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| 03:22.52 | taotao | hi,who have experience of using ARM processor? |
| 03:26.57 | MonMotha | taotao: probably half this channel. Might want to ask a more specific question. |
| 03:27.22 | MonMotha | Beware that this channel is somewhat dead right now. It's far more active during the weekday (EU/USA time) |
| 03:27.32 | MonMotha | mostly USA time |
| 03:39.06 | Madsy | taotao: Ask away |
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| 06:33.13 | ZeZu | well since he didn't ask ... |
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| 06:33.54 | ZeZu | whats the easiest way to branch into thumb code in a data section in gcc ? |
| 06:42.42 | ZeZu | It is in a C project, i've enabled thumb interwork, and i've tried using inline assembler with .thumb directive and a bl, but it doesn't seem to like branch in inline asm .. tells me registers are undefined |
| 06:43.20 | ZeZu | I'm guessing i should create a .S and use the thumb directive and call the routine from C, but is there anything else i need to do ? |
| 06:44.34 | ZeZu | i also tried a pointer to a function, which seems to work as its GPF's (not in thumb mode), oddly if i insert asm volatile(".THUMB") fp_call(); asm volatile(".ARM") it builds but seems to do nothing at all |
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| 06:52.38 | Madsy | ZeZu: If I've understood ARM gcc correctly, you can't use inline Thumb. |
| 06:52.54 | Madsy | You have to compile pure Thumb assembly with as yourself. |
| 06:55.45 | Madsy | ZeZu: Also, did you try to BL to Thumb code? |
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| 07:14.17 | solar | anyway know whatever happend to RobotGuy ? |
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| 07:45.25 | methril | yo |
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| 08:36.14 | Mirell | solar: I was curious to that as well |
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| 09:14.38 | florian | good morning |
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| 12:46.23 | wmat | solar: I seem to recall he got upset about something and left the channel a while ago |
| 12:46.34 | wmat | solar: prpplague would know for sure |
| 12:54.00 | mnemoc | misses prpplague |
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| 17:03.34 | ZeZu | Madsy: thanks for the reply last night, didn't make it up much longer, i guess it makes sense about thumb in inline code though |
| 17:04.22 | Madsy | If you find a definite answer, let me know :) |
| 17:05.20 | Madsy | Goddamn ARM addressing modes.. |
| 17:05.44 | ZeZu | yea i'm going to work on it here in a bit ;) |
| 17:06.52 | ZeZu | I'm going to dynamically generate thumb2 code, whether i have to set it all up manually or not, just was hoping the compiler / assembler would get it into thumb code and i could just branch to my code without a lot of headache |
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| 19:25.12 | T0mW | wonders where prpplague has disappeared to? |
| 19:35.57 | MonMotha | T0mW: likely job hunting |
| 19:36.05 | T0mW | ouch |
| 19:36.16 | MonMotha | speaking of, know anybody who's hiring? |
| 19:36.24 | T0mW | MonMotha: does that mean he needs another job, or just wants another one? |
| 19:36.42 | T0mW | MonMotha: no, seems everyone is looking |
| 19:36.45 | MonMotha | T0mW: I believe needs |
| 19:36.51 | MonMotha | I am in the same boat |
| 19:37.32 | T0mW | MonMotha: I'm working on a proposal that should keep me in shredded wheat and beans for the next 4..7 months, hopefully this will come through. |
| 19:38.35 | T0mW | MonMotha: paying taxes might be optional. |
| 19:41.19 | MonMotha | T0mW: well, as of present, I have made negative income this year |
| 19:41.37 | MonMotha | I have charitable donations (mileage for an event), but no income at all |
| 19:41.53 | MonMotha | I think I finally got the unemployment situation straightened out, so hopefully they'll pay me |
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| 19:43.56 | T0mW | MonMotha: where I've been hurt is that I dumped a ton of money into renovating this house to make it habitable and have run myself almost dry doing it. Generally, I like to keep about 6 months living expenses socked away. |
| 19:46.43 | MonMotha | T0mW: fortunately, I had cash when I got laid off |
| 19:46.55 | MonMotha | of course, it's going on 2 months jobless, now |
| 19:48.55 | T0mW | MonMotha: for me, there is always that herd of deer that wander through my yard... |
| 19:49.16 | T0mW | MonMotha: not to mention squirrels |
| 20:02.50 | MonMotha | T0mW: I don't get those. No trees; too urban. |
| 20:03.10 | MonMotha | though, to be honest, I'm beginning to think I should move out into the middle of nowhere where land is cheap and just start building |
| 20:03.25 | MonMotha | materials aren't that expensive, so if you do the labor yourself, you can get quite a lot of "bang for your buck" |
| 20:04.38 | T0mW | MonMotha: yes, you can. And very little in the way of building codes to worry about. Pick a place like Idaho or Nevada and go for it. |
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| 20:05.30 | T0mW | MonMotha: of course, getting that satelite uplink into the cloud may be a bit challenging |
| 20:11.07 | MonMotha | T0mW: that is the problem |
| 20:11.48 | MonMotha | I was thinking sticking to Indiana |
| 20:12.05 | MonMotha | rural Indiana is actually fairly beautiful, especially in the south, and same thing basically |
| 20:12.16 | MonMotha | sometimes you can get close enough to a city that DSL is available |
| 20:12.24 | MonMotha | but I would have to give up my FiOS :( |
| 20:17.21 | KazaLite | hi all |
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| 20:21.01 | T0mW | MonMotha: cable modem works well for me (15Mb/s), cannot complain. I've been considering ditching the CATV subscription and only keeping the cable modem. Then, download the latest Heros and CSI episodes via torrent. |
| 20:21.22 | MonMotha | cable modems in this area are a joke |
| 20:21.29 | MonMotha | this is Comcast land, after all |
| 20:21.35 | T0mW | MonMotha: there is nothing on TV worth watching anyhow. |
| 20:21.38 | MonMotha | advertise 16Mbps, delivery about 1.6, if you're lucky |
| 20:21.44 | T0mW | heh |
| 20:21.58 | MonMotha | they seem to have upgraded my FiOS without telling me |
| 20:22.06 | MonMotha | I was pulling 30Mbps a few days ago |
| 20:23.13 | T0mW | MonMotha: it is a bit surprising though, here in the backwoods of Pennsyltucky we've fast access into the cloud. I know many people in New Jersey that are jealous of what I've had here for the past 6 years. |
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| 20:24.57 | T0mW | knows that he has a box filled with food somewhere |
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| 20:32.45 | KazaLite | my overall professional experiance is around for years. i worked in device driver development for 2.5 years and for past 19 months i have worked in different things like some protocol development on the top of tcpip and signature creation etc. |
| 20:33.08 | KazaLite | but i want to get back to driver development work..... |
| 20:33.59 | KazaLite | but im not sure how eacy would be to get job for driver development now, as for past 19months i have not worked in driver development..... |
| 20:34.37 | KazaLite | so any thoughts how tough would be to get some job which does not match your current jobs responsibilities |
| 20:34.46 | KazaLite | any thoughts or experiences? |
| 20:35.57 | MonMotha | KazaLite: at this point, I think you'll be lucky to find ANY job |
| 20:36.32 | agaffney | indeed |
| 20:36.37 | agaffney | you can't really be picky right now |
| 20:36.39 | MonMotha | most employers seem to be looking for crazy amounts of experience (under the somewhat mistaken assumption that experience automatically implies something about how good they'll be), and they're willing to pay peanuts |
| 20:36.52 | MonMotha | likely from the Peanut Corp. of America |
| 20:37.44 | KazaLite | ummm....so if i continue with my current job, it will make even more difficult for me to get back to driver development jobs.... |
| 20:37.47 | MonMotha | I'm having trouble finding postings demanding less than 5 years experience in a specific technology |
| 20:38.02 | MonMotha | no, I'm just saying that in THIS climate, you'll be lucky to find ANY job |
| 20:38.13 | MonMotha | in a more typical job market, hopping skills within an industry is quite a bit easier |
| 20:38.34 | MonMotha | at this point, employers are only looking to hire people who are exactly what they need for a project (possibly just to fire them when that project ends) |
| 20:38.42 | MonMotha | but now is not a typical job market |
| 20:39.10 | KazaLite | ummm......its frustrating for me....i feel like wasting time in my current job |
| 20:39.34 | KazaLite | how long this recession period is expected to last? |
| 20:40.08 | KazaLite | is it expected that things would get better in second half of 2009? |
| 20:41.07 | KazaLite | http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/bernankes-recession-here-11-reasons/story.aspx?guid=%7B39D13A23-5028-4976-9883-BB1975099038%7D |
| 20:42.06 | MonMotha | 2H 2009 is a somewhat anticipated "early movers" recovery (i.e. stocks may start to recover) |
| 20:42.24 | MonMotha | 2010 seems to be anticipated "full recovery" (i.e. unemployment drops to normal levels) |
| 20:42.40 | MonMotha | of course, predicting how long a recession will last is difficult and full of all kind of uncertainty |
| 20:43.06 | MonMotha | some are now not anticipating unemployment to drop to normal levels until 2011, which would be very, very bad |
| 20:43.12 | KazaLite | very true |
| 20:43.49 | MonMotha | when you have people unemployed for months on end, even the most economically conservative end up having to do things like dump assets |
| 20:47.10 | KazaLite | i dont know whats gonna happen to this world |
| 20:47.28 | KazaLite | every person in every part of this world is worried |
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| 20:49.15 | florian | re |
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| 23:57.38 | ZeZu | ffs, i've had terrible luck with mixing C and asm on arm, it work working earlier and now i get illegal instruction |