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| 15:22.43 | GPSFan | prpplague: morning |
| 15:22.48 | prpplague | GPSFan: greetings |
| 15:23.08 | prpplague | GPSFan: not out malesting the sheep this morning? or is it just too cold? |
| 15:23.18 | GPSFan | prpplague: how was the "big demo"(tm) on the 9th? |
| 15:23.40 | GPSFan | not yet, cloudy & grey |
| 15:23.54 | GPSFan | 21F |
| 15:23.58 | prpplague | GPSFan: my portion went ok, all the product stuff is being introduced today at a show in boston |
| 15:24.32 | prpplague | GPSFan: doesn't matter too much, looks like the 8050 will be the last product that AML produces with linux as the OS |
| 15:25.35 | GPSFan | prpplague: I've made a bit of progress porting the latest Libertas-spi to the Z2. might I impose upon you to give me some pointers as to the board specific code. It seems that aeronix stuffed most of what's neccessary into their gspi driver. |
| 15:26.47 | prpplague | GPSFan: yea, that was the hardest part of the libertas driver per se |
| 15:27.31 | prpplague | GPSFan: the libertas driver is basically a three layer item , with regards to the hardware |
| 15:27.52 | prpplague | GPSFan: 1)uppler layer is the api for the libertas, basically the same for all versions of the libertas hardware |
| 15:28.16 | prpplague | GPSFan: 2) middle layer that is interface specific, i.e. CF, SDIO, GSPI, USB |
| 15:28.39 | prpplague | GPSFan: 3) and the bottom layer which is the actual hardware interface that is specific to your host device |
| 15:29.10 | prpplague | GPSFan: i've not looked alot at the GSPI driver in libertas, but i assume it is suppose to use the spi subsystem in the kernel |
| 15:29.28 | prpplague | GPSFan: which means you should be able to use the standard spi host controller interface |
| 15:29.43 | GPSFan | prpplague: this is what I have now: http://www.paonia.com/~kenm/Z2/Wireless/ |
| 15:29.54 | prpplague | looks |
| 15:30.32 | GPSFan | prpplague: that's correct I have got all the patches integrated and written some board specific code, it insmods, but the probe isn't called that;s where I'm stuck. |
| 15:30.58 | prpplague | GPSFan: got a dmesg you can pastebin? |
| 15:31.00 | GPSFan | rats I can't see the readme wait a sec |
| 15:33.51 | GPSFan | the readme is there now. I had a dmesg that I didn't save last night. I don't have the system up now to gen another one. It's time to go harass the sheep, so I'll catch up with you later. |
| 15:34.21 | GPSFan | prpplague: the readme has a lot of detail, but alas no dmesg. |
| 15:34.41 | prpplague | GPSFan: okie dokie, still looking |
| 15:35.08 | prpplague | GPSFan: the dmesg will tell me a bunch of stuff about how the spi is being setup |
| 15:35.47 | GPSFan | prpplague: generating one now, loading the kernel via serial is slow. |
| 15:35.56 | prpplague | GPSFan: you do realize there are two kernel modules for the libertas stuff right? |
| 15:37.00 | GPSFan | correct, both insmod the libertas_spi.ko is second. |
| 15:37.28 | prpplague | ok dandy |
| 15:37.32 | prpplague | looks some more |
| 15:38.30 | GPSFan | prpplague: I'll have you a set of dmesg's in a few min, the sheep will wait for a bit. ;>) |
| 15:39.00 | prpplague | GPSFan: hmm, something doesn't look correct on your machine file |
| 15:39.54 | GPSFan | prpplague: I had no real guidance as to what to put there, so I'm not surprised. |
| 15:40.12 | prpplague | GPSFan: hmm, what kernel version are you working with? |
| 15:40.21 | GPSFan | 2.6.27.10 |
| 15:40.28 | chouimat|work | morning |
| 15:40.45 | prpplague | ahh ok |
| 15:43.01 | damunix | hi prpplague |
| 15:43.06 | damunix | how are you ? |
| 15:43.37 | prpplague | damunix: greetings |
| 15:43.40 | prpplague | is alive |
| 15:44.59 | GPSFan | prpplague: http://www.paonia.com/~kenm/Z2/Wireless/dmesg |
| 15:45.07 | prpplague | looks |
| 15:45.12 | GPSFan | prpplague: look at the last part after the ++++++++++++++++ |
| 15:45.37 | GPSFan | prpplague: I had extra kernel debugging turned on so there is a lot of stuff there. |
| 15:46.59 | GPSFan | that's why I did a dmesg -d before insmodding the libertas modules |
| 15:47.33 | prpplague | device: 'pxa2xx-spi.1': device_add |
| 15:47.33 | prpplague | bus: 'platform': add device pxa2xx-spi.1 |
| 15:47.33 | prpplague | mainstone: spi reg ret: = 0 |
| 15:48.08 | prpplague | looks something didn't go right with the registering of the device |
| 15:48.45 | damunix | prpplague: do you have any isue in USB support in kernel > 2.6.24 |
| 15:49.31 | prpplague | damunix: i dont know if it is specific with the s3c24xx or not, but anything above 2.6.22 has USB host issues when working with s3c24xx based devices |
| 15:49.39 | GPSFan | prpplague: I gotta run, be back in an hour or so. thanks in advance for the help. |
| 15:49.53 | prpplague | GPSFan: i'd start looking at the spi bus registration |
| 15:51.34 | GPSFan | prpplague: I think you are correct, since the probe of libertas_spi isn't being called. |
| 15:51.48 | GPSFan | but the __init was. |
| 15:52.16 | prpplague | GPSFan: i'd add a bunch of printk's to the spi bus registrations to see whats going on |
| 15:52.32 | damunix | prpplague: do you try the .28 ? |
| 15:52.33 | prpplague | GPSFan: i suspect there is a data validation check in the registration that is failing |
| 15:53.05 | prpplague | damunix: not as of yet, probably tomorrow, just finished up with a product release last week, i have some time now to test it |
| 15:53.19 | damunix | no pb |
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| 16:01.55 | chouimat|work | prpplague: they ask me to do a new version of the rootfs for a new devices and I had to finish it for last friday ... but they kept puting new devices for demo all week so I did not much on the rootfs thing |
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| 16:18.59 | prpplague | chouimat|work: sorry, your frenglish was a little hard to follow |
| 16:19.31 | chouimat|work | prpplague: I know I hard problem to follow too this forning |
| 16:19.37 | chouimat|work | s/hard/have |
| 16:19.44 | chouimat|work | s/forning/morning |
| 16:19.48 | chouimat|work | wow ... need more sleep |
| 16:20.07 | agaffney | heh |
| 16:20.10 | agaffney | don't we all... |
| 16:20.27 | chouimat|work | agaffney: so true |
| 16:22.50 | prpplague | agaffney: indeed, i was up half the night with my stepdaughter, she was spouting from both ends |
| 16:23.05 | agaffney | fun |
| 16:23.11 | prpplague | ahh the joys of parenthood |
| 16:23.15 | agaffney | heh |
| 16:23.30 | agaffney | I think I've only ever had that happen to myself once or twice |
| 16:23.35 | agaffney | it's never pleasant |
| 16:23.46 | prpplague | problem is, now everyone else in the house is probably going to get sick too |
| 16:23.49 | chouimat|work | prpplague: I got a phone call at 6:!5am yesterday ... it seems that my sister got her chest busting alien ... 8lbs 6oz |
| 16:24.08 | prpplague | chouimat|work: hehe |
| 16:24.16 | agaffney | if that thing actually bursted from her chest, I'd be concerned |
| 16:24.30 | chouimat|work | agaffney: me too ... |
| 16:24.54 | prpplague | chouimat|work: did it hop out and start singing "hello my baby" like the frog on the cartoons? |
| 16:25.01 | chouimat|work | lol |
| 16:25.14 | agaffney | prpplague: heh, you were thinking about the scene from Space Balls, too? :P |
| 16:25.24 | g1powermac_PB | dang, agaffney beat me to it ;-) |
| 16:25.36 | g1powermac_PB | hey prpplague :-) |
| 16:25.55 | agaffney | apparently, we were *all* thinking it ;) |
| 16:26.17 | g1powermac_PB | loves Mel Brooks movies :-) |
| 16:26.43 | chouimat|work | prpplague: now I waiting to see when my 3yo niece will ask my sister when the baby is going back ... |
| 16:27.07 | agaffney | g1powermac_PB: who doesn't? |
| 16:28.00 | g1powermac_PB | who knows :-) |
| 16:28.01 | prpplague | indeed i love that movie |
| 16:28.34 | g1powermac_PB | loves the reference for USB 3.0 as ludicrous speed :-) |
| 16:29.06 | prpplague | ho ho hum |
| 16:29.15 | prpplague | installs wince5 platform builder |
| 16:29.55 | g1powermac_PB | goes back to searching for an air compressor that puts out at least 8cfm at 90psi and doesn't need 220v. . . |
| 16:30.01 | chouimat|work | wonders what to eat at lunch time |
| 16:30.41 | CosmicPenguin | stares dumbly at the wall |
| 16:31.05 | chouimat|work | CosmicPenguin: you need a poster on that wall ;) |
| 16:31.12 | g1powermac_PB | takes out the wall with the large air cannon I'll be building. . . |
| 16:31.32 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: so, not much as changed since you moved over from AMD |
| 16:31.52 | CosmicPenguin | oh-ho... pretty feisty for a Monday morning |
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| 16:33.27 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: coffee and welbutrin work well together |
| 16:34.16 | CosmicPenguin | Indeed |
| 16:34.39 | kergoth | morning |
| 16:35.40 | g1powermac_PB | ooo, nice, the cylinder for my welder shipped |
| 16:36.05 | g1powermac_PB | can finally stop using flux core wire |
| 16:40.17 | prpplague | i feel soooo dirty for installing wince platform builder |
| 16:43.30 | prpplague | ho ho hum |
| 16:43.36 | prpplague | kergoth: greetings |
| 16:43.44 | prpplague | kergoth: whats cookin today? |
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| 16:47.48 | prpplague | sjhill: hey bud |
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| 16:53.29 | chouimat|work | gives prpplague a nice soap bar |
| 16:53.46 | prpplague | hehe |
| 16:56.22 | g1powermac_PB | prpplague: its sad that AML is going to the dark side |
| 16:56.35 | prpplague | indeed |
| 16:57.00 | prpplague | it is a tough and weird market |
| 16:57.20 | prpplague | where 99% of the market direction is based on hype |
| 16:57.39 | g1powermac_PB | isn't that all markets? hype and speculation? |
| 16:58.11 | prpplague | more so with this |
| 16:58.58 | prpplague | g1powermac_PB: for example, a customer who is using a basic telnet client wants to have a handheld with atleast 128mb of flash and 128mb of sdram |
| 16:59.12 | g1powermac_PB | wow |
| 16:59.19 | prpplague | g1powermac_PB: they have no clue about resource usage or processor speed |
| 16:59.20 | g1powermac_PB | thats alot for just telnet |
| 16:59.27 | prpplague | g1powermac_PB: its all about the numbers |
| 16:59.45 | g1powermac_PB | amazing |
| 16:59.52 | prpplague | they could have gotten away with something like 16mb/16mb |
| 17:00.24 | g1powermac_PB | yea, easily |
| 17:01.20 | g1powermac_PB | heck, the z2 would be perfect for such a thing |
| 17:01.36 | g1powermac_PB | which reminds, GPSFan awesome work on the z2 wifi stuff :-) |
| 17:02.39 | GPSFan | g1powermac: it isn't working yet. |
| 17:02.55 | g1powermac_PB | yea, but there's progress, so thats awesome :-) |
| 17:03.21 | GPSFan | prpplague: it looks like I need to declare the spi master in the machine code somewhere. |
| 17:08.38 | prpplague | GPSFan: ahh |
| 17:10.24 | GPSFan | prpplague: and probably load the pxa2xx_spi.ko driver too. |
| 17:10.38 | prpplague | ahh hehe |
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| 17:45.52 | sjhill | hey prpplague |
| 17:47.42 | CosmicPenguin | sjhill: whats shaking? |
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| 18:16.38 | sjhill | CosmicPenguin: hey, not much lately |
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| 18:18.03 | prpplague | ho ho hum |
| 18:18.19 | prpplague | this wince stuff is already driving me more crazy than i am normally |
| 18:22.34 | sjhill | winces |
| 18:37.17 | keesj | happy happy joy joy? |
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| 18:40.02 | prpplague | man the doc's for this stuff really suck |
| 18:40.38 | keesj | http://www.developmentboard.net/ also offers pretty cheap 2410 based boards |
| 18:42.47 | keesj | wat's it like to do wince ? |
| 18:43.22 | prpplague | keesj: so far it looks to be pretty much the same as linux, just have to deal with the graphical build system |
| 18:43.51 | prpplague | keesj: yea those are the embest boards |
| 18:43.55 | prpplague | keesj: they are pretty decent |
| 18:44.00 | keesj | I guess you have to write some glue kind of code or is it source based? |
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| 18:48.17 | prpplague | keesj: there are various levels of dev, the middle level has access to about 95% of the source |
| 18:49.51 | keesj | I gave my beagleboard to somebody else (jtag broken anyway) so I can contentrate on the nail kit 100% |
| 18:49.59 | keesj | 95% sounds pretty fair to me |
| 18:50.10 | prpplague | keesj: what happened to the jtag? |
| 18:51.30 | keesj | I think I managed to connect it the wrong way to many times |
| 18:52.26 | prpplague | that seems odd |
| 18:52.37 | prpplague | keesj: what are doing with the nail kit? |
| 18:54.03 | keesj | it makes that funny noise when you do that |
| 18:55.20 | keesj | I am pretty much focues on that jtag stuff so I am reading the arm920trm and trying things out |
| 18:55.51 | prpplague | keesj: you mean the openocd JRC support? |
| 18:56.19 | keesj | no jcr is for the bealge and with a dead jtag on the beagle I don't really care :p |
| 18:56.48 | prpplague | keesj: what jtag stuff then? |
| 18:57.27 | keesj | how to access the arm core, and program the embeddedice |
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| 19:44.33 | prpplague | sure wish there was a place to hang out with other wince devrs |
| 19:46.22 | chouimat|work | try msn |
| 19:46.24 | chouimat|work | runs |
| 19:46.58 | prpplague | yea they seem to be no help at all |
| 19:47.14 | prpplague | its like they are doing the RTFM in microsoft speak |
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| 21:40.18 | prpplague | landley: how goes the great perl battle of 2009 ? |
| 21:41.11 | landley | prpplague: Alan Cox weighed in. That's pretty much a nuke as far as I'm concerned. |
| 21:41.34 | prpplague | oh yea, i hadn't checked yet |
| 21:42.03 | landley | http://lkml.indiana.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0901.1/02108.html |
| 21:42.25 | prpplague | yea just read it |
| 21:42.34 | landley | Usenet remains the same: don't ask questions, post errors. :) |
| 21:46.10 | landley | Alan can come pretty close to making policy statements for the entire kernel. I can't. |
| 21:46.20 | landley | is very happy Alan decided to weigh in. :) |
| 21:46.25 | landley | Means I can stop arguing about it now. |
| 21:46.35 | agaffney | heh |
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| 21:52.18 | prpplague | hehe |
| 21:58.14 | solar | wow that thread still is raging on. it seems like common sense |
| 21:59.12 | agaffney | you'd think |
| 22:03.17 | archae0pteryx | Great perl battle? |
| 22:04.47 | roxfan | is there some site with nicely threaded archive? |
| 22:09.12 | prpplague | man getting a bsp for wince is a whole different ball park from using linux |
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| 22:14.08 | MonMotha | prpplague: oh yeah |
| 22:14.29 | prpplague | having hell getting everything i need for the s3c2410 |
| 22:14.38 | MonMotha | yeah |
| 22:14.58 | MonMotha | the WinCE BSP folks don't seem nearly as organized (believe it or not!) as the Linux folks, and there are also all the licensing issues |
| 22:17.35 | prpplague | MonMotha: plus it is complicated by all the different levels of BSP |
| 22:17.49 | prpplague | MonMotha: i have 3 different binary BSP's where you just link the items in |
| 22:17.50 | MonMotha | yeah |
| 22:18.01 | MonMotha | welcome to the world of commerical software |
| 22:18.04 | MonMotha | all you get is binary blobs |
| 22:18.12 | MonMotha | sucks, don't it? |
| 22:18.37 | prpplague | indeed |
| 22:31.06 | landley | roxfan: http://lkml.indiana.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0901.1/00150.html has weekly granularity, but if you don't mind a big break... |
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| 22:31.37 | landley | First half starts with http://lkml.indiana.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0901.0/00148.html |
| 22:31.47 | roxfan | thanks |
| 22:32.18 | landley | You're welcome. |
| 22:32.46 | landley | And lo, I moveth ye laptop. |
| 22:32.48 | landley | Back online later... |
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| 23:51.58 | prpplague | ho ho ho |
| 23:52.02 | prpplague | merry freakin monday |
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| 23:57.46 | joe_bleau | It was certainly a monday. |