| 00:04.00 | prpplague | solar: i've got just about everything up and running on 2.6.28 |
| 00:04.18 | prpplague | solar: the 2.6.25 is ok, but the 2.6.28 is much more robust |
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| 00:05.12 | florian | hi all |
| 00:05.36 | prpplague | florian: greetings |
| 00:06.01 | prpplague | florian: our little corner of embedded dev |
| 00:07.03 | florian | prpplague: looks nice in here :) |
| 00:07.50 | prpplague | florian: mostly dev professionals during the day, low noise , hehe |
| 00:08.24 | florian | prpplague: which day? ;) |
| 00:09.13 | prpplague | florian: hehe, 8-6 EST |
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| 00:10.01 | florian | has MET here - 1am |
| 00:10.08 | florian | hi brolin |
| 00:17.57 | brolin | hi florian |
| 00:18.32 | adyer | florian: are you anywhere near Stuttgart? |
| 00:19.11 | prpplague | brolin: howdy, what brings you to #edev |
| 00:19.32 | florian | adyer: It depends how you define 'near'... compared with prpplague - yes :) |
| 00:20.01 | florian | adyer: Its about 300km from here |
| 00:21.03 | brolin | prpplague: i'm starting in the world of embedded systems |
| 00:21.04 | adyer | florian: good, here's what I need you to do: drive to the ERNI warehouse, steal me some connector samples, and send them to the US :-) |
| 00:21.04 | florian | adyer: hehe |
| 00:21.34 | adyer | florian: every time I ask for samples, I get answers like "Germany is closed today, please try again later..." :-) |
| 00:23.28 | florian | adyer: I could try from Germany at least. Sometimes I really wonder about companies that seem to try to avoid to make business. |
| 00:24.15 | adyer | florian: just kidding. I'm only venting - I think the local sales geniuses have at least something to do with it. |
| 00:26.35 | Crofton | they probablu call germany afte their lunch |
| 00:30.32 | adyer | brolin: what are you starting with? |
| 00:31.00 | brolin | with a beagleboard |
| 00:31.33 | brolin | is interesting this project, the community around is so dinamic |
| 00:32.51 | brolin | here in colombia, the develop on embedded system is limited to research groups, my idea is give it to low level students in career |
| 00:35.16 | brolin | this is my university degree project |
| 00:36.43 | brolin | and the beagle is the tool, due to its low cost compared with other boards and the community around |
| 00:37.27 | florian | brolin: the beagleboard is a quite good choice to get started with embedded stuff. |
| 00:37.42 | brolin | i don't know if you understand me, my english broken |
| 00:37.49 | brolin | ;-) |
| 00:38.14 | florian | the only major disadvantage is the speed - its way faster than most other embedded devices |
| 00:38.59 | florian | notices that he is very close to Stuttgart compared to brolin too ;) |
| 00:39.06 | brolin | jajaja |
| 00:39.44 | brolin | florian: explain what you mean |
| 00:40.47 | brolin | please |
| 00:41.39 | florian | brolin: adyer asked if I was near to Stuttgart (a city in Germany) and I started to guess what he might mean with "near" |
| 00:42.05 | adyer | brolin: your english is fine. I think it depends on where you come from - beagleboard is a very rich environment, I started with small 8-bit microcontrollers (8048) so the beagle board seems almost extravagant |
| 00:42.19 | brolin | ok, about de speed |
| 00:43.12 | brolin | adyer: we work a lot with microcontroller, atmega, freescale, pic |
| 00:44.12 | ds2 | the BB is almost like a super low power desktop board |
| 00:45.09 | brolin | in my formation, i have subjects that treat these topics, even DSPs |
| 00:48.15 | brolin | my idea with the BB is explore all the path to get it working, document it in spanish, and generate some guides for student's labs |
| 00:50.31 | ds2 | go for it... put a translation project in the BB site too |
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| 00:51.38 | florian | needs some sleep - good night |
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| 00:55.13 | brolin | ds2: i had not thought about it before, good idea |
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| 07:49.17 | methril | yo |
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| 09:59.21 | keesj | solar: indeed the svn version doesn't work for me , but there is flyswatter support |
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| 10:23.48 | florian | good morning |
| 10:48.31 | keesj | hi florian |
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| 14:32.34 | mnemoc | wb prpplague :) |
| 14:32.41 | prpplague | mnemoc: greetings |
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| 16:51.10 | prpplague | hmm, how do you get chanserv to go to a new channel? |
| 16:53.33 | CosmicPenguin | you have to request it from the ops, I believe |
| 16:54.00 | chouimat|work | morning |
| 16:54.12 | kergoth | i think its /msg chanserv register or somesuch, then theres an option to set to make it stay in the channel |
| 16:54.15 | kergoth | its been a while |
| 16:54.24 | kergoth | tries to get used to the fact that OpenEmbedded is now a nonprofit and has a new logo |
| 16:55.02 | prpplague | ahh set guard on |
| 16:55.46 | florian | kergoth: don't worry, the new logo is not really established yet ;) |
| 16:56.21 | kergoth | true. its not bad though |
| 16:57.49 | Crofton | I think there is one more step to become a non-profit :) |
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| 17:01.24 | florian | Crofton: Actually we are a non-profit entitiy (that's defined in the statutes which havebeen accepted) but tax-exemption status we need to request separately |
| 17:01.53 | Crofton | ah |
| 17:02.17 | Crofton | crazy German laws |
| 17:02.29 | florian | yeah |
| 17:02.59 | Crofton | I wonder if the Belgians have a government yet? |
| 17:03.04 | prpplague | okie dokie, if anyone is interested, just registered #s3cxxxx for the discussion of s3c series SoC's |
| 17:04.03 | florian | Crofton|work: pvanhoof might know ;) |
| 17:04.31 | Crofton|work | I talked to some guys at the beer event about it last year |
| 17:04.47 | Crofton|work | more interesting than trying to explain US politics :) |
| 17:07.48 | prpplague | Crofton|work: amen |
| 17:09.06 | CosmicPenguin | At least when the phone rings at the white house, somebody picks up.. :) |
| 17:10.03 | prpplague | and answers "hello, big government charities, how can we help?" |
| 17:11.47 | CosmicPenguin | see, I knew you would patch things up with the grand old party.. :) |
| 17:12.15 | prpplague | hehe, nope, GOP doesn't represent my beliefs, and neither to the dems |
| 17:12.53 | prpplague | but the big winners of the election are really the white house correspondents, the were really tired of going to the middle of texas to cover the bush vacations, now they get to go to hawaii |
| 17:13.10 | chouimat|work | heher |
| 17:13.16 | florian | *g* |
| 17:13.20 | CosmicPenguin | crawford or maui... hmmm |
| 17:13.30 | prpplague | thats why palin lost, what reporter wants to go to alaska? |
| 17:13.36 | CosmicPenguin | Clinton liked to vacation in Wyoming - thats not too shabby |
| 17:13.44 | Crofton|work | the big losers are the late night comedians, now they have work to do :) |
| 17:13.49 | CosmicPenguin | Bush Sr. was in maine.. thats no fun |
| 17:14.17 | Crofton|work | The Belgians didn't have a government, and no one seemed to think this was a bad thing |
| 17:14.18 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: the clintons spent alot of time in LA/Hollywood |
| 17:14.23 | Crofton|work | except the king |
| 17:14.24 | CosmicPenguin | Did Reagan ever leave the white house? |
| 17:15.05 | CosmicPenguin | What I'm trying to say is that its been a tough 30 years or so for the correspondents on vacation |
| 17:15.48 | Crofton|work | they deserve a break |
| 17:16.24 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: yea, he had a ranch in northern california, but basically did the same type of stuff bush did |
| 17:16.33 | Crofton|work | I am doing my patriotic duty by taking electronic waste (aka old zaurus bits and pieces) to .eu so they do not clutter American landfills |
| 17:16.49 | chouimat|work | tsk tsk |
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| 17:42.38 | mnemoc | prpplague: hi, found some time for me? :) |
| 17:42.58 | prpplague | mnemoc: soon going to lunch, i'll take care of it then |
| 17:43.09 | mnemoc | :) |
| 17:43.30 | mnemoc | schedules next reminder in 3h :p |
| 17:51.10 | florian | bbiab |
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| 19:22.56 | florian | re |
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| 19:34.46 | CosmicPenguin | we have environmental type geeks here |
| 19:35.24 | CosmicPenguin | does anybody know of a gadget that will measure current sun output and estimate how much energy a solar panel would generate under the same conditions? |
| 19:36.07 | MonMotha | anything that can measure luminous flux should be usable for that purpose |
| 19:36.13 | CosmicPenguin | In other words, I want to put something in my yard that I could use to estimate how much energy I would have gotten out of a solar panel for thatday |
| 19:36.19 | CosmicPenguin | and compare to my actual usage |
| 19:37.10 | adyer | CosmicPenguin: how about a smaller panel of the same type, a dummy load and a voltmeter/ammeter? |
| 19:38.04 | CosmicPenguin | hmmm - thats not a bad idea |
| 19:39.14 | gandhijee | hey quick question, what else does busybox need to mount NFS shares? |
| 19:39.41 | gandhijee | i thought the option for mount support would enable it but guess not.. |
| 19:39.47 | ds2 | CosmicPenguin: going solar? |
| 19:40.45 | CosmicPenguin | ds2: I think so - I'm kind of jonsing for data right now |
| 19:41.29 | ds2 | CosmicPenguin: does CO have subsidies? |
| 19:41.34 | CosmicPenguin | yes - massive |
| 19:41.38 | ds2 | ah |
| 19:42.04 | ds2 | what's the post subsidity payback time scale? 10years? |
| 19:42.06 | CosmicPenguin | CO is all about the green - the state is trying to market themselves as the "silicon valley" of green |
| 19:42.37 | ds2 | thought they would pride htemselves with keeping things white (as in snow) |
| 19:43.08 | CosmicPenguin | Yeah - i would say probably 10 years or so - maybe a bit shorter |
| 19:43.44 | CosmicPenguin | I'm unlikely to sell the house until the market recovers to a point that I can get what I want out of it |
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| 19:47.03 | ds2 | are there any hidden gotchas like if you are due to re-roof in 5 years, does that significantly add a cost to a reroof? |
| 19:47.35 | CosmicPenguin | no - I'm only 5 years in on the house |
| 19:49.28 | CosmicPenguin | Really, the only question is if I can raise the capital or not - I only owe 72% of what i paid for my house, but the Colorado market has seen a drop in housing prices of about 30% |
| 19:49.46 | ds2 | Yikes |
| 19:50.36 | CosmicPenguin | Long story short, if I get an appraisal, I might end up being very sad |
| 19:51.01 | ds2 | What about the other option, using solar water heating to augment domestic hot water and winter heating? |
| 19:51.43 | CosmicPenguin | Hmm - I haven't looked into that |
| 19:51.43 | ds2 | *nod* and couldn't that be an excuse for the mortgage folks to come and say you owe more then XX%, we insist you get additional insurance? |
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| 19:52.05 | ds2 | what concerns me with solar PV panels is their low efficiency |
| 19:52.31 | ds2 | I think solar was going to try a PV setup in an apt... wonder how that going |
| 19:52.39 | CosmicPenguin | ds2: not if I don't tell them - I'm up to date, and quite frankly, they don't want to know about the actual value of the house either, because accounting rules say they can only list the asset for what it is worth, not what is owed |
| 19:52.52 | CosmicPenguin | Which is a big part of why the credit market took a dump |
| 19:53.10 | ds2 | CosmicPenguin: you have a choice? I thought appraisals were a recorded thing |
| 19:53.37 | CosmicPenguin | ds2: not if I hire the guy |
| 19:54.05 | ds2 | I see |
| 19:55.03 | CosmicPenguin | apprasials are based on nearby home sales and conditions, which are recorded |
| 19:55.28 | CosmicPenguin | in theory, you could have five guys come out and do five different apprasials |
| 19:55.38 | ds2 | i know how it works, I just didn't know that it wasn't recorded like a they record whenever someone looks at your credit history |
| 19:55.53 | ds2 | s/like a/like/ |
| 19:56.14 | CosmicPenguin | nah - if you are willing to spend the 500 bucks, they will come out weekly |
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| 19:56.45 | ds2 | thesedays, that $500 better come with some antidepressants or a good bottle of alcohol ;) |
| 19:57.01 | CosmicPenguin | indeed |
| 19:57.10 | ds2 | is the plan for you to install it yourself? |
| 19:57.19 | CosmicPenguin | no - I would have to have it installed |
| 19:57.55 | CosmicPenguin | Just to be safe - I could probably figure it out, but I'm not skilled enough to be scrambling around on a steep roof 30 feet off the ground |
| 19:58.06 | ds2 | Oh 2 stories |
| 19:58.14 | ds2 | is this a complete off the grid setup? |
| 19:58.42 | CosmicPenguin | no - I'll push power back into the grid |
| 19:58.54 | CosmicPenguin | I'll get a credit that I can draw from during winter and cloudy days |
| 19:59.21 | ds2 | or you can get batteries to buffer through those times |
| 19:59.32 | CosmicPenguin | yeah |
| 20:01.55 | florian | ds2: using the grid is easier, cheaper and more efficient |
| 20:02.57 | ds2 | florian: depends on your expectations... the grid could be out when you most needed (i.e winter storms) |
| 20:03.50 | ds2 | the grid would be pushed the hardest when there is little solar but then everyone else will be drawing from it |
| 20:03.53 | florian | ds2: true, but its more useful to have an extra backup if necessary. |
| 20:05.14 | prpplague | hmm, whats the quickest way to convert a .wav to .pcm? |
| 20:05.58 | ds2 | prpplague: tried sox? |
| 20:07.31 | prpplague | ds2: nope |
| 20:07.40 | prpplague | does a man sox |
| 20:09.40 | ds2 | sox is the converter to go between most audio formats |
| 20:09.50 | ds2 | bbl |
| 20:23.55 | prpplague | hmm, i need an easy way to play an single audio file |
| 20:26.27 | florian | cat? ;) |
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| 20:33.39 | Madsy | prpplague: What kind of OS and arch? And which file format? |
| 20:34.16 | prpplague | Madsy: linux, arm9 , s3c24xx, .au |
| 20:34.37 | keesj | cat could work |
| 20:34.58 | Madsy | Hm, can't you just read the header and write it to /dev/dsp ? |
| 20:34.58 | prpplague | yea thats what i'm thinking, just cat filename.au > /dev/audio |
| 20:35.04 | Madsy | right. |
| 20:35.30 | keesj | more dsp . if you have alsa oss emulation on |
| 20:35.45 | keesj | i guess you have alsa drivers |
| 20:36.01 | prpplague | keesj: yea, it's alsa |
| 20:36.14 | prpplague | keesj: so i should be able to cat it to /dev/dsp ? |
| 20:36.25 | Madsy | Not if the .au file includes a header. |
| 20:36.37 | Madsy | Which it does: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Au_file_format |
| 20:37.44 | Madsy | If you can't set the samplerate for /dev/dsp, you might need to convert the audio stream on the fly. |
| 20:38.04 | Madsy | Linear interpolation works okay for most uses. |
| 20:38.31 | keesj | sox FTW |
| 20:39.03 | Madsy | I prefer SDL or FMOD, but perhaps SDL is too heavyweight for prpplague. |
| 20:39.07 | keesj | i dont remember why but i always end up writing a program to play sound |
| 20:39.48 | prpplague | hmm, i'll probably stick to using the /dev/audio probably |
| 20:39.51 | prpplague | thats easy |
| 20:40.27 | keesj | remembers catting the i am linus torwalds and i pronounce linux as linux |
| 20:40.31 | florian | prpplague: gpe-conf has a very simple player e.g. |
| 20:40.47 | prpplague | florian: yea this is something i'm rolling into a small app |
| 20:40.49 | keesj | to the dsp |
| 20:41.09 | keesj | aplay is the standard tool from alsa |
| 20:41.11 | prpplague | does a couple tests |
| 20:41.24 | Madsy | I think you can use ioctl to configurate /dev/audio and /dev/dsp |
| 20:41.24 | prpplague | keesj: yea i have that, but it is still a little big for what i need to do |
| 20:41.36 | Madsy | You might also want to set it to non-blocking |
| 20:41.38 | mnemoc | execs aplay |
| 20:42.06 | keesj | we used oss emulatoin + c init to play sound |
| 20:42.20 | keesj | in initramfs |
| 20:42.39 | florian | yeah, using the alsa api sucks more than oss |
| 20:43.09 | keesj | its hell. |
| 20:44.06 | keesj | but by now i get it...(did someasoc alsa system on chip work) |
| 20:44.10 | Madsy | prpplague: `man ioctl_list` |
| 20:44.24 | Madsy | Then search for <include/linux/soundcard.h> |
| 20:44.42 | mnemoc | I prefer to bind any non-business-related action, like playing sounds or sending email notifications to something I can execle() and get rid of the noise in the code |
| 20:44.48 | Madsy | Should give you the relevant ioctl defines |
| 20:45.06 | prpplague | Madsy: yea, that looks like what i need |
| 20:45.57 | prpplague | retests |
| 20:50.03 | Madsy | This was also a nice page: http://www.oreilly.de/catalog/multilinux/excerpt/ch14-05.htm |
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