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| 01:05.57 | ds2 | *yawn* |
| 01:06.16 | ds2 | MonMotha: looks like I'll be joining you on the bench |
| 01:07.13 | kergoth | http://www.happiness-project.com/happiness_project/2009/04/a-fake-ad-for-a-drug-for-the-insufferably-cheery.html |
| 01:07.16 | MonMotha | ds2: actually, I'm presently waiting on an offer |
| 01:07.37 | ds2 | MonMotha: oh fine.... then I'll be on the bench by myself :( |
| 01:07.58 | MonMotha | ds2: well, good luck |
| 01:08.05 | MonMotha | be willing to relocate |
| 01:08.08 | MonMotha | that's what it took |
| 01:08.20 | ds2 | I have no issues with relocating |
| 01:08.42 | solar | then you should get the heck out of the valley so you don't burn any savings you might have |
| 01:09.09 | ds2 | solar: you donno how close I have been to the moving thing so many times before |
| 01:09.41 | solar | you own the house you live in? |
| 01:09.43 | MonMotha | if you're in SV, then there may be some openings |
| 01:09.56 | ds2 | solar: no, the financial institution does. |
| 01:09.56 | MonMotha | I'm in an area that's not exactly tech-centric or big, so just NOTHING here |
| 01:10.13 | ds2 | MonMotha: I know... I am from Chicago |
| 01:10.18 | solar | ds2: do they own a copy of youre name on paper? |
| 01:10.29 | ds2 | solar: yes they do |
| 01:10.42 | MonMotha | ds2: actually, I'm moving to Chicago |
| 01:10.53 | ds2 | MonMotha: what parts? |
| 01:11.07 | ds2 | depending on which way things fall, I might be there |
| 01:11.22 | MonMotha | ds2: near ohare |
| 01:11.32 | ds2 | like Rosemont? |
| 01:13.57 | MonMotha | I haven't looked at the map to see what all the local communities are named |
| 01:14.02 | MonMotha | there's a job there, so I'm moving there |
| 01:14.20 | ds2 | I see |
| 01:14.39 | ds2 | at least you are moving to the north suburbs not places like Gary |
| 01:17.03 | MonMotha | I would not want to live in Gary |
| 01:17.55 | solar | heh :) that is a given.. You know you can buy a whole house + land there for like 2-7k USD |
| 01:18.10 | MonMotha | yeah, but would you want to? |
| 01:18.15 | ds2 | solar: you know about Gary? ;) |
| 01:18.23 | solar | will be saving his loot for other things |
| 01:18.29 | solar | ds2: of course. |
| 01:18.36 | solar | http://www.embeddedlinuxconference.com/elc_2009/index.html |
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| 01:18.46 | solar | btw you heading there at all this week? |
| 01:19.00 | solar | last year could of been a cash cow had I been looking for side work. |
| 01:19.06 | ds2 | solar: probally not... fri is the last day |
| 01:19.17 | solar | you should try if you are looking for local clients |
| 01:19.59 | ds2 | so the question is... is the probability of finding a client there * $75 worth it |
| 01:23.37 | ds2 | Hmmm tomorrow's sessions does look interesting |
| 01:32.22 | ds2 | Solar: will you be there all 3 days? |
| 01:34.49 | solar | I'm not sure I'll be able to make it at all this year |
| 01:35.10 | ds2 | ah |
| 01:35.36 | ds2 | I hate the location... it is not near bart |
| 01:36.06 | solar | it's at the moscone center? |
| 01:36.24 | ds2 | no Hotel Kabuki |
| 01:39.39 | ds2 | unless google is wrong, it is a bus + walk away from bart |
| 02:06.48 | ds2 | blah... even the ELC social events are at public transportation unfriendly locations |
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| 02:37.18 | ds2 | MonMotha: with your impending move, does this mean you will have access to layout tools again? |
| 02:37.30 | MonMotha | actually, probably not |
| 02:37.36 | MonMotha | I won't be the layout guy |
| 02:38.08 | ds2 | oh |
| 02:38.12 | MonMotha | so I'll probably lose access to my good CAD software forever unless I care to buy myself a copy (about $10k, which is tough to justify for hobbyist purposes) |
| 02:38.25 | MonMotha | the new place also doesn't use the package I like |
| 02:38.25 | ds2 | which CAD package were you using? |
| 02:38.31 | MonMotha | Altium Designer |
| 02:38.46 | MonMotha | ~$8-12k (depending on how desperate they are) for the "Everything" license |
| 02:38.46 | ds2 | ah... must be someone else I am thinking of that does stuff in OrCAD |
| 02:38.54 | MonMotha | I do know how to use OrCAD |
| 02:39.02 | ds2 | I know about pricing of Altium stuff |
| 02:39.04 | MonMotha | and I actually may still be able to use it |
| 02:39.14 | ds2 | but you don't have access to OrCAD anymore right? |
| 02:39.17 | MonMotha | new place apparently uses OrCAD/PADS |
| 02:39.25 | ds2 | Oh you do |
| 02:39.29 | MonMotha | I still have it, and last I checked, the license server was open to the internet :) |
| 02:39.35 | MonMotha | (this was from some place else) |
| 02:39.44 | ds2 | Heheh |
| 02:40.05 | MonMotha | I definitely prefer Designer, though |
| 02:40.10 | MonMotha | I find PADS absolutely infuriating to use |
| 02:40.15 | MonMotha | OrCAD is OK, but showing its age |
| 02:40.25 | ds2 | well, I am still hacking with Eagle so... :D |
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| 19:07.03 | dax2112rush | Hi, I'm building an embedded ARM system with a custom-made glibc toolchain: kernel boots fine, but /sbin/init doesn't seem to start, any ideas what I should check? |
| 19:07.03 | florian | re |
| 19:07.35 | florian | dax2112rush: eabi vs. oabi? |
| 19:07.48 | dax2112rush | eabi |
| 19:08.03 | ds2 | sanity checked it with a known good executeable like /bin/sh? |
| 19:08.41 | dax2112rush | I did try a statically linked hello world but it with the same toolchain |
| 19:10.15 | dax2112rush | Should I be able to take a statically linked uclibc binary and run it as init without recompiling my kernel? |
| 19:10.19 | ds2 | which ARM arch? v4? v5? |
| 19:10.29 | dax2112rush | v4 I think |
| 19:10.30 | ds2 | yes you should be able to do that |
| 19:10.32 | dax2112rush | arm920t |
| 19:10.37 | ds2 | tried sanitizing it in QEMU? |
| 19:11.04 | dax2112rush | I never used QEMU, it's a simulator? |
| 19:11.12 | ds2 | yes |
| 19:11.36 | dax2112rush | Is there any quickstart guide, I may try that |
| 19:11.40 | ds2 | it can definitely emulate an ARMv4 device; just donno which one |
| 19:12.00 | ds2 | not really...just search for qemu... there might be a prebuilt userland floating around so you can try that with your kernel |
| 19:12.15 | ds2 | qemu natively understands zImage/bzImage |
| 19:12.29 | dax2112rush | I'll take a look at that, thanks! |
| 19:23.53 | dax2112rush | Using an old uclibc userland I get some output at least, a kernel panic because of kernel panic because of an unresolved symbol in init. Would the absence of output mean that the /sbin/init process was successfully started? |
| 19:39.03 | dax2112rush | florian: you were right, I tought compiling the kernel with a eabi toolchain meant it would be compiled with EABI, but no |
| 19:39.06 | dax2112rush | thanks a lot |
| 19:40.42 | florian | dax2112rush: yw :) |
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| 22:55.47 | MonMotha | woah...free solidworks? |
| 22:55.57 | kergoth | ? |
| 22:57.23 | MonMotha | apparently if you are unemployed, you can get a free copy of solidworks (I presume for "educational" purposes only), according to /. |
| 22:57.32 | MonMotha | AutoCAD, too |
| 22:57.59 | MonMotha | though I care far more about solidworks. I found that my ability to be "the one" in terms of hardware was limited by my inability to do enclosure design |
| 22:58.37 | MonMotha | of course, /. is going nuts with "but use the free equivalents", which of course aren't nearly equivalent (even further than GIMP is from Photoshop - the free stuff is barely adequate for toy usage) |
| 22:58.52 | kergoth | free equivalent of solidworks? hah |
| 22:59.03 | MonMotha | exactly |
| 22:59.15 | MonMotha | There is a OSS 3D MCAD suite, but it's pretty minimal |
| 22:59.22 | MonMotha | even less developed than the gEDA suite |
| 22:59.35 | MonMotha | somebody was suggesting Blender, which of course isn't a CAD program at all |
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