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| 00:34.12 | landley | ibot: seen ibot? |
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| 00:46.13 | joe_bleau | Has anyone else had trouble with the channel's log webpage, or is it just me? |
| 00:47.04 | MonMotha | 18th appears to be missing |
| 00:47.53 | MonMotha | the log data also appears bogus |
| 00:48.23 | joe_bleau | Since last week, I can't follow the links. MIME type wrong, perhaps? |
| 00:48.55 | joe_bleau | Opera is wanting to save the linked file, instead of opening it. Not sure if the .gz extension is messing Opera up, or what. |
| 00:49.03 | MonMotha | oh, FF is doing that, too |
| 00:49.17 | MonMotha | perhaps mod_gzip is messed up and/or content-encoding is not being sent |
| 00:49.28 | joe_bleau | Yeah, that's what I'm trying to say. Thanks. |
| 00:49.39 | MonMotha | of more concern, if I look at the data (after ungzipping), it appears to be nothing but join/parts from a whole bunch of channels |
| 00:49.43 | MonMotha | no actual chat logs |
| 00:49.51 | joe_bleau | rikers.org...is that Tim Riker? |
| 00:50.10 | joe_bleau | 02-22 is a log. Maybe you picked a weekend log--they're usually dead anyway. |
| 00:50.54 | CosmicPenguin | 2009-02-22 seems to be fine to me |
| 00:51.15 | MonMotha | I grabbed the 19th |
| 00:51.26 | MonMotha | supposedly a thursday by the calendar |
| 00:51.30 | joe_bleau | CP: did your browser open it directly, or did you have to gzip -d and load the .html? |
| 00:51.33 | CosmicPenguin | There was a hickup on the 18th and mod_gzip does seem to be broken, but other then that |
| 00:51.50 | MonMotha | joe_bleau: oh, any more news, by chance? |
| 00:52.15 | joe_bleau | 02-19 looks good to me. |
| 00:52.22 | MonMotha | oh, I wasn't actually in the #edev dir |
| 00:52.30 | joe_bleau | MonMotha: Nope, putting out other fires lately. |
| 00:52.37 | CosmicPenguin | MonMotha: heh - that will do ya.. :) |
| 00:53.02 | MonMotha | joe_bleau: I see |
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| 00:57.23 | joe_bleau | email sent. |
| 00:57.32 | joe_bleau | Glad to know it's not on this end. |
| 00:58.18 | Mirell | Hmm.. |
| 01:00.52 | joe_bleau | Great, my email isn't allowed to go through. |
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| 01:34.28 | roxfan | http://www.nowpublic.com/tech-biz/spansion-layoff-3-000 |
| 01:42.55 | MonMotha | awesome |
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| 02:05.04 | joe_bleau | Mr. Riker fixed it. |
| 02:05.26 | MonMotha | excellent |
| 02:05.50 | MonMotha | can he fix the job market, while he's at it? |
| 02:07.42 | Mirell | Number One, fix the job market. |
| 02:07.58 | MonMotha | Engage. |
| 02:19.02 | joe_bleau | Forgot to ask him, sorry. |
| 02:19.55 | Mirell | That's all right, open hailing frequencies. |
| 02:22.54 | joe_bleau | I'll mention it in the reply. Anything else while I'm relaying messages here? |
| 02:23.36 | Mirell | Heh. |
| 02:24.04 | Mirell | Tim Riker by any chance? |
| 02:24.32 | joe_bleau | Yeah, isn't that who we're discussing? |
| 02:24.40 | Mirell | I literally did not know. |
| 02:24.48 | Mirell | 18:55 -!- Irssi: Join to #edev was synced in 1 secs joe_bleau |
| 02:24.52 | Mirell | 18:57 < joe_bleau> email sent. |
| 02:25.05 | Mirell | Was all I was going on besides the "Riker", and making bad ST:TNG jokes. |
| 02:25.34 | joe_bleau | Oh, I was fussing about the log web page being partially borked. Sorry, I was confused for a minute there. |
| 02:25.42 | Mirell | Hehe |
| 02:25.43 | joe_bleau | Now the TNG stuff makes a bit more sense to me. ;-) |
| 02:33.55 | MonMotha | I'm sure he's heard the whole ST:TNG thing before |
| 02:34.10 | Mirell | And is probably quite, quite tired of it, heh. |
| 02:34.15 | MonMotha | likely |
| 02:34.31 | MonMotha | at least he's not William Tim Riker |
| 02:34.36 | Mirell | Hee! |
| 02:34.39 | MonMotha | then he'd be William T. Riker (but at least not Thomas) |
| 02:35.08 | Mirell | He's Riker's alter self from the transporter accident on...okay, I don't know what planet, otherwise I'd be really sad.. |
| 02:35.38 | MonMotha | I don't remember the name of the planet either, but I do remember the episode. Apparently I'm not geeky enough, though. |
| 02:35.52 | MonMotha | I'm waiting until I can get the entire series in HD on a single disc. |
| 02:36.04 | MonMotha | I suspect you could cram it all on a Blu-Ray at 480i, but I want 1080p :) |
| 02:36.17 | Mirell | I doubt they even have film stocks at 1080p for that |
| 02:36.32 | MonMotha | well, it was shot on film, so they could potentially re-transfer it |
| 02:36.41 | MonMotha | they'd likely have to re-create the special effects, thouhg |
| 02:36.44 | Mirell | True. |
| 02:36.53 | MonMotha | anything done in post was likely only done at NTSC resolution |
| 02:37.03 | Mirell | Yah, that's the killer. One of the reason B5 will never be on high-def unless they redo a bunch of stuff. |
| 02:37.13 | MonMotha | and of course that assumes the film is still in usable shape, too |
| 02:37.19 | MonMotha | I don't know how well it's been stored |
| 02:37.23 | Mirell | Rendered shots only exist on S-VHS since they lost the models on the computer.. |
| 02:37.27 | Mirell | Yeah. |
| 02:37.29 | Mirell | Alas. |
| 02:37.34 | MonMotha | hey, at least it's S-VHS |
| 02:37.39 | MonMotha | could be VHS EP |
| 02:37.57 | MonMotha | 20 whole pixels of chroma resolution |
| 02:37.59 | Mirell | Hehe |
| 02:38.26 | joe_bleau | B5 was great, at least seasons 2-4. |
| 02:39.23 | landley | Mirell: Nirvala IV. |
| 02:40.07 | MonMotha | ah yes, that sounds right |
| 02:40.16 | landley | googled it. |
| 02:40.19 | landley | _is_ a geek. |
| 02:40.20 | MonMotha | good |
| 02:40.25 | Mirell | Good, good... |
| 02:40.34 | MonMotha | you didn't know it off the top of your head, but you googled it |
| 02:40.40 | MonMotha | that makes you a geek, but not a dork |
| 02:40.42 | MonMotha | that's OK |
| 02:40.46 | Mirell | Now, HHGTTG quotes, |
| 02:40.54 | Mirell | I believe landley has memorized the book basically.. |
| 02:45.53 | landley | This is the story of the hitchhiker's guide to the galaxy. |
| 02:46.17 | landley | The most remarkable, certainly the most successfuly book, ever to come out of the great publishing corporations of Ursa Minor. |
| 02:46.24 | landley | More popular than the Celestial Home Care Omnibus. |
| 02:46.32 | landley | Better selling than 53 more things to do in zero gravity, |
| 02:46.44 | landley | and more controversial than oolon Colluphid's trilogy of philosophical blockbusters: |
| 02:47.00 | landley | Where God went Wrong, some more of God's Greatest Mistakes, and Who is this God Person Anyway? |
| 02:47.07 | landley | (I could go on, but I'll stop now.) |
| 02:47.37 | landley | Actually I just have the BBC miniseries of the hitchhiker's guide memorized, not the book. |
| 02:47.46 | landley | And to be honest, I haven't seen the BBC miniseries in years. (Not since I had a VHS machine.) |
| 02:48.55 | mgsnr | landley: i found on winamp, under shoutcast i think, the streaming audio for 4 or 5 parts. i think it's all the way through "mostly harmless" |
| 02:49.16 | landley | The BBC television miniseries. That's probably the radio series. |
| 02:49.26 | landley | Yay radio series, though. |
| 02:49.30 | landley | (So no quaternary phase?) |
| 02:49.31 | mgsnr | i think so. there's no video for it that i can find. |
| 02:49.38 | mgsnr | hrm? |
| 02:51.15 | landley | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dcncPpQ8loA |
| 02:52.29 | mgsnr | why is there no audio??? |
| 02:52.41 | mgsnr | oy |
| 02:52.43 | mgsnr | headphones :/ |
| 02:52.53 | mgsnr | hrm no |
| 02:53.44 | landley | had audio. |
| 02:54.25 | mgsnr | crap; my headphones aren't working now |
| 02:54.39 | mgsnr | what is this?? |
| 02:54.49 | mgsnr | this is the second windows machine today i've had to deal w/ that had no audio. |
| 02:55.49 | landley | I think your problem became apparent at the word "windows"... |
| 02:55.57 | mgsnr | heh; it was working the other day. |
| 02:56.06 | mgsnr | i wonder if the headphone jack on the stupid thing died. |
| 02:56.53 | mgsnr | oh well |
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| 03:04.21 | Mirell | landley: Actually, no, Windows's sound server has worked much, much better than Pulse Audio in my experience |
| 03:05.49 | landley | Mirell: tin cans and string work better than pulse audio. |
| 03:05.56 | landley | ALSA does its own mixing. Uninstall pulse audio. |
| 03:06.10 | landley | it's like libtool: a NOP that doesn't successfully manage to do nothing. |
| 03:13.46 | Mirell | Heh. |
| 03:18.19 | solar | Mirell: help |
| 03:19.19 | Mirell | solar: Hmm? |
| 03:19.43 | solar | SQL stuff. 3->uClibc |
| 03:19.52 | Mirell | Aha |
| 03:20.08 | solar | I really just felt like saying hi |
| 03:20.12 | solar | but help came out |
| 03:20.18 | Mirell | Hiiieeelp! |
| 03:20.41 | Mirell | PM me the database info if you want me to take a whack at it |
| 03:22.14 | solar | Mirell: I'll put it in a text file in your ~/ on the box |
| 03:22.20 | Mirell | Okie Dokie |
| 03:22.24 | solar | irc is not safe enough :p |
| 03:22.29 | Mirell | Hehe |
| 03:22.38 | Mirell | Fair 'nuff |
| 03:24.17 | solar | Mirell: it's there along with the current select |
| 03:24.25 | solar | ~/db-info (mode 600) |
| 03:27.14 | Mirell | Okie Dokie |
| 03:27.24 | MonMotha | I wish more sound cards did hardware mixing |
| 03:27.31 | MonMotha | that's the one thing I miss from my SB Live |
| 03:32.48 | solar | speaking of sound. On the embedded devices running >=linux-2.6.0 you guys have worked on. What do you tend to favor on it? (oss|alsa|esd|other) ? |
| 03:33.26 | MonMotha | "whatever works" |
| 03:33.51 | MonMotha | then again, that pretty much describes embedded system development |
| 03:45.42 | Mirell | solar: http://rafb.net/p/cwuuF461.html |
| 03:50.52 | Mirell | It produces equivalent to the old query, except now with product name, and it's not crazy ancient ANSI SQL. |
| 03:54.04 | solar | Mirell: thanks. testing that in a few mins. |
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| 04:31.42 | landley | solar 3->uClibc? |
| 04:32.15 | landley | is currently testing uClibc svn. |
| 04:32.27 | landley | I may cut a 0.9.30.fred. |
| 04:32.45 | landley | Not sure if it'll be .1 or .31 yet, but I feel like quoting governor tarkin. |
| 04:32.57 | landley | "I grow tired of asking this, so it'll be the last time. When does the next uClibc release come out?" |
| 04:33.05 | landley | Only in a british evil accent. |
| 04:33.13 | landley | Tea, crumpets, and evil. |
| 04:33.15 | landley | With evil jam. |
| 04:33.20 | landley | For the crumpets. |
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| 05:14.32 | solar | landley: yeah 3 = uClibc |
| 05:14.37 | solar | I think |
| 05:14.40 | solar | !bug 121 |
| 05:14.50 | landley | 3 of what = uClibc? |
| 05:14.52 | solar | erp. not here |
| 05:14.58 | solar | in #uclibc |
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| 07:23.31 | methril | morning |
| 07:30.41 | landley | Morning. |
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| 07:38.20 | Madsy | *yawn* |
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| 08:12.49 | Mirell | Indeed. |
| 08:13.03 | Mirell | is hanging out at the office just to get some darn crap over with |
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| 09:33.49 | Mirell | Ha...hahaha...hahahahhaha |
| 09:33.56 | Mirell | stabs make in the retarded spot |
| 09:40.12 | florian | good morning |
| 09:41.23 | Mirell | 'allo |
| 09:58.23 | Mirell | Oh God Make is retarded.. |
| 10:04.00 | mnemoc | usually happens to apps trying to be too smart :( |
| 10:05.58 | Mirell | Alas. |
| 10:29.46 | Madsy | Mirell: *cough* SCons *cough cough* |
| 10:32.29 | Mirell | ? |
| 10:36.16 | mnemoc | a `make` alternative |
| 10:36.24 | Mirell | Ahh... |
| 10:36.39 | mnemoc | written in python iirc |
| 10:36.54 | Mirell | Well, if I had any sane amount of power, I'd never use Make. But I are not in control of this particular project, alas. |
| 10:37.27 | Mirell | However, at least now I can rant about how much it sucks with solid arguments a bit better... |
| 10:39.21 | mnemoc | Mirell: write an article we can reference when ranting :) |
| 10:39.34 | mnemoc | misses an autotools considered harmful |
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| 10:56.55 | Mirell | Hehe |
| 10:57.06 | Mirell | Exxxcellent. |
| 10:57.12 | Mirell | I'm building a fort out of my cube. |
| 10:57.30 | Mirell | Considering I only show up here from like 2-10AM just to avoid distractions at home, it's a bit silly, but eh. |
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| 10:59.49 | Madsy | Mirell: Office hours from 2 am to 10 am? Does your wife snore or something? :-) |
| 11:00.34 | Mirell | Heh, I are quite single, but no, I'm just a night-owl unless otherwise forced. |
| 11:01.02 | Mirell | And by distractions, I mean PS3/XBox 360/DVDs/sleep. |
| 11:01.36 | Madsy | Ah, right. |
| 11:02.09 | Madsy | Yeah, funny that. I'm also most effective during night hours. |
| 11:02.26 | Madsy | When it comes to code crunching at least. |
| 11:02.29 | Mirell | It's actually proven quite effective so far, forcing myself to come here and not let myself leave until I've finished the task. |
| 11:02.39 | Mirell | Yah |
| 11:02.48 | Madsy | As long as you don't burn yourself out, sure. |
| 11:03.01 | Mirell | Well, yah. |
| 11:03.29 | Mirell | But it's nice getting six hours straight worth of work and being done for what you're tasked for a week's project, and sort of lounge for the rest of the week, |
| 11:03.39 | Mirell | Than space it out. ^^ |
| 11:04.38 | Mirell | Considering I've determined the average worker only does 2 hours of real work a day it seems... |
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| 11:28.57 | flameman | damn i have to find out a way to bootstrap this ibm-walnut |
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| 14:17.42 | Mirell | Do I get more breakfast burritos, or fall asleep.. |
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| 14:56.35 | KazaLite | what is the difference between system and supervisor mode in ARM? |
| 14:56.44 | KazaLite | :( |
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| 15:11.27 | KazaLite | which activities usually rtos performs in system mode and which activities in supervisor mode? |
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| 15:43.47 | mnemoc | wb prpplague! |
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| 15:43.55 | florian | hi prpplague |
| 15:44.00 | sjhill | tackle hugs prpplague again |
| 15:44.06 | mnemoc | :) |
| 15:44.06 | prpplague | greetings all |
| 15:44.10 | prpplague | hehe |
| 15:44.44 | agaffney | takes a step back from the man-pile |
| 15:46.07 | prpplague | sjhill: hey bud |
| 15:46.08 | methril | ey!! greeetings prpplague |
| 15:46.12 | prpplague | sjhill: whats cookin? |
| 15:46.22 | prpplague | returns after job hunting |
| 15:46.30 | methril | how was the hunting? |
| 15:46.32 | methril | :D |
| 15:46.33 | prpplague | :( |
| 15:46.35 | prpplague | terrible |
| 15:46.38 | mgsnr | bummer |
| 15:46.40 | methril | oh!! |
| 15:46.57 | prpplague | most companies are killing off dev teams right now |
| 15:47.20 | prpplague | i pretty much have untill the end of april to find something |
| 15:48.28 | methril | i didn't like to be in that situation |
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| 16:01.45 | Mirell | prpplague: Yowch. |
| 16:02.18 | prpplague | indeed |
| 16:02.28 | prpplague | sjhill: were you looking for me? |
| 16:08.02 | Crofton|work | prpplague, Garmin is hiring |
| 16:08.24 | prpplague | Crofton|work: oh yea? in the dfw area? or telecommute? |
| 16:08.33 | Crofton|work | dunno |
| 16:08.36 | Crofton|work | likely KS |
| 16:09.55 | Crofton|work | http://explore.twitter.com/WorkAtGarmin |
| 16:10.45 | sjhill | prpplague: yeah |
| 16:11.10 | prpplague | Crofton|work: yea, the boss lady doesn't want to move |
| 16:11.33 | sjhill | Crofton|work: Kansas City is a pit |
| 16:12.06 | CosmicPenguin | but bbq |
| 16:12.18 | CosmicPenguin | mmmm... kansas city style bbq |
| 16:12.36 | sjhill | that's like saying move to california for the weather |
| 16:12.37 | Crofton|work | probably why they are desperate |
| 16:13.15 | CosmicPenguin | Whatever happened to looking on the bright side of life? |
| 16:14.21 | sjhill | Look on the brightside, at least I'm not in CO to smack you. |
| 16:14.30 | solar | haha |
| 16:14.44 | solar | morn *. what a funny time to walk in |
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| 16:23.48 | Mirell | What |
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| 16:23.59 | Mirell | You people are sick if you think Kansas City BBQ compares to Texan. |
| 16:24.01 | Mirell | Just sick. |
| 16:24.16 | Mirell | Mmm, mutton and brisket... |
| 16:24.43 | CosmicPenguin | Texas BBQ is the worst of the BBQ genres |
| 16:24.51 | Mirell | ...you're dead to me, sir. |
| 16:24.51 | CosmicPenguin | Of course its BBQ, so its still delicous |
| 16:25.01 | Mirell | Heh. |
| 16:26.01 | prpplague | well if i don't find something soon, moving will have to become an option |
| 16:30.35 | Crofton|work | prpplague, Garmin is rumoured to use Pky |
| 16:30.39 | Crofton|work | er Poky |
| 16:30.51 | prpplague | Crofton|work: yea i seem to recall something of that |
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| 16:43.49 | prpplague | sjhill: troll? |
| 16:48.42 | MonMotha | prpplague: my experience so far has been that to find a job right now, relocation is likely mandatory |
| 16:49.10 | MonMotha | they're so few and far between, and for some reason, everybody is pulling talent in-office rather than allowing telecommute or contract |
| 16:54.23 | prpplague | MonMotha: yea thats what the headhunters have been telling me |
| 16:54.28 | prpplague | no telecommute |
| 16:54.58 | mgsnr | i can't see how that makes sense. in the age of out-sourcing, one would think that's perfect for employers. |
| 16:54.59 | MonMotha | they're also unwilling to contract out projects to either individuals or contract shops like they used to |
| 16:55.07 | MonMotha | that's pretty much what killed the company I worked for |
| 16:55.29 | MonMotha | seems odd, though. I'd think they'd want to be able to grab talent when it's needed with "no strings attached" for when it's not. |
| 16:55.38 | MonMotha | though companies may be in "hire and fire" mode |
| 16:56.16 | MonMotha | I have pretty much changed my requirements to consider "any job, anywhere" |
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| 16:57.44 | sjhill | prpplague: he/she needs to go read some basic cpu manuals |
| 16:57.51 | MonMotha | prpplague: if you have the magic 5+ years experience, that'll help |
| 16:58.30 | prpplague | has +12 specifically in embedded |
| 16:58.37 | MonMotha | that'll help a lot |
| 16:58.52 | MonMotha | many job postings are flat out requiring 5 or even 10 years with a specific technology |
| 16:59.23 | prpplague | hmm, just got an email about a potential job: embedded sw manager |
| 16:59.32 | mgsnr | good luck |
| 16:59.43 | MonMotha | yeah, there also seem to be an unusually large number of management positions openm |
| 16:59.44 | prpplague | hmm, wonder what kind of stuff |
| 16:59.56 | MonMotha | at least as compared to development/engineering positions |
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| 17:03.57 | T0mW | ~lart prpplague for just being Dave |
| 17:03.57 | purl | lowers prpplague's priority for just being Dave |
| 17:04.06 | prpplague | hehe |
| 17:04.08 | prpplague | T0mW: hey bud |
| 17:04.13 | T0mW | prpplague: maggot |
| 17:04.21 | prpplague | how is you money pit doing? |
| 17:04.26 | T0mW | prpplague: hows things been going. |
| 17:04.31 | T0mW | prpplague: still shoveling |
| 17:04.35 | sjhill | wow, a T0mW |
| 17:04.43 | sjhill | those things are ancient |
| 17:04.54 | T0mW | prpplague: although, not as hard as I was a few months ago, money is definately running out. |
| 17:05.10 | prpplague | i hear ya |
| 17:05.13 | T0mW | sjhill: sigh, true |
| 17:05.37 | sjhill | T0mW: :) good to see you |
| 17:05.38 | T0mW | prpplague: still have something on the line though, putting a proposal together for a linux thingy |
| 17:05.47 | T0mW | sjhill: good to be seen! |
| 17:05.59 | prpplague | T0mW: nice |
| 17:06.03 | sjhill | so |
| 17:06.17 | prpplague | T0mW: might have to start doing some contracting myself |
| 17:06.26 | T0mW | prpplague: understand you've been pounding the pavement ISO something else? |
| 17:06.38 | prpplague | T0mW: indeed |
| 17:06.43 | sjhill | it would be a violation to take a GPL application and statically link it against both BSD and GPL/LGPL libraries |
| 17:06.48 | prpplague | T0mW: AML is slowly killing off the engineering department |
| 17:06.54 | T0mW | sjhill: yes, it would |
| 17:07.06 | T0mW | prpplague: dumb |
| 17:07.11 | sjhill | rolls up sleeves to go beat a couple of developers |
| 17:07.50 | T0mW | prpplague: when times are bad, engineering is where you put your money. Because when the economy takes an upturn, you need those people to have your next set of product ready. |
| 17:07.50 | prpplague | T0mW: pretty depressing knowing that management hasn't got a clue |
| 17:08.00 | prpplague | T0mW: indeed |
| 17:08.00 | T0mW | phone, bbib |
| 17:09.40 | MonMotha | T0mW: well, everybody's hiring managers and firing engineers |
| 17:09.45 | MonMotha | so apparently management disagrees with you |
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| 17:10.31 | prpplague | yea i'm wondering what would be involved with this embedded sw manager job |
| 17:10.49 | mnemoc | teach and spank :p |
| 17:10.52 | MonMotha | prpplague: full frontal lobotomy |
| 17:11.03 | mnemoc | ow |
| 17:11.11 | MonMotha | it is a management job :) |
| 17:11.12 | sjhill | i dunno' but according to my emails, if i buy all these pills i'm going to be hung like a whale |
| 17:11.36 | MonMotha | sounds like the suggested punishment for spammers |
| 17:11.42 | MonMotha | force them to use all the products they push |
| 17:13.07 | prpplague | sjhill: interesting, according to my emails, i should have 38DD breasts |
| 17:13.29 | chouimat|work | hi prpplague ... good to see that you're still alive |
| 17:13.56 | prpplague | chouimat|work: hey bud, alive but definatly stressed |
| 17:14.40 | sjhill | heh |
| 17:15.59 | prpplague | yea i really like having to write a document explaining for an outside contractor to work on the hardware devices we have |
| 17:16.26 | MonMotha | need an outside contractor? |
| 17:16.47 | prpplague | MonMotha: hehe, AML might after april hehe |
| 17:17.03 | MonMotha | well, at this rate, I'll still be unemployed by then |
| 17:17.31 | prpplague | hands MonMotha a dvd copy of "The Full Monty" |
| 17:17.53 | T0mW | mnemoc: heh |
| 17:18.47 | MonMotha | prpplague: at this point, if income is involved, I'm probably game |
| 17:19.01 | T0mW | prpplague: you could always die as an employee and be reincarnated as a contractor? |
| 17:19.28 | T0mW | is on the phone with the IRS |
| 17:19.35 | prpplague | doh |
| 17:19.50 | chouimat|work | T0mW: ouch |
| 17:20.21 | T0mW | prpplague: I didn't give them all the money I owed on 2007 'cause I was buying the house and hoped that I could pick up work later to get the money then. |
| 17:20.34 | T0mW | is financial wizzard |
| 17:21.28 | prpplague | T0mW: uh ho |
| 17:21.57 | T0mW | so, take the $7500 First Time Homebuyer "credit", apply that to 2007, then wait four months until they contact me about the missing money to pay for 2008 |
| 17:22.31 | T0mW | I can usually drag my feet until around August before I have to either pay or set something up. |
| 17:22.47 | T0mW | such is life :-/ |
| 17:23.50 | MonMotha | ah yes, the "credit" |
| 17:23.53 | T0mW | prpplague: meanwhile, drywall + spackle |
| 17:23.57 | MonMotha | unlike the new one, which realy is a credit |
| 17:24.04 | MonMotha | but that's not retroactive of course |
| 17:24.10 | MonMotha | let's hammer people harder... |
| 17:24.12 | T0mW | MonMotha: yeah, we missed out on the $8000 'gimme' |
| 17:24.28 | MonMotha | what's sad is that it's looking like I'll have to sell this place |
| 17:24.36 | T0mW | MonMotha: ow |
| 17:24.42 | MonMotha | so that makes the $7500 "credit" useless, and I'm no longer a 1st time home buyer |
| 17:24.53 | T0mW | yeah |
| 17:25.14 | MonMotha | the $7500 thing will, however, effectively cover a loss on the property |
| 17:25.31 | MonMotha | when you sell, you have to pay it all back immediately, but you pay it back minus any loss you took |
| 17:25.36 | T0mW | My mortgage is only $527, but insurances + taxes, it really comes to around $775 monthly nut. |
| 17:25.53 | prpplague | doh, just screwed my 8050 together without connecting the internal battery cable |
| 17:26.11 | T0mW | prpplague: did you let the smoke out? |
| 17:26.22 | MonMotha | T0mW: it's not that I can't afford the property (for the moment, I'm fine there), but if I have to move to take a new job, keeping this place does me no good |
| 17:26.31 | prpplague | no, just gotta take it all apart again |
| 17:26.42 | MonMotha | and local job prospects are, at best, described by the word "dismal" |
| 17:27.48 | T0mW | MonMotha: nod, firms in NYC area are dumping IT people or drastically cutting their hours. |
| 17:28.40 | T0mW | heh |
| 17:28.49 | T0mW | funny how life works out |
| 17:29.18 | T0mW | this current project proposal deals with re-designing a re-design that I did 15 years ago on the same system. |
| 17:30.10 | T0mW | The pinnacle of my profession career will be supporting an obsolete processors assembly langauge |
| 17:33.23 | MonMotha | well, as much as such an activity sucks, you can make very good money doing it |
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| 17:37.24 | CosmicPenguin | http://jobs.qualcomm.com/staffing/Staffing.asp?page=search_detail&reqid=1789675&divId=G&title=Senior Director of Software - Integrated Platform Architecture (Linux or Symbian, Multimedia)&sort=0&selDivision=0&selJobAreas=0&selUSLocations=-2&selNUSLocations=-1&txtFullTextSearch=Linux&selDatePosted=all&txtReqID=&chkIntern=&chkNewGrad=&chkExpProf= |
| 17:37.40 | CosmicPenguin | If you want to come tell me what to do |
| 17:38.42 | prpplague | jokes with CosmicPenguin |
| 17:39.01 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i frequent tell you what to do, just tend to keep it to myself |
| 17:39.04 | prpplague | hehe |
| 17:39.32 | CosmicPenguin | heh |
| 17:40.46 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hmm, they want someone with a masters degree |
| 17:42.56 | T0mW | prpplague: hmm, answers questions well, but cannot think creatively? |
| 17:43.53 | wmat | prpplague: want to come to canada ;) |
| 17:43.57 | T0mW | seems that the people that can create things don't have the patience to spend time in a school gaining paper. |
| 17:44.36 | wmat | any job that would dismiss an applicant for not having a Masters degree isn't worth having to begin with |
| 17:44.50 | T0mW | heh |
| 17:47.05 | T0mW | I recall interviewing someone one time that was working on a Phd thesis for recovering bit data over satelite data links. He was insulted when I showed what the job was: writing code. |
| 17:47.31 | prpplague | hehe |
| 17:47.53 | T0mW | idiot vice president loosely worded the want-ad |
| 17:48.36 | wmat | I never understood why anyone would get a PhD in an applied science unless they were only interested in doing research and perhaps teaching for the rest of their lives |
| 17:48.59 | T0mW | hyped the company and made us sound like a think-tank, we were a think-tank: "doh" |
| 17:50.31 | prpplague | hmm, note to self, look for the origins of the phrase "think tank" |
| 17:51.41 | MonMotha | wmat: you might say that any job that would dismiss an applicant for not having X years of experience is also not worth having, but the real world doesn't work that way |
| 17:52.05 | wmat | MonMotha: good point; real life sucks |
| 17:52.55 | T0mW | "those that can, do. Those that cannot, teach" |
| 17:53.22 | MonMotha | I've applied for several positions demanding X years of experience, where X > what I have, but where I felt qualified. I haven't received any communication back on any of them. |
| 17:53.36 | MonMotha | not even a "no" |
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| 17:54.59 | T0mW | MonMotha: Lie, find a tech company that went under, say you worked for them a couple of years, then also lie about your age. |
| 17:55.03 | T0mW | hehee |
| 17:56.14 | CosmicPenguin | and then shoot ibot for recording that for google... :) |
| 17:56.35 | prpplague | hehe |
| 17:58.24 | wmat | just start writing ridiculously useless iPhone apps; one is bound to make a couple of 100K or so |
| 17:59.21 | MonMotha | you know, what's sad is that people will pay $1 for a useless iPhone app, but if I offer to sell them something physical and useful for $2, then "no, that's too expensive" |
| 17:59.35 | T0mW | CosmicPenguin: Human Resources people are too dumb to use google that way. |
| 17:59.57 | T0mW | wmat: "pull my finger" |
| 18:00.08 | wmat | T0mW: exactly |
| 18:00.58 | wmat | or iBirdFlip - an app that puts a graphic of a hand giving the finger that you then hold up and show people |
| 18:01.44 | wmat | utterly and completely useless; harder then actually flipping the bird normally; but guaranteed to make a 100K |
| 18:02.55 | MonMotha | sad thing is that, if you include work I did while in school (which was real, paid work), I do have 5+ years experience |
| 18:03.00 | MonMotha | but nobody considers that sort of thing |
| 18:03.02 | T0mW | wmat: better than muttering "screw this idiot" to your buddy during a meeting |
| 18:08.30 | wmat | exactly |
| 18:13.39 | prpplague | hehe, the pcb layout guy got in trouble because he did a microscopic pcb footprint on one of our pcb's that had the outline of the playboy bunny |
| 18:13.48 | mgsnr | lol |
| 18:14.57 | T0mW | my "job" is changing HMO providers, today. All these freakin forms. |
| 18:15.21 | T0mW | last minute is always better than planning ahead. |
| 18:16.00 | MonMotha | prpplague: see, the key is that those kind of things go on INNER layers :) |
| 18:16.21 | T0mW | I shouldn't complain, this arrangement gets me a small salary, medical, and the ability to keep myself in milk, frosted mini-wheats and beans. |
| 18:18.28 | T0mW | prpplague: canceled my CATV account, kept the internet cable modem. figure that the shows I watch are available via torrent anyway... |
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| 18:31.07 | T0mW | prpplague: we had one layout gal that used to "sign" her boards with a tiny piggy |
| 18:31.27 | MonMotha | little signatures like that are very common |
| 18:31.33 | T0mW | after all, it is "artwork". |
| 18:31.48 | T0mW | MonMotha: yeah, even amoungst the guys that do IC dies |
| 18:31.54 | MonMotha | indeed |
| 18:32.14 | T0mW | prpplague: his boss must be a real jerk |
| 18:32.19 | MonMotha | PCB layouts (and IC masks) really do have an "art" component |
| 18:33.03 | prpplague | T0mW: this wouldn't have been a problem if it was just unused trace area, but he did it as a ic footprint |
| 18:33.11 | T0mW | MonMotha: agreed. She had no clue about electrical properties and layout a board so that "it looked pretty". Her stuff was always good quality noise-wise. |
| 18:33.20 | prpplague | the assembly house complained |
| 18:33.22 | samrobb | Ooooh. Want. http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS9634061300.html?kc=rss |
| 18:33.25 | T0mW | LOL |
| 18:33.36 | MonMotha | generally, if the board "looks nice", you've probably got a pretty good layout |
| 18:33.52 | MonMotha | now, of course, understanding the electrical stuff behind it all helps, especially with high-speed controlled impedance stuff |
| 18:34.39 | T0mW | samrobb: ooo! |
| 18:34.44 | T0mW | drools |
| 18:35.06 | samrobb | Sigh... like I'd have the time to do anything with it. |
| 18:35.10 | MonMotha | I usually spend more time on a layout than a guy who just cuts the autorouter loose on it and cleans up afterwards, but my layouts work :) |
| 18:35.17 | samrobb | I still look longingly at my hammer occaisionally... |
| 18:35.21 | T0mW | MonMotha: yeah, we would identify critical high speed stuff to her that needed special attention. |
| 18:36.15 | T0mW | samrobb: sigh, I still have the hammer lcd to finish. Got the last revision board 7..8 months ago, then got involved in a lot of other stuff. |
| 18:36.35 | T0mW | I'll have to finish that board to continue working on ideas |
| 18:37.12 | T0mW | I learned NOT how to layout the USB traces... |
| 18:37.28 | prpplague | oh that looks dandy |
| 18:37.38 | MonMotha | T0mW: by routing D+ and D- separately? :) |
| 18:37.48 | T0mW | prpplague: scatter those little babies around the house, eh? |
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| 18:38.22 | T0mW | MonMotha: yea, I put them too close to each other and upset the impedance |
| 18:38.31 | MonMotha | now you know, that's interesting |
| 18:38.31 | T0mW | too thin as well |
| 18:38.46 | MonMotha | yes, you do want to get the single ended impedance right |
| 18:38.53 | prpplague | T0mW: yea that was kind of what we had hope'd for on the hammer |
| 18:39.00 | T0mW | IIRC, they are 100ohm lines |
| 18:39.04 | MonMotha | but there seems to be conflicting info on whether you should target a specific differential impedance or just "put them as close together as possible" |
| 18:39.05 | prpplague | but i see now we should have it in a smart case like that |
| 18:39.20 | MonMotha | I've tended to settle for splitting the difference |
| 18:39.40 | edev | hi! i'd like to trigger an irq on arm-elf-gdb simulator, does anybody knows if is it possible? |
| 18:39.46 | MonMotha | I think it's 100 ohm differential, 50 ohm single ended, but I'd have to go look it up again |
| 18:40.20 | MonMotha | my "standard" that seems to work on most stack-ups is 12mil width, 8-10 mil space between them |
| 18:40.41 | MonMotha | if I have an unusual stack-up or am doing high-speed USB, I'll tweak things |
| 18:40.46 | T0mW | MonMotha: I have a book, "VHF/UHF Manual" by G.R.Jessop, G6JP, that covers microwave striplines. From that I can calc how to build a specific impedance "transimission line" using two copper traces on a PCB. |
| 18:41.02 | MonMotha | T0mW: my layout software had that built in |
| 18:41.05 | MonMotha | it was cool |
| 18:41.11 | T0mW | is jealous |
| 18:41.18 | MonMotha | just hit design rules, width, impedance driven, tell it what you want |
| 18:41.24 | T0mW | MonMotha: Eagle doesn't have that |
| 18:41.26 | T0mW | heh |
| 18:41.28 | MonMotha | it'll even adjust widths as you change layers to account for distances from planes |
| 18:41.31 | MonMotha | no, Eagle doesn't |
| 18:41.40 | T0mW | awww |
| 18:41.41 | prpplague | edev: most of us here use real hardware, but iirc there is a way to create i/o files to simulate irqs |
| 18:41.43 | MonMotha | actually, Designer is the only package I've found so far with that |
| 18:41.45 | T0mW | MonMotha: stop it |
| 18:42.05 | MonMotha | it also had interactive length matching for things like RAM lines |
| 18:42.12 | T0mW | what is the package? |
| 18:42.14 | MonMotha | you could put everything necessary for SSTL/SSTL2 into the design rules |
| 18:42.17 | MonMotha | Altium Designer |
| 18:42.21 | MonMotha | it's a re-write of Prote |
| 18:42.21 | MonMotha | l |
| 18:42.25 | T0mW | yeah |
| 18:42.34 | MonMotha | not cheap, but worth every penny if you're doing commercial dev |
| 18:42.35 | T0mW | big bucks |
| 18:42.43 | MonMotha | it's no more expensive than PADS |
| 18:42.53 | MonMotha | and way cheaper than Allegro, despite doing more |
| 18:42.58 | T0mW | PADS sux |
| 18:43.02 | MonMotha | yes, I agree |
| 18:43.42 | MonMotha | Designer is by far the best ECAD software I've used so far |
| 18:43.46 | T0mW | MonMotha: well, here at Micro Services, we do it the old-fashioned way: we poke-n-hope. |
| 18:43.58 | MonMotha | I just wish it ran on Linux |
| 18:44.11 | T0mW | Even Eagle doesn' |
| 18:44.12 | T0mW | t |
| 18:44.16 | T0mW | run on Linux. |
| 18:44.24 | MonMotha | hey, look at it this way, if it saves you a rev. on a high spec board, it probably just paid for itself |
| 18:44.31 | MonMotha | Eagle doesn't run on Linux? It used to. |
| 18:44.43 | T0mW | it runs using wine, or something like that. It does not behave like a native app. |
| 18:45.05 | T0mW | really really sluggish on my Q6600 |
| 18:45.10 | edev | prpplague: any clue to start looking for info about it? |
| 18:45.19 | T0mW | It ran faster on a single core i586 |
| 18:46.19 | MonMotha | T0mW: weird |
| 18:46.20 | T0mW | MonMotha: maybe when I get some more money to play with I'll upgrade to the latest Eagle and that may clear up some performance issues. |
| 18:46.29 | T0mW | MonMotha: indeed |
| 18:46.39 | MonMotha | I will admit that Designer was not the best performing application |
| 18:46.50 | MonMotha | it needed a pretty hefty video card, good CPU, and LOTS of RAM |
| 18:46.57 | MonMotha | I had 2GB and I ran out occasionally |
| 18:47.04 | T0mW | zoom-in in Eagle and it slowly patters images into the window. |
| 18:47.20 | MonMotha | but then, if you're dropping that kind of change on the software, you can afford a good PC to run it on |
| 18:47.26 | T0mW | 8Gig RAM + Q6600 slows Eagle down |
| 18:47.36 | MonMotha | weird |
| 18:48.06 | T0mW | Interesting thing is that the AMD X2 + 4Gig RAM it was blazing fast |
| 18:48.31 | T0mW | heh, maybe it is spawning too many threads? |
| 18:48.43 | MonMotha | perhaps |
| 18:48.46 | MonMotha | what OS? |
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| 18:49.02 | T0mW | well, Linux (mandriva distro) |
| 18:49.07 | MonMotha | I guess Windows in general doesn't schedule very well, but Vista amazingly seems to do a LITTLE better (despite doing everything else poorly) |
| 18:54.56 | roxfan | "LINUS SUPPORT PACKAGE (LSP)" hehe |
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| 20:26.58 | agaffney | http://www.slashgear.com/marvell-sheevaplug-99-linux-pc-hidden-in-a-wall-wart-2435556/ |
| 20:27.32 | chouimat|work | agaffney: I have 3 of those on my desk |
| 20:27.51 | agaffney | are they worth $100? |
| 20:28.23 | chouimat|work | agaffney: yes |
| 20:28.27 | agaffney | hmm |
| 20:29.26 | mnemoc | chouimat|work: have you taking one apart yet? |
| 20:29.54 | chouimat|work | mnemoc: I have a sample device |
| 20:30.22 | agaffney | I wonder how well that would work as a thin client with a usb video device and keyboard/mouse |
| 20:30.36 | chouimat|work | mnemoc: one of the first one without the case ... |
| 20:31.29 | chouimat|work | agaffney: but wait for those shipping with hipserv 2.0 ... |
| 20:31.48 | agaffney | hipserv? |
| 20:32.12 | chouimat|work | agaffney: the product I'm working on ... |
| 20:32.26 | chouimat|work | agaffney: www.axentra.com |
| 20:33.22 | agaffney | nifty |
| 20:34.11 | chouimat|work | agaffney: linux based (redhat es5) |
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| 21:47.56 | prpplague | landley: hey bud |
| 21:48.13 | prpplague | landley: how goes things with crisco oops i mean cisco |
| 21:49.30 | landley | prpplague: I'm on vacation, visiting Eric up in Pennsylvania. |
| 21:49.38 | landley | We're trying to get the "Why C++ is not my favorite language" paper out. |
| 21:49.41 | prpplague | landley: oh dandy |
| 21:49.54 | landley | Cisco might want to start paying me again when we get back, might not. Dunno yet. |
| 21:49.59 | landley | They're pretty happy with Mark, though. |
| 21:50.16 | prpplague | ahh |
| 21:50.43 | landley | How goes employment in dallas? |
| 21:50.50 | landley | Did your company implode yet? |
| 21:50.57 | landley | (ACL? APL? I forget the name of it...) |
| 21:51.01 | landley | The parent of tin can tools. |
| 21:51.53 | prpplague | landley: naw, implode seems to imply that it happened suddenly |
| 21:52.21 | prpplague | landley: more like it's a bad case of cancer |
| 21:53.04 | landley | Has it actually stopped paying you yet, or does the pain drag on? |
| 21:53.28 | prpplague | landley: naw, i'm still good untill the end of april or so |
| 21:54.19 | prpplague | landley: gives me a reasonable amount of time to find something |
| 21:54.44 | prpplague | landley: we'll see what happens |
| 21:55.02 | prpplague | landley: i guess it isn't entirely impossible that there could be a change in management before then |
| 21:58.53 | chouimat|work | prpplague: it's texas so some trigger happy people might want to help you ;) |
| 21:59.35 | prpplague | chouimat|work: hehe |
| 22:02.08 | prpplague | man, having to balance deadlines with doing things right code wise sure can be challenging |
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| 22:13.22 | landley | just got off the phone with Mirell about that. :) |
| 22:49.04 | Mirell | Heh. |
| 22:50.15 | Mirell | I keep thinking that if I just do the stuff, it'll be over and...yah. |
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| 23:15.03 | Blice | So, trying out the hotplugging with mdev. I plugged in a drive, and I didn't get anything new in /dev... I did dmesg | tail, and I see that it recognized the drive and everything. sdb: sdb1 sdb2... But no sdb in /dev |
| 23:15.10 | Blice | It's a usb drive. |
| 23:28.49 | Mirell | waves at landley |
| 23:31.28 | Mirell | So I'm really liking Safari 4... |
| 23:33.15 | landley | Mirell: safari still wasn't available for Linux last I checked. :) |
| 23:33.38 | landley | Blice: you need to register mdev as the hotplug agent. |
| 23:34.21 | landley | echo $(which mdev) > /proc/sys/kernel/hotplug |
| 23:34.44 | landley | (Or built it with the funky netfiliter support.) |
| 23:35.05 | Mirell | landley: Yah...it's still so weird for me to give up on Firefox in my mentality though.. |
| 23:35.29 | landley | At the two year anniversary of Mozilla when it _still_ didn't have a useful release, I gave up on that codebase. |
| 23:35.57 | landley | Konqueror didn't take that long to come out with a usable release from the start of the project. |
| 23:36.01 | Mirell | Eh, I think it was Firefox 2 finally setting in |
| 23:36.05 | landley | They went zero to something you could test in a few months. |
| 23:36.08 | Mirell | I disagree with you on a number of points, |
| 23:36.19 | Mirell | But Firefox 2 is a step back, I'll agree. |
| 23:36.34 | landley | Firefox was long after I gave up on Mozilla. |
| 23:36.53 | Mirell | Firefox wasn't Mozilla. |
| 23:37.01 | Mirell | I mean, yes, it'd Mozilla Project, |
| 23:37.05 | landley | Galleon forked off of the mozilla codebase because it was too bloated, and tried to throwing most of it away, then the main project rebased on galleon. |
| 23:37.06 | Mirell | But different code-base, I believe. |
| 23:37.13 | landley | Firefox forked off of the Galleon codebase because it was still too bloated. |
| 23:37.19 | Mirell | Firefox is Gecko.. |
| 23:37.23 | landley | Nope, Firefox uses the mozilla core code. |
| 23:38.01 | Mirell | Mmm...you sure? |
| 23:38.49 | Mirell | Well, on the rendering engine, is what I'm saying |
| 23:39.29 | landley | Firefox still freezes to garbage collect for 15 seconds. Why? Because it has its own malloc implementation. |
| 23:39.41 | landley | When you're reimplementing large chunks of your C library and your OS in an application, something is wrong. |
| 23:39.52 | solar | which is known to be a darn good malloc() |
| 23:40.13 | solar | or so I've read.. |
| 23:40.30 | Mirell | I think the thing that makes me annoyed is Flash in Firefox, cross-architecture. |
| 23:40.52 | Mirell | I know it's not an architecture issue, because Flash in Firefox on MacOSX is cruddy, but fine in Safari |
| 23:42.55 | landley | mirell: flash is a binary only plugin, not much they can do about it. |
| 23:43.18 | Mirell | Er, yah they can. |
| 23:43.25 | Mirell | WebKit handles it just fine. |
| 23:43.27 | Mirell | Firefox doesn't. |
| 23:43.36 | Mirell | They both rely on a Binary API. |
| 23:45.42 | landley | Konqueror had to reverse engineer their API, and to reduce noise they insulated the heck out of it. |
| 23:46.03 | landley | They spawn a separate process to run nspluginviewer, and talk to it through a pipe or some such. |
| 23:46.37 | Blice | landley: Sorry I forgot to mention that. I did 'echo /bin/mdev > /proc/sys/kernel/hotplug', and it still doesn't work |
| 23:46.45 | Mirell | landley: WebKit is open-source though... |