| 00:00.31 | Madsy | It can emulate the versatile evaluation board, to name one. |
| 00:00.44 | Madsy | Which I think is StrongARM |
| 00:00.58 | wmat | Madsy: I suppose if someone really cared about a RTC, they wouldn't bother with emulation |
| 00:01.01 | g1powermac_PB | argh. . .third ac/dc power adapter for my laptop died |
| 00:01.25 | Madsy | wmat: Why not? |
| 00:02.18 | wmat | because reference hardware is safer |
| 00:02.33 | wmat | and cheap, in ARM's case |
| 00:02.52 | Madsy | I don't buy that it's unfeasible to emulate an RTC. It's certainly possible and still get good results. |
| 00:03.11 | Madsy | However, ARM evaluation boards are cheap, sure. |
| 00:03.14 | wmat | I didn't say it wasn't feasible |
| 00:03.48 | Madsy | No, you said if someone cared about timing, they would use a real system over emulation. And I don't see why :-) |
| 00:04.37 | wmat | because emulations current RTC state vs. the low cost of real hardware doesn't warrant bothering with emulation, is all |
| 00:05.02 | wmat | i'm just lazy |
| 00:05.09 | JohnnyL | Madsy can I run qemu under cygwin (lol)? |
| 00:05.41 | JohnnyL | wmat what if your arm platform doesn't have a keyboard? |
| 00:06.25 | Madsy | JohnnyL: I guess, but why would you do that? There are Windows binaries available. |
| 00:06.28 | Madsy | Pre-built |
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| 00:07.17 | wmat | JohnnyL: I don't understand your question |
| 00:07.44 | JohnnyL | wmat: there are ARM platforms without keyboards, no? |
| 00:07.55 | JohnnyL | Madsy oh ok, didn't know. |
| 00:07.56 | JohnnyL | thanks |
| 00:08.00 | wmat | that would be all of them |
| 00:09.28 | Madsy | JohnnyL: ARM is just a CPU architecture. It doesn't imply anything regarding peripherals. |
| 00:10.08 | JohnnyL | Madsy about the emulator: Cool! |
| 00:10.08 | JohnnyL | Madsy yah |
| 00:10.11 | Madsy | ARM CPU designs are licensed to other manufacturers which makes System-on-a-chip's and boards. They could include whatever peripherals they see fit. |
| 00:10.16 | Madsy | Including a USB host :-) |
| 00:10.28 | Madsy | Voila, you can attach a keyboard. |
| 00:11.34 | Madsy | As for evalution boards, it's certainly possible, if the board has an USB or RS232 port. |
| 00:59.06 | JohnnyL | what does ARM stand for? |
| 01:00.36 | Madsy | Advanced RISC Machine |
| 01:01.03 | JohnnyL | ah ok |
| 01:01.04 | Madsy | But people just call it ARM like it's a name, not an abbreviation. |
| 01:01.05 | JohnnyL | much thanks |
| 01:01.13 | Madsy | Because ARM Ltd is also name of the company. |
| 01:01.21 | Madsy | the name* |
| 01:02.11 | JohnnyL | ok |
| 01:25.18 | Mirell | Hmm.. |
| 02:06.35 | JohnnyL | hi Mirell |
| 02:07.43 | Mirell | 'allo |
| 02:30.25 | JohnnyL | are most ARM dev. environments gcc? |
| 02:53.49 | JohnnyL | Madsy ^ |
| 02:58.19 | solar | yes |
| 03:17.57 | Mirell | Grr. |
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| 04:22.24 | JohnnyL | have any of you had success in oiling noisy cpu fans? |
| 04:22.29 | JohnnyL | Mirell? |
| 04:32.21 | ds2 | no success |
| 04:36.57 | Redhatter | It's a temporary fix at best. |
| 04:37.17 | Redhatter | We've done it to PSU fans from time to time. It winds up easier to just replace the fan. |
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| 07:48.29 | Mirell | The "Grr" was for understanding what the heck OpenWRT/DD-WRT/whichever is going in packaging a kernel image |
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| 09:01.47 | damien | hi all |
| 09:02.22 | damien | a question, for those who know :) : I have a kernel panic if I make a rootfs > 1Mbit |
| 09:02.29 | damien | I use a tin can tools |
| 09:02.47 | damien | does anyone know how to solve this ? |
| 09:12.20 | damien | little bit more information, I have : invalid compressed format |
| 09:14.21 | Mirell | Alas, I think most people are asleep. |
| 09:28.45 | damien | lol |
| 09:29.03 | damien | I think that I found what can be the pb |
| 09:29.18 | damien | # copy $ramdisksrc $ramdiskaddr |
| 09:29.18 | damien | # copy nor:1280k+1024k 0x30800000 |
| 09:29.25 | damien | can be a problem... |
| 11:17.20 | Mirell | Good lord, why has the OpenWRT guys diverged so far from the mainstream kernel... |
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| 11:36.55 | Mirell | Progress! |
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| 13:30.35 | Mirell | Slow and steady progress.. |
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| 13:38.32 | Mirell | Got the kernel up, found the memory address for the flash, but failed to map it. |
| 13:38.58 | Mirell | It's sad I'm ecstatic about this much progress after 10 hours of work |
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| 15:14.33 | chouimat | morning |
| 15:42.25 | g1powermac | hey chouimat |
| 15:42.53 | chouimat | g1powermac: I took 4 days off ... which mean I'm off until the 5th |
| 15:43.00 | g1powermac | cool |
| 15:43.20 | g1powermac | just about the _fourth_ power adapter for my powerbook |
| 15:43.26 | g1powermac | the third one died last night |
| 15:43.43 | g1powermac | err, s/about/bought |
| 15:44.04 | chouimat | is wondering if he order the ram for his macpro ... 270$ for 2x4GB ... so 810 for 24GB |
| 15:44.26 | g1powermac | luckily the last two just stopped working |
| 15:44.34 | g1powermac | I loved how the actual apple power adapter died |
| 15:44.51 | g1powermac | it would have burnt down the building if I didn't catch it in time |
| 15:45.28 | g1powermac | the insulation around the DC end of the cable melted and smoked |
| 15:46.43 | g1powermac | the last two were just generic non branded adapters |
| 15:47.41 | g1powermac | it seems, even in death, apple has to make its products die in a spectacular way ;-) |
| 15:49.14 | chouimat | g1powermac: hehe |
| 15:49.47 | chouimat | g1powermac: I think I will put a nice 200GB IDE drive in the second optical bay of my mac pro |
| 15:50.11 | agaffney | they still make IDE drives? :P |
| 15:50.33 | chouimat | agaffney: it's old one ... I might simply put it in my p3/667 |
| 15:52.14 | chouimat | just got a crazy idea ... install maconlinux on his ps3 and boot osx in it ... |
| 15:53.07 | agaffney | that is indeed crazy |
| 15:53.30 | chouimat | agaffney: could be fun ;) |
| 15:53.41 | agaffney | the crazy ideas usually are |
| 15:54.33 | agaffney | I wrote an automated installer for gentoo linux that'll run in a pure busybox environment (except for mke2fs) |
| 15:54.37 | agaffney | *that* was crazy |
| 15:54.40 | agaffney | but it was fun to do ;) |
| 15:55.40 | chouimat | agaffney: I was thinking of hacking catalyst and/or metro so I can use cross-compile and/or qemu based userspace to compile for arm and ppc |
| 15:56.09 | agaffney | chouimat: I'm getting ready to start an in-depth overhaul of catalyst |
| 15:56.24 | chouimat | that would be nice |
| 15:57.01 | agaffney | the code is a mess after years and multiple chefs |
| 15:57.05 | agaffney | it's a pain to add any new features |
| 15:57.22 | agaffney | and I get the feeling it's going to break horribly with python-2.6 |
| 15:57.25 | agaffney | not to mention py3k |
| 15:57.28 | chouimat | agaffney: hehe |
| 15:57.38 | agaffney | there is a *lot* of legacy code |
| 15:57.55 | agaffney | and by that, I mean code that drobbins wrote 7 years ago |
| 15:58.05 | agaffney | and his python sucks to begin with |
| 15:58.30 | agaffney | maybe it's better now |
| 15:58.42 | agaffney | I haven't looked at the code for metro as much as he's been trying to shove it down my throat |
| 15:59.17 | chouimat | agaffney: I remember a "buildsystem" for an embedded firewall based on freebsd, the first version I had to use was designed for floppy and the guy wanted me to make it work with flash drive ... a nice mix of perl/makefile/shell ... adding a new feature to the product meant 2 to 3 weeks of development time :( |
| 15:59.42 | agaffney | heh |
| 15:59.47 | agaffney | catalyst isn't *that* bad |
| 15:59.49 | agaffney | but it's close :P |
| 16:01.40 | chouimat | agaffney: over the 5 or 6 years that I worked on the product I redesigned and rewrote from scratch the whole thing 3 times ... got to the limit of the technology I was using ... the last version is a lot more flexible ... and I own the code of it since the guy owed me a lot of money :) |
| 16:02.02 | agaffney | heh |
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| 21:05.00 | roger_ | ~seen prpplague |
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| 21:57.16 | das_plague | roger_: hey, you looking for me? |
| 21:57.57 | roger_ | prpplague: Howdy. It's ce_geek, just haven't gone and fixed my account name and such. |
| 21:58.09 | prpplague | roger_: ahh |
| 21:58.13 | prpplague | roger_: whats cookin? |
| 21:58.35 | roger_ | prpplague: Not much. Just trying to get back in touch for the most part. |
| 21:58.48 | prpplague | roger_: ahh ok |
| 21:59.04 | prpplague | roger_: how's the new job and such? |
| 21:59.15 | roger_ | prpplague: After an outrageously busy fall I'm going to try to help out a little with a C programming course my advisor teaches. Just wanted to make sure that good resources were still somewhat within reach :) |
| 21:59.45 | roger_ | prpplague: Job is awesome. Keeping me damn busy, especially with my long distance significant other, but i'm learning tons of good stuff. |
| 21:59.46 | prpplague | hehe, not sure how "good" the resources are |
| 22:00.16 | roger_ | prpplague: How are you? How's TCT? |
| 22:01.27 | prpplague | roger_: TCT is good, but the hammer isn't selling as fast as we expected |
| 22:02.05 | roger_ | prpplague: :( |
| 22:02.05 | prpplague | roger_: things at AML, my employer, are rocky, looks like they are going to shift towards windowsce for their new devices |
| 22:02.20 | roger_ | prpplague: Lovely. |
| 22:02.40 | prpplague | indeed, so i've been immersing myself in wince dev |
| 22:02.53 | roger_ | prpplague: Is it easier? Smaller learning curve for newbies? Better support? |
| 22:03.13 | prpplague | prpplague: you mean the reason for the switch? |
| 22:03.20 | roger_ | prpplague: Right |
| 22:03.44 | prpplague | roger_: naw, most of the Independent Software Vendors already have thick clients written to run on wince, not linux |
| 22:08.36 | roger_ | prpplague: Bummer. How have you found the adjustment? Painful or just different? |
| 22:11.27 | prpplague | roger_: not too bad |
| 22:11.41 | prpplague | roger_: alot of the driver structure is the same as in linux/bsd |
| 22:11.54 | prpplague | roger_: the build IDE is what i'm have trouble getting used to |
| 22:12.06 | prpplague | roger_: lots of left/right clicks and such |
| 22:13.23 | roger_ | prpplague: Yes, I think that's what would drive me bonkers the most. I am lucky that I found a job where I can use the tools I enjoy using, most of the time anyhow. |
| 22:13.33 | roger_ | prpplague: I'm in the anti-mouse club. |
| 22:13.58 | prpplague | indeed |
| 22:26.51 | roger_ | prpplague: Any interest from other universities that tested with the hammer? |
| 22:28.47 | prpplague | roger_: not really |
| 22:28.57 | prpplague | roger_: it never seemed to catch on for training |
| 22:29.11 | prpplague | roger_: seems most of the uni's are using a iMX board |
| 22:29.28 | prpplague | much more expensive and lots of bells and whistles |
| 22:31.50 | roger_ | prpplague: Grr.... I wonder how many of the bells and whistles actually get used, and how much glossing over the details happens. |
| 22:32.01 | roger_ | ~seen RobotGuy |
| 22:32.05 | purl | robotguy <n=robotguy@pool-96-225-210-142.ptldor.fios.verizon.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #edev, 9d 1h 16m 21s ago, saying: 'Mirell: Hi'. |
| 22:32.41 | prpplague | roger_: i think our main problem was that we didn't have enough example things, i.e. like connecting temp sensors and such |
| 22:35.59 | roger_ | prpplague: Hmmmn..... |
| 22:38.26 | roger_ | prpplague: Think it's too late? |
| 22:45.29 | Mirell | Hmm.. |
| 22:45.43 | Mirell | waves |
| 22:52.27 | Mirell | It's so cool now to actually have a job I stay up all night trying to troubleshoot an issue because it's "fun". |
| 22:53.28 | __mnemoc | better than staying up because you fill that if you don't keep your boss happy you will be soon jobless |
| 22:53.32 | __mnemoc | feel* |
| 22:53.47 | Mirell | __mnemoc: yowch |
| 22:54.30 | Mirell | __mnemoc: I went from solid job-security yet soul-draining, to more risky, yet I don't drink as much. |
| 22:54.44 | __mnemoc | ^_^ |
| 22:55.03 | Mirell | Just spent several hours thwacking at a Broadcom MIPSEL kernel image |
| 22:55.28 | Mirell | Got the darn thing to actually boot, find flash, then go, "I dunno want to do with this", and die. |
| 22:55.33 | Mirell | Significant progress. |
| 22:55.40 | __mnemoc | nice :) |
| 23:05.39 | prpplague | Mirell: hey bud |
| 23:06.10 | prpplague | roger_: never too late, but since i don't actually get paid for tincantools dev, my interest has somewhat lessened lately |
| 23:06.23 | prpplague | Mirell: how are things going with the new job? |
| 23:07.03 | roger_ | prpplague: I didn't know you didn't get paid for that. |
| 23:07.55 | prpplague | roger_: the person who owns AML also owns TinCanTools, but i'm officially an employee of AML |
| 23:08.05 | roger_ | ah |
| 23:08.08 | Mirell | prpplague: Well, I really don't like Broadcom, but it's fun |
| 23:08.20 | Mirell | That at kind of amazed at the OpenWRT folks |
| 23:08.20 | prpplague | Mirell: hehe, sjhill would agree with you |
| 23:08.25 | Mirell | *MERGE UPSTREAM* |
| 23:08.27 | Mirell | Geeze. |
| 23:08.54 | Mirell | Amusing thing is, Broadcom's corporate office is just down the street from Linksys. |
| 23:09.12 | prpplague | Mirell: you are coming from an "ideal" OSS experience, so many of the smaller project feel isolated from the ability to push patches upstream |
| 23:09.48 | Mirell | prpplague: Admittedly, it takes some vexing to get stuff submitted right to the LKML... |
| 23:09.58 | prpplague | Mirell: did you read the presentation from Andrew Morton at CELF i have you the url for? |
| 23:10.05 | Mirell | prpplague: Yeppers |
| 23:10.27 | prpplague | Mirell: that applies to small projects like OWRT just as well as companies |
| 23:10.54 | prpplague | Mirell: "this is what works" doesn't go well with the LKML crowd |
| 23:11.33 | Mirell | Hehe |
| 23:12.31 | __mnemoc | scrolls ack but can't find the link :( |
| 23:12.47 | prpplague | __mnemoc: for the AM celf presentation? |
| 23:12.57 | __mnemoc | prpplague: yes |
| 23:13.32 | prpplague | __mnemoc: i gave it to Mirell about 3 weeks ago, one sec for me to get it for you |
| 23:13.56 | Mirell | Just got setup with Paychex today |
| 23:14.12 | Mirell | Unfortunately, it appears most payroll places are stuck in the late 90s for online payroll, but oh well |
| 23:14.37 | prpplague | __mnemoc: http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS2083975586.html |
| 23:14.41 | prpplague | Mirell: indeed |
| 23:14.47 | __mnemoc | prpplague: thanks :) |
| 23:14.56 | prpplague | np |
| 23:15.16 | Mirell | Luckily, we can just give them "Pay Mark $3000, and take whatever is needed from that for taxes and crap" |
| 23:17.42 | prpplague | Mirell: fun fun |
| 23:17.56 | Mirell | Yah |
| 23:18.03 | Mirell | 'cause lord knows I don't want to deal with that |
| 23:18.32 | prpplague | Mirell: ha, i just started to type some english slang to ask how landley is handling all the new business responsibilities |
| 23:18.50 | prpplague | ~lart prpplague for living on barbados for too long |
| 23:18.51 | purl | whacks prpplague for living on barbados upside the head for too long |
| 23:18.51 | Mirell | prpplague: Shoving it onto me, of course. :D |
| 23:19.27 | prpplague | wow that really got butchered |
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