just remove the compile stamp? |
| 16:42.25 | CosmicPenguin | you can do that |
| 16:42.27 | CosmicPenguin | I like to use force |
| 16:42.34 | CosmicPenguin | bitbake -o compile --force <package> |
| 16:42.43 | CosmicPenguin | that says, force the compile step |
| 16:42.58 | CosmicPenguin | the problem with that is that it may not create the package |
| 16:43.06 | CosmicPenguin | I think that removing the compile stamp does - but I'm not sure |
| 16:43.17 | CosmicPenguin | most of the time, I was worried about rebuilding code during debugging |
| 16:43.49 | prpplague | yea, thats what i'm getting at, i just need to do some tests, not really worried about packaging it |
| 16:44.34 | CosmicPenguin | yeah, use force then |
| 16:44.45 | CosmicPenguin | what I normally did was have a terminal open in the working directory - make my changes |
| 16:44.56 | CosmicPenguin | and then run the rebuild in a different terminal |
| 16:45.02 | CosmicPenguin | back and forth for great justice |
| 16:53.12 | CosmicPenguin | Anybody have 42 million dollars I can borrow? |
| 16:53.14 | CosmicPenguin | I want to buy a shuttle |
| 16:53.24 | CosmicPenguin | Best playhouse evah! |
| 16:53.50 | sunrunner20 | lol |
| 16:53.52 | sunrunner20 | new cat in the house |
| 16:54.13 | sunrunner20 | hasn't quite setteled w/ the other cats + has broken leg so we can't let him jump around |
| 16:54.30 | sunrunner20 | wanted on bed so i was like fine but i'm warning you normen is up there |
| 16:54.41 | sunrunner20 | *up* |
| 16:54.44 | sunrunner20 | *HISS* |
| 16:54.59 | sunrunner20 | (other cat) *HISS* (wants back down) |
| 16:55.45 | CosmicPenguin | so angry |
| 16:56.14 | kergoth | ? |
| 16:56.17 | sunrunner20 | they arn't angry, they're cats they're just terratorial |
| 16:56.25 | kergoth | hmmm |
| 16:56.59 | sunrunner20 | he didn't realize the other cat was already up there |
| 17:00.18 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: call your buddy greg |
| 17:05.38 | CosmicPenguin | heh |
| 17:07.15 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i didn't know that he did some juicebox work |
| 17:28.05 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: bitbake -o compile gives me an error about no flag type of -o |
| 17:28.45 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: did you mean -c ? |
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| 17:32.54 | kergoth | prpplague: yep, most likely |
| 17:38.50 | CosmicPenguin | doh - sorry |
| 17:38.51 | CosmicPenguin | yeah |
| 17:38.58 | CosmicPenguin | my mind is corrupted by another script that I'm working on |
| 17:40.42 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: np |
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| 18:46.41 | kergoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:46.46 | kergoth | kicks the spacebar |
| 18:47.02 | mnemoc | :) |
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| 19:51.05 | prpplague | crap crap crap |
| 19:51.17 | prpplague | nearly every gpe app has major problems |
| 19:51.40 | keesj | prpplague: no , no progress on beagle, I am little distracted again (by the Nail kit this time) |
| 19:52.23 | prpplague | keesj: hehe thats a good thing |
| 19:52.23 | prpplague | keesj: what are you cooking up with the nail board? |
| 19:52.36 | keesj | prpplague: but it would be good to respond to the last thread of dirk stating how far you did come , I understand you at least was able to enabled the taps |
| 19:53.04 | keesj | prpplague: currently trying to upgrade some of the components |
| 19:53.16 | prpplague | keesj: yea, i know, just been swampped with work |
| 19:53.24 | prpplague | keesj: what are you upgrading onboard? |
| 19:54.11 | keesj | I started with the bootloader as I don't know apex yet |
| 19:54.23 | keesj | next would be the kernel I guess |
| 19:54.47 | keesj | On a bare Hammer there is not much hardware to suppport :P |
| 19:55.17 | prpplague | keesj: ahh i thought you were replacing hardware |
| 19:55.31 | keesj | no no :p |
| 19:55.43 | prpplague | keesj: *cough* you do know i designed the hammer right ? |
| 19:56.02 | keesj | yep |
| 19:56.40 | keesj | also for some reason I have to use an older openocd to make it work so I might try to get that working again |
| 19:57.12 | prpplague | keesj: yea, the newer openocd is totally broken for alot of SoC's right now |
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| 20:03.31 | keesj | anyway I a going on holiday tomorow so I have to pack(sky + family) |
| 20:03.51 | keesj | I hope to have a few day's to hack but don't really count on it |
| 20:03.52 | prpplague | keesj: np, later |
| 20:05.23 | keesj | spending 1 or 2 hours a day on open-source stuff is not that rewarding in terms of lines of code |
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| 21:35.37 | prpplague | hmm something weird going on with my oe build |
| 21:40.13 | kergoth | gasp |
| 21:40.44 | prpplague | kergoth: tried to do: bitbake -c compile --force matchbox-panel |
| 21:40.51 | prpplague | kergoth: gave me all kinds of errors |
| 21:41.17 | prpplague | kergoth: i decided to try just doing: bitbake gpe-image |
| 21:41.19 | kergoth | if a package cant be compiled without re extracting or re cofniguring, its likely something that should be fixed, and you should open a bug |
| 21:41.28 | kergoth | a -c compile -f should work fine |
| 21:41.29 | prpplague | kergoth: and not it is redoing about 1000 tasks |
| 21:42.01 | prpplague | kergoth: ahh |
| 21:44.28 | prpplague | http://linuxdevices.com/news/NS8495134030.html |
| 21:44.50 | prpplague | that is exactly why i wanted the 8050 to have the exact same hardware layout as the freerunner |
| 21:45.08 | prpplague | so we could use all the community and commercial stuff available for the freeruner |
| 21:45.24 | prpplague | but noooooo, the EE decided he knew better |
| 21:45.36 | kergoth | :( |
| 21:50.28 | prpplague | hmm, there are some odd compile flags for the apps i'm having trouble with |
| 21:51.05 | prpplague | -fexpensive-optimizations -frename-registers |
| 21:53.30 | prpplague | http://www.nbcchicago.com/news/entertainment/Star-Trek-Majel-Barrett-Roddenberry-Actress-Death.html |
| 21:55.20 | g1powermac_PB | ponders why he is given every job that involves major complexity. . . |
| 21:55.57 | g1powermac_PB | just because I've written large, complex software doesn't make me a construction loan officer, dang it. . . |
| 21:57.27 | g1powermac_PB | I have determined that being a geek doesn't just make you prone to having people ask for computer help, they tend to ask for help for anything that is beyond their comprehension. . . |
| 21:57.50 | prpplague | g1powermac_PB: indeed |
| 21:58.10 | prpplague | g1powermac_PB: kind of like techno-mages on babylon-5 |
| 21:58.23 | prpplague | g1powermac_PB: people think it is some sort of black magic |
| 21:58.41 | g1powermac_PB | like this construction loan thing, I've never applied for one, have no experience in any of this mortgage/loan stuff, yet the parents hand it off to me to figure out |
| 21:59.16 | g1powermac_PB | yet, they have bought multiple homes throughout their life, and my mom is one course a way from being an accountant, dang it |
| 22:00.44 | g1powermac_PB | and construction loans are about four times as complicated as a standard mortgage |
| 22:01.30 | MonMotha | standard fixed mortgages aren't that complicated to begin with |
| 22:02.05 | prpplague | MonMotha: speak for yourself, i don't understand any of it |
| 22:02.16 | g1powermac_PB | MonMotha: I'm applying via FHA as a first time home owner to be used as a construction loan. . . |
| 22:02.52 | g1powermac_PB | plus add in the fact that I'd love to get into the EEM mortage type, as I'm planning this house to be super energy efficient |
| 22:03.40 | g1powermac_PB | (oh yea, its my parents house, but technically I'm owning it. . .long story on that reason) |
| 22:06.58 | MonMotha | FHA ones are a fair bit more complex |
| 22:07.05 | MonMotha | mostly just in documentation requirements, though |
| 22:08.26 | MonMotha | ARMs are also more complicated than a conventional N-year fied |
| 22:08.28 | MonMotha | *fixed |
| 22:15.26 | g1powermac_PB | the construction loan part is the thing that really complicates it |
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| 23:21.29 | ZeZu | if your going with anything adjustable, hopefully you have some good reason for it |
| 23:21.40 | ZeZu | pretty soon those rates are going to go through the roof |
| 23:22.35 | ZeZu | i'm talking out of my arena though, just my gut that tells me negative on anything they have the capabilities to change .. not like they are going to lower it for you |
| 23:25.05 | MonMotha | this is a great time for a fixed rate mortgage, yes |
| 23:25.14 | g1powermac_PB | yea |
| 23:25.15 | MonMotha | they're not likely to go down much more, and they have plenty of room to go up |
| 23:26.20 | MonMotha | anybody happen to know of any employment opportunities in the land of embedded? |
| 23:27.23 | g1powermac_PB | how far away from the land of embedded are you willing to go? ;-) |
| 23:31.00 | mnemoc | .oO |
| 23:32.19 | MonMotha | g1powermac: depends on how much money is involved |
| 23:33.07 | g1powermac_PB | money? hehe, well, guess you wouldn't want to work in our store then ;-) |
| 23:33.45 | mnemoc | =) |
| 23:34.07 | g1powermac_PB | though we really do need the help, one of our employees kinda quit on us ;-) |
| 23:34.26 | g1powermac_PB | and we do pay quite well for a retail store in Kentucky :-) |
| 23:36.01 | CosmicPenguin | Sounds like the start of a joke |
| 23:36.05 | CosmicPenguin | next, two of somethign are going to walk in |
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| 23:40.32 | g1powermac_PB | amazing. . .my one female dog just loves to tackle the male dog right onto his back, and pin him to the ground biting whatever piece of flesh she can get her mouth on. . . |
| 23:40.49 | g1powermac_PB | and she's about 3lb lighter that he is (both around 20lb) |
| 23:41.09 | archae0ptery1 | MonMotha: where are ou located |
| 23:41.30 | MonMotha | archae0ptery1: currently in Fort Wayne, IN |
| 23:41.35 | archae0ptery1 | Ok... |
| 23:41.51 | archae0ptery1 | how embedded is the land of embedded :) |
| 23:41.56 | g1powermac_PB | I've seen her drag him to the ground by the ear or neck |
| 23:42.23 | MonMotha | archae0ptery1: well, I mostly do hardware but I've also been known to write drivers and other low level software |
| 23:42.27 | g1powermac_PB | or even the face |
| 23:42.38 | archae0ptery1 | EE bg? |
| 23:42.43 | MonMotha | BSCpE |
| 23:42.51 | archae0ptery1 | ah. same. |
| 23:43.23 | archae0ptery1 | well we might be looking for a c/c++ program for bareboard / linux devel maybe in the next month |
| 23:43.45 | MonMotha | where at |
| 23:43.47 | MonMotha | ? |
| 23:44.09 | archae0ptery1 | sv but telecommute is fine |
| 23:44.13 | MonMotha | ok |
| 23:44.22 | MonMotha | contract type position, I take it? |
| 23:45.33 | archae0ptery1 | no, full time |
| 23:45.49 | MonMotha | oh |
| 23:45.53 | MonMotha | that works |
| 23:48.09 | MonMotha | archae0ptery1: got any contact info/job posting? |
