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| 14:38.40 | solar | would be more impressed if g1powermac built his own.. http://www.marvell.com/products/cellular/index.jsp |
| 14:43.21 | g1powermac_PB | solar: heheh, you know, I got one of them gsm modules from sure-electronics a while back |
| 14:43.37 | g1powermac_PB | solar: I prolly could hack one together if I tried hard enough |
| 14:48.06 | solar | do it :) |
| 14:48.20 | g1powermac_PB | heh, i got other things to do atm ;-) |
| 14:48.33 | solar | being that OM announced it's going to have to move on to a plan.b |
| 14:48.45 | g1powermac_PB | actually, they clarified that today |
| 14:48.54 | solar | ya? where? |
| 14:48.59 | g1powermac_PB | on slashdot |
| 14:49.23 | g1powermac_PB | they're still keeping the freerunner phone, they just had to stop dev work on its replacement for the time being |
| 14:49.43 | g1powermac_PB | they're going to concentrate now on only the freerunner |
| 14:50.54 | g1powermac_PB | ponders how to accomplish the ability of checking for gui events yet still update the gui when needed |
| 14:51.06 | g1powermac_PB | if I keep polling to check for events, it spikes the cpu usage |
| 14:51.32 | g1powermac_PB | but if I sit use the wait function, then I can't update the gui while its waiting |
| 14:51.38 | g1powermac_PB | sit *and use |
| 14:52.58 | solar | welcome to threads ? |
| 14:53.02 | g1powermac_PB | only thing I can think of is to use threads, let the main program sit and wait for events while the threads update the gui when needed |
| 14:53.06 | g1powermac_PB | heh |
| 14:54.52 | g1powermac_PB | I also need to plan in the future complication of this program doing I/O stuff with the linux i2c driver |
| 14:55.23 | g1powermac_PB | has yet to do that kind of i/o stuff on linux |
| 14:56.18 | g1powermac_PB | I've played with the windows serial driver (ugh, what a pain) but yet done anything on the linux side yet |
| 14:59.04 | g1powermac_PB | I've haven't done much pc side programming for my embedded projects, minicom worked great for most of everything ;-) |
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| 15:03.49 | kergoth | morning |
| 15:03.53 | g1powermac_PB | hey kergoth |
| 15:04.17 | g1powermac_PB | were the person here that recommended me to get the gsm module from sure-electronics? |
| 15:04.29 | kergoth | nope |
| 15:04.33 | g1powermac_PB | hmm, k |
| 15:04.33 | kergoth | yawns |
| 15:04.40 | g1powermac_PB | wonder who it was |
| 15:05.06 | g1powermac_PB | just wondering if they did anything with the module they got |
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| 16:59.04 | T0mW | hmm, be careful of what you wish for. I wished that I had more work, well, I'm now learning Microsoft Visual C++ |
| 16:59.06 | T0mW | :-/ |
| 17:00.41 | fwk | are you learning to use the ide, c++, or both? |
| 17:00.51 | T0mW | both |
| 17:01.09 | T0mW | maintenance work on some older code |
| 17:01.33 | fwk | sounds fun :> wish I coded C++ for a living |
| 17:01.35 | T0mW | I'm expert in C, C++ I've largely ignored. |
| 17:20.28 | mnemoc | how can you be an expert while learning it? |
| 17:21.15 | mnemoc | ah, sorry... i missread |
| 17:22.26 | T0mW | heh |
| 17:22.41 | kergoth | heh |
| 17:22.41 | mnemoc | by far the best resource abotu C++ http://yosefk.com/c++fqa/ :) |
| 17:22.53 | T0mW | why shouldn't I be any different than most run-of-the-mill "programmers"? |
| 17:23.20 | T0mW | "Sure, I know that <read a book just last week>". |
| 17:23.29 | kergoth | chuckles |
| 17:23.51 | T0mW | I know Object Pascal, so OOP is not something new. |
| 17:24.41 | T0mW | I mostly do Linux oriented stuff and dev on it. This time around, it is WinXP and Microsoft Visual Studio. heh |
| 17:26.57 | T0mW | wow, nand flash has gotten so cheap! Kingston 4GB SDHC for less than $9. |
| 17:27.19 | mnemoc | is gaining skills in python for web in the case he looses he C/linux job and only C++ or java jobs are available |
| 17:27.45 | T0mW | mnemoc: python always bothered me with that indentation crap. |
| 17:28.07 | mnemoc | at least it's a consistent language, not like C++ or java craps |
| 17:28.08 | T0mW | if it weren't for that, I would take another look at python. |
| 17:28.14 | T0mW | agreed |
| 17:28.38 | T0mW | perl, now that is my type of language. Manipulate the heck out of something with perl. |
| 17:28.47 | T0mW | and regex. |
| 17:29.05 | mnemoc | :) |
| 17:29.21 | T0mW | I bought my house with regex. |
| 17:30.07 | T0mW | oh, reminds me, I have to yet contact old customers and give them my new contact info now that I've moved and all. |
| 17:30.18 | T0mW | duh |
| 17:30.38 | mnemoc | is still renting because refusing to do win32 or java |
| 17:49.17 | T0mW | mnemoc: a principled man |
| 17:50.37 | mnemoc | :) |
| 17:51.30 | mnemoc | some say "stupid", but I like "principled" more |
| 17:52.37 | T0mW | more politically correct. AFAIAC, "politically correct" simply means that you can claim that you were misunderstood in what you said. |
| 17:53.55 | mnemoc | :) |
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| 22:58.28 | g1powermac_PB | hmm, anyone know if the flyswatter can do i2c? |
| 22:58.57 | ds2 | probally if you have software to do it |
| 22:59.19 | g1powermac_PB | meh, ok |
| 22:59.30 | g1powermac_PB | rather not have to write up the software for it ;-) |
| 22:59.31 | ds2 | the fly swatter is really just a fancy parallel port |
| 23:00.27 | g1powermac_PB | I'd need it where the kernel's i2c subsystem thinks its a real i2c interface |
| 23:00.51 | g1powermac_PB | I don't feel like delving into doing something like that for something that will be temporary |
| 23:01.22 | ds2 | oh |
| 23:01.31 | ds2 | what kind of machine are you coming from? |
| 23:02.15 | g1powermac_PB | basically, I want to emulate the zipit2's i2c port on my standard linux machine so I can do my coding directly on it instead of having to do the testing on the zipit |
| 23:02.49 | ds2 | standard == x86 PC? |
| 23:02.56 | g1powermac_PB | yea |
| 23:03.06 | ds2 | is your machine old enough to have a stock parallel port? |
| 23:03.11 | ds2 | s/stock/on motherboard/ |
| 23:03.26 | g1powermac_PB | it does, yes, but its currently being used by three other devices ;-) |
| 23:03.34 | ds2 | Oh |
| 23:04.02 | g1powermac_PB | its bad enough that I have to not only switch it (only two port parallel switch) i have to move the cable around for other stuff |
| 23:04.13 | ds2 | add more parallel ports |
| 23:04.29 | ZeZu | hasn't used parallel port in 10years |
| 23:04.32 | ds2 | I guess I can sell one of my 3 parallel port ISA card |
| 23:04.38 | g1powermac_PB | some point i should, though not sure if I can |
| 23:04.46 | g1powermac_PB | this machine doesn't have ISA |
| 23:04.49 | ds2 | bought the a while back to drive stuff off the parallel port |
| 23:04.51 | ds2 | Oh |
| 23:05.15 | g1powermac_PB | and I custom built the case, so the form factor of the card has to be within the limits of how I built the case |
| 23:05.33 | ds2 | oh |
| 23:05.49 | g1powermac_PB | (it was freikin fun to get the video card in it. . .bad engineering on my part) |
| 23:07.39 | ds2 | what material is it made of? |
| 23:08.02 | g1powermac_PB | aluminum framework to allow the entire machine to slide into an ammocan |
| 23:08.24 | ds2 | cool; you have a machine shop? |
| 23:08.37 | g1powermac_PB | hehe, no |
| 23:08.53 | g1powermac_PB | this sucker was hand built with only very simplistic tools, not even a welder |
| 23:09.09 | ds2 | must have been a lot of work to get the aluminum to size and shape |
| 23:09.23 | g1powermac_PB | http://www.flickr.com/photos/77471288@N00/sets/72157604953462693/ |
| 23:10.09 | ds2 | didn't know there that big 7.62mm cans |
| 23:10.09 | g1powermac_PB | its all built out of off the shelf aluminum angle and flat stock |
| 23:10.40 | g1powermac_PB | yea |
| 23:10.53 | g1powermac_PB | got them from a flea market or something |
| 23:11.34 | ds2 | nice job |
| 23:11.38 | g1powermac_PB | thanks :-) |
| 23:11.50 | g1powermac_PB | but you can see where the clearance issues come in |
| 23:12.21 | ds2 | *nod* |
| 23:12.22 | g1powermac_PB | that video card literally touches the middle rail as its sitting in the slot |
| 23:12.30 | ds2 | I am rather tired of the beige boxes |
| 23:12.56 | g1powermac_PB | btw, this wasn't my first custom case job either |
| 23:13.25 | g1powermac_PB | I did a previous one that took two via epia boards and made a small cluster out of them :-) |
| 23:13.46 | ds2 | nice |
| 23:14.00 | g1powermac_PB | http://g1powermac.com/2004/10/31/cluster-work/ |
| 23:14.08 | ds2 | I should inquire if anyone wants to trade a Dual P II/III board for a VIA board |
| 23:14.30 | ds2 | got too many of those dual boards that I can't make use of |
| 23:14.40 | g1powermac_PB | oh wait, that's not even the completed shots |
| 23:14.51 | g1powermac_PB | dang, guess I never got to putting those up yet on the new blog |
| 23:15.19 | g1powermac_PB | I actually encased the entire thing in plexiglas and aluminum angle |
| 23:15.52 | ds2 | was it easy to work plexi for you? |
| 23:16.03 | g1powermac_PB | heck no, total PITA |
| 23:16.13 | g1powermac_PB | especially with the limited tools i had then |
| 23:16.27 | ds2 | well, it is a PITA with better tools |
| 23:16.34 | ds2 | so it isn't just me |
| 23:16.43 | ds2 | I am ready to spend the extra and get polycarb next time |
| 23:16.46 | g1powermac_PB | had to cut the 16 gauge steel plates with a freikin dremel using the cutoff wheels |
| 23:17.32 | ds2 | buy a shear! |
| 23:17.34 | g1powermac_PB | now, hehe, i can just slice that sucker in half with my metal cutoff saw ;-) |
| 23:17.42 | g1powermac_PB | or use my grinder |
| 23:17.48 | g1powermac_PB | then weld it all back together ;-) |
| 23:17.49 | ds2 | blah grinders and cutoffs are a mess |
| 23:18.02 | g1powermac_PB | not the cutoff saw I got |
| 23:18.03 | ds2 | sparks everywhere...abrasive dust all over :( |
| 23:18.11 | g1powermac_PB | well, thats true |
| 23:18.16 | g1powermac_PB | but thats the fun :-) |
| 23:18.47 | g1powermac_PB | the corner of my garage has turned a bit, ehm, black from the metal I've done ;-) |
| 23:19.07 | ds2 | that's why I like a shear |
| 23:19.29 | g1powermac_PB | yea, but shears only work with thin plate |
| 23:19.55 | ds2 | I know shears that work with 1/2" plate |
| 23:20.00 | ds2 | scary stuff but.... |
| 23:20.03 | g1powermac_PB | nothing beats my cutoff saw with some box iron :-) |
| 23:20.15 | g1powermac_PB | wow |
| 23:21.07 | g1powermac_PB | http://www.evolutionpowertools.co.uk/us/evolution_rage3.html |
| 23:21.11 | g1powermac_PB | thats my saw |
| 23:21.27 | g1powermac_PB | equipped with the full metal cutting blade |
| 23:21.49 | g1powermac_PB | loves that saw |
| 23:21.51 | ds2 | oh those; by cut off I thought you mean that saw with what looks like a giant dremel disk |
| 23:21.58 | g1powermac_PB | yea |
| 23:22.14 | ds2 | I been wanting a shear that can do 1/4" plate... the import folks have it for ~$100 |
| 23:22.16 | g1powermac_PB | techincally its still a cut off saw |
| 23:22.21 | g1powermac_PB | sort of |
| 23:22.38 | ds2 | I think some folks call it a cold cut off or something like that |
| 23:23.26 | g1powermac_PB | cause that company actually makes true cutoff saws with the toothed blades |
| 23:23.59 | g1powermac_PB | http://www.evolutionpowertools.co.uk/us/evolution_raptor.html |
| 23:24.23 | ds2 | how noisy is it? |
| 23:24.24 | g1powermac_PB | btw, thats the blade I'm using in my saw, albeit just smaller to fit it |
| 23:24.42 | g1powermac_PB | if cutting steel, you really need to wear ear protection |
| 23:24.44 | ds2 | the only power saw I've used with metal is a band saw |
| 23:25.02 | ds2 | Yow... not something for 0100 shop work in an urban area in a weekday :( |
| 23:25.31 | g1powermac_PB | definitely had ringing ears after I was done cutting some stuff in the beginning before getting some ear protection |
| 23:26.04 | g1powermac_PB | yea, 1am shopwork wouldn't be good with it |
| 23:26.27 | g1powermac_PB | but then again, neither is grinding |
| 23:27.15 | ds2 | grinding? the type I am familiar with is not very loud |
| 23:27.24 | ds2 | i.e. surface or pedestal grinders |
| 23:27.40 | g1powermac_PB | bah, get yourself a handgrinder :-) |
| 23:27.57 | ds2 | wouldn't know what to use it for |
| 23:28.36 | g1powermac_PB | generally use them for either cutting (think giant dremel cut off wheel) or smoothing cuts or welds |
| 23:28.55 | ds2 | I see... I don't weld yet |
| 23:29.01 | g1powermac_PB | stuff that a bench grinder can't really do |
| 23:29.12 | g1powermac_PB | ahh |
| 23:29.14 | ds2 | I just use a bench grinder to sharpen tools |
| 23:29.25 | ds2 | I currently only do the machinist stuff |
| 23:29.34 | g1powermac_PB | if you do decide to try welding, get a welder that supports inert gas |
| 23:29.50 | g1powermac_PB | ie, true MIG welder, not just one that does flux core |
| 23:30.05 | ds2 | well, i wanted to learn gas welding but everyone says that is not very useful except as precursor to TIG |
| 23:30.08 | g1powermac_PB | flux core absolutely sucks |
| 23:30.18 | ds2 | flux core means no gas refills though |
| 23:30.30 | g1powermac_PB | heck no, MIG welding is awesome |
| 23:30.37 | g1powermac_PB | can do plenty of stuff with it |
| 23:30.57 | g1powermac_PB | the problem with flux core is that one, it produces a wonderful plume of toxic smoke |
| 23:31.02 | g1powermac_PB | worse than soldering |
| 23:31.20 | g1powermac_PB | two, that plume of smoke makes it really tough to see the weld pool |
| 23:31.34 | g1powermac_PB | three, it just sucks on thinner materials |
| 23:31.45 | ds2 | no, not MIG, gas as in oxy-acetylene |
| 23:31.51 | g1powermac_PB | oh |
| 23:32.03 | g1powermac_PB | that welding |
| 23:32.16 | g1powermac_PB | myeah, don't know much about it |
| 23:32.28 | g1powermac_PB | only really knows MIG/flux core MIG |
| 23:32.45 | ds2 | for whatever reason, I am not that excited about learning MIG... I'd much rather learn TIG |
| 23:33.51 | g1powermac_PB | the only thing with TIG is that its really expensive |
| 23:33.59 | ds2 | but it handles aluminum |
| 23:34.12 | ds2 | HF sells a reasonable price TIG welder |
| 23:35.52 | g1powermac_PB | so can MIG with the right spool gun |
| 23:40.49 | g1powermac_PB | euh, bugger, not good |
| 23:41.00 | g1powermac_PB | pissed off his parents |
| 23:41.07 | MonMotha | so, somebody needs to tell the guys who at one point worked on one of my arcade games that 74LS != 74HC |
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| 23:41.42 | ds2 | 74LS and 74HC typically works |
| 23:41.57 | MonMotha | sometimes it does; sometimes it doesn't |
| 23:41.59 | ds2 | just make sure things aren't down near their respective thresholds ;) |
| 23:42.07 | MonMotha | in this case, it didn't |
| 23:42.08 | ds2 | I did say "typically" :D |
| 23:42.41 | ds2 | it is easy enough to swap in a 74HCT |
| 23:42.58 | MonMotha | I ended up swapping back in some 74HC and some 74HCT that I had laying around |
| 23:43.01 | MonMotha | it's "mostly" working now |
| 23:43.12 | MonMotha | the circuit is kinda a doozy to begin with. Giant monstrosity of gated clocks. |
| 23:43.26 | ds2 | what is causing the signal to drop to near the thresholds? |
| 23:43.32 | MonMotha | I have no idea |
| 23:43.42 | MonMotha | I didn't design this, and I don't even have a full schematic |
| 23:43.53 | MonMotha | and I can't imagine it's a speed issue |
| 23:44.22 | MonMotha | I wouldn't have designed it the way they did on this one. I probably would have done it the way they did on the next generation of these games. |
| 23:44.32 | ds2 | use a GAL? |
| 23:44.55 | MonMotha | everything's on a PLD where you have much better control of the timing, and the input signals are approximate sine waves that are run through a comparator with hysteresis |
| 23:45.05 | MonMotha | they used an XC9536, but same idea |
| 23:45.31 | MonMotha | this is the classic quadrature encoder driving an up/down counter thing |
| 23:45.34 | ds2 | PLD's are nice if anything just for the easy of simulation |
| 23:45.39 | MonMotha | yup |
| 23:45.47 | MonMotha | much easier to achieve timing closure |
| 23:46.05 | MonMotha | heck, with good tools, you can put all your timing requirements in as constraints and it'll tell you if it can't meet them |
| 23:46.11 | MonMotha | Xilinx ISE at least lets you do that |
| 23:46.18 | ds2 | I see. |
| 23:46.28 | ds2 | my last bout with them is with Palasm |
| 23:46.28 | MonMotha | still a good idea to simulate, of course |
| 23:46.42 | MonMotha | heh, you can use Verilog now :) |
| 23:46.58 | ds2 | I need a good excuse to learn either verilog or vhdl |
| 23:48.18 | MonMotha | eh, the basics aren't too complicated |
| 23:48.24 | MonMotha | which is really most of what I know |
| 23:48.31 | MonMotha | I don't do enough FPGA work to get into the fancy stuff |
| 23:49.00 | ds2 | but to really know it, one needs to write it, simulate it, synth. it and stuff in into a board |
| 23:49.20 | ds2 | and that takes time... I got Icarus dl'ed and ISE but no excuse to get a board yet |
| 23:49.26 | MonMotha | I see |
| 23:49.35 | MonMotha | you can do all but the last step without hardware |
| 23:49.43 | MonMotha | and you can get S3E dev boards for $50-100 |
| 23:50.27 | ds2 | w/o hardware, it is just another software language |
| 23:50.28 | ds2 | *nod* but one got to order it and have time to muck with it |
| 23:50.42 | MonMotha | well, yes |
| 23:51.03 | ds2 | wouldn't mind a contract with a small startup where they buy the boards and let me keep it but I do the work for them (with little other payment) |
| 23:52.08 | MonMotha | place I worked had a "professional development budget" |
| 23:52.28 | MonMotha | you could buy just about anything you wanted (up to a certain amount), and it was yours to use pretty much exclusively, though it remained property of the company |
| 23:52.36 | ds2 | thought those things dried up around 2000 |
| 23:52.53 | MonMotha | nope, we had one |
| 23:53.15 | MonMotha | I got a laptop out of it. So they now have a rather useless laptop since they laid me (and everybody else) off |
| 23:56.32 | ds2 | it is amazing how expensive new LCDs are :/ |