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| 02:08.30 | joe_bleau | SheevaPlug: spiffy or sucky? |
| 02:09.04 | MonMotha | I think it's a neat idea |
| 02:09.16 | MonMotha | though with any Marvell product, I'm worried about completeness of open specs |
| 02:09.31 | joe_bleau | I downloaded the docs today. Schematics, BOM, some datasheets. |
| 02:09.41 | joe_bleau | Couldn't believe it--no NDA required. |
| 02:09.48 | MonMotha | for Marvell, that's amazing |
| 02:09.53 | joe_bleau | Exactly. |
| 02:10.00 | MonMotha | can you get docs for every part on the board? |
| 02:10.13 | joe_bleau | I didn't see (or search for) the core CPU docs and the PHY. |
| 02:10.44 | joe_bleau | They put the FTDA part on the jtag board, so you get a USB wiggler too. |
| 02:10.56 | joe_bleau | Or you can use the 20 pin connector. |
| 02:11.13 | MonMotha | I'm not a huge fan of the Marvell ARMs, though |
| 02:11.30 | MonMotha | in this application, my reservations about them don't really apply, though |
| 02:11.33 | joe_bleau | 1.2GHz sounds good. |
| 02:11.42 | MonMotha | yeah, but the pipeline is easy to stall out |
| 02:11.58 | MonMotha | Marvell's high-clock ARMs are the Netburst of the ARM world |
| 02:12.00 | joe_bleau | 88E1116R--I didn't search for that datasheet. |
| 02:12.09 | joe_bleau | Yeah, I noticed the bus was slow. |
| 02:12.18 | MonMotha | they do perform OK if you're careful with them |
| 02:12.33 | MonMotha | kinda high power consumption for an ARM, but this isn't a portable/battery powered application |
| 02:12.44 | joe_bleau | I think it would be cool to native compile ARM instead of cross. |
| 02:12.50 | MonMotha | I would have liked to see built-in wifi |
| 02:12.55 | MonMotha | Marvell certainly has products for that |
| 02:12.58 | joe_bleau | yep. |
| 02:13.30 | MonMotha | built-in wifi would enable them to be used as a smart AP |
| 02:13.34 | joe_bleau | Are they trying to raise their visibility after seeing the beagle board love? |
| 02:13.38 | MonMotha | perhaps |
| 02:14.03 | MonMotha | I really want to play with i.MX, but dev boards for that are expensive |
| 02:14.10 | joe_bleau | Chumby. |
| 02:14.18 | MonMotha | true |
| 02:14.24 | joe_bleau | My mom loves the one that I won. |
| 02:14.26 | MonMotha | which one does that use? |
| 02:14.37 | joe_bleau | 21? |
| 02:15.05 | joe_bleau | Pretty sure it's the 21. |
| 02:15.38 | MonMotha | I think the 27 was the one I was interested in |
| 02:15.44 | joe_bleau | 88PG847, 88PG8227: no idea what those are. Power supply stuff, I think. |
| 02:15.51 | MonMotha | one of them claimed 720p30 h.264 playback |
| 02:16.28 | MonMotha | TI had an OMAP that could do that, too |
| 02:16.47 | joe_bleau | I'd like to play with the MPC5121 too: http://linuxdevices.com/news/NS6657045483.html |
| 02:17.26 | MonMotha | cripes, that looks like a monster |
| 02:17.32 | MonMotha | built in PCI |
| 02:18.12 | joe_bleau | lcd+can+ethernet+sdram+fpu+usb: what more can you want? |
| 02:18.39 | MonMotha | 400MHz PPC is a bit paltry, though it's tough to judge when you've got all that "odd" execution horsepower available |
| 02:19.01 | joe_bleau | Well, flash and ram to make a nice micro; then I wouldn't even need an external bus. |
| 02:19.38 | MonMotha | any updates on the project, by chance? |
| 02:19.40 | joe_bleau | Be fun to race it against the Marvell kit. |
| 02:19.44 | MonMotha | (I gotta ask since you're here) |
| 02:19.44 | joe_bleau | No, no updates. |
| 02:19.47 | MonMotha | darn |
| 02:20.14 | joe_bleau | I really need to get back on that. Order some samples and such. |
| 02:20.37 | MonMotha | did you ever get a demo board? |
| 02:20.43 | joe_bleau | Not yet. |
| 02:21.34 | MonMotha | I think they actually had a 9261 Atmel dev board |
| 02:21.38 | MonMotha | might ask about that, too |
| 02:21.45 | MonMotha | that had a QVGA o nit |
| 02:21.59 | joe_bleau | OK. I'm still chuckling over the 'completely open' phrase in proximity to the Marvell word. |
| 02:22.21 | MonMotha | yeah, and tomorrow Broadcom will release docs for everything they've ever made with no NDAs :P |
| 02:22.39 | joe_bleau | But I'm holding the schematics in my hand. |
| 02:26.10 | joe_bleau | Is a .brd file some sort of PCB layout? |
| 02:28.07 | MonMotha | I think that's an Allegro PCB layout file |
| 02:28.09 | joe_bleau | From the BOM, it looks like the GPIO connectors are 30 pin 1.27mm pitch. |
| 02:28.20 | joe_bleau | Well, that's in there as well: the Sheeva card and the debug card. |
| 02:31.28 | joe_bleau | These look like fun, but I'll bet they won't be $99: http://www.marvell.com/products/embedded_processors/developer/kirkwood/openrd.jsp |
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| 05:59.26 | KazaLite | hi all |
| 05:59.58 | KazaLite | anyone from the uk having experience of job market? |
| 06:02.57 | KazaLite | im not sure whether i should apply directly for jobs or should stick to some recruiter and would tell for any job i want to apply for to the recruiter |
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| 08:14.46 | methril | yo |
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| 08:24.13 | keesj | http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS9634061300.html |
| 08:24.28 | keesj | SheevaPlug rulez IMHO |
| 08:33.29 | Madsy | keesj: Awesome. Do you know if they will sell units with european power sockets as well? |
| 08:34.56 | keesj | the unit is 230 compatible,but I guess they will |
| 08:36.43 | Madsy | Yay, and lots of L2 cache. I'd buy that one if it has JTAG support. |
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| 08:43.11 | keesj | it has out of the box |
| 08:43.35 | keesj | you plug usb and get serial+jtag (ftdi based I guess) |
| 08:43.58 | keesj | well http://www.linuxdevices.com/files/misc/marvell_sheevaplug_devboard_block.jpg |
| 08:48.37 | keesj | http://www.globalscaletechnologies.com/t-sheevaplugdetails.aspx#component |
| 08:48.50 | keesj | from reading that is all-in ! |
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| 14:12.37 | T0mW | tiptoes to coffee pot |
| 14:13.37 | wmat | runs |
| 14:13.44 | florian | hi all |
| 14:13.52 | T0mW | farts, loudly |
| 14:14.03 | florian | T0mW: ! |
| 14:14.04 | wmat | heh |
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| 14:17.31 | T0mW | Well, all I have to say is, "it's only 25 more days to Spring!" |
| 14:25.38 | prpplague | well, all i have to say is, "it's only 1355 days until presidential elections!" |
| 14:28.01 | prpplague | not that it is likely anyone wil be worthy of running against obama anyway |
| 14:32.50 | T0mW | prpplague: booooo1 |
| 14:32.53 | T0mW | prpplague: booooo! |
| 14:33.05 | T0mW | hissss |
| 14:33.35 | T0mW | Republicans are in full retreat |
| 14:35.00 | prpplague | T0mW: hehe, imho there is no GOP any more, the party is dead, and most of the people i know agree |
| 14:35.37 | mnemoc | time to fork then? :) |
| 14:35.45 | prpplague | indeed |
| 14:40.25 | florian | time to move to europe or asia ;) |
| 14:45.08 | prpplague | florian: if i move anywhere it will be back to barbados |
| 14:46.58 | florian | prpplague: sounds like an option :) |
| 14:48.21 | prpplague | florian: hehe, it sounds dandy, but for a nerd/geek like me, not being able to readily get computer bits and pieces is very frustrating |
| 14:49.16 | florian | prpplague: Amazon ships fast and more or less everywhere ;) |
| 14:50.13 | prpplague | florian: then you have to pay vat on that |
| 14:50.56 | florian | prpplague: ok true... well, I'm used to pay 19% vat :) |
| 14:51.32 | prpplague | florian: ahh, then it would be good for you since most of the stuff in barbados is just 15% |
| 14:58.16 | florian | prpplague: no i'm not going to move for 4% of vat ;) |
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| 15:02.21 | wmat | prpplague: move to Canada ;) |
| 15:03.03 | wmat | we have lots of bits and pieces here |
| 15:03.33 | T0mW | prpplague: they have snow in Canada, lots of it. |
| 15:04.05 | T0mW | Canadians build their cities underground. |
| 15:04.23 | T0mW | wmat: ;) |
| 15:05.45 | wmat | we bless the snow, as it kills the mosquitos |
| 15:06.01 | florian | :) |
| 15:06.24 | T0mW | wmat: yeah, we finally got a hard cold that should have killed off a lot of the ticks and other pests |
| 15:07.40 | T0mW | last Winter was warm and last Spring was wet so we had a lot of them last year. |
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| 15:36.45 | wmat | every place has it's own set of pests eh |
| 15:37.19 | prpplague | wmat: yea, my wife has lots of relatives in toronto |
| 15:37.53 | samrobb | prpplague: Wait. Are you saying your relatives are pests? |
| 15:38.04 | florian | hehe |
| 15:38.10 | prpplague | samrobb: that too |
| 15:38.17 | florian | wmat: indeed... here it is rain |
| 15:38.31 | samrobb | prpplague: ;-) |
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| 15:54.07 | wmat | prpplague: did you see that ARM will have netbooks out by June? |
| 15:54.36 | wmat | apparently priced somewhere around $250 |
| 15:54.50 | mnemoc | inches? |
| 15:55.03 | wmat | very small |
| 15:55.03 | prpplague | wmat: sorry no i did not see that, but i've heard a bunch of companies are working on arm based netbooks |
| 15:55.09 | prpplague | most will be cortex-a8 |
| 15:55.15 | wmat | as these are |
| 15:55.32 | prpplague | tbh, i'm not particularly happy with cortex-a8 stuff |
| 15:55.58 | wmat | http://osnews.com/story/21031/ARM_Shows_Prototype_Netbooks |
| 15:56.12 | wmat | they will run Ubuntu for ARM |
| 15:57.23 | florian | is not happy with Ubuntu on these devices |
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| 15:57.39 | wmat | holds out for a SuperH netbook ;) |
| 15:58.02 | mnemoc | is happy with his mips64 10" netbook :) |
| 15:58.05 | wmat | florian: the OS is somewhat irrelevant though, as you could likely change that if you liked |
| 15:58.25 | florian | mnemoc: hehe I was about to mention MIPS too :) |
| 15:58.40 | mnemoc | florian: :) |
| 15:58.45 | wmat | is that the Loongson one? |
| 15:58.53 | mnemoc | yes, 2F |
| 15:59.00 | mnemoc | www.gdium.com |
| 15:59.21 | florian | wmat: yes luckily... unluckily you can't say the same about cellphones :-( |
| 15:59.21 | wmat | fanless is a nice feature |
| 15:59.22 | mnemoc | very nice device, sadly the connector of the battery sucks |
| 16:02.05 | wmat | I can never find a place to buy those online |
| 16:02.34 | mnemoc | wmat: they are not selling massively yet |
| 16:02.52 | mnemoc | wmat: mine was only 250⬠|
| 16:03.01 | wmat | mnemoc: from where? |
| 16:03.05 | mnemoc | (expected for 369â¬) |
| 16:03.20 | mnemoc | wmat: they have a "hackers" programme |
| 16:03.26 | wmat | oh right |
| 16:03.46 | mnemoc | wmat: you have to register, and when approved you get a paypal money request |
| 16:04.16 | mnemoc | afaik they are preparing a v2 of the programme now |
| 16:09.19 | florian | Looks liek a pretty nice piece of hardware... |
| 16:09.25 | chouimat|work | morning |
| 16:09.45 | florian | looks around... and notices that he needs a bigger office |
| 16:09.53 | florian | hi chouimat|work |
| 16:10.17 | chouimat|work | florian: I need more deskspace, electrical plug, a bigger switch and walls |
| 16:10.48 | florian | chouimat|work: Walls are pretty useful, yes... |
| 16:16.18 | wmat | mnemoc: thx, i just signed up |
| 16:17.04 | prpplague | ho ho hum |
| 16:25.00 | prpplague | this whole deal at AML sure has me depressed |
| 16:25.17 | wmat | as well it should |
| 16:26.08 | wmat | prpplague: did they officially lay you off yet? |
| 16:26.35 | prpplague | wmat: not yet, but i was basically told to expect it |
| 16:26.58 | wmat | start stealing pens |
| 16:27.17 | agaffney | I hope they're gold pens |
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| 16:35.54 | kergoth | morning |
| 16:39.00 | florian | hi kergoth |
| 16:39.32 | kergoth | hey florian |
| 16:39.34 | kergoth | how's it going? |
| 16:40.16 | florian | feels like always... he can't complain but days are too short |
| 16:53.07 | flameman | anybody has seen http://elinux.org/BeagleBoard ? |
| 16:54.45 | chouimat|work | hi kergoth agaffney wmat prpplague |
| 16:55.08 | chouimat|work | looks at his debug version of the sheevaplug on his desk |
| 16:55.27 | kergoth | hey |
| 16:57.00 | florian | flameman: this wiki or the device? |
| 17:03.36 | flameman | the device, off course |
| 17:04.09 | kergoth | there's a beagleboard channel on this irc network |
| 17:04.12 | kergoth | if that tells you anything. |
| 17:04.12 | CosmicPenguin | chouimat|work: if the thing had built in wireless, it would be a winner |
| 17:05.04 | flameman | kergoth what is the channel name ? |
| 17:05.26 | kergoth | #beagle |
| 17:05.29 | kergoth | there are 123 people in the channel. |
| 17:06.07 | flameman | happy to know that |
| 17:07.19 | chouimat|work | CosmicPenguin: no wireless in this one |
| 17:07.31 | CosmicPenguin | chouimat|work: yeah - thats what I'm saying |
| 17:07.36 | CosmicPenguin | pass it up the line - we need wireless! |
| 17:07.55 | chouimat|work | CosmicPenguin: hehe ok I will ;) |
| 17:10.36 | Crofton|work | flameman, conf/machine/beagleboard.conf |
| 17:10.54 | flameman | ? |
| 17:11.09 | Crofton|work | arg |
| 17:11.16 | CosmicPenguin | hehe |
| 17:11.16 | Crofton|work | I thought we were in #oe :) |
| 17:11.30 | CosmicPenguin | I am incredibly amused |
| 17:11.46 | chouimat|work | CosmicPenguin: I would like to see our product on a sheevaplug with wireless enabled ... homeserver and accesspoint that would be a nice combo imho |
| 17:12.12 | CosmicPenguin | I agree - I can see putting one in every room in the house |
| 17:13.19 | CosmicPenguin | It would almost be like a mobile ethernet plug |
| 17:13.56 | CosmicPenguin | But that can do other things as well - home monitoring, servers of various kinds, bluetooth extenders |
| 17:15.08 | chouimat|work | CosmicPenguin: true ... here we are more interested in the homeserver/nas possibilities |
| 17:16.47 | florian | chouimat|work: might be interesting how the cpu performs with encryption |
| 17:17.08 | florian | what a broken sentence ;) |
| 17:17.16 | chouimat|work | florian: I have a few of those 1.2GHz kirkwood on my desk ... |
| 17:17.54 | florian | chouimat|work: a few... nice! |
| 17:18.01 | florian | home-cluster ;) |
| 17:18.18 | chouimat|work | florian: I working for axentra ( www.axentra.com ) |
| 17:18.20 | agaffney | wonders how long until the price drops to $49 on the dev kit |
| 17:19.20 | florian | chouimat|work: ok, i see |
| 17:22.11 | MonMotha | chouimat|work: I said the same thing: where's the wifi? |
| 17:22.20 | chouimat|work | hehe |
| 17:22.35 | MonMotha | put wifi on it and it makes a pretty awesome "high-end" wifi AP |
| 17:22.57 | MonMotha | and you can host your email on it :) |
| 17:23.39 | chouimat|work | that would be nice too |
| 17:25.13 | florian | with wifi it would make a good range externder for annn existing wifi router |
| 17:26.15 | MonMotha | with both wifi and wired ethernet, there are lots of possibilities |
| 17:26.24 | MonMotha | does that chip have any multimedia features? |
| 17:26.33 | MonMotha | if so, maybe a MythTV frontend? |
| 17:26.54 | CosmicPenguin | Are there USB IR detectors? |
| 17:26.59 | MonMotha | oh yeah |
| 17:27.04 | CosmicPenguin | because at the very least, it could be used as an extender for IR |
| 17:28.02 | CosmicPenguin | Or you could put a LED on it that can blink when you have mail |
| 17:28.13 | CosmicPenguin | that would be creepy - your entire house blinking slowly.... |
| 17:28.34 | MonMotha | use it to control all your lamps |
| 17:28.41 | kergoth | CosmicPenguin: ever thought about setting a default BBFILES based on BBPATH? |
| 17:28.49 | CosmicPenguin | hmm - no |
| 17:28.54 | CosmicPenguin | I've always manually set it |
| 17:28.56 | CosmicPenguin | I don't know why.... |
| 17:29.00 | kergoth | me neither, and i don't know why |
| 17:29.04 | kergoth | because it just makes sense |
| 17:29.23 | CosmicPenguin | I generally use a shell script to kick of bitbake that sets all the variables - I tend not to think about it until I drastically move installations |
| 17:29.37 | kergoth | yeah, me too. still, the fewer variables we have to set, the better |
| 17:29.44 | kergoth | less places for people to screw up |
| 17:29.45 | MonMotha | hum, apparently Nortel has joined the layoff crowd |
| 17:29.46 | CosmicPenguin | agreed |
| 17:32.37 | prpplague | kergoth`class: who are you kidding? you have no class |
| 17:35.48 | CosmicPenguin | wow |
| 17:36.23 | prpplague | jokes with kergoth`class |
| 17:36.57 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: the beer store completely sold out of the lefthand sampler cases |
| 17:37.15 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i figured at $36.00 it would be awhile before they sold them |
| 17:40.55 | CosmicPenguin | because even texans know good beer |
| 17:41.19 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: highly unlikely they were originally from texas |
| 17:41.19 | wmat | maybe they only had a few in stock |
| 18:04.03 | prpplague | wmat: they had about 20 out on the shelf |
| 18:04.34 | prpplague | wmat: i figured i'd be the only one purchasing them |
| 18:19.44 | wmat | prpplague: check your empties, maybe you _were_ the only one purchasing them ;) |
| 18:19.53 | wmat | prpplague: now we really know where you were last week |
| 18:19.58 | prpplague | wmat: hehe, i hadn't purchased one yet |
| 18:20.19 | prpplague | wmat: thats why i was upset about them being sold out |
| 18:20.31 | wmat | heh |
| 18:20.45 | prpplague | ~quote dji |
| 18:20.53 | wmat | patiently waits for a call from Canonical to save him from contracting at RIM |
| 18:21.26 | wmat | what's dji? |
| 18:21.26 | prpplague | ~quote .dji |
| 18:21.34 | prpplague | dow jones industrial |
| 18:21.36 | mnemoc | wmat: hey! that one is for prpplague ! |
| 18:21.57 | wmat | mnemoc: applied for a different one |
| 18:22.10 | mnemoc | ah, ok. forgiven then :) |
| 18:22.27 | prpplague | ~quote INDEXDJX:.dji |
| 18:22.42 | prpplague | ~quote csco |
| 18:24.32 | prpplague | i wrote on a piece of paper back in july of 2008 that the DJI would close below 7000 by March 1 |
| 18:24.48 | prpplague | pretty close to it |
| 18:24.54 | prpplague | and only a few more days to go |
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| 18:26.25 | wmat | so what's every body buying these days in terms of stocks? |
| 18:26.35 | wmat | it's still scarey |
| 18:26.52 | wmat | i know people who bought Citi when it was at $20 thinking they were geniuses |
| 18:26.54 | Crofton|work | Pepsico |
| 18:27.10 | Crofton|work | people will not give up soda and chips |
| 18:27.24 | CosmicPenguin | I am waiting for the bottom - my savings account is making more money then I could hope to get out of the stock market |
| 18:27.50 | wmat | i know people here who are gobbling up Manulife |
| 18:28.27 | CosmicPenguin | Give me a month over month positive increase, and I'll think about joining in - until then, I'll sit this one out |
| 18:28.45 | wmat | when I worked on the demutualization of Manulife 10 years ago the preferred share price was higher then what it's trading at now |
| 18:29.02 | wmat | but I guess you can't gamble what you can't afford to lose |
| 18:29.09 | wmat | and I can't afford to lose anything |
| 18:30.42 | CosmicPenguin | Etrade is offering 2.15% apy on their savings account |
| 18:35.15 | CosmicPenguin | Thats pretty good (though I can remember when it was 5%) |
| 18:41.20 | g1powermac | alright, so who wants to dissect my 30 day heart monitor gadget I got hooked up to me? ;-) |
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| 18:43.13 | g1powermac | extra bonus points if any of ya make the cardiologist flip out when he gets the results ;-) |
| 18:44.00 | prpplague | wmat: i have no money, so i have no stocks |
| 18:44.12 | g1powermac | hey prpplague |
| 18:44.21 | prpplague | g1powermac: hey bud |
| 18:44.48 | g1powermac | how goes it? |
| 18:48.50 | g1powermac | has been in and out of the hospital once again this past weekend, ie the reason for the heart monitor again |
| 18:53.39 | MonMotha | wmat: well, if you're in it for the long term, pretty much anything constituting a "diversified portfolio" (avoiding known potential problems) is likely to do OK |
| 18:53.54 | MonMotha | if you're in it for the short term, I'd just stay out |
| 18:54.57 | CosmicPenguin | Eventually it will hit bottom - and then you should look into some ETFs to take advantage of the rising indexes |
| 18:55.41 | CosmicPenguin | The corallary to "you don't always make 12%" is "you don't always lose 12%" |
| 18:56.35 | MonMotha | the reality is that corporate america is on sale right now. The issue is that, for some of it, there's a reason. |
| 18:56.46 | MonMotha | and it's not well known what that "some" is |
| 18:59.34 | CosmicPenguin | > Sorry the API is so horrid: I got interrupted in the middle |
| 18:59.34 | CosmicPenguin | > of designing |
| 18:59.34 | CosmicPenguin | > it for a meeting 2500 miles away, and the XImage interfaces never got |
| 18:59.34 | CosmicPenguin | > repaired.... |
| 18:59.44 | CosmicPenguin | If there is one statement that defines X, there it is |
| 19:00.25 | prpplague | g1powermac: it's going, thats abou tit |
| 19:05.03 | g1powermac | fun, fun |
| 19:06.20 | g1powermac | now needs to induce what sent him to the hospital this weekend so this heart monitor will pick it up, this should be fun |
| 19:33.51 | kergoth`class | prpplague: heh :) |
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| 20:30.58 | flameman | anybody good with Irda slip ? |
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| 20:45.50 | ds2 | CosmicPenguin: nice utils you wrote for coreboot |
| 20:47.38 | CosmicPenguin | which ones? |
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| 21:07.26 | T0mW | thinks he needs a Slap-Chop |
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| 22:54.54 | ds2 | sorry, cube environment... get dragged off easily... the coreboot guys mentioned your utility to dump the PCI config info... looks handy |
| 22:56.39 | CosmicPenguin | coreinfo? |
| 22:56.41 | CosmicPenguin | heh |
| 22:57.17 | ds2 | that sounds about right |
| 22:57.33 | CosmicPenguin | I am pretty happy with libpayload - it turned out pretty good |
| 22:57.39 | ds2 | there is a dos util that can give similar info |
| 22:57.57 | ds2 | I find diag utilities very handy |
| 22:58.43 | CosmicPenguin | It would be neat if coreinfo or some derivative would make its way into a prodution ROM at some piont |
| 22:58.56 | CosmicPenguin | probably won't happen, but oh well... |
| 22:59.54 | ds2 | that and memtest86 or equiv plus the grub thing would make a good default rom |
| 22:59.59 | ds2 | (IMO) |
| 23:00.10 | CosmicPenguin | yep |
| 23:00.42 | CosmicPenguin | We wrote a chooser for that - it could pick and run any number of payloads from the ROM |
| 23:01.02 | CosmicPenguin | With the intent that one could pick a number of different things - limited only by space on the ROM |
| 23:01.22 | ds2 | what I didn't get from the talk is how big is the ROM on a relative modern board... say a geode or a Opteron board |
| 23:02.31 | CosmicPenguin | 8Mbit is probably the most common size these days |
| 23:04.38 | CosmicPenguin | There are some SPI chips out there that can go all the way up to 16Mbyte |
| 23:05.23 | ds2 | like the Atmel dataflashes? |
| 23:05.54 | CosmicPenguin | Possibly - I don't know which vendors |
| 23:06.18 | ds2 | Atmel makes these SPI flash in the same formfactor as a SD card |
| 23:07.36 | MonMotha | only 8MB, though |
| 23:07.54 | MonMotha | and IIRC they are "not recommended for new designs" |
| 23:08.10 | CosmicPenguin | You really only need to start considering such huge sizes if you are going to put the entire rootfs image on the ROM |
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| 23:08.17 | CosmicPenguin | which I'm not sure is such a great idea in the first place |
| 23:10.09 | ds2 | DOH |
| 23:10.22 | ds2 | I liked the formfactor |
| 23:10.31 | ds2 | SD flash support! |
| 23:14.08 | MonMotha | rootfs in SPI flash is actually very reasonable |
| 23:14.55 | ds2 | Hmmm 386SX-16 with rootfs over a parallel port bit banged SPI flash... Hmmm }:-) |
| 23:15.03 | MonMotha | you put bootloader, kernel, and rootfs in SPI (and boot from it) and only put SDRAM on the external bus |
| 23:15.08 | ds2 | maybe run that with a mere 2M of RAM too? ;) |
| 23:15.11 | MonMotha | simplifies the RAM high-speed concerns substantially |
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