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| 01:14.30 | ds2 | wonder how well do old electrolytics work as nunchucks.... |
| 01:14.42 | g1powermac | heh |
| 01:15.03 | ds2 | esp. the ones with the screwed down terminals |
| 01:15.14 | ds2 | replace them with 2 eye bolts and.... |
| 02:02.42 | MonMotha | ds2: probably better than they work as capacitors |
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| 15:23.36 | g1powermac_PB | hmm, what would be the best way to pulse an array of 50 leds around 200 times a second? |
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| 15:27.26 | gustavoz | each led addressable independently? |
| 15:27.37 | g1powermac_PB | no |
| 15:27.53 | g1powermac_PB | just need to turn the whole array on and off 200 times a second |
| 15:28.04 | g1powermac_PB | or variable hertz |
| 15:28.04 | gustavoz | ti has some nifty led drivers |
| 15:28.35 | g1powermac_PB | yea, but I don't need that much control, I don't need a microcontroller for this |
| 15:28.49 | g1powermac_PB | I've played around with one of TI's driver chips |
| 15:29.11 | adyer1 | g1powermac_PB: depends, but old school would be a 555 driving a FET |
| 15:29.20 | gustavoz | you could use some high voltage driving with all leds in series |
| 15:29.38 | gustavoz | though if one dies your complete array will suffer |
| 15:29.52 | g1powermac_PB | adyer1: aha |
| 15:30.12 | g1powermac_PB | adyer1: I was definitely thinking of using a 555, but wasn't sure what to use as a switch |
| 15:30.20 | gustavoz | he could also use some tiny avr, will probably cost the same as a 555 and a a programmable angle to it |
| 15:30.24 | g1powermac_PB | gustavoz: everything is going to be run on 5v |
| 15:30.47 | g1powermac_PB | adyer1: how much current can go through a FET? |
| 15:30.55 | gustavoz | g1powermac: a lot, you can probably use fet arrays |
| 15:31.06 | g1powermac_PB | maximum power draw per LED is 100mA |
| 15:31.09 | gustavoz | or sot23 fets |
| 15:31.14 | adyer1 | g1powermac_PB depends, some are 100's of amps but you need a pre-drive for those |
| 15:31.23 | g1powermac_PB | so 100x50 equals 5amps or so |
| 15:31.41 | gustavoz | he means hundreds of amps each fet |
| 15:31.46 | g1powermac_PB | wow |
| 15:31.47 | g1powermac_PB | ok |
| 15:31.57 | gustavoz | you can probably handle that with a single fet too |
| 15:32.15 | g1powermac_PB | nice, any recommendations on a specific FET? |
| 15:32.30 | gustavoz | just pick a low-voltage one to make the internal resistance lower and lower the dissipation |
| 15:32.31 | g1powermac_PB | one that can easily be soldered to a protoboard would be nice :-) |
| 15:35.23 | gustavoz | irf3711? |
| 15:36.03 | gustavoz | a bit overkill though :P |
| 15:36.39 | g1powermac_PB | heh, just a bit |
| 15:36.49 | adyer1 | IRL530 is pretty common |
| 15:38.56 | g1powermac_PB | what about the IRF520? |
| 15:39.26 | gustavoz | good too, in order irf3711 > irl530 > irf520 (520 has the higher internal resistance) |
| 15:40.05 | g1powermac_PB | ahh |
| 15:40.49 | gustavoz | doesn't matter that much for the amount of power you want to handle though |
| 15:40.59 | g1powermac_PB | is there a difference between the irl530 and the irf530? |
| 15:41.39 | adyer1 | usually the L parts are 'logic level' cost a bit more but need less voltage on the gate to go into full on mode |
| 15:42.36 | g1powermac_PB | ahh |
| 15:43.04 | g1powermac_PB | seems jameco doesn't have an irl530 |
| 15:43.07 | g1powermac_PB | but they do have an irl520n |
| 15:44.28 | g1powermac_PB | what does the 'n' stand for? |
| 15:45.47 | adyer1 | IIRC it means n-channel (fet equivalent of npn vs. pnp) |
| 15:46.17 | g1powermac_PB | ahh |
| 15:47.52 | chouimat|work | morning |
| 15:48.16 | g1powermac_PB | ok, I'll just get the irl530 from digikey then |
| 15:48.24 | g1powermac_PB | morning chouimat|work |
| 15:49.02 | g1powermac_PB | now I just need to find a pot that can be mounted on a protoboard that can handle the 5amps |
| 15:49.22 | g1powermac_PB | any recommendations? :-) |
| 15:49.47 | adyer1 | 5a pot? do something different :-) Is this for brightness control? |
| 15:49.57 | g1powermac_PB | yea |
| 15:50.31 | g1powermac_PB | I can't change the pulses to do brightness control in this case |
| 15:50.40 | adyer1 | g1powermac_PB: most people do that with a PWM signal to the mosfet |
| 15:50.41 | g1powermac_PB | so I need some kind of resistance to do it |
| 15:51.01 | g1powermac_PB | hmm |
| 15:51.11 | gustavoz | attiny *hint* |
| 15:51.44 | g1powermac_PB | well, the thing is, I'd rather keep the pulses stable while I change the resistance |
| 15:52.24 | adyer1 | g1powermac_PB: again old school method is two 555's one a slow waveform another a variable fast one, gate them together. |
| 15:53.06 | g1powermac_PB | huh, interesting |
| 15:54.42 | g1powermac_PB | so one 555 would produce the 200 hertz pulse while another would do another higher frequency pulse that would control the brightness? |
| 15:54.52 | adyer1 | g1powermac_PB: at some point i'd start looking at something like a 9RS08 micro, they're only like 35 cents for the little ones |
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| 15:55.43 | g1powermac_PB | adyer1: cost isn't an issue, I just want to avoid a micro for this if I could :-) |
| 15:55.50 | adyer1 | g1powermac_PB: yes, you AND them together to get a series of fast pulse trains |
| 15:55.58 | g1powermac_PB | interesting |
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| 15:56.43 | g1powermac_PB | hmm, that actually works quite nicely now that I think about it |
| 15:56.51 | g1powermac_PB | thanks guys for the help :-) |
| 16:06.20 | g1powermac_PB | oh, one last question, do I need some kind of resistor for the led array so they don't blow? |
| 16:06.37 | g1powermac_PB | or will the pulsing mosfet take care of that problem? |
| 16:07.51 | adyer1 | yes, you need current limit resistors, value depends on the LED Vf |
| 16:09.40 | adyer1 | g1powermac_PB: with PWM if you can guarantee a certain duty cycle you can usually run at at higher power than the normal continuous rating. Look for a spec on 'pulse power' or something like that |
| 16:11.17 | g1powermac_PB | hmm |
| 16:11.32 | g1powermac_PB | Vf is 1.4v |
| 16:12.09 | adyer1 | g1powermac_PB: in any case 100 LEDs at 100mA blinking is going to be really annoying :-) |
| 16:12.37 | g1powermac_PB | with If at 100mA and Tp at 20 ms |
| 16:13.36 | g1powermac_PB | hehe, actually they're infrared LEDs :-) |
| 16:13.48 | g1powermac_PB | so you won't see the light anyway ;-) |
| 16:14.18 | g1powermac_PB | now there is a different Vf listed in the datasheet |
| 16:14.25 | adyer1 | g1powermac_PB: you know the cellphone cam trick with IR leds? |
| 16:14.59 | g1powermac_PB | Vf = 2.3v, If = 1A, Tp = 100us |
| 16:15.12 | g1powermac_PB | heh, you know, I completely forgot about that |
| 16:15.22 | g1powermac_PB | this is actually for something quite a bit different |
| 16:16.33 | g1powermac_PB | I'm attempting to build an infrared therapy module |
| 16:16.52 | g1powermac_PB | seems 890nm light is quite useful for some heat therapy things |
| 16:17.40 | adyer1 | lol. if you put a microcontroller on it you could make the world's most powerful tv-b-gone :-) |
| 16:18.22 | adyer1 | might be a tad conspicuous tho... |
| 16:19.11 | g1powermac_PB | hahah |
| 16:19.50 | g1powermac_PB | wonders how he could setup the voltage limiting resistors |
| 16:20.23 | g1powermac_PB | link each row of LEDs ground pins together and then stick a resistor from that to ground? |
| 16:21.16 | adyer1 | g1powermac_PB: if you put the leds 2 in series, then that's almost 5V, you could probably get away without them |
| 16:21.39 | g1powermac_PB | heh, I'd rather not find out I blew all my not so cheap leds ;-) |
| 16:23.12 | adyer1 | g1powermac_PB: it should be easy enough to rig up a test with only 2 |
| 16:23.44 | g1powermac_PB | hmm, guess i could |
| 16:24.32 | g1powermac_PB | well, anyway, I'll have to play with it |
| 16:24.42 | g1powermac_PB | thanks guys for the help :-) |
| 16:24.50 | g1powermac_PB | bbl |
| 16:25.29 | adyer1 | could always simulate it with ltspice (freebie windows prog) |
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| 16:50.54 | g1powermac | hah, I knew I had some and gate chips I sampled from TI like three years ago |
| 16:51.11 | g1powermac | had to dig through his giant sample stack |
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| 16:55.24 | g1powermac_PB | adyer1: if i were to go with resistors for power limiting, what would be the optimal ohm value? |
| 17:00.41 | g1powermac_PB | adyer1: I found some nice 5watt resistors I can use |
| 17:01.30 | g1powermac_PB | I'd just need 5 of them to handle the 25 watts produced |
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| 17:13.09 | g1powermac_PB | oh neat, I found a cool led/resistor calculator |
| 17:13.15 | g1powermac_PB | http://metku.net/index.html?path=mods/ledcalc/index_eng |
| 17:13.20 | adyer1 | g1powermac_PB: with 1.4V Vf, 5V supply, 100mA current, that's about 36 Ohms per diode. .36W per resistor. |
| 17:14.01 | g1powermac_PB | yea, just found that out |
| 17:14.38 | g1powermac_PB | though since I want to do it for ten leds in parallel, looks like a 4.7ohm resistor would be best |
| 17:16.29 | adyer1 | g1powermac_PB: sometimes it's better to use lots of small resistors to spread out the heat. Big ones will get quite hot and make hotspots. Need to try and keep your diodes cool. |
| 17:16.54 | g1powermac_PB | hmm |
| 17:17.09 | g1powermac_PB | sticking that many resistors on my protoboard won't be fun though |
| 17:17.29 | g1powermac_PB | and I'm not sure if I'd have the space for that many |
| 17:25.08 | adyer1 | g1powermac_PB: put the diodes in multiple series strings, cuts down on resistors and wasted power. |
| 17:30.05 | adyer1 | g1powermac_PB: heh, you could always do like the LED christmas lights and put like 30 in a string and run it from the AC. put in a triac and some zero-crossing stuff and switch that on and off :-) |
| 17:30.53 | g1powermac_PB | hah, heh, I made a vow to myself not to play with high voltage AC ;-) |
| 17:32.42 | workrat | man, 120v aint high voltage |
| 17:33.27 | gustavoz | i forget you're americans and don't risk your lives like we do with 220v |
| 17:33.41 | gustavoz | but then we get to use thiner wires |
| 17:33.48 | workrat | 220 isnt high either ;) |
| 17:33.55 | g1powermac_PB | high enough for someone who has an unexplained heart condition :-) |
| 17:33.57 | gustavoz | it's higher than 120 :) |
| 17:34.38 | g1powermac_PB | I have no clue how my heart would respond to a jolt across the chest of 120 or 220 AC |
| 17:34.53 | workrat | whats your heart condition |
| 17:35.34 | g1powermac_PB | strangely enough, its got something to do with my autonomic nervous system |
| 17:35.44 | gustavoz | it has a coffee-like effect, only better |
| 17:35.49 | g1powermac_PB | the cardiologist are a bit perplexed by it |
| 17:36.17 | g1powermac_PB | at times my heart rate slows down to dangerously low levels and then suddenly resumes normal rhythm |
| 17:36.36 | workrat | hm |
| 17:36.55 | workrat | i trust they checked your spinal and cerebral fluid pressures? |
| 17:37.08 | g1powermac_PB | no, they never did that |
| 17:37.13 | gustavoz | workrat: you make it sound like he's a car or something ;) |
| 17:37.26 | g1powermac_PB | I was on a 30 day heart monitor, twice |
| 17:37.39 | workrat | never any identifiable triggers? |
| 17:37.52 | g1powermac_PB | yup, no triggers |
| 17:38.06 | g1powermac_PB | I also get palpitations too |
| 17:38.57 | workrat | lovely |
| 17:39.30 | g1powermac_PB | the palpitations sent me to the hospital twice in about a years time |
| 17:39.40 | gustavoz | g1powermac: how's your coffee intake? |
| 17:39.52 | g1powermac_PB | this past round was fairly bad, was getting three or four a minute for a couple hours straight |
| 17:40.01 | g1powermac_PB | gustavoz: I take no caffeine |
| 17:40.12 | workrat | well, im not a doctor, but ive heard about elevated pressures in the spinal fluids affecting the behaviour of the autonomic nervous system |
| 17:40.44 | g1powermac_PB | interesting, not a single doctor brought that up |
| 17:42.42 | g1powermac_PB | they've also found a few odd levels in some blood work they did, mainly relating to certain hormone levels, though they've never been able to replicate the odd levels during retests (actually, they always find something else odd during a retest but the original problem was fine) |
| 17:43.38 | g1powermac_PB | and none of the odd levels was far from the normal range |
| 17:44.07 | workrat | ah |
| 17:44.17 | workrat | well there is always fluctuations in hormonal levels |
| 17:44.18 | g1powermac_PB | so they never thought much of it |
| 17:44.22 | g1powermac_PB | yea |
| 17:44.58 | g1powermac_PB | though what brought them to do the hormone testing was an unrelated ct scan of my head that showed I have an enlarged pituitary gland |
| 17:46.00 | workrat | interesting |
| 17:47.16 | g1powermac_PB | now just the other day after another round of bloodwork, they found I had dangerously low vitamin D levels |
| 17:47.47 | g1powermac_PB | and low vitamin D levels may possibly be a cause of all the symptoms |
| 17:48.07 | workrat | that just means you need to get outside more ;) |
| 17:48.10 | g1powermac_PB | but I have to wait and see while I take some large supplements and start enjoying the now finally nice weather |
| 17:48.40 | g1powermac_PB | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:48.48 | g1powermac_PB | so I didn't get much sun exposure |
| 17:48.54 | workrat | where you at? |
| 17:49.22 | g1powermac_PB | Kentucky |
| 17:50.41 | workrat | it cant have been worse than up here in michigan |
| 17:51.20 | g1powermac_PB | prolly not, but it was one of the worst winters in this area |
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| 17:58.17 | g1powermac_PB | heh, this should be interesting |
| 17:58.40 | g1powermac_PB | this one device that uses the infrared LEDs has a total output of 600mW per 60 LED array |
| 17:58.48 | g1powermac_PB | thats only 10mW per LED |
| 17:59.15 | g1powermac_PB | mine will prolly triple that per LED |
| 18:00.15 | workrat | what are you making an led array for? |
| 18:00.22 | g1powermac_PB | and if I'd let it go full blast, which I won't for power reasons, these LEDs could produce 50mW max |
| 18:00.41 | g1powermac_PB | workrat: infrared heat therapy |
| 18:00.58 | g1powermac_PB | http://www.anodynetherapy.com/Products.htm |
| 18:01.08 | g1powermac_PB | I had a chance to play with one of those |
| 18:01.27 | g1powermac_PB | they're quite interesting, but so incredibly simple I had to try to build one myself |
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| 18:01.42 | workrat | neato |
| 18:02.44 | g1powermac_PB | yea, so for like $150 worth of parts, I should be able to replicate it and would allow you to burn off your skin if you want ;-) |
| 18:03.27 | workrat | just what ive always wanted! |
| 18:03.49 | g1powermac_PB | the biggest expense is buying a high amp power supply |
| 18:04.09 | g1powermac_PB | 5v/10a supplies cost around $60 |
| 18:04.18 | gustavoz | use a pc psu |
| 18:05.10 | workrat | pc psus output +-12v and +3.3v |
| 18:05.13 | g1powermac_PB | yea, was thinking that, but meh, didn't feel like fooling around with one, plus I want to eventually make it clean looking when I rebuild the pads into a case |
| 18:05.28 | g1powermac_PB | workrat: yea, but thats where dc to dc converters come in |
| 18:05.29 | gustavoz | workrat: molex for hdd, cd and such output 12 & 5 |
| 18:05.51 | workrat | which wire is the 5v? |
| 18:06.04 | gustavoz | there's also +5v on the atx connector |
| 18:06.27 | gustavoz | red is +5v |
| 18:06.36 | workrat | oh |
| 18:07.08 | g1powermac_PB | anyway, the other expensive part is buying all the leds |
| 18:07.23 | g1powermac_PB | I'm getting 100 ir leds for around $40 at digikey |
| 18:08.02 | g1powermac_PB | I'll be able to make two 50 led arrays with them |
| 18:08.31 | g1powermac_PB | thats, of course, assuming I can fit 50 leds on my protoboards i have. . .that should be interesting |
| 18:09.26 | g1powermac_PB | anyway, bbl |
| 18:09.42 | adyer1 | g1powermac: http://www.ledshoppe.com/Product/led/LE1021.htm |
| 18:12.21 | workrat | lol |
| 18:12.29 | workrat | pricerape much? |
| 18:13.06 | gustavoz | it's a 100 pkg |
| 18:13.20 | gustavoz | nice price |
| 18:13.29 | workrat | ohhhh |
| 18:13.35 | workrat | ill just shut up now :p |
| 18:14.24 | adyer1 | digikey is always high, but they have stock on a ton of stuff and ship from the US. ledshoppe takes a few weeks to get stuff but usually has good prices |
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| 21:35.03 | flyback | still no prpplague :/ |
| 21:41.15 | Mirell | Indeed. |
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| 21:42.30 | flyback | i'm worried now |
| 21:42.33 | flyback | when was he last around |
| 21:42.43 | flyback | I think I know why he's not around, it's not cause of me |
| 21:43.09 | flyback | oh well :/ |
| 21:43.45 | flyback | no one here has ever played with jtag on a amd elan soc? or know of a good way with a simple program or some terminal program to loop back the wires from a wiggler jtag to confirm it's working properly? |
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