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| 01:18.46 | sunrunner20 | lol g1powermac |
| 01:18.51 | sunrunner20 | well |
| 01:18.57 | sunrunner20 | outlook > * for exchange :) |
| 01:18.59 | sunrunner20 | and |
| 01:19.02 | sunrunner20 | exchange ftw ^_^ |
| 01:21.56 | Mirell | Ouch. |
| 01:26.09 | sunrunner20 | nothing out there matches its feature set to my knowladge |
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| 07:36.47 | keesj | http://www.eleshop.nl/zeroplus-usb20-logic-analyzer-a-p-298.html |
| 07:37.43 | keesj | 120Euro isn't that a bargain? |
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| 12:28.10 | chouimat | morning |
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| 12:45.40 | g1powermac | well, this is kinda interesting: http://www.makelinux.net/kernel_map#sd |
| 12:57.07 | Mirell | Hmm |
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| 16:05.18 | prpplague | man, i don't log on for a week and the channel gets completely dead |
| 16:12.51 | chouimat|work | prpplague: hey |
| 16:12.51 | mnemoc | wb prpplague! |
| 16:13.00 | prpplague | greetings earthlings |
| 16:13.10 | joe_bleau | Nah, we've just all been busy. |
| 16:14.23 | mnemoc | prpplague: great to see you again around here :) |
| 16:14.41 | prpplague | thanks, been very busy job hunting |
| 16:14.51 | mnemoc | any success? |
| 16:19.20 | prpplague | got some promising leads |
| 16:20.26 | chouimat|work | good |
| 16:20.56 | joe_bleau | I'm just glad I don't rely on the hi-tech compilers, now that microchip bought 'em out. |
| 16:23.39 | GPSFan | prpplague: hey, welcome back... |
| 16:24.03 | prpplague | GPSFan: thanks |
| 16:34.14 | wmat | joe_bleau: why? |
| 16:34.15 | wmat | prpplague: still at aml presently? |
| 16:36.28 | joe_bleau | wmat: cause they're killing off anything that doesn't target a PIC. |
| 16:36.43 | mnemoc | prpplague: looks better |
| 16:36.51 | mnemoc | s/: // |
| 16:37.06 | wmat | joe_bleau: ah |
| 16:48.22 | MonMotha | yet another reason I try to avoid the use Microchip products |
| 16:48.25 | MonMotha | *use of |
| 16:49.25 | joe_bleau | Right. But what if you were targeting another 8 bit CPU with hi-tech tools, |
| 16:49.37 | joe_bleau | and microchip buys up hi-tech and kills off support for your compiler? |
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| 16:59.19 | wmat | lovely |
| 16:59.42 | wmat | do they support things GCC does not? |
| 16:59.48 | florian | hi kergoth |
| 17:00.00 | kergoth | morning |
| 17:06.00 | joe_bleau | wmat: yeah, 8 bit cpus. |
| 17:07.40 | adyer | wmat: they used to support a bunch of processor families that gcc doesn't cover, and they have been hyping an optimizer that works over the entire program |
| 17:10.02 | prpplague | wmat: yea for now |
| 17:10.45 | prpplague | wmat: best guess is end of april or middle of may |
| 17:15.17 | wmat | joe_bleau: isn't the AVR 8-bit and supported by GCC? |
| 17:15.28 | wmat | adyer: thx |
| 17:20.16 | wmat | prpplague: so is TCT essentially done? |
| 17:20.53 | prpplague | wmat: no clue, i was never an employee of TCT |
| 17:21.56 | prpplague | wmat: as far as i know, TCT is still getting ready to release the Beagle PuppE board that i worked up |
| 17:22.32 | wmat | prpplague: ah, that's good then |
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| 17:44.59 | Mirell | And server and Internet moved |
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| 18:45.31 | prpplague | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:45.42 | MonMotha | gtk drives everyone nuts |
| 18:46.16 | MonMotha | wmat: yes, gcc supports both 8-bit AVR and AVR32 |
| 18:46.23 | MonMotha | (which have almost nothing to do with each other) |
| 18:46.52 | MonMotha | I think gcc's support for the new 8-bit AVR "xmega" architecture is still fairly minimal, but it's otherwise fairly good. Could handle variables in program space better. |
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| 18:53.53 | prpplague | MonMotha: the dark gtk_combo_box_entry() widget doesn't support having scroll bars which makes it a real pain when using a Touchscreen |
| 18:56.43 | florian | prpplague: you need consultants for gtk? there are quite a lot in this area of the world ;) |
| 18:57.28 | prpplague | florian: i wish, AML is pretty much dumping linux after the M8050, so i doubt there will be much need |
| 18:58.22 | florian | prpplague: ah too bad... |
| 18:59.57 | prpplague | darn if i can figure out how to get a good pull down selection list using glade |
| 19:00.53 | prpplague | funny how the rest of the world is going head long into OSS whereas the US is still stuck in the MS mindset |
| 19:01.30 | wmat | uh, Canada ain't much better |
| 19:01.42 | chouimat|work | prpplague: it's probably because most of the technical person in theUS are going back home ... |
| 19:01.44 | prpplague | wmat: more than the US |
| 19:01.54 | prpplague | chouimat|work: indeed |
| 19:02.39 | chouimat|work | prpplague: http://www.scientificblogging.com/news_releases/science_literacy_american_adults_flunk_basic_science_says_survey <--- this is really scary |
| 19:02.54 | prpplague | see this just doesn't make sense, the gtk_combo is what i need, but according to the docs it is deprecated |
| 19:03.02 | prpplague | chouimat|work: indeed i already read that |
| 19:03.30 | chouimat|work | might explain the number of MBAs in the usa |
| 19:03.40 | wmat | prpplague: port Android to the Blackberry and the iPhone and everything will be peachy |
| 19:03.59 | chouimat|work | hehe |
| 19:05.24 | prpplague | wmat: yea, well, i had originally picked all matching parts with the freerunner(gta-02) so that when they got android working on the freerunner, then it would run on the 8050, but nooooooo they wanted to save $0.40 in parts |
| 19:05.50 | wmat | lame |
| 19:05.57 | g1powermac_PB | hey prpplague |
| 19:06.15 | prpplague | g1powermac_PB: hey bud |
| 19:06.25 | g1powermac_PB | hows it going, man? haven't seen ya in awhile |
| 19:06.57 | chouimat|work | prpplague: I'm currently reducing the footprint of the product because someone doens't want to the 0.25 extra to get 512MB of flash instead of 256MB |
| 19:07.19 | prpplague | hehe |
| 19:07.29 | prpplague | g1powermac_PB: busy busy, job hunting |
| 19:07.39 | g1powermac_PB | fun, fun |
| 19:08.01 | chouimat|work | prpplague: and they will be bitching because we decided to optimize for space ... |
| 19:17.17 | MonMotha | chouimat|work: well, are you making a million of them? |
| 19:17.27 | chouimat|work | not me |
| 19:17.33 | MonMotha | well, will a million of them be made |
| 19:17.34 | MonMotha | ? |
| 19:17.45 | chouimat|work | probably not |
| 19:18.03 | MonMotha | if so, saving a quarter per unit is somewhat significant (though I'd still question if you'll make the NRE back if it requires re-working the application software to fit) |
| 19:18.13 | MonMotha | if you're making 1k or less, it's probably not worth the trouble |
| 19:18.20 | MonMotha | or even 10k or less |
| 19:18.32 | MonMotha | 1k it's definitely not worth it :) |
| 19:18.56 | chouimat|work | I removed a few unneeded stuff since yesterday so it's will be ok |
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| 19:40.21 | prpplague | i just don't understand why they would deprecate this particular combo box, it is soooo much better than the one they replaced it when using a touchscreen |
| 19:41.30 | chouimat|work | prpplague: they don;t care about touchscreen |
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| 20:03.44 | florian | re |
| 20:06.03 | kergoth | hey prpplague, florian |
| 20:06.09 | kergoth | prpplague: how goes the job situation? |
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| 20:06.44 | prpplague | kergoth: got a few bites, nothing solid yet |
| 20:07.02 | prpplague | kergoth: got a few more weeks before i start getting desperate |
| 20:07.13 | kergoth | ah |
| 20:07.23 | kergoth | bites are good, here's hoping your hook sets :) |
| 20:07.41 | MonMotha | there's unfortunately nothing around me |
| 20:08.03 | kergoth | it seems like while embedded positions are quite in demand, they're spread out. hard to find good ones where you happen to be |
| 20:08.10 | kergoth | at least, thats been my experience thus far |
| 20:08.58 | MonMotha | kergoth: and everybody is demanding their talent be "local" |
| 20:09.08 | MonMotha | so no telecommuting and no contracting through another firm |
| 20:09.34 | prpplague | kergoth: yea that has been my experience as well |
| 20:12.23 | kergoth | MonMotha: aye, that's annoying. with irc or jabber and a collaborative resource like a wiki, telecommuting works very well |
| 20:12.25 | kergoth | shrugs |
| 20:12.39 | chouimat|work | kergoth: not for managers ;) |
| 20:12.43 | kergoth | heh :) |
| 20:12.49 | MonMotha | kergoth: that's my thought, too, though it is harder to do hardware that way |
| 20:13.07 | kergoth | aye, though if there's enough boards to go around, that's less of an issue.. course if you're doing bringups, thats probably not the case :) |
| 20:14.01 | MonMotha | the design can also get a bit complicated if you're not the only person involved |
| 20:14.17 | CosmicPenguin | I think OLPC development worked very well distributed |
| 20:14.22 | CosmicPenguin | surprisingly well for the system software |
| 20:14.47 | MonMotha | I think it should still be doable, but everybody wants their talent local, and who am I to argue given that there are some potential issues. |
| 20:15.11 | kergoth | o-hand worked quite well before they had a central office |
| 20:15.27 | CosmicPenguin | You need solid resources |
| 20:15.35 | kergoth | someone should write up a good thing we can hand to the manager to argue the telecommute point |
| 20:16.01 | CosmicPenguin | a good server, distrubuted tools, and a bunch of self starters |
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| 20:19.15 | MonMotha | hey, give me work and offer to pay me, and I'll do it :) |
| 20:20.11 | Mirell | Mmm, telecommuting. |
| 20:20.18 | Mirell | I finally got a bigger apartment today! |
| 20:20.28 | Mirell | Now it's gonna be easier to telecommutify... |
| 20:20.52 | Mirell | Also, hi prpplague! |
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| 20:34.01 | prpplague | Mirell: greetings |
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| 20:34.58 | prpplague | Mirell: was landley looking for me or something? |
| 20:34.58 | ds2 | prpplague: wb |
| 20:34.58 | prpplague | ds2: thanks |
| 20:35.11 | ds2 | prpplague: did they give you the axe? |
| 20:35.43 | prpplague | not yet |
| 20:36.01 | ds2 | gave notice of such an event coming soon? |
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| 20:39.19 | prpplague | ds2: yea management basically said that engineering department is going to get the axe somewhere around end of april or mid may, unless something changes |
| 20:39.34 | ds2 | Yikes :( |
| 20:40.05 | MonMotha | that's the way to get yourself out of a rut! axe the people who can develop new, innovating things for you! |
| 20:40.42 | ds2 | don't forget the part where you scream loudly to congress asking for cash infusions |
| 20:40.55 | MonMotha | I demand free money! |
| 20:41.42 | CosmicPenguin | oh, you are getting your cynicism all over my nice clean floor |
| 20:41.43 | ds2 | btw, is it ever wise to just rely on the tinning from a soldermask less PCB to tack on small SMT components? |
| 20:42.26 | MonMotha | ds2: For one-off stuff where you can carefully inspect everything, it can work |
| 20:42.38 | MonMotha | it won't be very mechanically sound, though |
| 20:42.39 | Crofton|work | depends how much vibration |
| 20:43.06 | ds2 | MonMotha: even if the traces look like they have a half moon profile? |
| 20:43.15 | MonMotha | It also depends on your footprint. If the pads are way larger than the actual leads, then it works better since there's more solder. |
| 20:43.38 | MonMotha | jeesh, that's a pretty heavily tinned board |
| 20:43.57 | ds2 | yep, worry I might build bridges if I use fresh solder |
| 20:44.14 | MonMotha | Give it a shot and see what kind of joint you get. A visual inspection is actually a very telling thing. |
| 20:44.17 | MonMotha | You may need to add some flux. |
| 20:44.39 | ds2 | sounds like a good idea |
| 20:44.54 | ds2 | the thing that worries me is if I develop a short under a chip |
| 20:44.54 | MonMotha | ds2: cool. I'll send you my bill. :) |
| 20:45.17 | ds2 | MonMotha: good way to sure you a copy of any bankrupcy filings :D |
| 20:45.18 | MonMotha | are these all leaded components? |
| 20:45.34 | ds2 | no, all SMT except for some 0.1 and 0.050" header rows |
| 20:45.43 | MonMotha | but they have leads |
| 20:45.49 | MonMotha | they're not QFN/DFN |
| 20:46.10 | ds2 | in fact, all TSSOPs except for the one uMAX that appears that I have to fix up with kapton tape and 30G wire to use an alternative |
| 20:46.18 | MonMotha | ok |
| 20:46.25 | MonMotha | you should probably be able to see any shorts you create |
| 20:46.39 | ds2 | oh that, yeah... only nonleaded stuff is the 2 pad passives |
| 20:46.44 | MonMotha | if you get any, just heat the problem area and "pull" the solder back onto the exposed trace |
| 20:46.52 | ds2 | you don't think bridges will wick underneath the chip? |
| 20:47.02 | MonMotha | never had it happen in such a way that I couldn't see and fix |
| 20:47.19 | MonMotha | get some magnification to check things out |
| 20:47.19 | ds2 | good to hear |
| 20:47.31 | MonMotha | unless you're like me and have extremely good vision |
| 20:47.45 | MonMotha | (even I like some magnification on 0.5mm pitch and smaller stuff) |
| 20:47.59 | ds2 | I an assortment of crummy magnifiers I can inspect with (really want a nice inspection stereo scope but no $$) |
| 20:48.15 | MonMotha | yeah, those are NICE |
| 20:48.26 | MonMotha | but even an eyeloupe is pretty good |
| 20:48.31 | ds2 | that is AFTER the metcal arrives ;) |
| 20:48.49 | MonMotha | I've actually never gotten to use a metacal |
| 20:48.50 | MonMotha | *metcal |
| 20:48.51 | ds2 | shipment from wish-land seem to always take forever :( |
| 20:49.11 | MonMotha | I know some of the high-end Metcal irons are pretty darned nice |
| 20:50.18 | ds2 | metcals seems to be the defacto standard around here |
| 20:51.56 | MonMotha | most of their stuff is fairly high end |
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| 21:28.05 | Mirell | prpplague: He might have been. I was just saying "Hi!" since I hadn't seen you in a while. |
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