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| 01:23.26 | mib_l4m5hy | hello |
| 01:23.46 | mib_l4m5hy | anyone working on Gumstix and GPS ? |
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| 01:52.20 | mib_l4m5hy | anyone working on Gumstix with GPS ? |
| 02:09.40 | mib_l4m5hy | anyone working on Gumstix with GPS ? |
| 02:18.55 | ds2 | I did a while ago |
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| 03:40.47 | archae0pteryx | mib_l4m5hy : I did too |
| 03:43.26 | archae0pteryx | wonders how other people deal with development of 1 code base for processors with different underlying types |
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| 07:56.22 | methril | yo |
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| 10:00.57 | MonMotha | !seen joe_bleau |
| 10:01.23 | MonMotha | ~seen joe_bleau |
| 10:01.24 | purl | joe_bleau is currently on #edev (5m 45s), last said: 'I put a 4MB simm on a PIC one time.'. |
| 10:01.32 | MonMotha | thanks...that's useful purl |
| 10:05.25 | Mirell | Hehe |
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| 12:47.29 | KazaLite | hi all |
| 12:48.29 | KazaLite | is there some irc channel dedicated for discussion related to ARM architecture? i'm reading reference manual of ARM9, so i thought it will be a good thing to find some channel where i can clear my concepts |
| 12:48.39 | KazaLite | by clearifying confusions |
| 12:49.13 | MonMotha | KazaLite: I'm not aware of any (maybe #arm?), but that sort of stuff does frequently come up in here |
| 12:49.42 | KazaLite | thats great if i can ask about arm over here:) |
| 12:50.23 | KazaLite | section 1.1 says arm has a 'large uniform register file'. Now what does this file mean? |
| 12:50.44 | KazaLite | it simply means that arm has huge number of registers. am i right? |
| 12:51.35 | MonMotha | yes |
| 12:51.51 | KazaLite | thnx |
| 12:51.58 | MonMotha | the collection of registers on a CPU is often referred to as the "register file" |
| 12:53.17 | Madsy | KazaLite: #arm |
| 12:53.20 | Madsy | And here. |
| 12:53.28 | Madsy | Err.. ##arm |
| 12:54.57 | MonMotha | oh, it's one of "those" channels |
| 12:55.19 | Madsy | ARM is a registered company, hence taking the #arm is a bad idea |
| 12:55.30 | MonMotha | you pay me, and I'll personally tutor you on the topic :) |
| 12:55.32 | Madsy | FreeNode rules/guidelines |
| 12:55.44 | MonMotha | yes, rules and guidelines... |
| 12:55.54 | MonMotha | you'll have to forgive me, I "grew up" on EFNet |
| 12:56.04 | Madsy | So did I. |
| 12:56.06 | Madsy | :) |
| 12:56.06 | MonMotha | services? what are those? |
| 12:56.27 | MonMotha | that's actually how this nickname came to be (lack of nickserv) |
| 12:58.21 | Madsy | MonMotha: So how did you get interested in the ARM architecture? |
| 12:58.41 | mnemoc | oftc is nice |
| 12:58.46 | MonMotha | Madsy: it pretty much comes with the territory (embedded systems) |
| 12:58.48 | KazaLite | thnx guys.... |
| 12:59.23 | MonMotha | I started out on 8051, did a little 9S12 in a class once, moved to AVR, then we needed something "bigger" at work, so ARM7TDMI it was |
| 12:59.40 | MonMotha | then of course, we wanted something to run Linux, so here comes the ARM926EJ-S |
| 13:00.08 | Madsy | I want an E-variant too :\ |
| 13:00.22 | Madsy | Still stuck with ARM920TDMI |
| 13:00.35 | MonMotha | ah |
| 13:00.50 | Madsy | ARMv4, Thumb1 |
| 13:01.08 | Madsy | Which I'm currently writing an emulator for. |
| 13:01.19 | Madsy | I got it running today. |
| 13:05.00 | MonMotha | I've pretty much been spending the time I would be working attempting to collect unemployment. They make it that hard. |
| 13:05.21 | MonMotha | god forbid you misinterpret something, because there's almost no way to correct it |
| 13:07.04 | chouimat | morning |
| 13:14.48 | Madsy | Gah.. need to buy more cigarettes before I fall to sleep |
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| 14:07.01 | Madsy | Is there a multiline comment macro/token for ARM as? |
| 14:09.05 | HcE | Does not /* */ style work? |
| 14:09.29 | MonMotha | I would expect it to in gas, but maybe not other assemblers |
| 14:10.24 | Madsy | Sille me. It just didn't show up in the editor. Thanks. |
| 14:10.28 | Madsy | -e+y |
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| 14:56.47 | kergoth | morning |
| 14:57.02 | MonMotha | morning kergoth |
| 15:05.20 | Madsy | yawn |
| 15:08.25 | wmat | MonMotha: CodeSourcery is a great company, here's their jobs page: http://www.codesourcery.com/company/jobs/ |
| 15:08.51 | MonMotha | wmat: issue is that I'm looking for hardware |
| 15:08.53 | MonMotha | though at this rate... |
| 15:10.00 | wmat | MonMotha: get in the door, then propose a hardware project after a few months. I always thought they would do well to sell an inexpensive JTAG unit custom built for their IDE + targets. |
| 15:10.31 | wmat | MonMotha: one of the most asked questions when I worked there was "how do I use <whatever> JTAG with Sourcery G++" |
| 15:10.40 | MonMotha | I see |
| 15:10.54 | wmat | nobody there really had hardware skills though |
| 15:11.00 | wmat | they are all software guys |
| 15:11.34 | Madsy | Yeah, like me. I'm looking at cycle timing schematics in my SoC specification, and feel *completely* lost. |
| 15:12.25 | Madsy | I understand basic stuff like DMA, memory banking and interrupts. But some things get too abstract. |
| 15:12.47 | MonMotha | heh, I'm famous for writing entire network stacks so that I don't have to copy anything, and everything is DMA'able |
| 15:12.48 | wmat | MonMotha: a very smart bunch of guys though, and the company is full telecommute |
| 15:12.51 | Madsy | To make matters worse, I don't know exactly what functionality my handheld uses from the SoC |
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| 15:31.01 | wmat | MonMotha: want to relocate to Waterloo, Canada? There's hardware jobs here. |
| 15:31.30 | joe_bleau | I tried the CS IDE last weekend, but I guess it's Eclipse and just too pokey for my machine. |
| 15:32.06 | wmat | joe_bleau: try the lite version |
| 15:32.13 | wmat | it has no ide |
| 15:32.52 | joe_bleau | Yeah, that's what I ended up with. The one on the Luminary disk was a 30 day trial. |
| 15:33.09 | joe_bleau | I don't care for an IDE, but I would like something better than text mode gdb. |
| 15:33.28 | joe_bleau | I've tried insight, but it just seems so crude and slow. I can watch the dialogs redraw. |
| 15:33.55 | wmat | I liked using SG++ with the Luminary boards, it worked well |
| 15:34.00 | joe_bleau | Does anyone still use emacs as a front end for gdb? |
| 15:34.33 | joe_bleau | I'm not seeing anything on google with SG++ |
| 15:34.57 | wmat | Sourcery G++ is CodeSourcery's IDE |
| 15:35.07 | joe_bleau | I've never tried ddd. I'm on win32, so that may not be an option. |
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| 15:35.57 | damunix | hi |
| 15:36.11 | joe_bleau | Thing is, I'm happy with my editor and makefiles. I'm not happy with text mode gdb as a debugger. Spoiled by singlestep. |
| 15:36.29 | MonMotha | wmat: I'm still trying to find something that doesn't require moving, and then I'd like to avoid hopping countries |
| 15:36.35 | MonMotha | joe_bleau: may I PM? |
| 15:36.42 | joe_bleau | Sure, why not? |
| 15:36.49 | joe_bleau | Or email, if you like. |
| 15:41.02 | brolin | hello, someone had worked with toradex boards? |
| 15:41.32 | brolin | what sw can replace the colibri loader? |
| 15:41.52 | brolin | that works on linux |
| 15:46.41 | wmat | brolin: u-boot |
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| 15:48.12 | brolin | wmat: do you had worked with these boards? |
| 15:48.29 | wmat | brolin: no, i just googled |
| 15:48.54 | wmat | https://controls.web.psi.ch/cgi-bin/twiki/view/Main/ColibriPXA270NoserBSP40 |
| 15:49.06 | wmat | see the BootLoader section |
| 15:49.19 | brolin | thanks wmat |
| 15:51.27 | brolin | i saw that link, but in the simple terminal that i get, don't have the tftpboot command |
| 15:52.15 | brolin | the basic command prompt from colibri |
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| 17:28.08 | shanicoolest | hello |
| 17:28.25 | shanicoolest | need help plz |
| 17:28.45 | shanicoolest | gustavoz: need help plz |
| 17:28.55 | kergoth | if you have a question, ask it. |
| 17:29.22 | shanicoolest | i have busybox dsl router |
| 17:29.55 | shanicoolest | i use to telnet to the router but when i do it twice it hangs |
| 17:30.08 | shanicoolest | its says connecting........... |
| 17:30.19 | shanicoolest | then i have to restart it |
| 17:31.12 | shanicoolest | what i doo |
| 17:31.34 | shanicoolest | delete logs? |
| 17:31.45 | shanicoolest | memory full? |
| 17:32.13 | flameman | if it's openwrt, you can ask in #openwrt channel |
| 17:34.00 | shanicoolest | it's Linux version 2.4.17_mvl21-malta-mips |
| 17:34.21 | shanicoolest | BusyBox v0.61.pre |
| 17:35.14 | shanicoolest | i used to reconnect with this command kill `cat /var/run/ppp0.pid` |
| 17:35.44 | shanicoolest | but now it does not change it but hangs intead |
| 17:36.12 | shanicoolest | i have pppoe with dynamic ip |
| 17:37.30 | shanicoolest | any help???? |
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| 17:51.46 | agaffney | shanicoolest: why exactly would you think we could help you with some random custom firmware? |
| 17:53.01 | shanicoolest | here are experts i thick |
| 17:53.04 | shanicoolest | think |
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| 17:57.01 | mnemoc | shanicoolest: first find out what distribution you have running there, then ask those giving support for that distribution |
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| 18:27.45 | sjhill | Hey CosmicPenguin |
| 18:27.59 | CosmicPenguin | sjhill: hey |
| 18:28.02 | CosmicPenguin | hows life? |
| 18:28.09 | sjhill | pretty good |
| 18:28.11 | sjhill | you? |
| 18:28.19 | CosmicPenguin | I shouldn't complain |
| 18:28.30 | sjhill | yeah, i'm happy to still have a job |
| 18:29.06 | MonMotha | woah, wait, some people in here are still employed? |
| 18:29.11 | MonMotha | ;-) |
| 18:29.22 | MonMotha | seems all I've heard about in here of late is people getting laid off |
| 18:29.25 | mnemoc | not fun :| |
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| 18:52.10 | ds2 | waves a fist at Google.... searching for oprofiled should _NOT_ match oprofile GRRRRRRR |
| 18:55.00 | chouimat|work | :) |
| 19:09.04 | Mirell | Hmm... |
| 19:16.00 | sjhill | MonMotha: yeah i got laid....wait you were talking work? |
| 19:18.36 | Mirell | Heh |
| 19:25.34 | MonMotha | ds2: that's another annoyance of google. It assumes you want any "tense" of a word, and it thinks you asked for the "past tense" of "oprofile" so it will match either |
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| 19:27.35 | chouimat|work | hi sjhill |
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| 19:40.45 | ds2 | what really irked me is even searching for it quoted did that |
| 19:41.04 | MonMotha | I seem to recall there's a way to disable that |
| 19:41.46 | MonMotha | try +"oprofiled" |
| 19:41.51 | MonMotha | or just +oprofiled |
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| 19:46.30 | ds2 | sigh... thought that was the point of quoting |
| 19:46.46 | MonMotha | quoting just tells it to not mess with the phrase |
| 19:46.57 | MonMotha | though their page indicates that sometimes it also tells it not to use synonyms |
| 19:47.06 | MonMotha | perhaps different tense is not considered a "synonym" |
| 19:47.12 | ds2 | I am rapidly loosing tolerance for google. Too many things require 10-20 -XYZ things to filter out the pollution |
| 19:47.43 | ds2 | Most searches always always require -patent -patents -ebay -globalspec -nextag as a min. |
| 19:48.01 | MonMotha | I have no love for google, but I have yet to find anything better |
| 19:48.15 | ds2 | Then there are the useless sites that try to charge for papers... that's another longlist of -springerlink -linkinghub -aip -jlink -jrank -fr |
| 19:48.28 | ds2 | it is just rediculous the amount of pollution there |
| 19:48.54 | MonMotha | you get big enough, and people will game the system |
| 19:48.55 | MonMotha | look at email |
| 19:49.42 | ds2 | google as owned by a single entity; they have an obligation to keep their shit clean |
| 19:49.51 | ds2 | email is distributed and that is a hard thing to clean up |
| 19:50.04 | ds2 | as/is |
| 19:50.19 | MonMotha | google also indexes what can only be described as a "metric fuck ton" of data |
| 19:50.45 | MonMotha | and each niche seems to have their own scum trying to play around with it |
| 19:50.50 | ds2 | I have a hard time believing that even there internal users aren't finding the polution annoying |
| 19:50.53 | MonMotha | and each of those uses their own techniques |
| 19:51.01 | MonMotha | I'm sure they are |
| 19:51.06 | MonMotha | it's just a question of what to do about it |
| 19:51.14 | ds2 | filter out those sites |
| 19:51.34 | ds2 | I do _NOT_ need hits on link redirectors and globalspec is one such entity |
| 19:51.37 | MonMotha | you can't just blacklist the problem sites. It's somewhat against their policies, and they'll just crop up under a new name, anyway. |
| 19:51.47 | ds2 | sure you can |
| 19:51.53 | ds2 | they have the funds, chase them |
| 19:51.58 | MonMotha | no, you can't. You can't blacklist them fast enough. |
| 19:52.02 | MonMotha | it's an arms race |
| 19:52.06 | ds2 | block any site that charges |
| 19:52.10 | ds2 | they have the money |
| 19:52.14 | MonMotha | how do you know that they charge? |
| 19:52.24 | MonMotha | you find it out pretty quick, but it's easy to hide that from googlebot |
| 19:52.44 | ds2 | use user reports |
| 19:52.52 | MonMotha | and making a "stealth googlebot" would not likely end well with the internet community |
| 19:53.10 | ds2 | there are plenty of people doing exactly that |
| 19:53.16 | MonMotha | ok, then unscrupulous companies will start "reporting" their competitors |
| 19:53.21 | ds2 | of course, I block those and google ;) |
| 19:53.43 | ds2 | that's fine. smaller, cleaner databases are better then this mess |
| 19:53.43 | MonMotha | it's unfortunately not a simple problem to solve |
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| 20:38.32 | wmat | hey, prpplague emailed me back. He's just been busy. He'll be back online soon. |
| 20:43.43 | ds2 | so the axe did not fall |
| 20:47.14 | Mirell | Woo. |
| 20:47.54 | mnemoc | wmat: thanks for the feedback! |
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| 21:30.32 | CosmicPenguin | hmmm - patchwork.kernel.org seems marginally useful |
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