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| 00:39.39 | joe_bleau | Anyone play with Luminary parts recently? |
| 00:42.29 | prpplague | joe_bleau: yea, but she filed a harrasment law suit against me |
| 00:43.29 | wmat | joe_bleau: not lately, but I have before |
| 00:43.42 | prpplague | wmat: she sue you too? |
| 00:43.48 | joe_bleau | Didya use one of the ethernet parts? |
| 00:43.54 | wmat | prpplague: ?? |
| 00:44.02 | prpplague | oh wait are we talking about nudie bar girls or SoC's ? |
| 00:44.15 | g1powermac_PB | heheh |
| 00:44.16 | joe_bleau | I'm looking at the 3S8962 or 3S8970 |
| 00:44.22 | wmat | joe_bleau: can't remember exactly, an LM### or other |
| 00:44.37 | prpplague | joe_bleau: now, just the basic kit with OLED display |
| 00:44.38 | wmat | joe_bleau: what's the issue? |
| 00:44.41 | g1powermac_PB | prpplague: I bought some Samuel Smith Organic Lager today |
| 00:44.56 | joe_bleau | Curious about bugs, power consumption, bootloading, etc. |
| 00:44.58 | wmat | prpplague: we can talk about strippers if you like ;) |
| 00:45.08 | g1powermac_PB | the store didn't have the hard cider I bought last time |
| 00:45.13 | prpplague | g1powermac_PB: fun fun, i've always been disappointed to with samuel smith using clear bottles though |
| 00:45.19 | g1powermac_PB | enjoyed that stuff quite nicely |
| 00:45.22 | g1powermac_PB | clear? |
| 00:45.27 | wmat | brb |
| 00:45.33 | g1powermac_PB | both the cider and the lager are in brown bottles |
| 00:46.07 | prpplague | g1powermac_PB: most of the S.S. bottles are clear glass |
| 00:46.13 | g1powermac_PB | hmm |
| 00:46.24 | prpplague | hell even natural light uses brown bottles |
| 00:46.43 | g1powermac_PB | haven't seen them use clear yet |
| 00:46.56 | g1powermac_PB | and I spotted about three or four of their products at the store |
| 00:46.58 | prpplague | g1powermac_PB: oh? what color are the bottles? |
| 00:47.02 | g1powermac_PB | all brown |
| 00:47.13 | prpplague | hmm, they must have changed recently |
| 00:48.02 | g1powermac_PB | I was eyeing their winter brew today but decided to try the lager instead |
| 00:48.24 | prpplague | ho ho hum |
| 00:48.42 | prpplague | needs a new career direction |
| 00:49.48 | g1powermac_PB | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samuel_Smith_Brewery |
| 00:49.52 | Mirell | Huzzah, portage successfully compiled a package! Progress! |
| 00:49.53 | g1powermac_PB | all brown bottles |
| 00:50.27 | prpplague | g1powermac_PB: uh no |
| 00:50.35 | prpplague | g1powermac: that photo is of a clear bottle |
| 00:50.51 | g1powermac_PB | doh, yea, that one is |
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| 00:51.01 | prpplague | g1powermac_PB: look at the bottle of the bottle |
| 00:51.04 | g1powermac_PB | the other two aren't |
| 00:51.27 | prpplague | yea they are |
| 00:51.35 | prpplague | just the beer is so dark that it looks brown |
| 00:51.47 | prpplague | has had nearly ever SS bear |
| 00:51.49 | prpplague | beer |
| 00:51.51 | prpplague | doh |
| 00:52.12 | g1powermac_PB | the last one is most definitely not clear |
| 00:52.23 | prpplague | g1powermac_PB: personal joke, my wife pronounces the word beer as if it sounds like "bear" |
| 00:52.36 | g1powermac_PB | heh |
| 00:52.57 | prpplague | indeed the last one is brown |
| 00:53.25 | g1powermac_PB | and that second one sure looks brown to me as well |
| 00:53.29 | prpplague | g1powermac_PB: first time i was out with her, she said "would you like to get us a couple of bears?" |
| 00:53.38 | prpplague | and i'm like, uh what? |
| 00:53.44 | g1powermac_PB | hehe |
| 00:53.46 | prpplague | g1powermac_PB: it isn't |
| 00:54.27 | g1powermac_PB | hmm, but i don't see any of the clear edges that the first one has |
| 00:54.56 | prpplague | it is trust me |
| 00:55.07 | prpplague | the've used clear bottles for 20 years |
| 00:55.21 | prpplague | g1powermac_PB: hehe, i've been trying bears since you were born, hehe |
| 00:55.26 | g1powermac_PB | http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/8/87/Samuelsmithstout.JPG |
| 00:55.59 | g1powermac_PB | heh, bears |
| 00:56.19 | Mirell | Bears. Beets. Battlestar Galactica. |
| 00:56.43 | prpplague | g1powermac_PB: ok, so my wife thinks i should open a "met and greet" business, bring computer geeks from the US to visit barbadian women |
| 00:56.55 | g1powermac_PB | hah, there you go |
| 00:57.28 | prpplague | $5000 gets you air fare, hotel, and introduction to 3 bajan hotties |
| 00:57.29 | Mirell | sighs over stupid patch options.. |
| 00:57.44 | prpplague | Mirell: how goes the new cisco project? |
| 00:58.19 | prpplague | muses over the "alien nation" alien having a name "Fran Cisco" |
| 00:58.20 | Mirell | prpplague: Making progress! But it seems I've been delving into an unknown world of Linux, for all the brokeness I keep hitting |
| 00:58.30 | prpplague | hahahahahaha |
| 00:58.40 | g1powermac_PB | prpplague: that may work, but you need to find a way to protect the basement hiding geeks from melting from direct solar exposure ;-) |
| 00:58.51 | prpplague | Mirell: welcome to my world |
| 00:59.18 | Mirell | prpplague: Python not building since March cost me half a day, fixed that. Then now I need to debug a uclibc++ issue, and figure out why devpts is not working nicely, probably the kernel config, and also poking Rob to keep odding options to either busybox/toybox |
| 00:59.33 | prpplague | g1powermac_PB: yea, "but wait, if you book now, you get a free tube of spf100!" |
| 00:59.40 | Mirell | prpplague: The silliest thing I've seen is Gentoo's way of calling patch. It includes some of the silliest options, like -g0 |
| 01:00.00 | Mirell | prpplague: THE DEFAULT IS -g0, WHICH THEN IT IGNORES THAT OPTION AND DOES NOTHING. Sigh. |
| 01:00.07 | g1powermac_PB | prpplague: heheh, nah, I think you need to make some kind of moveable basement replacement ;-) |
| 01:00.08 | prpplague | Mirell: welcome to world of embedded |
| 01:00.11 | Mirell | prpplague: But busybox/toybox patch doesn't have that option |
| 01:00.12 | Mirell | prpplague: Indeed. |
| 01:00.57 | prpplague | Mirell: ho ho um |
| 01:00.58 | Mirell | prpplague: But I got portage to install *1* package from scratch.. |
| 01:01.02 | Mirell | prpplague: Progress! |
| 01:01.06 | prpplague | Mirell: indeed |
| 01:01.17 | prpplague | Mirell: sounds like you are working on a different level than i |
| 01:01.24 | prpplague | Mirell: i much prefer driver dev |
| 01:01.58 | Mirell | prpplague: I'm really not knowledgeable at all on driver-level |
| 01:02.16 | Mirell | prpplague: I'm much better in usespace la-la land, and a decent amount of kernel-land, but not driver. |
| 01:03.08 | g1powermac_PB | prpplague: I double checked the bottle of lager I got, it definitely is in brown glass like the cider. . .not sure about the others I saw at the store |
| 01:03.40 | Mirell | prpplague: And Rob's almost got initramfs working nicely, so for a nice test case, package a kernel with a minimum mini-native and boot up on the hardware and get a busybox shell, without having to debug the horrendous Broadcom flash driver |
| 01:04.10 | Mirell | prpplague: Since...of course...it wasn't submitted upstream, so it's written for the 2.4 kernel and never updated.. |
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| 01:05.16 | prpplague | g1powermac_PB: interesting |
| 01:05.23 | Mirell | prpplague: I'm doing all this stuff just natively compiling on MIPS. I think if it was cross-compiling, I'd kill myself with all those added complexities. |
| 01:05.32 | prpplague | Mirell: yea, i've heard horror stories of BC |
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| 01:05.43 | prpplague | Mirell: sjhill used to work there |
| 01:06.30 | Mirell | M'kay, GNU patch installed until Rob adds those features, let's see what breaks next |
| 01:11.30 | Mirell | prpplague: The test package I'm attempting to compile to is Perl, merely out of perverity. :D |
| 01:11.47 | prpplague | Mirell: lovely |
| 01:59.01 | joe_bleau | I love the ternary operator. It makes me feel so hacker-like when I use it. |
| 01:59.32 | MonMotha | (joe_bleau.feelslike(dispositions.hacker) ? (w00t) : (b00); |
| 01:59.45 | MonMotha | minus the first ( |
| 02:00.21 | joe_bleau | It looks even cooler without the spaces and unneeded parens. |
| 02:00.32 | g1powermac_PB | heh |
| 02:00.46 | MonMotha | yes, but my version is readable :) |
| 02:01.01 | g1powermac_PB | readability is for the weak! |
| 02:01.04 | g1powermac_PB | :-) |
| 02:01.17 | joe_bleau | Hmm. I never thought of nesting them. Maybe next time. |
| 02:06.32 | Mirell | The ternary conditionally is quite nice |
| 02:07.10 | Mirell | When I first saw it in the wild, I thought, "What the hell byte shifting operation is this.." |
| 02:07.43 | archae0pteryx | I called it the tertiary operator once |
| 02:08.37 | Mirell | Oh, moment of truth, Portage is trying to compile libperl now.. |
| 02:10.16 | Mirell | If this works first time, I'll eat my proverbial hat. |
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| 04:48.48 | MonMotha | still looking for any information about using gcc on bare-metal m68k/coldfire |
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| 04:58.42 | _abc_ | hi |
| 05:20.42 | joe_bleau | I've used gcc bare metal 68k, but it's been a while. |
| 05:25.24 | MonMotha | joe_bleau: is there a libc or similar? |
| 05:25.30 | MonMotha | kinda like avr-libc, but for coldfire |
| 05:43.36 | joe_bleau | I used newlib |
| 05:43.45 | MonMotha | gotcha |
| 05:44.15 | joe_bleau | As a matter of fact, codesourcery probably ships newlib with their CF bare metal installation. |
| 05:44.34 | joe_bleau | And of course, I've done project with no libc... |
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| 06:36.26 | Mirell | Hee. |
| 06:40.53 | Mirell | It's amusing to read the tech blogs about just leaked products I knew about a while ago.. |
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| 08:39.39 | MonMotha | joe_bleau: done any FreeRTOS stuff on Coldfire? I noticed that FreeRTOS has a Coldfire port, but it is "unsupported". |
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| 15:06.26 | prpplague | ho ho hum |
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| 15:07.49 | Mirell | Muhahaha.. |
| 15:08.16 | Mirell | I might get to play with Amazon EC2 to use it as a build farm |
| 15:08.52 | mnemoc | isn't EC2's IO slow as hell? |
| 15:09.10 | prpplague | mnemoc: hey bud |
| 15:09.16 | prpplague | mnemoc: get your package yet? |
| 15:09.18 | mnemoc | hi prpplague! |
| 15:09.21 | mnemoc | nope :( |
| 15:09.21 | kergoth | morning |
| 15:09.27 | prpplague | mnemoc: uh no? |
| 15:09.32 | Mirell | mnemoc: Depends which instance you get |
| 15:09.36 | prpplague | mnemoc: let me see if i can track it |
| 15:10.20 | mnemoc | prpplague: i'm also waiting for a book bough at a1books.com around the same date |
| 15:10.37 | prpplague | hmm |
| 15:10.40 | prpplague | xmas mail |
| 15:10.50 | mnemoc | prpplague: if you have a tracking number i can check in the site of the spanish post office |
| 15:11.08 | prpplague | its at home, i'll check at lunch |
| 15:11.20 | mnemoc | thanks :) |
| 15:11.31 | mnemoc | i don't want to loose my xmas present :) |
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| 16:02.31 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: greetings |
| 16:02.54 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: are you "Qual"ified to be in this channel? hehehe |
| 16:03.12 | Mirell | ...wah |
| 16:03.30 | prpplague | Mirell: inside joke |
| 16:03.43 | agaffney | o_O |
| 16:03.52 | agaffney | sounds like a bad one :P |
| 16:04.04 | Mirell | Indeed. |
| 16:04.09 | ds2 | is CosmicPenguin ARMed now? |
| 16:04.21 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: is your new employment public knowledge now? |
| 16:04.37 | kergoth | prpplague: its on his linkedin, but i dont know if thats public info or just for those connected to him |
| 16:04.49 | kergoth | just got the weekly update email from linkedin with it in it |
| 16:04.54 | prpplague | ahh |
| 16:05.20 | prpplague | errs on the side of caution and lets CosmicPenguin do the annoucement |
| 16:07.18 | CosmicPenguin | Yes, yes - I'm ARMed again |
| 16:07.21 | CosmicPenguin | for better or worse |
| 16:07.39 | ds2 | cool |
| 16:08.50 | ds2 | would it be safe to assume Androids are on your sights? ;) |
| 16:09.24 | CosmicPenguin | That would be a safe assumption, yes |
| 16:09.37 | CosmicPenguin | or something like it |
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| 16:13.19 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: still keeping the company secret? |
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| 16:19.05 | CosmicPenguin | People will figure it out |
| 16:23.01 | ds2 | isn't it obvious... it is a company that qualifiers gun carrying robot banishers! ;) |
| 16:23.45 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: okie dokie |
| 16:23.46 | ds2 | qualifies |
| 16:24.39 | chouimat | morning |
| 16:24.53 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: how is it going with the new job, btw? |
| 16:25.10 | CosmicPenguin | ratherwell |
| 16:25.31 | CosmicPenguin | lots to learn |
| 16:26.00 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: ahh good deal |
| 16:26.36 | prpplague | linux still seems to be pretty robust in the smart phone areas |
| 16:27.18 | CosmicPenguin | The interesting thing is that its just getting started up |
| 16:27.45 | CosmicPenguin | In terms of total market share, it pales to Windows Mobile and the "custom" operating environments |
| 16:30.02 | ds2 | but doing linux means they got to disclose more info |
| 16:30.50 | mnemoc | anyone knows what happened to the "offer" to make symbian open source? |
| 16:31.21 | chouimat | mnemoc: give them time ... |
| 16:36.15 | CosmicPenguin | wonders what the policy is on shuttong the office door and playing music is around here |
| 16:36.30 | Mirell | ...woah |
| 16:36.31 | chouimat | ask |
| 16:36.36 | Mirell | *office*? |
| 16:36.38 | Mirell | Lordie. |
| 16:36.55 | Mirell | Mr. Fancy Pants! :D |
| 16:37.09 | mnemoc | CosmicPenguin: do you have your own office? |
| 16:37.17 | CosmicPenguin | I do |
| 16:37.28 | Crofton | dude you have arrived |
| 16:37.29 | CosmicPenguin | But then again, so does everybody else.. :) |
| 16:37.38 | ds2 | CosmicPenguin: office? did you move to CA? |
| 16:37.42 | chouimat | Mirell: I have a cat in my office today ... ok I'm working home today because I didn't feel like being stuck in the traffic for 6 hours ... |
| 16:37.59 | Mirell | chouimat: I have Stargate SG-1 on my TV in my "office" |
| 16:38.02 | Mirell | chouimat: So yah. :D |
| 16:38.42 | chouimat | Mirell: bus drivers strike, snow storm yesterday so today is awfull on the roads |
| 16:39.03 | Mirell | Yowch. |
| 16:39.10 | chouimat | Mirell: seems my managed just got it ... and he left at 7:30am |
| 16:39.16 | chouimat | s/it/in |
| 16:39.21 | Mirell | And here I was complaining it's so cold today, upper 50s. |
| 16:40.02 | Mirell | If we had snow, the entire city would be shut down |
| 16:40.34 | chouimat | Mirell: I was at the office yesterday ... |
| 16:40.42 | Mirell | Ahh |
| 16:43.15 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: so..., i didn't realize that a janitors closet warranted the title of "office" |
| 16:43.18 | prpplague | jokes with CosmicPenguin |
| 16:50.37 | mnemoc | *cough* |
| 16:50.39 | mnemoc | :) |
| 16:51.53 | CosmicPenguin | I can't help if if I am a big deal |
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| 17:36.13 | CosmicPenguin | hmm - I'm liking zim |
| 17:36.24 | CosmicPenguin | has the whole wiki - stream of thought thing going on |
| 17:37.36 | kergoth | zim? |
| 17:37.41 | kergoth | thinks of invader zim |
| 17:38.58 | prpplague | kergoth: ha me too, but i wasn't going to type it |
| 17:39.13 | kergoth | :) |
| 17:43.22 | agaffney | heh, me too :P |
| 17:43.27 | agaffney | that was such a great show |
| 17:44.54 | kergoth | agreed |
| 17:45.01 | CosmicPenguin | everyone is a comedian |
| 17:45.12 | CosmicPenguin | http://zim-wiki.org/index.html |
| 17:45.17 | kergoth | remembers quite a bit from that show |
| 17:45.22 | kergoth | A ROOM.... with a MOOSE1 |
| 17:46.13 | Mirell | MOOSE1, a start-of-the-art Multi-Object Organizational Selective Executive 1! |
| 17:46.52 | kergoth | hehe |
| 17:47.03 | Mirell | I...uh...am quite sleep deprived, so.. |
| 17:47.14 | kergoth | agaffney: i bet working on that show was the best job ever |
| 17:47.18 | agaffney | heh |
| 17:47.22 | kergoth | "Okay, where can we shove a pig into this episode?" |
| 17:47.24 | Mirell | Except when it got cancelled. |
| 17:47.39 | kergoth | there is that |
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| 19:55.01 | chouimat | kergoth: hi |
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| 20:27.28 | prpplague | landley: greetings |
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| 21:06.48 | landley | Morning prpplague. |
| 21:07.48 | chouimat | hi prpplague landley |
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| 21:41.23 | prpplague | landley: how is life with Crisco |
| 21:48.38 | landley | prpplague: they want to fly me and mark back in sometime in the next couple weeks, but they're all off at some convention today. |
| 21:48.44 | landley | CES, maybe? |
| 21:49.05 | landley | Launching Stefan's toy: http://www.engadget.com/2009/01/07/linksys-announces-media-hub-nas/ |
| 21:49.21 | landley | Which presumably means they got the inotify bug fixed. :) |
| 21:51.04 | chouimat | needs to get one ... just to see what the "competition" did :) |
| 21:51.38 | landley | Unfortunately you can't fit any more ram into the sucker than it comes with, so it wouldn't make a good arm workstation. |
| 21:51.40 | mnemoc | chouimat: in that case as "employer" to get one for you to reverse engineer :p |
| 21:51.49 | mnemoc | ask* |
| 21:51.54 | landley | David Mandala at Ubuntu is putting together some good arm development workstations... |
| 21:52.03 | chouimat | mnemoc: allready done ;) |
| 21:52.07 | mnemoc | =) |
| 21:52.43 | chouimat | landley: I have an Redhat ES5 arm development station |
| 21:53.39 | prpplague | landley: oh yea? |
| 21:53.45 | prpplague | landley: what kind of stuff? |
| 21:54.21 | landley | prpplague: stuff? |
| 21:54.27 | prpplague | <landley> David Mandala at Ubuntu is putting together some good arm development workstations... |
| 21:54.31 | landley | Ah. |
| 21:54.44 | landley | I was on the phone with him yesterday and there's some new arm 7 hardware hitting the market. |
| 21:54.54 | prpplague | arm7 ?? |
| 21:55.01 | chouimat | v7 |
| 21:55.06 | landley | It can output to HDTV and talk to SATA drives, so the only hard part is getting enough memory into it. |
| 21:55.10 | landley | Yup. Armv7, sorry. |
| 21:55.13 | prpplague | landley: ahh |
| 21:55.27 | landley | HDTV apparently makes good monitors. |
| 21:55.31 | prpplague | landley: ahh dandy, cortex-a8 stuff? |
| 21:55.39 | landley | Sounds vaguely familiar, so maybe? |
| 21:55.46 | landley | It was a phone conversation, not email, so I can't check. :) |
| 21:56.04 | landley | is trying to track down a FWL regression by binary searching my hg repo. Time consuming. :P |
| 21:56.51 | Mirell | Hmm.. |
| 21:57.07 | Mirell | pokes his e-mail. Come on, David. |
| 21:57.15 | chouimat | those are nice ... I played with a few http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS3542687598.html |
| 21:57.27 | landley | Mirell: ah yes. What the real subject of the phone call was. |
| 21:57.41 | landley | Trying to get FWL to build within the Amazon cloud. :) |
| 21:57.59 | landley | Mark says you can rent an 8-way server with 1.5 terabytes of scratch disk and some insane amount of memory for 80 cents/hour. |
| 21:58.08 | Mirell | It's not insane. |
| 21:58.12 | landley | How much memory then? |
| 21:58.14 | Mirell | 7GB is merely "Good". |
| 21:59.14 | landley | Mark and I were pondering buying our own server for Impact Liinux, but I think it might _depreciate_ faster than Amazon would charge us. Not sure yet... |
| 21:59.29 | landley | (We still need a server, just not necessarily quite as beefy a server.) |
| 22:00.07 | Mirell | landley: What for, if using Amazon for builds? |
| 22:00.32 | landley | Let's see, if we ran nightly builds and they took 2 hours a night, say 30 days a month, times $1.60... $48/month. |
| 22:00.43 | landley | Mirell: something to run cron on to kick the builds off from, and store the images and results. |
| 22:01.05 | Mirell | landley: Dreamhost for the web thing can do that. |
| 22:01.10 | landley | Might be able to do it from the colo hosted server thingy the website's running on, though. Or something similar... |
| 22:01.11 | landley | Yeah, that. |
| 22:01.32 | Mirell | landley: It's good for storage/web interface, just not high-CPU intensive stuff. |
| 22:01.37 | landley | I dunno how much CPU/disk/bandwidth that's allowed to use. I know you got a good deal but never remember the details. |
| 22:01.54 | Mirell | Disk and Bandwidth are high enough to be a non-issue. |
| 22:02.00 | landley | CPU? |
| 22:02.15 | Mirell | Why would we need to have high-utilization of the CPU for the web host? |
| 22:02.40 | landley | Mirell: we wouldn't, I just want to know how much we're allowed to use before getting in trouble. |
| 22:02.46 | Mirell | landley: Uh, I don't know. |
| 22:03.10 | landley | I also don't know if amazon stores images for us between runs, or if they have to be re-downloaded. |
| 22:03.23 | Mirell | landley: I again wonder why we would be doing any high-CPU activities on it, or what activities might warrant concern. |
| 22:03.25 | landley | If the ubuntu image is a gig, downloading a gig a night and then sending the results back would be a bit uncomfortable. |
| 22:03.39 | Mirell | landley: They storage the image for the machine. |
| 22:03.42 | Mirell | landley: Er, store. |
| 22:03.46 | landley | How big? |
| 22:03.50 | Mirell | landley: As big as you want. |
| 22:04.02 | landley | No monthly fee beyond the hourly usage thingy? |
| 22:04.13 | Mirell | # $0.10 per GB-month of provisioned storage |
| 22:04.19 | Mirell | http://aws.amazon.com/ec2/#pricing |
| 22:04.22 | landley | Ok, that's pretty cool. |
| 22:04.26 | Mirell | No, no monthly fee. |
| 22:05.57 | landley | Mirell: well, for the storage. But we'd only want maybe $1/month's worth so that's fine. |
| 22:06.24 | landley | Where are "small/large/extra large" and standard vs high cpu defined? |
| 22:07.13 | landley | Ah, found it. |
| 22:08.09 | landley | What the heck is a "compute unit"? |
| 22:08.20 | chouimat | 1Mhz ? |
| 22:08.22 | Mirell | EC2 Compute Unit (ECU) â One EC2 Compute Unit (ECU) provides the equivalent CPU capacity of a 1.0-1.2 GHz 2007 Opteron or 2007 Xeon processor. |
| 22:08.24 | chouimat | 1 MIPS? |
| 22:08.33 | landley | Ah, found it. |
| 22:08.42 | Mirell | I would hope so, considering I pasted it. |
| 22:08.55 | landley | Found it in the web page before I noticed you'd pasted it. :) |
| 22:09.51 | mnemoc | if you don't really need such a monster virtualized hardware with unpredicatable IO speed, take a look at http://www.hetzner.de/hosting/produktmatrix/en-rootserver-produktmatrix/ ... real and quite decent hardware, 7 usable IPs and no restrictions |
| 22:09.55 | chouimat | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amazon_Elastic_Compute_Cloud |
| 22:10.46 | landley | So high-cpu extra large instance, 80 cents/hour. 7 gigs ram, 8-way times ~2.5 ghz 64 bit processors, and 1.6 terabytes of disk. |
| 22:11.06 | Mirell | Yeppers |
| 22:11.33 | landley | mnemoc: we'd be foisting firmware linux nightly builds into this, and having them build gentoo embedded. |
| 22:11.39 | landley | I/O speed isn't the bottleneck, CPU is. |
| 22:11.46 | mnemoc | ic |
| 22:12.01 | landley | And we want to make it so anybody ELSE can foist FWL builds into the thing and natively build arm and mips and ppc systems and so on. |
| 22:12.05 | landley | Make cross compiling go away. |
| 22:12.18 | landley | Document a simple and cheap alternative. |
| 22:12.47 | mnemoc | sounds interesting :) |
| 22:12.50 | chouimat|away | wonders what he has home ... dual quad core xeon 2.8Ghz , 6TB of disk and 32GB of ram |
| 22:13.20 | mnemoc | cries |
| 22:13.22 | landley | I'd also like to do nightly builds of uClibc cross compile toolchains uClibc system images for uclibc/downloads/binaries, as a service to that project. |
| 22:13.43 | chouimat|away | mnemoc: and I can run OS X on it ... well it's a mac pro :) |
| 22:13.45 | landley | I still do almost everything on my laptop. Core 2 duo, 2 gigs ram, 300 gigs hard drive. |
| 22:14.02 | Mirell | chouimat|away: THat's what I want for my desktop |
| 22:14.28 | chouimat|away | Mirell: currently mac pro memory is 270$ for 8Gb (2x4GB) ... |
| 22:14.30 | Mirell | chouimat|away: But that config had to have cost like $8K you basatard. |
| 22:14.49 | chouimat|away | Mirell: I just bought the standard one and got the rest elsewhere |
| 22:14.49 | Mirell | *jealous* |
| 22:14.53 | Mirell | Ahhh |
| 22:15.22 | chouimat|away | Mirell: memorytogo.com is nice for ordering the memory and for the drives they are standard SATA drives |
| 22:15.45 | Mirell | I'll probably get one here in a few months.. |
| 22:15.52 | chouimat|away | Mirell: it hard to find 800MHz DDR2, ECC and Fully Buffered memory here |
| 22:15.55 | Mirell | In the interim, cloud computng goodness.. |
| 22:16.01 | Mirell | chouimat|away: Where is here? |
| 22:16.09 | chouimat|away | Ottawa Canada |
| 22:16.14 | Mirell | Ahh |
| 22:16.22 | Mirell | Odd. |
| 22:16.47 | chouimat|away | Mirell: complicated special order ... |
| 22:17.08 | chouimat|away | Mem: 32161 2832 29328 0 1 1727 <----- this is nice (it's in MB) |
| 22:17.14 | Mirell | Yes, yes.. |
| 22:17.23 | Mirell | I got to play with servers like that in my last job |
| 22:17.50 | Mirell | Right before I left, had one set up to test VMWare ESX with 32GB of memory and 1TB of 15,000 RPM SATA drives.. |
| 22:18.11 | chouimat|away | Mirell: and I like the firewire ports on it ... I will be able to use a lot of 1.5TB as external hard drive if I need it |
| 22:18.23 | Mirell | It was so hard to resist the temptation to call it PornServer 5000. |
| 22:18.51 | Mirell | Ahh |
| 22:19.47 | chouimat|away | and I discovered that the 2 enclosures I bought came with the internal to e-SATA adapter ... need 2 find the 2 plugs on the motherboard |
| 22:19.54 | chouimat|away | anyway I'm off later |
| 22:19.57 | Mirell | Ciao |
| 22:20.30 | Mirell | landley: So yah, Amazon's service will probably fit our needs for the short-term |
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| 22:21.26 | landley | Mirell: woot. |
| 22:21.39 | landley | Mirell: and that's my professional opinion, so you know. |
| 22:21.52 | landley | I mean "woot" in a serious, business capacity. |
| 22:24.08 | Mirell | We'd still probably want our own dedicate server in the long-short-term/short-long-term if we start adding other projects than our own |
| 22:25.06 | Mirell | Because 3-4 hours a day it's cost-effecient. 18-20+, might as well buy our own server. |
| 22:35.34 | landley | Mirell: they charge for data transfer too. |
| 22:35.54 | landley | 10 cents/gigabyte in, 17 cents per gigabyte out. |
| 22:36.20 | Mirell | landley: That's write.. |
| 22:36.32 | Mirell | landley: How many jigabytes are you expecting here? |
| 22:37.54 | Mirell | Er, that's right, even. |
| 22:38.04 | landley | Dunno, nightly builds of all system images for all targets uploaded to uclibc.org would be about half a gig. |
| 22:38.09 | landley | Per night. |
| 22:38.35 | Mirell | landley: Er, we'd host it on impactlinux.com |
| 22:38.43 | Mirell | landley: Not uclibc.org :) |
| 22:38.46 | landley | Either way. |
| 22:39.00 | Mirell | landley: But even so, that's what..1GB every two days, so 15GB a month, so..$1.50 |
| 22:39.04 | Mirell | Er |
| 22:39.05 | landley | Mirell: putting binaries on uClibc.org is not only a service to their community, but free advertising for our project. |
| 22:39.10 | landley | (Very slightly slimy. :) |
| 22:39.15 | Mirell | $2.55 |
| 22:39.19 | landley | Mirell: yeah it's reasonable, it's just big enough to need to budget for it. |
| 22:39.26 | Mirell | Yah |
| 22:39.35 | landley | We probably only want to do weekly snapshots anyway. |
| 22:40.03 | Mirell | landley: Well, if David comes through, we might get a while to gauge what it would cost it |
| 22:40.41 | landley | Weekly for uclibc.org using the latest svn (git by then) of uClibc, nightly on our site using release versions of packages but latest hg version of the build scripts. |
| 22:40.49 | landley | Mirell: I'm all for it. :) |
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| 22:47.19 | mnemoc | EC2 prices seem pretty tricky, they charge your for the communications between their different services too |
| 22:48.53 | Mirell | mnemoc: Er? |
| 22:48.55 | Mirell | Data transferred between two Amazon Web Services within the same region (i.e. between Amazon EC2 US and another AWS service in the US, or between Amazon EC2 Europe and another AWS service in Europe) is free of charge (i.e., $0.00 per GB). |
| 22:49.45 | mnemoc | but the locations of their cloud fronts are not the same |
| 22:50.07 | Mirell | Er? |
| 22:50.47 | mnemoc | Normal fees will apply for Amazon S3 usage, including âorigin fetchesâ â data transferred from Amazon S3 to edge locations. |
| 22:51.20 | Mirell | Where's that? |
| 22:51.29 | mnemoc | http://aws.amazon.com/cloudfront/ |
| 22:55.06 | mnemoc | but this cloudfront thing seems to be an optional "reverse-proxy" |
| 22:56.10 | mnemoc | i'm now poudering to use "aws" myself, but something doesn't smell good |
| 22:57.00 | mnemoc | well... /me gone to sleep now... cu tomorrow! |
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