| 00:02.30 | prpplague | mnemoc: ping |
| 00:14.56 | prpplague | ho ho hum |
| 00:15.00 | prpplague | grumbles |
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| 00:24.56 | Mirell | prpplague: Make the pain of tax paperwork go away |
| 00:26.36 | prpplague | Mirell: indeed |
| 00:26.43 | prpplague | Mirell: you doing it yourself? |
| 00:26.51 | Mirell | prpplague: I talked with a CPA this afternoon |
| 00:27.21 | Mirell | He seemed to recommend that our LLC be done as a partnership rather than taxed as an S-Corp, but that means quarterly estimated taxes, et cetera, and seems like so much more work. |
| 00:27.43 | prpplague | Mirell: owning a business in the US is alot of work |
| 00:27.54 | prpplague | Mirell: alot of people think it is all fun and $$ |
| 00:28.26 | Mirell | prpplague: True, but with an S-Corp, all the payroll would be handled by Paychex which we already have. |
| 00:28.47 | prpplague | Mirell: how many folks you got on the payroll? |
| 00:28.51 | Mirell | prpplague: As a partnership, apparently, we couldn't do wages, it'd be guaranteed payments.. |
| 00:28.54 | Mirell | prpplague: Just Rob and I. |
| 00:29.42 | prpplague | Mirell: ahh right |
| 00:30.20 | prpplague | i should poke landley about some "consulting" |
| 00:30.34 | Mirell | Hmm? |
| 00:32.10 | prpplague | is always broke |
| 00:32.53 | Mirell | Ahh |
| 00:33.14 | ds2 | ewwwwww payroll |
| 00:33.38 | prpplague | Mirell: i'm dying to find something that makes doing dev work fun again |
| 00:33.38 | Mirell | ds2: 'swhy I don't want to do it, and found a company that would. ^^ |
| 00:34.14 | ds2 | Mirell: how expensive is that? |
| 00:34.29 | prpplague | Mirell: from experience, i can attest that that is the right way of thinking, you want to do what you are good at, not deal with accounting issues |
| 00:34.31 | Mirell | ds2: We probably didn't get the best deal, but it's $80 or so a month. |
| 00:34.51 | prpplague | ds2: it isn't about the expense, the time, effort, and mistakes can add up |
| 00:35.00 | prpplague | ds2: it is well worth getting someone to handle it |
| 00:35.04 | prpplague | imho |
| 00:35.19 | Mirell | prpplague: Yah, which is why I'd rather lose a little bit of money doing it the S-Corp way, and save so, so much trouble. |
| 00:35.26 | ds2 | Mirell: per head? |
| 00:35.39 | Mirell | ds2: Nope, overall. |
| 00:35.52 | Mirell | ds2: Admittedly, it's only two of us |
| 00:36.05 | ds2 | prpplague: I know... |
| 00:36.29 | prpplague | $80, thats just 4 table dances ( or for landley 12 cups of coffee) |
| 00:36.30 | Mirell | Yah, they're also bonded, so if they screw up, they pay for the mistake. |
| 00:36.40 | ds2 | Mirell: do they also give you estimates on the total amount it will run you? (amount paid, FICA, other insurance, etc) |
| 00:36.49 | Mirell | prpplague: Hehe, 12 things of Chai. He doesn't drink coffee |
| 00:37.40 | Mirell | ds2: Yah, like I tell them my gross earnings with be $2,000 let's say, they say I need $2,300 or so in the business bank account to cover that for FICA, SUTA, whichever. |
| 00:37.46 | ds2 | Mirell: what state are you in? |
| 00:37.49 | Mirell | ds2: Texas |
| 00:38.59 | prpplague | ds2: Mirell and landley are in "little LA" |
| 00:39.25 | Mirell | Uhh.. |
| 00:39.31 | Mirell | Lord God we are not like LA. |
| 00:39.38 | prpplague | Mirell: says who |
| 00:39.42 | Mirell | See, prpplague, I don't fear for my life when I get in my car. |
| 00:39.43 | ds2 | which LA do you mean? |
| 00:39.46 | Mirell | prpplague: In LA, I did. |
| 00:39.55 | prpplague | Mirell: i ment culture wise |
| 00:40.12 | prpplague | ds2: Los Angles |
| 00:40.14 | ds2 | LA as in the hurricane state or LA the city that will soon become part of MX |
| 00:40.18 | ds2 | oh heh |
| 00:40.42 | prpplague | ds2: austin is the only place in texas that doesn't seem like texas |
| 00:41.05 | ds2 | TX is a big state |
| 00:41.20 | ds2 | and surely, there are rangers in Austin |
| 00:41.33 | Mirell | ds2: No, really, Austin is not a part of Texas. |
| 00:42.56 | ds2 | Hmmm |
| 00:43.33 | prpplague | ds2: it's like a bubble in time and space |
| 00:43.58 | GPSFan | prpplague: hey I got the libertas_spi driver to probe!! returned an error, but that's progress ;>)) |
| 00:44.26 | prpplague | nice nice |
| 00:45.00 | ds2 | prpplague: did you ever get around to posting that windowing package/library? |
| 00:45.00 | prpplague | GPSFan: libertas_spi is good, but how many sheep did you assault today? that is the real measure of success |
| 00:45.17 | prpplague | ds2: hell no, i've been balls to the walls finishing up for this show |
| 00:45.26 | prpplague | ds2: things will be slowing down some now |
| 00:45.45 | prpplague | ds2: i'll have more extra curicular time now |
| 00:46.01 | prpplague | specially since i won't be doing any linux dev |
| 00:46.31 | ds2 | prpplague:had to to ask... I been away on xmas activities for the last 2.5 weeks |
| 00:46.36 | GPSFan | prpplague: didn't assault any, we have a sick one which we are watching, hope he makes it. ;>| |
| 00:46.45 | prpplague | GPSFan: indeed |
| 00:47.26 | prpplague | GPSFan: i'm not a praying type person, but there is something about a sick animal that makes me wanna pray for it |
| 00:47.47 | prpplague | GPSFan: (i have no problems killing it for feed, just don't like to see one sick) |
| 00:47.56 | prpplague | s/feed/food |
| 00:48.14 | GPSFan | prpplague: me too, and the young ones are exceptionally cute. |
| 00:48.47 | GPSFan | we eat a lot of them, it's one of their jobs. we feed them, they feed us. |
| 00:49.31 | ds2 | are food sheeps also used for wool? |
| 00:49.54 | GPSFan | ds2: ours are. some others are, some not. |
| 00:50.12 | prpplague | jokes with GPSFan |
| 00:50.19 | prpplague | ds2: and some are used for other things |
| 00:50.39 | ds2 | prpplague: those things might not be appropriate for this channel ;) |
| 00:50.53 | prpplague | hehe, they raise alot of black belly sheep in barbados |
| 00:51.27 | prpplague | GPSFan: one time my wife and i were out on the porch having a drink and talking |
| 00:52.03 | prpplague | GPSFan: and a one belted off in the distance, i interrupted my wife and said |
| 00:52.30 | prpplague | GPSFan: "one sec, ok honey i'll be there after my wife goes to bed!" |
| 00:52.42 | prpplague | GPSFan: everyone just cracked up laughing |
| 00:52.45 | GPSFan | baaaaaaa ;>) |
| 00:52.58 | GPSFan | bbl, dinner... |
| 00:53.14 | prpplague | GPSFan: "i feel so violatteeeeeeeeeed" |
| 00:53.22 | g1powermac_PB | hehe |
| 00:55.17 | g1powermac_PB | just got back from his first guitar lesson he bartered with a local politician who needed some graphic design stuff done :-) |
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| 05:25.13 | ds2 | bah |
| 05:25.18 | ds2 | that was amazing. manage to trigger pasteby accident on a touch pad! |
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| 08:52.49 | damunix | hi all |
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| 14:36.42 | GPSFan | prpplague: morning... might it be possible for you to check out a connection to the 8686 on your magic z2 picture? I'm looking to see what the spi chip select line is connected to on the PXA270. |
| 14:37.19 | prpplague | GPSFan: yea i can see if i can have a look a little later today |
| 14:37.23 | GPSFan | prpplague: my first guess doesn't seem to be right, but if it is, I have further machine code issues. |
| 14:39.10 | GPSFan | prpplague: If I knew what the pin was on the 8686 I could watch it with a scope on a working z2, then again on one with the libertas driver. but you may be able to tell me what ball on the PXA it is, just by looking... Thanks in advance... |
| 14:40.00 | prpplague | GPSFan: np, i'll give it a shot later |
| 14:40.09 | GPSFan | ;>)) |
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| 15:22.23 | prpplague | note to self: don't install a bunch of BSP's on wince platform builder, during the initial builds it generates object files for all of the available BSPs |
| 15:25.43 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: really interesting stuff, the wince platform builder generates object files for all installed bsps |
| 15:26.10 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: how goes the new gig? |
| 15:27.32 | chouimat|work | morning |
| 15:28.00 | prpplague | chouimat|work: greetings |
| 15:28.38 | prpplague | throws "french" fries and "french" mustard at chouimat|work |
| 15:28.58 | chouimat|work | doesn't even moves ... too tired this morning |
| 15:29.16 | prpplague | chouimat|work: lazy french people |
| 15:29.23 | prpplague | jokes with chouimat|work |
| 15:29.27 | chouimat|work | prpplague didn't sleep last night ;) |
| 15:29.34 | prpplague | chouimat|work: oh? |
| 15:29.42 | chouimat|work | new gf |
| 15:30.18 | prpplague | ahh |
| 15:30.39 | chouimat|work | the day will be loooong :( |
| 15:30.41 | adyer1 | or is it more, ahhhhhhh? :-) |
| 15:30.43 | prpplague | chouimat|work: this one come with the leak repair kit? |
| 15:30.55 | chouimat|work | prpplague hehe |
| 15:31.31 | chouimat|work | prpplague could be worse, she could come with an annoying mother :) |
| 15:31.47 | prpplague | hehe |
| 15:32.04 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: goes well - I'm inventing the future overhere |
| 15:32.14 | chouimat|work | nice |
| 15:32.31 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: cool |
| 15:32.45 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: must be a nice change from re-inventing the future |
| 15:32.54 | CosmicPenguin | you mean re-inventing the past |
| 15:33.24 | prpplague | yea that was kind of an oxymoron |
| 15:34.19 | chouimat|work | is having fun .... porting a 500 lines patch across 12 differents branches :( |
| 15:34.40 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: thats not a very nice thing to call chouimat|work |
| 15:34.53 | chouimat|work | CosmicPenguin: ha ha ha :) |
| 15:37.27 | prpplague | ho ho hum |
| 15:38.15 | prpplague | taking me forever to get used to all the tips-n-tricks for doing this wince dev |
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| 16:00.27 | kergoth | morning |
| 16:00.35 | prpplague | kergoth: greetings |
| 16:00.44 | prpplague | kergoth: cold over there in AZ today? |
| 16:01.55 | chouimat|work | goes to his meeting |
| 16:06.06 | mnemoc | prpplague! good morning |
| 16:06.21 | prpplague | mnemoc: greetings |
| 16:06.49 | kergoth | 47 degrees right now, but today's high is 70. |
| 16:06.51 | kergoth | heh |
| 16:06.54 | prpplague | hehe |
| 16:07.53 | kergoth | man, we got a cat the other day.. getting it and our badly undersocialized dog to get along is a serious pain in the ass. right now the cat's isolated to my office.. so i cant work from home without leaving the dog out of the room, either with the door shut or a baby gate.. either way, i get to listen to the dog whine, and the cat meow, most of the damn day |
| 16:08.15 | kergoth | thinks maybe he'll just go into the office and deal with the animals when he gets home, instead of trying to get them to get along better while he's here |
| 16:09.01 | prpplague | kergoth: just a different kind of animal to deal with at the office |
| 16:09.29 | mnemoc | prpplague: did you already started the open wince community? :) |
| 16:10.09 | mnemoc | prpplague: you could attract other developers in the same position you are currently |
| 16:10.35 | CosmicPenguin | WinCE developers are not what you would normally call community oriented |
| 16:12.40 | prpplague | mnemoc: every other wince devr i've spoken to has basically said "Drop Dead!" |
| 16:12.48 | mnemoc | uh |
| 16:12.57 | prpplague | mnemoc: they aren't interested in sharing their "black magic" |
| 16:13.49 | mnemoc | i trust there are some (maybe just a few) open wince devs out there willing to share if they find a place where to do so :) |
| 16:14.59 | prpplague | mnemoc: yea i am sure there are |
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| 16:24.19 | mnemoc | prpplague: that's why I think you should start #wince (even alone for now) and a wiki :) ... i'm sure you will attract people (and maybe gain some adsense compensation ;-) |
| 16:53.57 | prpplague | wow, i got a kernel and rootfs for wince down to just 450k |
| 16:54.16 | prpplague | doesn't do much, but it is small |
| 16:54.45 | g1powermac | windows kernel down to 450k, thats unbelievable |
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| 17:03.12 | mnemoc | prpplague: how much room do you have? |
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| 17:05.13 | prpplague | mnemoc: we have 16mb flash but we also have a SD card slot, so i can use that for storage as well |
| 17:05.37 | prpplague | mnemoc: the goal is to get .NET Compact Framework and a browser on it |
| 17:05.45 | prpplague | mnemoc: under about 12mb |
| 17:06.12 | mnemoc | 4 free in the flash and SD for the user? |
| 17:06.49 | mnemoc | how big is google's browser for wince? |
| 17:08.03 | prpplague | mnemoc: we will be using the wince version of Internet Explorer |
| 17:08.45 | mnemoc | very MS-friendly :) |
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| 17:49.26 | GPSFan | prpplague: http://imagebin.ca/view/w_ta5k.html |
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| 18:30.52 | prpplague^2 | looks at the url from GPSFan |
| 18:31.14 | prpplague^2 | GPSFan: ahh dandy |
| 18:31.24 | prpplague^2 | GPSFan: my step daughter is sick and i have to take her to the doctoc |
| 18:31.32 | prpplague^2 | GPSFan: might not be back into work today |
| 18:32.12 | prpplague^2 | just FYI if anyone cares, looks like the trade show is going well with the M8050 |
| 18:32.34 | prpplague^2 | looks like 4 major retailers are interested in using the M8050 |
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| 19:55.57 | solar | cool |
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| 20:28.00 | prpplague^2 | solar: not so cool, none of them want linux, all wince |
| 20:28.18 | kergoth | :( |
| 20:31.17 | g1powermac | wants a linux running guitar, so i don't even have to play it ;-) |
| 20:33.07 | HcE | g1powermac: frets on fire? ;) |
| 20:33.55 | g1powermac | haha |
| 20:34.23 | prpplague^2 | kergoth: our problem is that we simply can;t get enough ISV's porting over their handhelds apps to linux |
| 20:35.21 | g1powermac | HcE, though I have lost most feeling in my fingertips on my left hand ;-) |
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| 20:47.41 | damunix | hi all |
| 20:47.47 | damunix | evening prpplague |
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| 21:17.35 | prpplague^2 | damunix: hey bud |
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| 21:17.46 | prpplague^2 | damunix: i started looking at the USB issue today |
| 21:17.52 | prpplague^2 | damunix: haven't gotten very far yet |
| 21:18.49 | damunix | which kernel ? .28 ? |
| 21:19.49 | prpplague^2 | damunix: i'm testing with .25 first to see if i can find the problem |
| 21:20.13 | damunix | prpplague: ok |
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| 22:45.22 | GPSFan | prpplague^2: are you back? |
| 22:51.14 | damunix | good night all |
| 22:51.18 | damunix | gook luck prpplague |
| 22:51.20 | damunix | :) |
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| 22:56.19 | prpplague^2 | GPSFan: back from the doctors, but not in the office |
| 22:57.25 | GPSFan | prpplague: ok, did you see my pix of the 8686, I believe that those are the correct labels for the pins. |
| 23:00.21 | prpplague^2 | GPSFan: yep, made a copy and sent it to my self via email |
| 23:00.30 | prpplague^2 | GPSFan: i'll see if i have time tomorrow to check it out |
| 23:01.37 | GPSFan | prpplague: cool, I think I have the cpu pins figured out, but because of the error in the probe I can't be sure. I'm sure that I have bugs in my machine code, I'd just like to start from a known starting point. Thanks again. |
| 23:02.58 | prpplague^2 | understood |
| 23:05.44 | GPSFan | prpplague: had a lunch meeting that went till 3pm, got nothing done today... |
| 23:05.57 | GPSFan | but did get a free lunch ;>) |
| 23:10.48 | prpplague^2 | hehe |
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