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| 00:33.54 | prpplague | @#$%^#%&$^%&%$^&&#$%^#$%^@#$!@#$!@#$ |
| 00:34.31 | prpplague | is totally amazed at the complete lack of marketing/sales knowledge at AML |
| 00:34.42 | prpplague | http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS8728692945.html |
| 00:34.54 | prpplague | submitted to a linux website with pictures of wince |
| 00:35.03 | prpplague | and the aspect ratio of the picture is even screwed |
| 00:36.01 | SpeedEvil | :/ |
| 00:36.49 | kergoth | haha |
| 00:36.53 | Crofton | doh |
| 00:37.29 | SpeedEvil | And on that throwaway comment. Somewhere I've got a pic of my neo1973 strapped to a car battery. |
| 00:37.38 | SpeedEvil | (I was using it to log GPS) |
| 00:38.36 | prpplague | hehe |
| 00:39.20 | prpplague | totally amazing, you could not have intentionally created a more non-linux friendly presentation of AML |
| 00:41.36 | prpplague | i can't believe someone didn't walk over to engineering and as "is this ok?" |
| 00:45.44 | SpeedEvil | I'd suggest you email them an image. |
| 00:45.57 | prpplague | SpeedEvil: uh no |
| 00:46.14 | SpeedEvil | Ah. Internal politics? Sorry, I forgot. |
| 00:46.21 | prpplague | is beyond caring about anything other than making sure the software works |
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| 01:01.18 | prpplague | lordy i don't normally post youtube videos, but i think i'd have a heart attack after doing this - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7QpwDHOfZeg |
| 01:09.08 | SpeedEvil | The original chording keyboard. |
| 01:10.09 | SpeedEvil | ponders organ hero. |
| 01:15.35 | joe_bleau | I also saw the blurb on linxudevices for your new battery today. |
| 01:27.58 | prpplague | joe_bleau: has a bq27350 i2c fuel gauge in it |
| 01:28.16 | prpplague | joe_bleau: be a dandy battery for those who want to do stuff like robotics and mobile projects |
| 01:28.42 | g1powermac_PB | prpplague: cool video |
| 01:31.25 | g1powermac_PB | prolly couldn't ever play an instrument that required use of all four limbs |
| 01:34.46 | joe_bleau | Yeah, but I'll bet it's a pricey battery, too. |
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| 14:40.02 | booxter | <booxter> hello guys! I have a problem building the image with DirectFB because it can't fetch the source tarball from the mirror (no such file there). It seems that DirectFB was updated by upstream from 1.2.6 to 1.2.7 and then upstream developers removed the source tarball for previous version from their repo. Should we update the DirectFB version or an URI for the tarball? |
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| 15:44.35 | CosmicPenguin | CFP for the conference formally known as oLS |
| 15:56.07 | prpplague | CFP? |
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| 16:02.16 | CosmicPenguin | Call for Papers |
| 16:02.30 | CosmicPenguin | Sheesh, aren't you a scientist or something? |
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| 16:04.01 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: nope, just a grunt |
| 16:19.57 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: going this year? |
| 16:32.07 | CosmicPenguin | nah |
| 16:32.24 | CosmicPenguin | I'm too new, and If I'm going anywhere, it will be to an X conference, or maybe LPC |
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| 16:51.38 | CosmicPenguin | forget himself and did a disassembly in GDB to look at something |
| 16:51.44 | CosmicPenguin | Toto, thats not x86 anymore.. :) |
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| 18:49.48 | adyer | prpplague: nice marketing with the battery thing. rely on the rubes to not know a Wh from an Ah :-) |
| 18:51.41 | adyer | I like the little trackball, tho |
| 18:52.19 | prpplague | adyer: uh what? |
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| 18:53.10 | adyer | looking at the linux devcies article about the 8050, they're going on about the 'staqgering' 5200mAh battery |
| 18:54.50 | adyer | prpplague: comparing it to a laptop battery. conveniently leaving out the energy. |
| 18:56.35 | adyer | prpplague: also most laptop batteries are 3S2P and are considered 4400 or 4600 mAh these days |
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| 18:57.13 | Steffan | anybody here ever used the tcp/ip-stack from microchip/modtronix (for pic's) ? |
| 18:57.54 | prpplague | adyer: ahh yea, indeed |
| 18:58.15 | prpplague | Steffan: might try someone over in ##microcontrollers or maybe #arduino |
| 18:58.34 | Steffan | arduino == avr |
| 18:58.56 | Steffan | but ok.. next channel :P |
| 18:59.27 | adyer | prpplague: did you guys have to do all the 'pci' (not pci bus) compliance stuff for your credit swipe reader? |
| 18:59.58 | prpplague | adyer: no, since we don't do the actuall CC application |
| 19:00.12 | prpplague | adyer: the hardware itself is compliant as well as the kernel driver |
| 19:03.03 | prpplague | Steffan: i know #arduino is avr, but there are a number of people who use PIC's there as well |
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| 19:23.49 | prpplague | adyer: i didn't have anything to do with the linuxdevices.com post |
| 19:24.31 | adyer | prpplague: I gathered that from what you said before. Not blaming you for the marketing ;-) |
| 19:35.28 | mnemoc | i really dislike from linuxdevices.com that they "announce" scam projects and never retract, and they also ignore the related messages in the forum |
| 19:37.41 | mnemoc | nd even worse, they reference those scam announcements from other announcements "validating" them |
| 19:38.35 | agaffney | which scam project announce? |
| 19:39.32 | mnemoc | e.g. http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS3257992292.html |
| 19:40.29 | mnemoc | i got screwed on that one |
| 19:40.36 | J4k3 | wtf |
| 19:40.56 | J4k3 | somebody, quick, remind the idiots in marketing that netbooks are supposed to be cheaper than laptops. |
| 19:41.30 | J4k3 | bought at t3400/g41m/2gb/250GB 14" laptop yesterday for $399 |
| 19:43.40 | CosmicPenguin | mnemoc: how was that a scam (other then that they've delayed release). I know a guy that has hacked on oen |
| 19:44.03 | mnemoc | CosmicPenguin: they could at least reply my mails |
| 19:44.15 | J4k3 | mnemoc: those are delayed release too |
| 19:44.16 | J4k3 | ;) |
| 19:44.34 | J4k3 | theres been a delay: bikini party in tahiti |
| 19:45.01 | CosmicPenguin | hmmm - actually, i don't know if thats the same Loongson based netbook that I am thinking of |
| 19:45.07 | J4k3 | who needs income when you have venture capital |
| 19:45.33 | mnemoc | CosmicPenguin: after some research I realized their phone number was a mobile from china :| |
| 19:46.11 | CosmicPenguin | thats unfun |
| 19:48.08 | mnemoc | http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS2098390697.html also triggers my scam alert |
| 19:48.24 | mnemoc | I really wonder who valites the stuff linuxdevices announces |
| 19:48.37 | mnemoc | validates* |
| 19:48.39 | J4k3 | dude, realize what their role is |
| 19:48.54 | J4k3 | they're a website that takes press releases and shoves them on a website. thats it |
| 19:49.07 | mnemoc | :) |
| 19:49.25 | CosmicPenguin | pretty much - at one time, the guy who ran it considered himself a Linux player, but it turned out that he wasn't so much after all |
| 19:50.41 | mnemoc | I would be much happier if they would "Update: .... " the articles when people reports changes or big delays in the offers |
| 19:51.03 | mnemoc | so others would know |
| 19:52.05 | mnemoc | the company that announced the $99 subnotebook with a MIPS32 doesn't have it on their catalog anymore (only c7 machines) |
| 19:52.23 | J4k3 | I can get a mips32 laptop off geeks.com for $150ish iirc. |
| 19:52.44 | J4k3 | $99 might have been the target price before the dollar fell off. |
| 19:53.50 | J4k3 | theres two things you've gott fight right now.... the economy blows and claiming to make a linux-based product is cheap since you don't need a programming team to get the work done |
| 19:54.06 | mnemoc | J4k3: uh, i'm going to look :) |
| 19:55.03 | J4k3 | hrm i think they're gone |
| 19:55.34 | J4k3 | http://www.geeks.com/details.asp?InvtId=ALPHA-400&cm_mmc=GoogleProducts-_-Laptops/Notebooks-_-MIPSPowered-_-ALPHA-400&utm_source=GoogleProducts&utm_medium=ShoppingSites&utm_campaign=ALPHA-400 |
| 19:56.15 | J4k3 | I couldn't bring myself to buy one... it looks like it'd be a laptop on the same scale as those $10 mp3 players that just basically don't work, or work so badly you wish they didn't. |
| 19:56.53 | J4k3 | (I'm also a pessamist) |
| 20:00.42 | mnemoc | J4k3: did you ever see it available for immediate shipping? |
| 20:01.43 | J4k3 | yes, it was available 2 days ago |
| 20:01.49 | mnemoc | ic |
| 20:02.05 | J4k3 | theres a few other plaecs listing them (for more money) on google shopping |
| 20:02.37 | J4k3 | that being said, you can get a "lightly used" OLPC off ebay for $150 |
| 20:05.15 | mnemoc | I bought a gdium (hackers programme) today :) |
| 20:08.03 | mnemoc | this will be my last try to get a mips subnotebook |
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| 21:51.47 | davidc__ | anyone feel like testing something for me? [Firefox only, likely] http://www.carnelec.com/img/out.xhtml |
| 21:52.00 | davidc__ | Its a early proto of an online schematic viewer I'm working on. |
| 21:52.04 | davidc__ | well, schematic/baord viewer |
| 21:53.30 | SpeedEvil | Is there any beta testing fee? |
| 21:53.34 | SpeedEvil | Free donuts? |
| 21:53.36 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 21:53.51 | davidc__ | haha; you wish :) |
| 21:54.18 | davidc__ | Nah, I'm just hacking it together right now; was just curious if it actually ran in any browser except the exact version of firefox I'm using |
| 21:54.32 | davidc__ | It uses embedded SVGS, and a whole bunch of hackery, so I'm not terribly optimistic |
| 21:54.59 | SpeedEvil | I'm unsure if there is an off-by-one error in the pixel selected |
| 21:55.21 | SpeedEvil | it seems to me that I can't click on the very right-hand-side/bottom of any track |
| 21:55.28 | SpeedEvil | but can click one above the left or top |
| 21:55.43 | davidc__ | SpeedEvil: seems that way to me too; but that would be a browser bug; they're simply onclick'ed :/ |
| 21:56.21 | SpeedEvil | Oh well. |
| 21:57.01 | davidc__ | Anyhow; now to add support to my svg generator for pads + the like. I might consider open sourcing this when I'm done if other people are interested |
| 21:57.10 | SpeedEvil | It looks nice. |
| 21:57.27 | davidc__ | [I'm sorta nervous about open sourcing all my eagle-file-reverse-engineered-stuff, but eh] |
| 21:58.03 | SpeedEvil | I don't know if something like highlighting tracks based on mouseover of the categories at the left would be sane |
| 21:58.34 | SpeedEvil | Or popping up names of tracks/nets/widths/layer on mouseover of a track/component |
| 21:58.49 | davidc__ | SpeedEvil: all good ideas; I'll give implementing them a shot |
| 21:58.59 | SpeedEvil | this goes from eagle files? |
| 21:59.03 | davidc__ | SpeedEvil: yeah |
| 21:59.16 | davidc__ | I spent a few nights reverse engineering the eagle file format |
| 21:59.23 | SpeedEvil | Is it really an online schematic viewer, or online board viewer? |
| 21:59.28 | davidc__ | it'll be both |
| 21:59.32 | davidc__ | [eventually] |
| 21:59.33 | SpeedEvil | Nice. |
| 21:59.48 | SpeedEvil | is there anything OS that reads eagle? |
| 21:59.52 | davidc__ | don't think so |
| 21:59.59 | davidc__ | AFAIK, I'm the first to have reverse engineered it |
| 22:00.04 | SpeedEvil | just started natively in PCB |
| 22:00.26 | davidc__ | I'm a bit nervous about releasing that bit because I'm a licensed eagle user, and I don't want cadsoft to cut off my upgrade options :P |
| 22:00.51 | SpeedEvil | I'd offer you some really nice pasta and sauce in congratulation, but I think it'd run out of the envelope and go cold in the post. |
| 22:00.52 | davidc__ | I'd love to integrate the whole thing with some open source PCB packages |
| 22:00.56 | davidc__ | hahahah |
| 22:01.15 | davidc__ | eh; its pretty simple. I think I'm the first because I'm the only one to have tried :P |
| 22:01.45 | SpeedEvil | Going the other way would be nice too - but is more complex probably. |
| 22:02.03 | SpeedEvil | as you've got to understand everything. |
| 22:02.05 | davidc__ | from eagle->open source pcb? |
| 22:02.11 | SpeedEvil | no - the other way |
| 22:02.18 | davidc__ | oh, from online->eagle |
| 22:02.43 | davidc__ | there are a couple record types [signatures] that I don't yet understand; they're the ones related to which eagle licenses have most recently edited the file |
| 22:02.58 | davidc__ | its how they do the whole "created with an invalid / pirated version of eagle" bit |
| 22:03.14 | SpeedEvil | Which is probably a crypto signature of some form. |
| 22:03.20 | davidc__ | and I don't think I'd be able to reverse those without disassembling eagle; which I'm not gonna do because of the EULA that I agreed to |
| 22:03.32 | davidc__ | reversing my own files should be leagle though, because they're my own designs :) |
| 22:03.57 | davidc__ | *legal |
| 22:04.37 | SpeedEvil | isn't sure of the status of reverse engineering code in the US. |
| 22:04.46 | SpeedEvil | In the EU it's explicitly allowed. |
| 22:04.49 | SpeedEvil | AIUI |
| 22:05.00 | davidc__ | I'm in canada; so its a bit better; but I'm definitely staying on the legal side of things. |
| 22:05.40 | SpeedEvil | You think you've understood enough to produce good PCBs? |
| 22:05.58 | davidc__ | Well; for that I'd just use eagle's built in CAM software |
| 22:06.32 | davidc__ | I understand most of the file - there are a few bits I haven't sorted out yet, but I understand enough that I should at least be able to display my stuff online |
| 22:06.42 | davidc__ | I'm mostly interested in this as a nice viewer for my designs for when I put them on my website |
| 22:07.01 | davidc__ | so people don't need to view a huge non-interactive PNG, or download, unzip + load in eagle |
| 22:07.25 | davidc__ | also; that way when I post an article discussing my design; I can link to components + stuff, so it auto zooms + hilights |
| 22:07.30 | SpeedEvil | What - it can parse a eagle file online - you don't have to download it? |
| 22:07.39 | SpeedEvil | I mean - server-side parse it |
| 22:07.41 | davidc__ | oh no - I'd preprocess it |
| 22:07.49 | SpeedEvil | ah |
| 22:07.51 | davidc__ | and then upload the preprocessed file |
| 22:07.55 | SpeedEvil | Right. |
| 22:08.00 | davidc__ | its fast enough to do it real time, but no point in burdening my server |
| 22:08.23 | SpeedEvil | what's the backend in? |
| 22:08.52 | davidc__ | well; the uploaded stuff is all pure javascript; everything is preprocessed into the SVG data, and a javascript array [soon to be a few javascript arrays] |
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| 22:09.07 | davidc__ | the parser / formatter is all written in python |
| 22:09.21 | davidc__ | the parser itself is written using the Construct python parser-generator |
| 22:09.34 | SpeedEvil | needs to get into python. |
| 22:09.46 | davidc__ | [+ a bunch of hacking, because the construct library itself can't handle some of the ways eagle stores stuff] |
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| 22:10.25 | roxfan | any info on that Construct thing? |
| 22:10.45 | davidc__ | roxfan: construct.wikispaces.com |
| 22:10.51 | roxfan | sounds interesting but googling stuff named like that is tricky |
| 22:10.58 | roxfan | thx |
| 22:11.15 | davidc__ | roxfan: dunno if its the best; I just liked its syntax; and I found it early on |
| 22:13.31 | davidc__ | Basically; the uglyness in the eagle file format is that strings of a certain length are stored directly in the fixed length records themselves; or they make the string 0x7f; which means pop the string from the big pile of strings variable length record |
| 22:13.43 | davidc__ | and I haven't found a nice way to do that directly within construct |
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| 23:02.18 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: you never really see too many conferences that are about intergration of OSS with hardware, it always seems to be much more focused on the software side of things |
| 23:08.21 | CosmicPenguin | thus the S part of OSS |
| 23:08.29 | CosmicPenguin | and you are forgetting CELF |
| 23:27.26 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: even CELF doesn't seem to really get into the intergration part |
| 23:27.40 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: or atleast not in the areas i would be interested |
| 23:56.26 | kergoth | really wants to get to the plumbers conference one of these years |