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| 14:48.52 | prpplague | ho ho ho, merry freakin monday |
| 14:55.05 | g1powermac_PB | yup, its monday |
| 14:55.29 | g1powermac_PB | few more days till the end of the insanity |
| 14:55.43 | g1powermac_PB | though really, sales haven't been good |
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| 15:24.13 | prpplague | ho ho hum |
| 15:24.47 | mnemoc | *yawn* |
| 15:24.49 | prpplague | lordy lordy i wish there were some wince people i could talk to |
| 15:25.09 | mnemoc | prpplague: tried at mozilla's ? |
| 15:25.34 | mnemoc | (good "morning") |
| 15:27.23 | prpplague | mnemoc: mozilla's irc net? |
| 15:27.33 | mnemoc | yes |
| 15:28.04 | prpplague | no i have not tried that one, i would not have thought they would have wince stuff there |
| 15:28.51 | chouimat|work | morning |
| 15:29.33 | mnemoc | prpplague: it's mozilla centric, but you can find wince developers there anyway |
| 15:29.47 | prpplague | mnemoc: ahh, i'll give it a try |
| 15:29.52 | prpplague | chouimat|work: greetings |
| 15:30.29 | prpplague | mnemoc: irc.mozilla.org ? |
| 15:30.33 | mnemoc | yup |
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| 15:41.48 | prpplague | mnemoc: nope, firefox on wince dev only, no one doing OS dev |
| 15:42.08 | mnemoc | :( |
| 15:44.09 | mnemoc | there only other place I can imagine then, are the channels of the irc clients for wince |
| 15:45.03 | prpplague | yea |
| 15:45.48 | chouimat|work | prpplague: how is the darkside? |
| 15:48.36 | prpplague | chouimat|work: slowly understanding it |
| 15:48.44 | prpplague | chouimat|work: just did a minimal kernel build |
| 15:48.52 | chouimat|work | prpplague: interesting |
| 15:49.18 | prpplague | chouimat|work: the wince5 eval kit doesn't have all the drivers i need |
| 15:49.55 | chouimat|work | prpplague: the tools are ok? |
| 15:50.15 | prpplague | chouimat|work: yea, i'm working with the olde wince5, the wince6 is alot nicer |
| 15:50.27 | prpplague | chouimat|work: both are very power hungry for pc |
| 15:50.51 | prpplague | chouimat|work: running a dual 2.4ghz box with 2gb ram and 400gb hd |
| 15:51.28 | chouimat|work | ouch |
| 15:51.38 | prpplague | chouimat|work: most of the other wince devr's i've talked to use a VM to run the actual build, so if it crashes, it doesn't take down the pc |
| 15:51.59 | chouimat|work | prpplague: I run all my winblows stuff in vmware |
| 15:52.00 | prpplague | i've been trying to ping scanlime with a couple questions about running vmware for this task |
| 15:53.38 | mnemoc | oh, /me didn't know CIA master was here |
| 15:54.21 | prpplague | mnemoc: ?? |
| 15:54.40 | prpplague | chouimat|work: i very puzzled about some of the dependencies |
| 15:54.45 | mnemoc | isn't scanlime the author of the CIA thing? |
| 15:55.27 | mnemoc | http://cia.vc <--- yes, bottom line, he is :) |
| 15:57.34 | chouimat|work | prpplague: vmware? |
| 15:58.02 | prpplague | chouimat|work: scanlime works for VMWare |
| 15:58.49 | chouimat|work | prpplague: virtualbox is good too and it's opensource but if you need usb support you need the free "commercial" one |
| 15:58.49 | prpplague | mnemoc: ahh, i had not seen that before |
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| 17:33.51 | prpplague | doh hosed up my wince5 platform builder |
| 17:34.23 | prpplague | "There is no way to revert back to a clean tree once you've done a (Re)Build and (Clean) Sysgen. The only way is to completely remove Windows CE and reinstall." |
| 17:35.05 | prpplague | and me being a newbie at this, i selected "build and sysgen" |
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| 17:46.46 | mnemoc | why do they have an option to destroy your tree? |
| 17:46.53 | mnemoc | it's absurd |
| 17:50.09 | prpplague | mnemoc: apparently it is an option used by the MS wince dev team, but for some reason, they've left it in the menu for both wince5 and wince6 |
| 17:51.28 | mnemoc | and the secrecy involved doesn't allow them to post how to revive the tree civilizedly |
| 17:51.50 | prpplague | yea apparently |
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| 18:30.47 | prpplague | ho ho hum |
| 18:30.58 | prpplague | this wince dev is taking some real getting used to |
| 18:31.51 | mnemoc | but a new skill for the CV :) |
| 18:32.20 | prpplague | mnemoc: CV? |
| 18:32.22 | prpplague | oh wait |
| 18:32.28 | prpplague | that is like a resume in the states |
| 18:32.36 | archae0pteryx | Does anyone here have experience with IntegrityOS? |
| 18:33.03 | prpplague | archae0pteryx: doesn't ring a bell, that a rtos? or a distro name for a linux based item? |
| 18:33.23 | chouimat|work | http://www.ghs.com/products/rtos/integrity.html ? |
| 18:33.25 | mnemoc | prpplague: yes, a resume |
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| 18:34.50 | archae0pteryx | chouimat: yes that is what I'm talking about |
| 18:35.07 | prpplague | archae0pteryx: ahh green hills |
| 18:37.42 | Crofton|work | is not rich enough to afford an Integrity dev license |
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| 19:12.45 | prpplague | ~lart beewoolie |
| 19:12.45 | purl | pours gasoline all over beewoolie, ignites the fire, and then enjoys some toasty marshmallows with the glorious blaze |
| 19:15.03 | beewoolie | prpplague: Phooey! Marshmallows are bunk without chocolate. |
| 19:15.18 | prpplague | hehe |
| 19:31.54 | archae0pteryx | had never planned on attending burning man |
| 19:35.44 | mnemoc | http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS8442724020.html?kc=rss <--- eink using s3c2440 :) |
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| 20:42.47 | prpplague | ~seen landley |
| 20:42.48 | purl | landley <n=landley@cpe-70-116-30-223.austin.res.rr.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #uclibc, 6d 12h 46m 40s ago, saying: 'You don't usually notice because the datestamp is also usually the epoch. In this case, since /dev/null existed diff -u gave it a real datestamp...'. |
| 20:45.16 | mnemoc | i think he has been here after that gnu patch issue |
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| 21:30.33 | prpplague | ho ho hum |
| 21:30.42 | prpplague | so much free time, so little to do |
| 21:30.43 | prpplague | :( |
| 21:31.18 | prpplague | this will be the longest i've ever been on holiday |
| 21:31.52 | prpplague | a full 16 days |
| 21:32.03 | mnemoc | envies prpplague |
| 21:32.23 | prpplague | i've never had so many days off |
| 21:33.33 | mnemoc | i wont have any :\ |
| 21:35.15 | wmat | prpplague: will you be online for those 16 days? |
| 21:35.47 | wmat | prpplague: 'cause I'd like to tackle some elinux.org stuff over the holidays and would appreciate bouncing ideas off of someone |
| 21:36.34 | prpplague | wmat: yea on and off |
| 21:37.13 | prpplague | wmat: be happy help, i'm very used to people throwing stuff at me, usually just excrement |
| 21:38.29 | wmat | prpplague: well, luckily I can't fling poop as far as Texas |
| 21:38.39 | wmat | but I'll likely spew some bullshit here and there |
| 21:39.00 | wmat | first order of business will be bringing Mediawiki up to current |
| 21:41.40 | prpplague | wmat: to what end? security? |
| 21:42.58 | wmat | prpplague: there are some features in newer versions that are useful |
| 21:43.15 | wmat | like being able to follow the whole site at once, etc. |
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| 21:49.45 | prpplague | ahh ok, as long as there is good reason other than just for the heck of it |
| 21:55.29 | prpplague | wmat: maybe one day i'll get brave and open up me an embedded computing consulting company |
| 21:55.46 | prpplague | wmat: from what i can tell, alot of these "bsp" companies are pretty profitable |
| 21:55.54 | archae0pteryx | like who? |
| 21:58.00 | likewise | prpplague: Yeah, we should be a braver bunch. |
| 21:58.34 | prpplague | archae0pteryx: bsquare, a2c, aveneo , econ |
| 21:58.53 | wmat | prpplague: yep, I don't believe getting business would be too difficult. It's getting paid that's usually annoying. |
| 21:58.57 | archae0pteryx | Hah, econ is coming to demo for us in an hour |
| 21:59.21 | archae0pteryx | who do you guys like |
| 21:59.52 | wmat | who's econ? |
| 22:00.31 | archae0pteryx | http://www.e-consystems.com/ |
| 22:01.13 | archae0pteryx | Though we're interested in HW mostly |
| 22:06.09 | prpplague | archae0pteryx: a2e is who we are using right now for the wince stuff |
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| 22:07.42 | archae0pteryx | ok. I'm more interested in linux and while I see they do it I imagine support can vary wildly OS to OS |
| 22:09.13 | prpplague | archae0pteryx: yea, a2e does linux as well, and they are pretty knowledgeable about both wince and linux |
| 22:09.52 | archae0pteryx | prpplague: thanks for the tip, we know about the big guys but haven't looked too much |
| 22:11.04 | prpplague | econ just didn't give me a warm fuzzy feeling |
| 22:13.55 | archae0pteryx | Know what it was? |
| 22:19.27 | CosmicPenguin | no reach around |
| 22:19.31 | CosmicPenguin | wanders off |
| 22:32.45 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: wow that was out of no where |
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| 22:34.40 | CosmicPenguin | thank you |
| 22:39.28 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: is that with regards to doing wince dev? |
| 22:39.37 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: or directed towards me? |
| 22:40.20 | L_Deluxe | I just figured it was one of those jokes of the "that's what she said" variety. |
| 22:40.22 | CosmicPenguin | it was a joke |
| 22:40.27 | CosmicPenguin | so angry! |
| 22:41.43 | prpplague | ahh ok |
| 22:41.55 | prpplague | has no sense of humor any more |
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| 23:32.23 | jc | hello, anybody familiar with -mfpu gcc options? do you know which one would be most meaningful with softfloat ? I'm really having a hard time finding a comparison or docs for them, thanks for any answers |
| 23:32.31 | jc | for ARM |
| 23:33.15 | solar | jc: it depends on your device in question |
| 23:33.59 | jc | solar: its a neo freerunner, its a ARM920T with armv4t and I'm compiling for thumb default with aapcs-linux abi |
| 23:34.08 | solar | brb I'll show ya |
| 23:34.09 | jc | it has no hw fpu |
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| 23:50.39 | g1powermac_PB | hey prpplague |
| 23:52.49 | jc | solar: ok, thx |