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| 00:32.12 | joe_bleau | MonMotha: haven't played with FreeRTOS yet, but I need to examine it for a potential project. |
| 00:33.28 | MonMotha | joe_bleau: I've used it on ARM. Pretty nice minimal OS. |
| 00:33.34 | MonMotha | Has some decent synchronization primitives |
| 00:33.47 | MonMotha | don't expect any drivers or similar for your platform, though |
| 00:37.35 | joe_bleau | I won't need much, and I'm thinking it'll be Cortex. |
| 00:37.49 | joe_bleau | Luminary claims to have drivers for most of the hardware, which will be a change. |
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| 02:20.59 | mankash | hi all |
| 02:23.10 | mankash | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:27.47 | agaffney | mankash: care to be more specific? what arch? what bootloader? what kernel? |
| 02:29.13 | mankash | IXp425, redboot |
| 02:34.48 | mankash | hi agaffney |
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| 09:09.43 | MonMotha | whoo hoo massive amounts of pointer arithmetic |
| 09:48.23 | Madsy | Always fun. |
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| 09:53.56 | MonMotha | Madsy: writing a ring-buffer based queue |
| 10:20.41 | Madsy | I did that just yesterday, for my audio handler |
| 10:21.02 | Madsy | Didn't need any pointer arithmetic though |
| 10:24.19 | Madsy | The audio callback needs 8192 bytes, or so. With twice the buffer size, the main application can fill the other half up, while the callback reads the second. |
| 10:24.45 | Madsy | I just needed to store two mutexes and a buffer position. How come you need pointer magic? |
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| 10:44.56 | MonMotha | Madsy: attempting to do this with as little state information as possible and no OS (so no synchronization primitives other than disabling interrupts) |
| 10:45.32 | Madsy | What do you need synchronization for? :) |
| 10:46.07 | Madsy | I'm glad ARM has a swp instruction |
| 11:03.10 | MonMotha | I think AVR has something similar |
| 11:03.23 | MonMotha | this is one of those "quick and small as possible" implementations for bare metal |
| 11:03.43 | MonMotha | it's also variable size in variable size out |
| 11:04.09 | MonMotha | I can't do a simple swap back/forth type thing |
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| 14:36.28 | prpplague | funny funny, jump through my ass get this linux version for the 8050 done, and they aren't even going to put it out on display for the show |
| 14:36.42 | chouimat|work | prpplague :( |
| 14:44.21 | prpplague | chouimat|work: sad sad thing |
| 14:44.52 | prpplague | the sales mutants that we have now just aren't interested in selling linux |
| 14:50.56 | mnemoc | prpplague: too reliable for good business? |
| 14:52.44 | prpplague | mnemoc: no, they've just pissed off all the linux ISV's and selling to windowsce shops is easy, hence they get quicker commisions |
| 14:54.28 | mnemoc | :| |
| 14:57.27 | prpplague | selling linux "takes too much work" |
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| 15:13.49 | Mirell | prpplague: ISVs? |
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| 15:19.12 | prpplague | Mirell: Independent Software Vendors |
| 15:19.43 | prpplague | Mirell: i.e. Joe Smoe Consulting who provides software for used book stores |
| 15:20.59 | chouimat|work | prpplague wow ... you must love those sales drones |
| 15:22.25 | prpplague | indeed |
| 15:23.11 | wmat | prpplague: why do they have to sell linux at all? I would have thought they'd be selling the function of the handheld, not the underlying OS. |
| 15:23.41 | prpplague | wmat: doesn't work that way |
| 15:23.47 | prpplague | wmat: for example |
| 15:24.23 | prpplague | wmat: company Joe Smoe Consulting, will purchase our handheld, write software for it that works with their software package, then turn around and sell it to their customers |
| 15:24.46 | prpplague | wmat: what we have to sell is that Joe Smoe Consulting has to know how to develop software to run on linux |
| 15:25.30 | prpplague | wmat: 80% of the ISV's already have applications for windows CE, which means that if they want to sell their package using a linux handheld, they have to re-write |
| 15:25.55 | wmat | ah, I see |
| 15:26.11 | wmat | start a side company re-writing CE software for Linux ;) |
| 15:26.32 | mnemoc | =) |
| 15:29.00 | prpplague | wmat: hehe, not my cup of tea |
| 15:31.04 | mnemoc | embedded wine :p |
| 15:31.05 | chouimat|work | or just write a winece ;) |
| 15:31.18 | mnemoc | that :) |
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| 15:33.37 | prpplague | mnemoc: kind of defeats the purpose |
| 15:34.18 | prpplague | we've been on the lookout for a company to do consulting for these ISV's, but haven't found any |
| 15:34.19 | kergoth | morning |
| 15:34.34 | chouimat|work | morning kergoth |
| 15:34.37 | CosmicPenguin | morning |
| 15:35.05 | mnemoc | prpplague: OT: did you find a tracking number for me? |
| 15:36.27 | Mirell | There, made landley's horrendous web page skills go away at least for the index page.. |
| 15:36.58 | prpplague | mnemoc: yes i placed an inquiry, since it is an overseas package it will take a little while to check, which is why i hate using USPS for overseas stuff |
| 15:37.16 | Mirell | DHL all the way. |
| 15:37.46 | mnemoc | $$DHL$$ |
| 15:37.48 | prpplague | dhl is closing down most of their shipping in the US |
| 15:38.05 | mnemoc | evil germans |
| 15:38.07 | Mirell | prpplague: For national shipping. |
| 15:39.01 | Mirell | But I'll never ship something internationally by UPS or USPS |
| 15:39.39 | mnemoc | in germany as dhl are the former national post they don't allow you to send parcels by "normal" post |
| 15:41.19 | chouimat|work | Mirell: I always use fedex when I order in the USA, ok most of the time |
| 15:42.18 | prpplague | chouimat|work: that is my preference as well |
| 15:42.21 | mnemoc | Mirell: btw, interesting "review" of amazon's thing: http://hostingfu.com/article/amazon-web-services-is-expensive |
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| 15:51.00 | Mirell | mnemoc: True, if you're wanting to do that much stuff 24x7, then a dedicated server makes more sense. |
| 15:51.07 | Mirell | Servers, even |
| 15:51.26 | Mirell | But it's attractive for the 2-3 hour nightly build server. |
| 15:53.24 | mnemoc | my fear is that those 2-3h may cost you more than a dedicated server to do the same |
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| 16:43.14 | Mirell | mnemoc: Other thing is, Canonical is footing the bill initially for trying it out |
| 16:44.32 | mnemoc | Mirell: awesome! :D |
| 16:54.12 | mnemoc | Mirell: btw, are you sure that wasn't "classified" info? :p |
| 16:55.25 | Mirell | Considering landley already revealed it on his blog, no. |
| 16:56.01 | mnemoc | hasn't read today's post yet |
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| 19:51.07 | CosmicPenguin | at one point, andersee had a ldd script that was written in perl that was cross-platform compatible |
| 19:51.20 | CosmicPenguin | long shot, but does anybody know where a copy of that might live? |
| 19:53.10 | kergoth | not offhand.. but depending on wha tou're looking for, LD_TRACE_LOADED_OBJECTS=1 ./foo might work.. ldd just sets a bunch of env vars based on cmdline args, iirc |
| 19:57.26 | CosmicPenguin | its an arm binary |
| 19:58.43 | CosmicPenguin | hmm - thats going to frustrate me... |
| 20:12.36 | solar | CosmicPenguin: me and other guy wrote an elf tool that is cross arch/bits aware and that tell you all sorts of useful info about elf's. pax-utils-0.1.19.tar.bz2 |
| 20:12.37 | solar | and can be used as a cross-ldd more or less |
| 20:14.04 | solar | http://rafb.net/p/IPFLCG39.html (usage) |
| 20:25.05 | CosmicPenguin | hmm - yeah |
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| 20:43.04 | kergoth | readelf -d might be all you need.. what info are you looking for/ |
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| 20:55.18 | CosmicPenguin | yeah, readelf -d is fine |
| 20:55.22 | CosmicPenguin | for the moment |
| 20:58.42 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hehe, nice to hear you talking arm binaries |
| 21:06.46 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: careful |
| 21:24.09 | archae0pteryx | solicits resumes |
| 21:30.37 | Crofton|work | archae0pteryx, for? |
| 21:32.46 | archae0pteryx | full time bareboard embedded / embedded linux c/c++ devel. It's a maybe not a definite |
| 21:34.01 | mnemoc | where? |
| 21:34.13 | archae0pteryx | silicon valley but telecommuting is OK |
| 21:34.19 | archae0pteryx | from wherever pretty much |
| 21:34.53 | solar | enjoys it here in the bay area |
| 21:36.09 | archae0pteryx | yes it's nice :) i'm glad i got to move here |
| 21:36.46 | mnemoc | would wish EU <-> US would have good visa deals : |
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| 21:39.50 | archae0pteryx | yeah... I don't know if we'd be willing to pay for that |
| 21:43.23 | mnemoc | it's not just about the costs of the visa, when I asked they told me the vsa for my wife and children would take up to 3y! |
| 21:43.31 | archae0pteryx | :( |
| 21:43.36 | archae0pteryx | yeah that doesn't work |
| 21:43.38 | archae0pteryx | that is stupid |
| 21:44.51 | MonMotha | mnemoc: the US immigration situation is pretty silly |
| 21:44.57 | MonMotha | might explain the rather large number of illegals |
| 21:46.50 | archae0pteryx | Yeah but its not usually the engineers who are illegal |
| 21:47.20 | Crofton|work | we have engineers as indetured servants |
| 21:47.30 | Crofton|work | work them for a few years, then send them home |
| 21:47.45 | MonMotha | archae0pteryx: no, but the immigration situation for family is pretty similar apparently no matter what your reason for being/working in the UAS |
| 21:47.48 | MonMotha | *USA |
| 21:48.49 | mnemoc | MonMotha: yes, I can get a working visa for me pretty fast, but not for my family... they can enter and stay up to 3 months, after that they become illegals |
| 21:49.23 | mnemoc | or split the family (which I wont do) until they get one |
| 21:49.57 | archae0pteryx | I wouldn't do that either mnemoc |
| 21:50.05 | archae0pteryx | I can totally grok that |
| 21:54.06 | prpplague | don't get me started on US immigration |
| 21:54.43 | Crofton|work | :) |
| 21:56.03 | archae0pteryx | Too late(?) |
| 21:58.42 | prpplague | archae0pteryx: if i didn't have a ton of work to do, i'd be telling about my nightmare |
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| 21:59.12 | prpplague | archae0pteryx: took me 3 years 8 months and 24 days to get a visa for my wife and i'm a US citizen by birth |
| 22:01.43 | mnemoc | prpplague: outch |
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