| 00:00.30 | Mirell | I think I'll just scale back the patches, and hopefully get initramfs working, and confirm that no I'm not insane, I can actually cross-compile MIPS.. |
| 00:00.43 | Mirell | Well, heck, I know I can, the kernel is working fine enough...so..grr.. |
| 00:00.45 | CosmicPenguin | That would be easiy enough to figure out - it would be in the headers somewhere |
| 00:01.15 | Mirell | Eh, there's a 2.2MB patch from the 2.6.28 kernel to their version |
| 00:01.24 | Mirell | I have no idea what crud they did. |
| 00:01.44 | CosmicPenguin | ouch |
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| 00:12.03 | joe_bleau | CosmicPenguin: Hey, thanks for the EDID info the other night. Found a kernel option to work around my problem. |
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| 00:12.16 | CosmicPenguin | joe_bleau: nice |
| 00:12.22 | CosmicPenguin | so that was it, then? |
| 00:12.36 | joe_bleau | Must have been. |
| 00:12.53 | joe_bleau | Others have that problem with Geode, and I found mention of a config option. |
| 00:13.00 | joe_bleau | Rebuilt the kernel and back in business. |
| 00:13.18 | CosmicPenguin | yay for bios, huh? |
| 00:13.41 | joe_bleau | Yeah, I still have gripes, but the first one is out the door. |
| 00:13.56 | joe_bleau | I guess this will be the first in house linux product we've shipped. |
| 00:14.49 | CosmicPenguin | With Geode, thats a major acomplishment |
| 00:15.37 | joe_bleau | Quantity will ramp up massively in the next month or so. I expect a 400% jump (from 1 unit to 4). |
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| 02:14.47 | das_plague | the hagis is in the fire now |
| 02:22.04 | joe_bleau | you're talking BSG, right? |
| 02:27.46 | das_plague | joe_bleau: no, my step daughter's father, we just had it out on the phone over his lack of child support |
| 02:28.20 | joe_bleau | Oh. Nevermind then. |
| 02:42.35 | CosmicPenguin | You want I should send some guys? |
| 02:44.25 | das_plague | CosmicPenguin: please do |
| 02:48.49 | MonMotha | totally OT, anybody in here happen to do much with glass? |
| 02:48.52 | MonMotha | like artsy stuff |
| 03:01.13 | solar | I've read quite a bit about glass/most things natural/earth based if that counts |
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| 03:12.59 | Mirell | will have to wait for Hulu for BSGH |
| 03:13.01 | Mirell | Er, BSG. |
| 03:16.10 | ds2 | I took a neon glass working class |
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| 03:42.33 | MonMotha | I'm just looking for a place that will sell me little cut pieces of colored glass, preferably that will also block UV reasonably well |
| 03:42.48 | MonMotha | I need some hi-temp gels basically |
| 03:44.22 | ds2 | oh |
| 03:45.56 | ds2 | why are you looking to block UV? |
| 03:53.39 | MonMotha | ds2: it's going to be in front of a halogen |
| 03:54.00 | MonMotha | and halogens do emit some UV, which is undesirable in this application |
| 04:01.30 | ds2 | MonMotha: why not take the top off a trashed torchiere lamp? |
| 04:41.10 | MonMotha | ds2: need something smaller, and I want colored |
| 04:41.35 | MonMotha | I want to do more than just filter the UV. I want colored light. In Japan, they sell fancy halogens with colored reflectors, but I can't get those here in 120V |
| 04:41.51 | MonMotha | and even the ones they sell in Japan are the wrong base stle |
| 04:42.04 | MonMotha | not to mention that they cost $30/ea (+ shipping from Japan)! |
| 04:47.29 | ds2 | You could get a clear heat reflector follow by the filters you need; that should alleviate your need for a hitemp filter |
| 05:06.18 | MonMotha | that would work |
| 05:06.25 | MonMotha | however, I don't have a lot of space |
| 05:06.30 | MonMotha | these are little spots |
| 05:06.47 | joe_bleau | RGB leds? |
| 05:06.49 | joe_bleau | ;-) |
| 05:22.48 | MonMotha | joe_bleau: I thought about going LED, but the effect just wouldn't be the same |
| 05:23.09 | MonMotha | these lamps are on top of an arcade game, and they are used to add to the nuance during play |
| 05:23.15 | MonMotha | so the fade in/out time is important |
| 05:23.24 | MonMotha | I know I could emulate it with an LED, but I just don't think I could get it the same |
| 05:40.06 | ds2 | use a projector |
| 05:41.03 | MonMotha | um, what? |
| 05:41.28 | MonMotha | there are 8 of these ligths positioned in a line |
| 05:41.29 | ds2 | a projector.... it lets you control the color and intensity in software as a video signal |
| 05:41.34 | MonMotha | they shine through a marquee |
| 05:41.46 | MonMotha | and I don't need to vary the color |
| 05:41.49 | ds2 | maybe have the projector replace all of them? |
| 05:41.55 | MonMotha | there are 4 colors (each light is 1 color) |
| 05:42.01 | MonMotha | it wouldn't look anything like the original effect |
| 05:42.04 | MonMotha | a projector that is |
| 05:42.24 | MonMotha | the original effect is 8 colored 50W halogen spotlights shining upwards, striking the ceiling and marquee |
| 05:42.39 | MonMotha | each of them is controlled by software |
| 05:42.48 | ds2 | a projector + mirror could emulate it |
| 05:42.57 | ds2 | mirrors |
| 05:43.26 | MonMotha | http://pics.livejournal.com/brianho/pic/002c1315/g128 |
| 05:43.31 | MonMotha | that's the original effect ( |
| 05:43.41 | MonMotha | a marquee would be in front of them, but it doesn't fit under his ceilig |
| 05:43.49 | MonMotha | a projector couldn't come anywhere close to replicating that effect |
| 05:43.58 | MonMotha | and certainly wouldn't do anything at all like it without a whole lot of work |
| 05:44.10 | ds2 | projector in middle with a mirror array |
| 05:44.15 | MonMotha | I'm talking about putting a piece of colored glass in front of a white halogen lamp. Simple, effective, and maintains the effect |
| 05:44.26 | MonMotha | I think you're totally off the wall here |
| 05:44.30 | Mirell | Heh |
| 05:44.47 | ds2 | projectors do some really amazing tricks |
| 05:44.52 | MonMotha | yeah, but not this |
| 05:45.02 | Mirell | Yah, to replicate that with a projector, |
| 05:45.06 | MonMotha | there's no room for the optics required to even come close |
| 05:45.16 | MonMotha | let alone all the software to handle the attack/decay of the lamps |
| 05:45.19 | Mirell | Whatever it is you're doing, you're getting payed a hell of a lot more than me to afford a projector that could do that. |
| 05:45.28 | ds2 | you are turning that into a large "air" light pipe |
| 05:45.39 | ds2 | didn't say it was cheap |
| 05:46.04 | MonMotha | I think your solution is overengineered, expensive, and completely impractical |
| 05:46.10 | MonMotha | kinda like devfs (except it wasn't expensive) |
| 05:46.29 | ds2 | I disagree with the completely impratical part |
| 05:46.36 | ds2 | the rest I have no arguments with |
| 05:46.41 | MonMotha | ok, almost entirely impractical |
| 05:46.47 | ds2 | :P |
| 05:46.52 | MonMotha | notice I didn't say "impossible" |
| 05:47.02 | MonMotha | I'm sure you COULD rig up a projector to at least come close |
| 05:47.07 | MonMotha | maybe |
| 05:47.12 | MonMotha | with a LOT of work and a darned nice projector |
| 05:47.19 | ds2 | how big are each one of thoselights? |
| 05:47.27 | MonMotha | they're standard MR16s |
| 05:47.43 | MonMotha | the diameter of the front of the flare is ~2" |
| 05:48.02 | MonMotha | the monitor in those pictures is a 42" |
| 05:48.29 | ds2 | monitor? I must look at it again |
| 05:48.37 | MonMotha | there's a monitor below the speakers |
| 05:48.50 | MonMotha | I was giving the size as a reference to give you a size idea for the picture |
| 05:49.08 | ds2 | oh right... I am on a wide screen and the monitor needed scrolling to see |
| 05:49.09 | MonMotha | http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/52/Iidx15.jpg/225px-Iidx15.jpg |
| 05:49.11 | MonMotha | that's the whole thing |
| 05:49.27 | MonMotha | (just a tiny picture - and a brand spankin' new awesomely shiny machine) |
| 05:49.42 | MonMotha | mine, sadly, is not so shiny |
| 05:50.34 | ds2 | that second picture givesa better idea |
| 05:50.46 | MonMotha | yes, but it's a lot harder to see the actual lights |
| 05:51.11 | MonMotha | I'm not sure how you'd go about accurately replicating the light effects up top with a projector |
| 05:51.24 | MonMotha | there's a lot of "splash" where the light hits various things in the ambient |
| 05:51.32 | MonMotha | which is why it has any affect on gameplay experience at all |
| 05:51.35 | ds2 | I'd hide a tiny projector behind that logo thing |
| 05:51.56 | ds2 | have a mirror assembly directly in front of it to split it into 2 halves and each light would be another mirror |
| 05:52.06 | MonMotha | that would front-light the marquee |
| 05:52.29 | Mirell | This entire conversation reminds me of this: http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/Classic-WTF-The-Complicators-Gloves.aspx |
| 05:52.31 | ds2 | not if the mirror is close enough |
| 05:52.41 | MonMotha | the marquee sits between the spotlights and the arch that holds that logo |
| 05:52.46 | MonMotha | Mirell: indeed |
| 05:53.40 | Mirell | In other news, I have taken a break from dealing with the bcm47xx stuff... |
| 05:53.58 | ds2 | the biggest problem is the brightness I think... the projector I am thinking of is basically a fancy RGB LED |
| 05:53.59 | Mirell | It appears the SSB stuff is not yet nicely merged in 2.6.28.. |
| 05:54.19 | ds2 | it is smaller then a pack of cards |
| 05:54.21 | MonMotha | ds2: yeah, this is a total of 400W worth of halogen lights |
| 05:54.29 | Mirell | It found the initramfs, started running it, then got Segfaults and Bus Errors. |
| 05:54.32 | Mirell | But, progress! |
| 05:54.32 | MonMotha | and you also have a ton of mirrors |
| 05:54.49 | ds2 | the mirror assembly and alignment might be a nightmare |
| 05:55.05 | ds2 | Mirell: what's SSB in this context? |
| 05:55.12 | Mirell | ds2: Sonics Silicon Backplane. |
| 05:55.21 | ds2 | ah |
| 05:55.25 | Mirell | ds2: Apparently what a lot of Broadcom chips are on. |
| 05:55.43 | MonMotha | ds2: or I could put colored glass in front of my lamps :) |
| 05:55.46 | ds2 | Mirell: Hmmmm |
| 05:55.53 | Mirell | I'm guessing the OpenWRT guys patched it to be able to address user-space memory issues, but that's 2MB of patches to wade through... |
| 05:56.25 | ds2 | MonMotha: I guess a littledisclosure is in order... I been messing with those DLP stuff for the last two months... manage to get a tiny projector out of it |
| 05:56.37 | ds2 | so mind is a bit wild when it comes to projectors at the moment |
| 05:56.38 | MonMotha | oh, I've seen tiny little projectors and such |
| 05:56.48 | MonMotha | I just don't know how in the world one would replicate this effect using a projector |
| 05:57.34 | ds2 | given enough incentive, there can be a way... but getting 400W of brightness even after losses from the filters is at best extremely diffcult |
| 05:57.55 | Mirell | ds2: If you happen to have some guru knowledge on what differs in the vanilla kernel versus emebedded distros for bcm47xx memory management, I'm all ears. :D |
| 05:58.16 | ds2 | Mirell: sorry, not a MIPS person. |
| 05:58.23 | Mirell | Alas |
| 05:59.40 | Mirell | I've learned a lot about it over the last few weeks |
| 06:02.26 | Mirell | Oh well, I'll just make harassing hand gestures at the Broadcom office when I'm in California next week.. |
| 06:08.59 | ds2 | hahahhaahah |
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| 06:35.37 | Mirell | Hmm.. |
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| 07:33.35 | Mirell | Time for some BSG |
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| 10:53.12 | Redhatter | Anyone tried building a i386-elf newlib cross-compiler lately? |
| 10:53.38 | Redhatter | thought he'd try his hand at some bare-iron (no kernel) development on i386. |
| 10:54.35 | Redhatter | At present, I've managed to get binutils-2.19 and gcc-4.3.2 built, but then newlib bombs out. |
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| 11:01.51 | Mirell | newlib? |
| 11:02.05 | Mirell | Ah. |
| 11:02.46 | Mirell | Only uClibc for i386 cross-compilers I know of. |
| 11:08.17 | Redhatter | Yeah... I've used it on arm (Atmel AT91SAM7X to be exact)... but I'm curious to try similar coding techniques on x86. |
| 11:09.56 | Redhatter | In particular, there's a 486DX/66 board I'd like to try things on... Linux is overkill for this thing. |
| 11:17.10 | roxfan | really? i used to run linux on a 386 ;p |
| 11:19.15 | Redhatter | Yep... I could run Linux on this... but I want to try something more lightweight |
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