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| 00:23.33 | g1powermac_PB | heh |
| 00:23.39 | g1powermac_PB | well now this is sweet: http://store.diyembedded.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=1&products_id=2 |
| 00:23.47 | g1powermac_PB | rf module with built in 8051 |
| 00:24.09 | g1powermac_PB | a usb 8051 to boot |
| 00:26.20 | g1powermac_PB | wonders how hard it would be to bitbang an i2c interface with that 8051 |
| 00:27.13 | MonMotha | bit-banging I2C isn't that hard, especially if you don't implement the "bit stretch" feature |
| 00:27.27 | g1powermac_PB | the big thing is throughput |
| 00:27.36 | MonMotha | I2C isn't exactly fast |
| 00:27.41 | MonMotha | 100kbps is standard |
| 00:27.46 | MonMotha | 300kbps is "high speed" |
| 00:28.18 | g1powermac_PB | hmm |
| 00:28.58 | g1powermac_PB | that'll definitely be a bottleneck of this chain |
| 00:29.12 | MonMotha | most people use SPI if they need to go faster |
| 00:29.24 | MonMotha | common SPI clock rates are 100kHz to several MHz |
| 00:29.24 | g1powermac_PB | though I really don't know how fast my craignell is going to spit out data |
| 00:29.38 | g1powermac_PB | yea, I wish the zipit2 had brought spi out |
| 00:29.42 | g1powermac_PB | only i2c |
| 00:29.46 | MonMotha | is that the FPGA board? it'll spit it out however fast you want? |
| 00:30.29 | g1powermac_PB | yea, its the fpga board, but it will be processing the rng data from the two rngs I'll be getting eventually |
| 00:30.41 | g1powermac_PB | before sending the data wirelessly to the zipit |
| 00:31.31 | g1powermac_PB | of course I could maybe use an actual wifi module and use the zipits own wifi |
| 00:32.07 | g1powermac_PB | but the topology of that won't work well for future expansion of this system |
| 00:34.06 | g1powermac_PB | heh, ok, the rngs can only output 50kbitps anyway |
| 00:34.22 | g1powermac_PB | so 100kbps should be plenty |
| 00:36.29 | g1powermac_PB | though, actually, for each random bit, the fpga is going to produce 240 bits, hmm |
| 00:37.37 | MonMotha | what? |
| 00:37.46 | MonMotha | how's that random? |
| 00:39.22 | g1powermac_PB | well, this is how it'll work, the fpga will be using the two rngs to seed an algorithm |
| 00:39.39 | g1powermac_PB | which will produce streams of bits that will be displayed on the zipit's screen |
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| 02:28.11 | MonMotha | ds2: around? |
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| 02:32.33 | ds2 | ? |
| 02:40.24 | MonMotha | ds2: know anybody who will do sheet metal fabrication on the cheap? |
| 02:40.37 | ds2 | what volume? |
| 02:40.48 | MonMotha | ~4-6 pieces |
| 02:41.05 | MonMotha | not very complicated, though |
| 02:41.20 | ds2 | what do you need done? I do that sort of thing |
| 02:41.30 | ds2 | just not equiped for production volumes |
| 02:41.49 | ds2 | punch outs? bends? welds? |
| 02:42.36 | MonMotha | I can draw things up, but it's 4-6 pieces each of 4 parts. Cut shape, some punch outs, and some bends. Steel ~1/16" thick |
| 02:43.03 | MonMotha | the punch outs are just slots, and there's some holes to drill, too |
| 02:43.07 | ds2 | 1/16 is thicker then what I like dealing with but I think that's within my capacity |
| 02:43.14 | MonMotha | it may be thinner |
| 02:43.17 | MonMotha | let me go get my calipers |
| 02:43.26 | ds2 | calipers with sheet metal? ewwwww |
| 02:43.34 | ds2 | <-- would use a mic |
| 02:45.52 | ds2 | another useful info is, how far are the holes away from the edge |
| 02:46.17 | ds2 | most punches have a limited throat |
| 02:46.46 | MonMotha | actually, this is a micrometer |
| 02:46.56 | MonMotha | I'm actually cloning a design. Let me see if I've got pictures handy. |
| 02:47.22 | ds2 | worse case is I can CNC the cutouts |
| 02:47.36 | MonMotha | actually, I guess it's only 3 parts, not 4 |
| 02:47.37 | ds2 | but CNC'ing sheetmetals can leave burrs...punching is so much nicer |
| 02:48.40 | MonMotha | https://gigapet.monmotha.net/~monmotha/IMG_2966.JPG shows two of the pieces |
| 02:48.57 | MonMotha | the 3rd pieces is a cover of sorts |
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| 02:49.41 | ds2 | I see one obvious peice, the big disk on the bottom |
| 02:49.47 | ds2 | where is the second peice? |
| 02:50.21 | ds2 | looks to be about 1ft diameter? |
| 02:51.25 | MonMotha | the big disk you're actually not making |
| 02:51.36 | ds2 | Oh |
| 02:51.37 | MonMotha | I just need the two tiny pieces in the middle holding the spring and encoder |
| 02:51.52 | ds2 | Oh just the 2 brackets? |
| 02:52.02 | MonMotha | yup, and then a cover |
| 02:52.11 | ds2 | that's pretty easy... from what I can tell, it doesn't need the spring thing as a slot |
| 02:52.12 | MonMotha | the cover is bigger, but very simple |
| 02:52.28 | ds2 | high big? just want to make sure my tools have capacity |
| 02:52.30 | MonMotha | no, those could be drilled holes, but then they'd have to be off-center so that the spring can hook in |
| 02:52.41 | ds2 | ball park envelope size |
| 02:52.44 | MonMotha | see those two tapped holes in the "golden" plate? |
| 02:52.54 | MonMotha | the mounting flanges screw into those] |
| 02:53.02 | ds2 | 2 small c-sink'ed holes? |
| 02:53.05 | MonMotha | it's about 4x3" |
| 02:53.14 | ds2 | Oh should be no problem |
| 02:53.26 | MonMotha | ~1.5" tall |
| 02:53.27 | ds2 | I can punch the holes; I assume they are a standard SAE size |
| 02:53.36 | MonMotha | it's a 3 sided box with small flanges |
| 02:53.40 | ds2 | don't think I have metric dies |
| 02:53.41 | MonMotha | actually everything is metric |
| 02:53.53 | MonMotha | but you can just pick a convenient SAE size |
| 02:54.16 | ds2 | I figure from the picture, the holes aren't critical |
| 02:54.20 | MonMotha | right |
| 02:54.44 | ds2 | are you providing stock or do I need to shear raw stock to size? |
| 02:54.47 | MonMotha | the hole that holds in the brass spacer for the encoder armature kinda is |
| 02:54.50 | MonMotha | I don't have any stock |
| 02:55.13 | ds2 | no biggie |
| 02:55.15 | MonMotha | ok |
| 02:55.21 | MonMotha | I'm still trying to find a source for the encoders |
| 02:55.25 | MonMotha | they're a Japanese part |
| 02:55.26 | ds2 | got a local supplier |
| 02:55.38 | ds2 | is that optical or magnetic or ???? |
| 02:56.08 | MonMotha | optical |
| 02:56.23 | ds2 | well if you don't need it to match exactly; try US digital |
| 02:56.23 | MonMotha | I could theoretically substitute another part, but I'd like to keep it identical |
| 02:56.28 | ds2 | oh okay |
| 02:56.54 | MonMotha | there's also that collar on the shaft of the encoder with the rubber piece that engages the white plastic disk |
| 02:56.58 | MonMotha | think you can do anything there? |
| 02:57.02 | ds2 | think the biggest request is, drawings need to be readable! and I don't think I can convert solid works |
| 02:57.26 | MonMotha | I can send you the one I have as a model |
| 02:57.30 | MonMotha | just make sure it comes back :) |
| 02:57.38 | ds2 | collar? can't see it it in the pix but I assume it'll be a lathe job |
| 02:57.43 | ds2 | sure, I can turn things |
| 02:58.04 | ds2 | what kind of material? |
| 02:58.28 | MonMotha | its in the pic. little (appears to be) stainless collar with the rubber grommet thing on the shaft of the encoder (encoder is upside down in pic) touching the white plastic disk in center |
| 02:58.53 | MonMotha | it's also got a tapped hole for something to lock it to the shaft |
| 02:58.57 | MonMotha | one of those little hex key slugs |
| 02:59.48 | ds2 | uh... stainless? that will cost you (stainless wears out tools quickly) |
| 03:00.03 | MonMotha | well, this one appears to be stainless or maybe aluminum |
| 03:00.05 | ds2 | oh set screws...that's standard |
| 03:00.22 | MonMotha | yes, a set screw |
| 03:00.24 | ds2 | aluminum (assuming 6061 or another machineable grade) is fine but SS is a pain |
| 03:00.25 | MonMotha | that's the term I was looking for |
| 03:00.35 | MonMotha | well, aluminum is certainly suitable |
| 03:00.49 | MonMotha | do you see the part I'm talking about? |
| 03:00.51 | ds2 | 416 might be the only alloy that is easy... 300's are a MAJOR issue |
| 03:01.10 | ds2 | ah yes, there seesm to be a hex thing above it between it and the encoder |
| 03:01.48 | MonMotha | yes, I'm not sure what it's there for. I think it may be an older model. The one I'm holding in my hands doesn't have it. |
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| 03:02.11 | MonMotha | I presume it's a hex nut to hold the armature to the encoder. The model I have uses two screws into the body of the encoder |
| 03:02.35 | MonMotha | oh, actually, that jst looks like a hex nut |
| 03:02.44 | MonMotha | that's actually the metal armature that attaches to the spring and such |
| 03:03.16 | MonMotha | they just angled the corners off rather than round it |
| 03:03.29 | ds2 | ah |
| 03:04.02 | MonMotha | while we're on the subject, I also need that white plastic disk, and I need to modify a metal surface to have screw holes for all this stuff |
| 03:04.13 | MonMotha | I'm retrofitting this into a device that has a "Giant metal toothed disk" setup |
| 03:04.21 | ds2 | Oh |
| 03:04.26 | ds2 | what material is the plastic? |
| 03:04.31 | MonMotha | I can't tell |
| 03:04.34 | MonMotha | just about anything will do |
| 03:04.47 | MonMotha | seems like maybe a PVC or similar |
| 03:04.52 | ds2 | from a machinist standpoint I have a few preferences but it may be costlier then you would like |
| 03:05.15 | MonMotha | well, you can see how it's being used, so I'm guessing you have some suggestions |
| 03:05.26 | ds2 | well, Delrin is very machineable |
| 03:05.47 | ds2 | but $$$. HDPE/UHMW is cheap but not very machineable (gets gummy and soft) |
| 03:05.58 | MonMotha | well, it's just a disk with 3 holes |
| 03:06.06 | ds2 | PVC is a compromise... from the picture I am guessing it has no structural thing to it |
| 03:06.11 | MonMotha | nope |
| 03:06.17 | ds2 | and unless you need it white, I'd try using ABS |
| 03:06.28 | MonMotha | all it does is transfer rotary motion from the device it's screwed into to that encoder |
| 03:06.37 | MonMotha | color isn't important. You can't see this. |
| 03:06.48 | ds2 | ABS _SEEMS_ to machine a tad bit better then PVC but if you are doing production, PE is cheapest |
| 03:07.04 | ds2 | so it serves no other optical purposes? |
| 03:07.23 | MonMotha | none at all |
| 03:07.32 | ds2 | recommend - Delrin (Acetal) if it isn't significantly more; otherwise ABS |
| 03:07.40 | ds2 | Acetal is just nice stuff to machine :D |
| 03:07.40 | MonMotha | ok |
| 03:07.57 | MonMotha | how much do you think it would cost for all this? |
| 03:08.08 | MonMotha | let's say 6 pieces of each part |
| 03:08.12 | ds2 | labor or labor + material? |
| 03:08.15 | MonMotha | labor + material |
| 03:08.31 | MonMotha | no real sense in me chasing crazy material deals on this kind of volume |
| 03:08.35 | ds2 | I need drawings or rough drawings to figure time |
| 03:08.48 | ds2 | well, is it for your own use or you are doing this for someone else? |
| 03:09.11 | ds2 | the bracket on the encoder appears to be the most complex |
| 03:09.15 | MonMotha | 2 are mine, 2 sets of 2 are getting sold (at cost) to a couple friends with identical needs |
| 03:09.25 | MonMotha | yeah, that encoder bracket is the most complicated piece |
| 03:09.41 | MonMotha | 3 bends, 6 holes |
| 03:09.51 | ds2 | 3 bends? |
| 03:10.06 | MonMotha | that's how I see it |
| 03:10.06 | ds2 | I count at least 4 unless the bottom part doesn't have a bend |
| 03:10.18 | ds2 | can't tell from the picture |
| 03:10.34 | ds2 | and is it 0.062 or thinner? |
| 03:11.04 | MonMotha | https://gigapet.monmotha.net/~monmotha/IMG_2970.JPG |
| 03:11.05 | MonMotha | another view |
| 03:11.07 | MonMotha | and it can be |
| 03:11.19 | MonMotha | I can't find my micrometer |
| 03:11.23 | ds2 | ah much much better |
| 03:11.29 | MonMotha | I guess it's thinner than a circuit board, which is 0.062" |
| 03:11.35 | ds2 | good |
| 03:11.55 | ds2 | can the spring attachment peice go all the way to the vertical bar? |
| 03:12.06 | ds2 | it will avoid noticing the stock |
| 03:12.17 | MonMotha | I don't see why not |
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| 06:48.18 | ds2 | splat |
| 06:48.20 | ds2 | crack |
| 06:49.09 | Mirell | ? |
| 06:52.19 | ds2 | *pop* |
| 06:55.08 | Mirell | *pat pat* |
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| 07:11.38 | ds2 | bah |
| 07:12.27 | Mirell | Yay, my Apple display adapters arrived |
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| 10:35.56 | g1powermac | anyone know of an easy to work with (ie, easy to solder) usb hub chip? |
| 10:45.22 | g1powermac | hmmm, TI makes a pretty nice one |
| 10:46.10 | Mirell | Hmm.. |
| 10:46.36 | g1powermac | http://focus.ti.com/docs/prod/folders/print/tusb2046b.html |
| 10:49.14 | g1powermac | loves TI for their sample program ;-) |
| 10:49.21 | Mirell | Hehe |
| 10:49.21 | g1powermac | TI and dallas. . . |
| 10:49.49 | g1powermac | its quite amazing how many chips I got from both companies. . .one day I will use them chips for something |
| 10:50.26 | g1powermac | they do come in handy though when making quick things. . . |
| 10:53.52 | g1powermac | wonders how hard soldering a qfn chip would be. . . |
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| 11:05.00 | g1powermac | heh, I'm on a real odd sleep schedule |
| 11:05.16 | g1powermac | I go to bed at like 9pm and wake up at 5:30am. . . |
| 11:05.26 | g1powermac | not usually normal for someone my age |
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| 11:15.34 | Mirell | I've been going to bed at 2PM and waking up at 10PM... |
| 11:15.38 | Mirell | Kind of annoying. |
| 11:18.23 | florian | heh |
| 11:19.02 | florian | ...wakign up at the best time to start hacking ;) |
| 11:21.35 | Mirell | True, true, I've gotten a lot of work done, but I need more sunlight otherwise I get depressed. |
| 11:27.11 | g1powermac | meh, I actually find early morning to be a better time to program |
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| 13:20.01 | mb`` | hi. I'm developing an embedded application that runs on a custom x86 sbc on a linux-based OS. how can i ensure my application can only be run on my device? I've thought about custom syscalls but these can easily be traced and replicated. I appreciate any help :) |
| 13:20.44 | Mirell | So you're wanting to do a DRM of sorts...? |
| 13:21.05 | mb`` | i just don't want my software pirated |
| 13:21.11 | Mirell | Mmm. |
| 13:22.07 | mb`` | like Tivo :) |
| 13:23.38 | mb`` | Any ideas? |
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| 16:43.03 | solar | wow that was fast. The beagle arrived already |
| 16:43.33 | Mirell | They're fast dogs. |
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| 17:26.43 | chouimat | bangs his head on the desk |
| 17:30.48 | g1powermac | watches as his beagle mix eats solar's beagle ;-) |
| 17:31.09 | g1powermac | and this here dog has a hampering for wires and electronics ;-) |
| 17:31.43 | g1powermac | (she ripped the electric wire out of an electric blanket yesterday and ripped the wire into pieces |
| 17:32.08 | solar | heh. |
| 17:32.39 | solar | speaking of. Who around is here using one? Got a kernel.config I can snag as a template. |
| 17:32.43 | g1powermac | she's one wild little 22lb dog ;-) |
| 17:33.16 | chouimat | wants the day to be over ... hearing a ARM processors presentations made by a sale guy who only have a fraction of his fact right is enough to make my BSmeter explode |
| 17:33.30 | g1powermac | heh |
| 17:34.02 | g1powermac | gives chouimat his grumpy old lhasa apso, she'll take care of that sales rep ;-) |
| 17:34.33 | chouimat | g1powermac: and he's our sales guy ... I don't want to know what kind of BS he gives our costumers |
| 17:35.20 | g1powermac | now who wants the mentally retarded lhasa or the dachshund mix that looks like a gigantic dachshund? ;-) |
| 17:35.37 | g1powermac | has four dogs :> |
| 17:36.10 | chouimat | g1powermac: I was checking his "fact" during his presentations ... and i didn't tell him but he was wrong about 80% of the time ... |
| 17:36.18 | g1powermac | fun |
| 17:37.15 | chouimat | not about the product but about the whole ARM licensee things ... |
| 17:37.43 | g1powermac | even more fun |
| 17:38.27 | chouimat | yup I have heard enought BS for the rest of the month |
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| 17:41.57 | g1powermac | questions his own code design. . .meh its good enough for now. . . |
| 17:46.23 | g1powermac | I have a really bad habit of going over the same piece of code about thirty times before I satisfied that its the most elegant and efficient piece of code |
| 17:46.37 | g1powermac | which sometimes is a real pain when I want to get something done in a timely manner |
| 17:47.01 | g1powermac | and this here gui design I'm working on is far from elegant code, its a mess atm |
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