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05:36.12MonMothahum, I don't normally have need for this, but anybody know of a company that does extremely low spec PCBs for reasonably cheap in low-ish (100-500) volume?
05:36.56MonMothalike 12/12, single sided, non-plated holes (heck, no holes at all)
05:38.06ds2checked expresspcb?
05:38.56MonMothathey go that low spec?
05:39.08MonMothamost of those quickturn places kinda have a floor on their pricing at which point dropping the spec doesn't help much
05:39.11MonMothaI guess I could quote it
05:40.03MonMothatheir website doesn't indicate that they offer a service that low spec at all
05:40.40ds2what kind of turn around?
05:40.46MonMothalong is OK
05:40.53ds2cuz for slow stuff, Try the SFE one
05:41.17MonMothawell, I'm trying to get a feel for the economics of a production product
05:41.26MonMothahence the 100-500 units
05:41.58MonMothathe problem I have is that normally I'm either doing quickturn stuff or I want a "full spec" PCB with soldermask/silk and plated holes
05:42.05ds2SFE does it by square inch so I don't think it matters
05:42.38MonMothawell, their pricing is still geared towards low volume.  If their pricing is what I have to go by, this won'twork
05:42.43MonMothabut I have a feeling I can get it cheaper
05:43.01ds2ah, think they also mention their supplier in china, maybe direct contact with them?
05:43.28MonMothayeah, Gold Phoenix
05:43.28MonMothaI had thought about that
05:43.28MonMothaI talked with them in the past about a production job.  Their Engrish wasn't good.
05:43.44MonMothaissue is that even 500 boards is maybe 3 panels at the board size I'm talking
05:43.49MonMothaso it's not THAT high volume
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05:44.48ds2what about that place in germany... they goto the trade shows
05:44.54ds2can't  recall their name
05:45.05MonMothaI know who you're talking about
05:45.12MonMothait's like pcbpool or something
05:45.17MonMothaanother aggregator thing
05:46.16ds2yeah that's it
05:47.18MonMothaI was under the impression they didn't do business outside of Europe
05:47.37MonMothaI guess I'll email Gold Phoenix and see what they have to say
05:48.31ds2the guy at the trade show booth insisted they will do one week turn with the US so...
05:49.12MonMothahum, ok
05:49.42MonMothaI really need to make this cheap
05:49.47MonMothalike my PCB cost needs to be less than a buck
05:49.55MonMothait's so simple, though
05:50.38ds2china is probally the best bet, I suspect
05:50.39MonMothalike 30 SMD pads (SOIC size), and I should be able to do 12/12 or larger, single sided, and it an be on that cheap phenolic board since I'll hand solder them
05:50.42MonMothayeah
05:50.51MonMothaI'm always amazed what low volume they'll accept
05:51.33MonMothaI like to keep things on-shore if possible: removes some shipping cost and some customs issues
05:51.39MonMothabut I may be able to make this work
05:53.25MonMothashite
05:53.39MonMothaGold Phoenix is $100 for 100 pcs of 1 sq in each SHIPPED to the USA
05:53.54MonMothaand that's 7/7, 15 mil PTH, 2 sides, FR-4
05:54.22MonMothaactually, $90 if you keep it to 1x1" or larger
05:55.11ds2there
05:55.19ds2probally no electrical testing ;)
05:55.25MonMothawell, no
05:55.28MonMothaI don't require it :)
05:55.59MonMothaI do like though that when I order from my US provider, even if I don't pay for E-Test, they'll replace any PCB I find defective (though they're not further liable for e.g. parts placed on it or assembly fees)
05:56.14MonMothawow those prices are good
05:56.26MonMothano wonder Sparkfun can make their thing work
05:56.46ds2heheh
05:56.53ds2going to be a SFE competitor? ;)
05:57.06MonMothaI might
05:57.36MonMothaI might just start panelizing stuff from people in here
05:57.52MonMothathough they do charge extra for a multi-design panel
05:59.16MonMotha$20 extra for the E-test
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07:51.59mib_9t0m6phello all
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15:07.13kergothmorning
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15:23.34damunixmorphis: kergoth
15:23.49morphisdamunix, ?
15:24.13damunixoups, tab problem
15:24.20damunixmorning I would say :)
15:24.32morphisno problem :)
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16:12.56mib_ghwdtqhello all
16:13.27mib_ghwdtqdoes somebody knows what's the component in the red square : http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=640852component.jpg ?
16:14.40florianmib_ghwdtq: looks like a tiny poti
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19:32.02florianre
19:40.19kergothhey florian
19:55.54kergothi wonder if git could be useful for tracking artifacts in oe, the input & output of the tasks
19:55.56kergothhmm
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20:24.13CosmicPenguinbtw - since you were mentioning it earlier, I'm not a fan of the Android repo
20:24.35CosmicPenguinThe individual git repositories make it difficult to manage large patches
20:37.07kergothdoes it? hmm.  i'd think the fact that repo manages your topic branch across all the repositories to make it a bit easier
20:37.50CosmicPenguinif the patches crosses repositories then its no fun
20:38.01CosmicPenguinpatch even
20:38.28CosmicPenguinIf you happen to be like me and a fan of the patch stack management system(s)
20:43.51kergothhuh, would have to think about that
20:45.52kergothof course, one could use subtree merging to manage a metadata repo using individual repositories too
20:45.55kergoththinks
20:47.02kergothhttp://wiki.github.com/evilchelu/braid
20:47.22kergothharder to get individual changes to pushed to the individual repositories though
20:49.02kergothshrugs
20:55.25kergothi wonder how much the overhead would be to basically take the input and output of the tasks and pull them into a git repo, take the sha1 of the tree and objects to capture the exact input/output, so you can keep track of unintended changes flowing in
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21:17.20CosmicPenguinisn't that like a meta git? :)
21:18.51kergothwhat i'm pondering is, sickeningly, more like clearcase
21:18.58kergoththe way clearmake stores artifacts in the scm and stuff
21:23.30MonMothamy god, did you just advocate clearcase?
21:24.16kergothi feel dirty
21:24.53kergothi'm not a fan of putting binaries in scm repositories, but it does have more tracability than most other similar tools do
21:24.58kergoth(clearmake, that is)
21:25.26MonMothakergoth: binaries in version control has its place.  It's very handy on websites, for example.
21:25.39kergothtrue
21:25.40MonMothayou can use the version control for all the images and template stuff in addition to the dynamic code.
21:25.52ds2just use VMS ;)
21:25.57MonMothamy rule is that anything that is not "generated" should go in the VCS
21:26.11MonMothawell, general rule at least
21:26.12kergothi'm sure a CM person would argue for configuration management of anything human produced for the product
21:26.33ds2clearcase... airhead... one and the same? ;)
21:27.04kergothclearcase has some nice features, i'll admit that.  the way you can pick and choose this and that version to construct your workspace using a config spec for your view is pretty bad ass
21:27.29ds2then you get asked to admin it
21:27.39kergothshudders
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