| 00:00.08 | joe_bleau | prpplague: ping |
| 00:03.27 | prpplague | joe_bleau: yea yea, what the hell do you want? |
| 00:04.00 | joe_bleau | pm me with your email, please. |
| 00:04.11 | prpplague | no secret |
| 00:04.17 | prpplague | ~prpplague |
| 00:04.17 | purl | [prpplague] mailto:danders@amltd.com or Dave Anders |
| 00:05.31 | ds2 | is that going to be valid at least this month? :D |
| 00:05.46 | joe_bleau | Got a personal account? |
| 00:06.05 | prpplague | dave123_aml@yahoo.com |
| 00:06.12 | prpplague | ds2: as far as i know |
| 00:06.53 | ds2 | oh so things are pretty dry then |
| 00:07.29 | joe_bleau | Yeah, that one works better. Thanks. |
| 00:07.43 | prpplague | ds2: no i just mean that i have no knowledge of impending doom |
| 00:07.46 | joe_bleau | Boss man was pretty impressed with the bootup splashscreen/logo thing today. |
| 00:07.55 | prpplague | ds2: not that it isnt going to happen, just that i have no knowledge of it |
| 00:08.02 | prpplague | joe_bleau: ahh good deal |
| 00:08.03 | joe_bleau | They're taking a mock-up to a trade show. |
| 00:09.29 | joe_bleau | I'm always pretty tense when I run through a kernel config...is there any way to back up if I answer incorrectly? |
| 00:09.59 | prpplague | joe_bleau: if you are using make config, no, but make menuconfig is alot easier |
| 00:10.27 | prpplague | joe_bleau: if you want to backup a config just copy the working .config to something like working-config |
| 00:10.35 | prpplague | joe_bleau: i.e. cp .config working-config |
| 00:10.40 | joe_bleau | Yeah, that I've got. |
| 00:10.55 | joe_bleau | It's that there are so many freaking questions to answer |
| 00:10.58 | prpplague | joe_bleau: hehe gee thanks! |
| 00:11.06 | prpplague | joe_bleau: indeed |
| 00:11.12 | joe_bleau | Kinda get in a groove, and then wham--oops, that should have been on! |
| 00:11.15 | ds2 | prpplague: was thinking of something from you not from them |
| 00:11.28 | prpplague | ds2: oh |
| 00:11.43 | prpplague | ds2: as long as i'm getting paid, i really don't care right now |
| 00:11.45 | joe_bleau | Less interaction and more editing would suit me. |
| 00:11.52 | prpplague | joe_bleau: hehe |
| 00:12.56 | joe_bleau | When I code, I can scroll around and get some context, do easy stuff first, etc. |
| 00:13.16 | joe_bleau | With make config, it seems like it's 20 minutes of terror, hoping I don't hit the wrong key. |
| 00:13.28 | prpplague | joe_bleau: yea, i generally like to use make menuconfig |
| 00:13.33 | joe_bleau | But if you say menuconfig is better, I'll install curses or whatever. |
| 00:13.38 | ds2 | problem with that is then you find to make the hard stuff work, you got to redo the easy stuff |
| 00:13.38 | prpplague | joe_bleau: much easier to navigate the directories |
| 00:13.43 | ds2 | or "make xconfig" |
| 00:14.00 | joe_bleau | no x, this is on the little ALIX sbc. |
| 00:14.07 | ds2 | oh |
| 00:14.23 | ds2 | do the make menuconfig/xconfig on a desktop |
| 00:14.23 | prpplague | joe_bleau: yea, menuconfig makes it easier |
| 00:14.26 | ds2 | then copy over .config |
| 00:15.12 | joe_bleau | No linux desktop. OpenBSD on my servers. |
| 00:16.46 | joe_bleau | One of these days I'll expect y'all to help me submit a kernel patch. |
| 00:16.48 | solar | after all is said and done. I often diff -u old.config .config |
| 00:17.11 | joe_bleau | Had to make some very minor mods to the usb serial stuff (adding vendor/product id codes). |
| 00:22.37 | ds2 | qemu on the OpenBSD then |
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| 00:27.18 | prpplague | destroyed one of his 8050 cpu boards today |
| 00:29.02 | prpplague | solar: the audio on the 8050 is pretty darn good on the final rev of the boards |
| 00:29.14 | prpplague | solar: good enough to run as a mp3 player or PMP |
| 00:36.36 | ds2 | Hmmmm sell mag strip cards to authorize playing of an MP3 |
| 00:36.47 | ds2 | then the 8050 proceeds to download it |
| 00:42.27 | prpplague | ds2: hehe, i don't do enduser stuff |
| 00:42.36 | prpplague | ds2: thats up to management to brain storm that |
| 00:42.44 | prpplague | ds2: i just have to clean up the mess |
| 00:42.44 | ds2 | oh |
| 00:43.02 | ds2 | side business ;) |
| 00:43.11 | prpplague | i don't think so, hehe |
| 00:45.40 | solar | prpplague: nice. |
| 00:45.45 | prpplague | i hate it when i have to leave the office on a down note for the day |
| 00:45.59 | solar | prpplague: I had a chance to have lunch with miknix day before yesterday. |
| 00:46.08 | prpplague | solar: oh? he was in the states? |
| 00:46.22 | solar | I was going to pass off the 8050 to him while he was here but I could not find it the night before (was under my TV) |
| 00:46.33 | solar | prpplague: yeah he is here for some light conference |
| 00:46.55 | prpplague | ahh |
| 00:47.02 | prpplague | solar: doh |
| 00:47.06 | solar | said the customs was not a problem at all (which I expected). So I made him an embedded grab bag |
| 00:47.17 | prpplague | ahh cool |
| 00:47.28 | prpplague | solar: had i know i would have sent some stuff as well |
| 00:50.40 | prpplague | i was doing some tests with the power management today and typo'd a register address |
| 00:51.04 | prpplague | ended up driving all of the sdram address lines high |
| 00:51.07 | prpplague | fried the ram |
| 00:51.28 | solar | one cool thing. He brought me a bottle of wine/brandy mix called porto(wine) it's a pretty sweat desert wine. (not bad) |
| 00:51.40 | solar | doh. |
| 00:52.31 | solar | and now I gotta run home. You going to be online tonite? I've been meaning to catch up with you, but have been quite busy at work as of recent. |
| 00:58.01 | prpplague | solar: yea |
| 00:58.05 | prpplague | solar: on and off |
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| 01:04.19 | joe_bleau | Now since I've mod'd the kernel, I have to comply with the GPL, right? |
| 01:05.03 | joe_bleau | I think I'll just leave all the mods in the source on the drive. |
| 01:05.28 | joe_bleau | If they want it, it's already there. 2GB CF cards are dirt cheap, so why not? |
| 01:06.06 | prpplague | joe_bleau: yep |
| 01:06.26 | prpplague | joe_bleau: usually the easiest thing to do is to provide a patch against the base kernel |
| 01:06.48 | joe_bleau | Yeah, but I built the kernel on the shipping hardware, so why not just not delete it? |
| 01:07.34 | ds2 | or just put it on a website] |
| 01:08.02 | joe_bleau | I thought you had to do the whole thing, not just diffs. |
| 01:08.22 | prpplague | joe_bleau: yea, just keeping a patch is good for you too, since you might need to recreate it yourself |
| 01:08.28 | prpplague | two birds with one stone |
| 01:08.40 | joe_bleau | I've got a dd backup of the cf boot drive stored away. |
| 01:08.45 | prpplague | ahh |
| 01:08.57 | joe_bleau | Takes a lot longer to load than a 10kb diff, that's for sure. |
| 01:09.49 | joe_bleau | I went in a weird direction; started with base debian, added SDL stuff, got my code working, |
| 01:10.06 | joe_bleau | then started trying to mount read-only, fine tuning the kernel, etc. |
| 01:10.21 | joe_bleau | Maybe next time I'd be better off to start with buildroot and work up? |
| 01:11.33 | ds2 | use whatever works |
| 01:11.45 | ds2 | I don't deal with BR/OE myself unless I can't help it |
| 01:12.16 | joe_bleau | It was a real hack fest getting it to boot with the CF read-only. |
| 01:12.33 | joe_bleau | kind of an impedance mismatch, you know? |
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| 01:29.23 | solar | read-only systems I start with raw busybox and build up vs taking an existing distro and trying to slim it down |
| 01:29.57 | prpplague | solar: exactly |
| 01:30.04 | joe_bleau | Have you done both and had better luck with that method? |
| 01:30.14 | solar | yes |
| 01:30.28 | joe_bleau | It seems to make more sense that way. |
| 01:30.40 | solar | cuz lets face it. Most embedded systems don't need a full blown (read slow) sysvinit system |
| 01:30.48 | joe_bleau | (I was fully prepared to let 'em run read-write on CF if I had to for a couple of weeks.) |
| 01:30.59 | ds2 | or for that matter, even an init |
| 01:31.01 | joe_bleau | Hmm. quicker boots would be nice. |
| 01:31.20 | ds2 | redo the sysv init startup scripts |
| 01:31.22 | solar | even udev is overkill for the most part. busybox's mdev is a good alternative when you still want some dynamic device file handling. |
| 01:31.34 | ds2 | just use a static dev |
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| 01:31.48 | ds2 | how often do hardware change on the fly on an embedded system? |
| 01:32.02 | solar | for usb it comes in handy |
| 01:32.08 | solar | but you have a very valid point |
| 01:32.29 | joe_bleau | I'm using usb for field updates. |
| 01:32.45 | joe_bleau | At boot, if sda is present, mount it. If the update.sh file is there, run it. |
| 01:32.48 | ds2 | but on an embedded system, you are not support any arbitrary thing... for things like media, just have /dev/sda[123456789] and /dev/sr0 and be done with |
| 01:32.51 | solar | or PDA's that have removal MMC/SD storage. dynamic is good there also |
| 01:33.15 | ds2 | no reason to create and destroy /dev nodes |
| 01:33.26 | ds2 | check /dev or attempt to open to see if the device is present |
| 01:33.34 | SpeedEvil | solar: well - partially |
| 01:33.51 | SpeedEvil | solar: you really want to be able to suspend, and resume with the same device |
| 01:33.56 | SpeedEvil | solar: keeping it mounted |
| 01:34.08 | solar | SpeedEvil: hotplug events mostly I'm thinking |
| 01:34.22 | SpeedEvil | yeah |
| 01:34.32 | SpeedEvil | is having htat annoyance wiht his eeepc |
| 01:34.50 | SpeedEvil | It unclean unmounts on suspend the SD |
| 01:34.50 | solar | speaking of the eeepc.. What do you think of it? |
| 01:34.55 | SpeedEvil | Umm. |
| 01:34.58 | ds2 | what annoyance? the pop-up on resume if you have removeable media ? |
| 01:34.59 | SpeedEvil | Several issues. |
| 01:35.12 | solar | I'm torn between picking one of those up or the MSI wind |
| 01:35.14 | ds2 | and which eeePC do you have? |
| 01:35.25 | SpeedEvil | I've got a 900 - I meant to get a 900A - but was unable to retuyrm my 900, due to a big scratch I put on it. |
| 01:35.34 | SpeedEvil | (better battery life on the 900A) |
| 01:36.05 | solar | just knows he is sick of lugging this heavy old dell around in airports |
| 01:36.10 | SpeedEvil | To put my comments into context, I previously had a PII/300 1.1Kg laptop with 8 hours standby, and a nice 10.1" screen (non-widescreen) |
| 01:36.21 | agaffney | solar: what model? |
| 01:36.34 | solar | old inspiron 5100 |
| 01:36.36 | SpeedEvil | The screen is quite a bit smaller, I'm not sure I can live with it long-term. |
| 01:37.02 | SpeedEvil | I can't comfortably use it on my lap, unlike the other computer, due to the screen size. |
| 01:37.26 | SpeedEvil | Mechanically it feels fine, apart from the mousepad, which it's almost impossible to click the third button. |
| 01:37.36 | solar | agaffney: if you mean the eeepc.. Then the most recent one with the atom.. But then I already asked you for input on this topic |
| 01:37.56 | SpeedEvil | As I understand it, the 900A doesn't address these issues at all. |
| 01:38.03 | ds2 | nope |
| 01:38.06 | SpeedEvil | Just has moderately better battery life. |
| 01:38.10 | ds2 | the 900A tends to be screen heavy |
| 01:38.11 | agaffney | solar: nope, was talking about the dell |
| 01:38.18 | ds2 | how much battery life do you get on the 900? |
| 01:38.20 | solar | looks like the next ELC is going to be in SFO vs MTV |
| 01:38.24 | SpeedEvil | ds2: 2.? hours |
| 01:38.36 | SpeedEvil | Which is an annoying stepdown from 8 |
| 01:38.51 | ds2 | SpeedEvil: that isn't that muchworse then the 900A... I only get about 3ish |
| 01:39.06 | SpeedEvil | (re-celled the laptop, it used to get about 3, with 1300mAh cells, it most recently had 2.2Ah.) |
| 01:40.05 | SpeedEvil | What I really want is a laptop I can sit on. That has a good battery life, and is light. |
| 01:40.52 | agaffney | you want to be able to sit on your laptop? :P |
| 01:41.04 | SpeedEvil | I sat on my previous one, and it diddn't do so well. |
| 01:41.07 | agaffney | heh |
| 01:41.17 | SpeedEvil | So that would be a nice feature. |
| 01:41.22 | agaffney | dell has those latitude ATG models that are "rough" |
| 01:41.29 | agaffney | not sure if they're sit-proof, however |
| 01:41.55 | SpeedEvil | I trod on the above laptop - Toshiba 3110CT - and it works fine - apart from the screen. |
| 01:42.03 | SpeedEvil | I sat on a previous one. |
| 01:42.59 | agaffney | maybe you should just be less clumsy ;) |
| 01:43.25 | SpeedEvil | agaffney: I want technological solutions to all my problems. I shouldn't have to learn stuff. |
| 01:43.26 | solar | devices need to be made better |
| 01:43.45 | agaffney | I doubt the screen on any laptop will survive being sat on |
| 01:44.04 | solar | I think it will if you use better abs plastics or metal |
| 01:44.16 | SpeedEvil | The key isn't really the materials. |
| 01:44.30 | SpeedEvil | It's using enough of them, and leaving enough space for them to bend without stressing stuff |
| 01:44.37 | solar | did you sit on it open faced? |
| 01:44.40 | SpeedEvil | no |
| 01:45.04 | solar | then unless you are >600lbs.. It's going to be hard to bend metal |
| 01:45.12 | SpeedEvil | Err... |
| 01:45.27 | agaffney | SpeedEvil: "leaving enough space for them to bend" == bigger laptop |
| 01:45.27 | SpeedEvil | Metal is not some magical infinitely strong stuff. |
| 01:45.41 | agaffney | thin metal can easily flex without "bending" |
| 01:45.50 | SpeedEvil | Especially in the thicknesses used in your average laptop |
| 01:46.57 | solar | SpeedEvil: I'd beg to differ depending on the metal in question. Clearly you don't want to use gold. stainless steel about say as think as your standard kitchen fork would be quite rugged (just not lite) |
| 01:48.05 | SpeedEvil | steel laptop cases would however be rather heavy |
| 01:48.17 | SpeedEvil | aluminum alloy is lots stiffer per unit weight |
| 01:48.28 | SpeedEvil | As you can go thicker, which helps considerably |
| 01:49.28 | solar | but clearly nobody is going to start making anything like that anytime soon really. So watch where you sit till then :) |
| 01:53.26 | solar | prpplague: still around? where are your current kernel .config for the AML working with sound/balltrack and everything else? I'd like to make sure I have the right options enabled in userland for the kernel sound method |
| 02:06.29 | MonMotha | solar: um, Panasonic Toughbook? |
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| 02:07.58 | MonMotha | In the closed position, you can do just about anything reasonable to them. When open, just about anything normal or somewhat abnormal that doesn't involve a sharp blow to the screen isn't likely to cause major damage (i.e. something requiring component replacement) |
| 02:08.21 | MonMotha | and "reasonable" for those things involves being run over by a truck |
| 02:12.19 | solar | I think he just wants to sit on it. Not jump on it |
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| 02:18.47 | prpplague | solar: bbiaf |
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| 14:54.24 | prpplague | solar: sorry about last night, had a couple of beers and ended up falling asleep on the couch watching tv |
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| 15:04.46 | mnemoc | :) |
| 15:06.44 | mnemoc | imagines prpplague like homer simsons on the couch :p |
| 15:06.55 | prpplague | mnemoc: you are pretty close |
| 15:07.06 | mnemoc | simpson* |
| 15:07.10 | mnemoc | prpplague: :) |
| 15:07.20 | prpplague | mnemoc: even had a doughnut last night |
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| 15:07.26 | mnemoc | :D |
| 15:08.27 | solar | prpplague: no matter. that bottle of porto kicked my rear and I went to bed around 9pm |
| 15:08.39 | prpplague | solar: hehe |
| 15:12.21 | prpplague | ho ho hum |
| 15:12.28 | prpplague | engineering meeting in 15 minutes :( |
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| 15:46.02 | CosmicPenguin | DTV transition is probably going to be delayed |
| 15:46.04 | CosmicPenguin | I am not amused |
| 15:46.40 | kergoth | gasp, http://lwn.net/Articles/316282/rss |
| 15:58.34 | agaffney | CosmicPenguin: does this really surprise you? |
| 15:58.55 | SpeedEvil | some bits of the UK have already switched |
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| 16:00.24 | SpeedEvil | Though we're stuck with a crappy legacy digital radio standard. |
| 16:00.25 | SpeedEvil | MP2-- |
| 16:00.32 | CosmicPenguin | agaffney: to be honest, yes |
| 16:00.39 | CosmicPenguin | agaffney: I thought that we had finally decided to rip the bandage clean off |
| 16:00.49 | agaffney | CosmicPenguin: not all of us, apparently :P |
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| 16:32.57 | damunix | good evening |
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| 17:14.56 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: there is a Windows Mobile Developers and Enthusiasts |
| 17:15.00 | CosmicPenguin | group on LinkedIn |
| 17:15.31 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: oh yea? didn't even think to look there |
| 17:15.51 | prpplague | is in a pissy mood |
| 17:16.46 | CosmicPenguin | One of my friends who is a WM developer joined it |
| 17:19.34 | prpplague | ahh |
| 17:21.25 | CosmicPenguin | I know two WM developers, and oddly enough, both work for Qualcomm |
| 17:29.11 | mnemoc | prpplague: the mood is because of the meeting? |
| 17:29.30 | prpplague | mnemoc: yea |
| 17:30.19 | mnemoc | :\ |
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| 18:38.52 | prpplague | any udev gurus around? |
| 18:39.19 | agaffney | define guru |
| 18:39.23 | agaffney | what do you need to do with it? |
| 18:44.07 | prpplague | agaffney: i need to block udev from probing /dev/mtdblock0 |
| 18:44.38 | agaffney | I don't think udev "probes" /dev devices |
| 18:44.48 | agaffney | it scans /sys and creates /dev nodes |
| 18:45.17 | prpplague | agaffney: right, what i mean is i don't want it doing anything with mtdblock0 |
| 18:45.51 | prpplague | agaffney: i want it to ignore /sys/block/mtdblock0 |
| 18:46.48 | agaffney | can't help you there :P |
| 18:46.53 | agaffney | although, I'm sure there's a way |
| 19:02.36 | prpplague | got it, just need to add it to the list of skiped items in the permanent storage item |
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| 20:23.48 | prpplague | ho ho hum |
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| 21:16.01 | damunix | 'evening prpplague |
| 21:34.12 | prpplague | damunix: greetings |
| 21:34.14 | prpplague | ho ho hum |
| 21:37.58 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i wonder how good the windows ce group is on linkedin, the linux/oss ones aren't that active |
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| 23:13.09 | SpeedEvil | Random question. I'm looking for an mp3 player to integrate into a digital radio ( http://www.pure.com/products/product.asp?Product=VL-60775 ). There are quite a few rather expensive boards around that'll do it - I'm looking for a cheap SD player that has no display, and will accept 'track back/forward' buttons pressed rapidly. Anyone happen to have pulled apart one from ebay that sort-of-matches this description? |
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| 23:53.16 | prpplague | ho ho hum |
| 23:53.22 | prpplague | hates friday night |
| 23:53.44 | solar | why is that? |
| 23:56.47 | prpplague | left overs from geekdom of highschool |
| 23:57.15 | prpplague | solar: whats cookin this evening? |
| 23:58.55 | prpplague | solar: rough day at work too |
| 23:59.03 | prpplague | hates office politics |
| 23:59.11 | prpplague | why can't i just do my job? |