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| 00:15.12 | sunrunner20 | who's the robot guy here |
| 00:15.30 | sunrunner20 | isn't it cosmicPenguin (ironically) |
| 00:16.54 | g1powermac_PB | no |
| 00:17.02 | joe_bleau | You mean Robotguy? |
| 00:17.02 | g1powermac_PB | its, RobotGuy :-) |
| 00:22.31 | sunrunner20 | lol |
| 00:22.36 | sunrunner20 | there was soembody else too |
| 00:23.28 | sunrunner20 | trying to figure out the easiest way to estimate the rough torgue on a stepper |
| 00:24.14 | sunrunner20 | (accurate enough that it knows when a ball mill starts spinning the balls instead of milling) |
| 00:24.22 | sunrunner20 | wondering if I can get away w/ a good current sensor |
| 00:33.15 | sunrunner20 | ROTFLMAO |
| 00:33.17 | sunrunner20 | nice |
| 00:33.18 | sunrunner20 | http://www.allegromicro.com/en/Products/Part_Numbers/3967/3967.pdf |
| 00:33.59 | sunrunner20 | from a quick glance that will let me drive a stepper properly w/ a 555 |
| 00:42.20 | joe_bleau | Is the stepper spinning the cutter, or moving the table? |
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| 01:36.34 | joe_bleau | MonMotha: ping |
| 01:36.49 | MonMotha | joe_bleau: pong |
| 01:37.04 | joe_bleau | Hey, you and CosmicP were really helpful yesterday. |
| 01:37.16 | joe_bleau | That vga cable pointer led me to a solution. |
| 01:37.17 | MonMotha | oh, ok |
| 01:37.28 | joe_bleau | Had to rebuild the kernel, but now I can boot without connecting a monitor. |
| 01:37.32 | MonMotha | I think that was mostly CP :) |
| 01:37.43 | joe_bleau | Right, but he's not here to thank right now. |
| 01:37.49 | MonMotha | I see |
| 01:43.05 | sunrunner20 | joe_bleau: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ball_mill |
| 01:44.02 | sunrunner20 | normally the designs are run by simple DC motors |
| 01:47.01 | sunrunner20 | if you read the article, i'm using torque to see when cylinder reachis the critical speed (when it doesn't grind anymore) |
| 01:47.52 | joe_bleau | Doh. I was thinking ball nose endmill, as in a machine tool. |
| 01:48.15 | joe_bleau | What you're describing sounds like a very fancy rock tumbler. |
| 01:49.10 | sunrunner20 | lol |
| 01:49.20 | sunrunner20 | rocktumblers can be used as ghetto ballmills |
| 01:49.24 | sunrunner20 | but they tend to be weak |
| 01:49.43 | joe_bleau | Well, I was just a kid at the time. |
| 01:50.07 | sunrunner20 | it is however what I'm using atm |
| 01:50.08 | sunrunner20 | XD |
| 01:51.19 | joe_bleau | I wonder if you could tell by sound when the balls were spinning rather than falling. |
| 01:54.01 | sunrunner20 | easy |
| 01:54.06 | sunrunner20 | loud vs quite lol |
| 01:54.12 | joe_bleau | Yep, exactly. |
| 01:54.40 | sunrunner20 | thats another option |
| 01:54.56 | sunrunner20 | PWM drive a regular DC motor |
| 01:56.09 | sunrunner20 | but, looks like there might be an equation for critical speed |
| 01:56.14 | sunrunner20 | depending on its complexity |
| 01:56.27 | sunrunner20 | crud, reboot |
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| 02:16.11 | Mirell | Garr.. |
| 02:16.15 | Mirell | stabs kconfig |
| 02:17.49 | Mirell | Let's only enable this particular config option if 15 other things are selected because it's not written to handle reverse dependencies so that I can just get a checkbox to enable it, and those other 12 things are auto-enabled.. |
| 02:17.55 | Mirell | *stab* |
| 02:17.56 | Mirell | Anywho. |
| 02:46.56 | MonMotha | Mirell: yeah, that is annoying |
| 02:47.19 | MonMotha | you can have things autoselect other things, but most you can't have it both ways |
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| 03:26.33 | joe_bleau | Hmm. I wonder if I can copy my root drive (a CF card) using dd if I boot to single-user mode. |
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| 08:40.48 | damunix | hi all |
| 08:48.53 | Mirell | 'allo |
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| 09:22.33 | damunix | hi all |
| 09:31.30 | Mirell | Redux of 'all |
| 09:31.35 | Mirell | Er, 'allo |
| 09:34.11 | damunix | prpplague^2: morning |
| 09:35.02 | Mirell | Doubt he's awake. |
| 09:37.06 | damunix | no problem |
| 09:48.50 | Mirell | I am going to get so drunk when I get this working.. |
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| 15:15.28 | Chocobo | Hey prpplague^2, do you happen to have the link to the Hammer ISO? |
| 15:15.49 | prpplague^2 | Chocobo: yea one sec |
| 15:16.26 | das_plague | Chocobo: http://www.tincantools.com/prpplague/hammer-kit.iso |
| 15:16.52 | Chocobo | thanks man |
| 15:17.00 | das_plague | Chocobo: np |
| 15:17.06 | das_plague | Chocobo: you doing some hammer dev? |
| 15:17.41 | chouimat|work | das_plague: the name change is because your start to like wince? |
| 15:18.10 | das_plague | chouimat|work: no, i just started using das_plague when i'm at home |
| 15:18.16 | chouimat|work | ok |
| 15:18.35 | das_plague | chouimat|work: beside i don't like wince, just something i have to do |
| 15:18.39 | Chocobo | das_plague, Yeah, we might be making an autopilot for an RC airplane (to track lost marker buoys out at sea) |
| 15:18.43 | chouimat|work | das_plague: hehe |
| 15:18.53 | das_plague | Chocobo: ahh dandy |
| 15:19.28 | Chocobo | indeed |
| 15:19.59 | chouimat|work | decides to annoy his "Brittney Spears number 1 fan" coworker by putting some celtic frost very loud ... that will teach him ;) |
| 15:27.19 | das_plague | chouimat|work: hehe |
| 15:27.43 | das_plague | chouimat|work: the wince stuff is starting to make sense, i just don't care for doing everything via the graphical IDE |
| 15:27.59 | das_plague | chouimat|work: makes it hard to control things imho |
| 15:28.39 | chouimat|work | das_plague: true |
| 15:30.58 | das_plague | http://www.amltd.com/kdt750.asp |
| 15:31.15 | das_plague | last of the linux products from AML |
| 15:31.42 | das_plague | six months from now they'll redo it as kdt755 with wince |
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| 15:43.18 | chouimat|work | wow purolator tracking is useless |
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| 16:07.09 | JPascal | Hello all! |
| 16:08.07 | JPascal | I have promlem with network tools after build buildroot+bzImage and run in QEmu. ifconfig[207]: segfault at c ip b7f4e487 sp bfd6b8c0 error 4 in libuClibc-0.9.30.so |
| 16:08.11 | JPascal | How fix it? |
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| 16:11.02 | JPascal | I have promlem with network tools after build buildroot+bzImage and run in QEmu. ifconfig[207]: segfault at c ip b7f4e487 sp bfd6b8c0 error 4 in libuClibc-0.9.30.so (( How to fix it? |
| 16:11.39 | booxter | JPascal: use strace and gdb to catch the exact place of the problem |
| 16:12.16 | JPascal | Whis probler response when i compile kernel with network support |
| 16:15.55 | booxter | I don't get what you wrote. Try harder |
| 16:17.23 | CosmicPenguin | how can bluetooth be so useful and ant the same time so crappy? |
| 16:17.29 | CosmicPenguin | reboot time.... :( |
| 16:17.36 | agaffney | heh |
| 16:18.00 | JPascal | ok |
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| 16:59.09 | CosmicPenguin | hmmm - very interesting |
| 16:59.22 | CosmicPenguin | I can't get either of my bluetooth dongles to show up as high-speed on this box |
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| 18:06.35 | prpplague | ho ho hum |
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| 18:13.28 | prpplague | http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/01/16/firearms-associations-claim-obama-drove-surge-gun-sales/ |
| 18:13.51 | agaffney | people are stupid |
| 18:14.04 | prpplague | agaffney: in what way? |
| 18:14.21 | agaffney | stocking up on firearms because Obama is coming into office |
| 18:14.32 | prpplague | guess i'm stupid |
| 18:14.59 | agaffney | heh |
| 18:15.12 | prpplague | has purchased 3 more weapons in the last 2 months |
| 18:15.13 | agaffney | gun control != no guns for you |
| 18:15.26 | prpplague | agaffney: it always starts somewhere |
| 18:15.28 | agaffney | and what do you use these weapons for? |
| 18:15.55 | prpplague | agaffney: protect my home and for entertainment |
| 18:16.30 | agaffney | do you really feel like you need multiple firearms to protect your home? |
| 18:16.41 | prpplague | yep |
| 18:16.47 | prpplague | i have 18 weapons |
| 18:16.53 | agaffney | where the hell do you live? :P |
| 18:17.10 | prpplague | texas of course |
| 18:17.43 | agaffney | texas, where even the livestock are packing heat |
| 18:17.51 | prpplague | indeed |
| 18:17.54 | agaffney | :P |
| 18:18.11 | prpplague | agaffney: it all started with just handgun control in barbados, now virtually no one can own a gun |
| 18:18.22 | prpplague | (except the criminals) |
| 18:18.24 | agaffney | I have mixed feelings on that |
| 18:18.27 | agaffney | yep, exactly |
| 18:18.35 | agaffney | I think we'd be better off if nobody was allowed to own a gun |
| 18:18.41 | agaffney | but that doesn't stop the criminals |
| 18:18.47 | agaffney | that's the problem in the UK |
| 18:19.08 | prpplague | and in barbados as well |
| 18:19.25 | agaffney | but if you could somehow stop the criminals from getting guns, then I'd be all for a complete handgun ban |
| 18:19.33 | agaffney | just hand guns, though |
| 18:19.44 | agaffney | anything easy to conceal |
| 18:20.05 | prpplague | has a concealed handgun permit |
| 18:20.10 | agaffney | I have a shotgun, and the government can pry it from my cold, dead hands |
| 18:20.25 | CosmicPenguin | has MIB flashbacks |
| 18:20.49 | agaffney | immediately thinks of both Men in Black and SNMP |
| 18:20.53 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: MIB? |
| 18:21.05 | agaffney | and I don't think either applies :P |
| 18:22.30 | CosmicPenguin | Men in Black |
| 18:22.48 | CosmicPenguin | when Egdar says - you can take my shotgun from my cold dead fingers, and the alien says - your proposal is accepted |
| 18:22.54 | CosmicPenguin | anyhoo... |
| 18:23.10 | chouimat|work | doesn't have a gun at home and still feel secure ... |
| 18:23.13 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: ahh |
| 18:23.18 | CosmicPenguin | chouimat|away: thats because you live in Ottawa |
| 18:23.25 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: that's a common saying in the south |
| 18:23.26 | chouimat|work | CosmicPenguin: true ... |
| 18:23.47 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: yes - I know - its a common saying in the west too |
| 18:23.50 | CosmicPenguin | it just amuses me |
| 18:23.57 | agaffney | CosmicPenguin: ah, yes :P |
| 18:24.15 | agaffney | I have my shotgun, but I don't have it to feel secure |
| 18:24.26 | agaffney | I got it from my grandpa and go hunting ocassionally |
| 18:24.41 | CosmicPenguin | Somebody's got to shoot those tin cans and rural highway signs.... |
| 18:24.41 | agaffney | been a while, though |
| 18:24.45 | agaffney | heh |
| 18:24.47 | prpplague | wonders if there will be any good deals at Circuit City |
| 18:25.21 | chouimat|work | wow Zimbawe will be issuing a 100 000 G$ (G as in giga) bill |
| 18:27.28 | prpplague | chouimat|work: hehe, we had some problems with the accounting software that ABCS used to sell, they had a max of 9,999,999 value for a single purchase order, problem is when the unit is pesos, that max value was reached pretty quick |
| 18:27.44 | chouimat|work | hehe |
| 18:27.56 | prpplague | chouimat|work: the people doing the dev didn't ever thing someone would have more that $9,999,999 on a single purchase order |
| 18:28.04 | prpplague | s/thing/think |
| 18:28.11 | chouimat|work | prpplague: on the black market the bill has a value of 30USD |
| 18:28.23 | CosmicPenguin | don't laugh - that may one day be us.. :( |
| 18:28.56 | prpplague | there is a barbados $100BSD gold coin, but it regularly sells for about $300USD on ebay |
| 18:29.14 | prpplague | $1USD == $2BSD |
| 18:30.32 | prpplague | agaffney: barbados was the first place i ever lived where i had to have bars on the windows and doors |
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| 18:54.10 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: ugh, the BSP's for wince are soooooo nasty |
| 18:54.21 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: tons of hardcoded values |
| 18:54.30 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: misnamed defines |
| 18:54.36 | chouimat|work | hehe |
| 18:54.39 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: no standard naming schemes |
| 18:55.10 | CosmicPenguin | I am not impressed |
| 18:55.12 | CosmicPenguin | I hack on X |
| 18:55.32 | prpplague | short paste |
| 18:55.36 | prpplague | apex> go 0x30300000 |
| 18:55.36 | prpplague | Jumping to 0x30300000... |
| 18:55.36 | prpplague | Windows CE Kernel for ARM (Thumb Enabled) Built on Jun 24 2004 at 18:25:00 |
| 18:55.36 | prpplague | ProcessorType=0920 Revision=0 |
| 18:55.36 | prpplague | sp_abt=ffff5000 sp_irq=ffff2800 sp_undef=ffffc800 OEMAddressTable = 80305684 |
| 18:55.37 | prpplague | DCache: 8 sets, 64 ways, 32 line size, 16384 size |
| 18:55.39 | prpplague | ICache: 8 sets, 64 ways, 32 line size, 16384 size |
| 18:56.04 | prpplague | as far as i've gotten |
| 18:56.06 | prpplague | :( |
| 18:56.25 | CosmicPenguin | how many instructions do you make before it crashes? |
| 18:57.19 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: looks like it gets up to point where it needs to init the linux equiv of a initramdisk |
| 18:58.43 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: guess it is progress none the less |
| 18:59.10 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: a month ago i didn't have a clue about wince dev at all |
| 18:59.29 | CosmicPenguin | A month ago I was hacking on x86 |
| 18:59.30 | agaffney | and you're still wishing that you didn't |
| 18:59.34 | CosmicPenguin | things change |
| 18:59.49 | prpplague | agaffney: actually i don't find it that bad so far |
| 19:00.02 | agaffney | heh |
| 19:00.17 | prpplague | agaffney: it's mainly getting used to the nomenclature they use |
| 19:00.26 | CosmicPenguin | wince gets a bad rap, in my opinion |
| 19:00.47 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i'm beginning to agree |
| 19:01.07 | prpplague | basically the core portions of wince are provided as object files |
| 19:01.25 | prpplague | so you can still link in your custom stuff without having access to the core |
| 19:05.50 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i'm cheating a little, since we are paying A2E to do some wince contract work, i've been pestering them with questions and such |
| 19:06.01 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: so far they've been helpful without charging me, hehe |
| 19:06.14 | CosmicPenguin | heh - until a manager finds out.. :) |
| 19:06.37 | prpplague | yea |
| 19:07.04 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: well they don't specialize in linux, so i've been answering some of their questions too, so it's been beneficial for the both of us |
| 19:09.06 | prpplague | we have Toys-R-US, Macy's, Foot Locker, Staples, and Books-A-Million on the hook for some very large deals for the M8050 and the KDT-750 |
| 19:09.38 | prpplague | just one of those would be good enough for AML to have a good year |
| 19:13.07 | prpplague | really surprised at the lack of documentation though, no real "howto's" like on the linux/oss side |
| 19:17.25 | prpplague | prepares for engineering meeting at 2pm |
| 19:23.38 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i think i'm going to continue to do my initial board bringups with linux anyway, then get it running on wince |
| 19:23.59 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: wince doesn't "feel" easy to use for board bringups |
| 19:31.39 | chouimat|work | prpplague: I think in the windows world an howto is called a course |
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| 19:39.38 | prpplague | chouimat|work: yea, and lots of $$$ |
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| 19:41.35 | prpplague | chouimat|work: i've been thinking about documenting a bunch of this, but i'm wary of issues with m$ |
| 19:43.01 | chouimat|work | prpplague: you can document it for yourself ... then give the info when your "friends" ask for it ... |
| 19:45.32 | mnemoc | insists prpplague has to start an open wince community :) |
| 19:48.26 | prpplague | "open wince community" is king of like saying "friendly neighborhood Nazi" |
| 19:48.36 | prpplague | s/king/kind |
| 19:48.50 | prpplague | just doesn't sound right |
| 19:51.05 | mnemoc | screwedbywince.org |
| 19:51.10 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: "AMD to post $622 million goodwill impairment charge for ATI " |
| 19:51.21 | prpplague | mnemoc: microsoft would definetly be after me |
| 19:52.08 | mnemoc | understandingwince.org :) |
| 19:52.19 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: "AMD to cut 1,100 jobs in first quarter" |
| 19:52.35 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: jeeze, sounds like things are pretty bad at AMD |
| 19:52.51 | prpplague | thinks AMD should have done more with the Geode stuff |
| 19:54.36 | prpplague | welp, time to go the meeting |
| 19:54.41 | prpplague | :( fun fun fun |
| 20:07.15 | ZeZu | why they were slow and not so cheap |
| 20:08.16 | MonMotha | I don't like the concept of trying to "x86-ize" embedded devices anyway |
| 20:08.32 | MonMotha | I've yet to see it done well |
| 20:08.38 | MonMotha | even the Atom has several problems |
| 20:09.05 | mnemoc | got a confirmation that he will get a hacker version of the mips64 netbook (gdium) :D |
| 20:09.53 | agaffney | MonMotha: the atom isn't exactly "embedded" |
| 20:09.58 | MonMotha | agaffney: true |
| 20:10.13 | agaffney | I've got an atom running my home NAS in a 4U rackmount case |
| 20:10.15 | MonMotha | it really more targets SFF systems like netbooks |
| 20:10.26 | MonMotha | and small, low power fixed installs, too |
| 20:10.54 | agaffney | even netbooks aren't "embedded" |
| 20:11.03 | MonMotha | but I'd argue a NAS system could be considered "embedded". It's fixed function and generally runs without users modifying software |
| 20:11.07 | agaffney | most of them have copious amounts of storage and RAM |
| 20:11.27 | agaffney | MonMotha: a commercial NAS, sure :P |
| 20:11.31 | MonMotha | well, this comes back to the age old question of "please define 'embedded'" |
| 20:11.42 | MonMotha | it seems impossible to come up with a good definition |
| 20:11.44 | agaffney | this one is running gentoo and hosting files via NFS/CIFS |
| 20:12.12 | agaffney | in my mind, embedded usually refers to small and limited storage |
| 20:12.28 | agaffney | and not (easily) hackable |
| 20:12.56 | MonMotha | what about say an Android cell phone? |
| 20:13.20 | mnemoc | MonMotha: some define it as any computer not used as a general purpuse computer, and expected to run for a loooong time without human interaction |
| 20:13.20 | MonMotha | relatively hackable, lots of storage, but relatively fixed function, and most users will not modify its software beyond installing some apps |
| 20:13.50 | agaffney | MonMotha: damn you and your example of "cross-genre" devices! |
| 20:13.55 | MonMotha | mnemoc: I'm familiar with several definitions |
| 20:14.15 | MonMotha | the problem is that it seems impossible to come up with something that gathers all the corner cases and yet doesn't include everything |
| 20:14.17 | mnemoc | that's one is broad enough o accept a quad core :\ |
| 20:15.26 | MonMotha | there's the old question of PC104. Is PC104 embedded? You can get PC104 systems with 1GHz x86 CPUs, 1GB of RAM, and a CF slot for storage (16G easily possible). But yet, the hardware is clearly marketed towards what most would consider "embedded" applications. |
| 20:22.29 | mnemoc | i think it goes more on the usage than on the power |
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| 20:58.52 | prpplague | returns from meetings |
| 21:01.26 | mnemoc | prpplague: how was it? |
| 21:01.45 | prpplague | mnemoc: nothing out of the ordinary |
| 21:01.53 | prpplague | mnemoc: management still has no clue about anything |
| 21:01.59 | mnemoc | :( |
| 21:02.13 | g1powermac_PB | isn't that always a given, though? |
| 21:05.10 | prpplague | g1powermac_PB: it wasn't that way before, only in the last year or so |
| 21:05.31 | g1powermac_PB | ahh |
| 21:05.33 | g1powermac_PB | too bad then |
| 21:07.29 | prpplague | indeed |
| 21:07.43 | prpplague | i have serious doubts that AML will be a viable company in 2 years |
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| 21:43.04 | MonMotha | prpplague: well, they've outlasted Circuit City, so far :) |
| 21:44.52 | g1powermac_PB | so is best buy basically the only electronics store in this country, now? |
| 21:45.27 | MonMotha | their major brick and mortar competition appears to be wal mart |
| 21:45.35 | MonMotha | which is maybe barely in the same market |
| 21:45.39 | g1powermac_PB | yea |
| 21:45.52 | g1powermac_PB | hates walmart |
| 21:46.06 | MonMotha | I had no love for CC, but I have to imagine they had some effect on Best Buy |
| 21:50.17 | g1powermac_PB | hmm, AML may also outlast Steve Jobs too. . .seems he's now seeking a liver transplant |
| 21:50.27 | g1powermac_PB | http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=af4Bdn_Wfx7g&refer=home |
| 21:55.28 | prpplague | jeeze the perl for the kernel debate is still raging on |
| 22:03.23 | sunrunner20 | wait |
| 22:03.34 | sunrunner20 | perl in a OS kernel? |
| 22:04.00 | prpplague | sunrunner20: no, perl is currently required to build the linux kernel in some circumstances |
| 22:04.14 | sunrunner20 | oh |
| 22:04.19 | sunrunner20 | boo hoo |
| 22:08.35 | CosmicPenguin | until you have to build perl in your build system to support the kernel, and then it becomes less boo hoo and more WTF? |
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| 22:25.53 | damunix | hi prpplague |
| 22:26.35 | prpplague | damunix: hey bud |
| 22:28.29 | damunix | how are you ? |
| 22:28.57 | prpplague | i'm alive |
| 22:33.46 | sunrunner20 | CosmicPenguin: perl required to build or run kernel? |
| 22:33.54 | sunrunner20 | nm |
| 22:33.55 | sunrunner20 | build |
| 22:34.05 | sunrunner20 | i forgot for a second |
| 22:34.08 | sunrunner20 | headach >_< |
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| 22:46.58 | CosmicPenguin | doh - baby sick, gtg |
| 22:49.51 | damunix | Oo alive :) happy to hear that :p |
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| 23:47.10 | CosmicPenguin | I think thunderbird should have a CLI interface |
| 23:47.45 | ds2 | I think people should run MH instead |
| 23:52.29 | Mirell | Bah, use mutt. |
| 23:56.33 | CosmicPenguin | mutt imap is sickness |
| 23:56.39 | CosmicPenguin | it needs remote filtering |
| 23:58.19 | Mirell | So OpenWRT branched off the kernel mainstream *so much*, I have no idea what it's doing with the kernel to prevent normal MIPS binaries not generated by their environment from starting.. |
| 23:59.48 | CosmicPenguin | some sort of elf mangling? |
| 23:59.55 | Mirell | Possibly.. |