| 00:28.56 | MonMotha | joe_bleau: pong |
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| 02:49.31 | MonMotha | joe_bleau: feel free to PM me if you get back. I may not be immediately available, but I should be here within 10-15min if I'm not. |
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| 03:33.37 | joe_bleau | MonMotha: just trying to remember which PCB design package you liked so much. Someone asked me for a recommendations the other day. |
| 03:37.39 | ds2 | Altium designer I think is his preference |
| 03:45.51 | MonMotha | joe_bleau: it is indeed Altium Designer |
| 03:45.54 | MonMotha | price has come way down, too |
| 03:46.02 | MonMotha | only $4000 for the full blown package w/o a timebomb |
| 03:46.10 | MonMotha | includes 1 year maintenance w/ 2 guaranteed updates |
| 03:46.21 | MonMotha | I'm almost tempted to buy myself a copy |
| 03:46.28 | ds2 | what about 0 updates, 0 maintence? |
| 03:46.42 | MonMotha | you can't buy it without the 1 year maintenance, though you can buy it on a "licensed per year basis" |
| 03:46.50 | ds2 | Oh bah |
| 03:46.55 | MonMotha | their updates do tend to be pretty major |
| 03:47.15 | MonMotha | I would like the option to buy without, but you do at least get useful updates |
| 03:47.28 | ds2 | I'd trade both of those for 1 year of parts library creation on request |
| 03:47.55 | ds2 | the value with a lot of PCB packages is in the size of the libraries |
| 03:48.01 | MonMotha | well, they do update the parts libraries somewhat frequently (usually about 1-2 parts updates per major app update, so about 4-6 library updates/year) |
| 03:48.15 | MonMotha | it can also import OrCAD symbol/footprint libs, IIRC |
| 03:48.29 | ds2 | I want to be able to ask for a part and have it fully defined in a week |
| 03:48.34 | MonMotha | yes, that would be nice |
| 03:48.39 | MonMotha | though I don't know any major vendors that offer that |
| 03:48.49 | ds2 | much much more valueable then updates or maintence |
| 03:48.57 | MonMotha | symbol/footprint I can usually draw out in about half an hour. Tracking down all the models and attaching them can take longer, though |
| 03:49.27 | ds2 | Altium does 3D renderings, right? so it'd also need a 3D cad model to go with a part, right? |
| 03:49.47 | MonMotha | the 3d model is optional. You can do a simple extrusion based on height if you want. Works fine for ICs. |
| 03:50.14 | MonMotha | most connector vendors (which is the biggest deal for 3D stuff) do offer models these days |
| 03:50.23 | MonMotha | some will draw one upon request for you |
| 03:50.47 | ds2 | does it let you import from most major CAD formats? (i.e. IGES, STEP, etc)? |
| 03:51.05 | MonMotha | it'll do STEP (AP203 and the one that supports color) |
| 03:51.24 | ds2 | does it output board renderings in STEP or IGES ? |
| 03:51.28 | MonMotha | IGES import worked with the old (and vastly inferior) 3D stuff, but wasn't in the new stuff last I used it. Supposedly the latest update did add IGES support back in. |
| 03:51.33 | MonMotha | output is in STEP format |
| 03:51.49 | MonMotha | you can also import an enclosure and "put the board in the enclosure" |
| 03:52.03 | MonMotha | then you can actually use that enclosure to auto-snap components and flag collisions |
| 03:52.07 | MonMotha | it's actually pretty damned cool |
| 03:52.09 | ds2 | I much rather do the mechanicals in the mechanical cad package |
| 03:52.13 | MonMotha | oh, agreed |
| 03:52.22 | MonMotha | and they don't purport it to be a MCAD editor |
| 03:52.39 | MonMotha | but it does a very good job of taking care of pretty much all PCB level mechanical concerns |
| 03:53.06 | MonMotha | when they first brought out the 3D stuff, I thought it was something of a joke and silly |
| 03:53.12 | MonMotha | however, I actually found it rather useful |
| 03:53.17 | ds2 | now the hard question is - can it figure out the max. tolerance allowed AND still have things fit? |
| 03:53.36 | MonMotha | I don't remember if you could define tolerances |
| 03:53.38 | MonMotha | I don't think you could |
| 03:54.01 | ds2 | montecarlo simulation for mechanical would be nice |
| 03:54.05 | MonMotha | yes, it would |
| 03:54.10 | MonMotha | they MAY have added that |
| 03:54.19 | MonMotha | the version I last used is now at least one or possibly two versions behind |
| 03:54.29 | MonMotha | told you they update it frequently :) |
| 03:55.00 | MonMotha | as a package, it seems to blow the lid off the OrCAD/PADS combo everybody else uses and does so at like 1/4 the price or less |
| 03:55.28 | ds2 | but it is still more then eagle |
| 03:55.34 | MonMotha | heh, well yes |
| 03:55.39 | MonMotha | it also does a whole lot more |
| 03:55.54 | ds2 | *nod* |
| 03:55.54 | MonMotha | the package includes PSPICE and a schematic and PCB level signal integrity analyzer |
| 03:56.05 | MonMotha | I never got to use those (though I probably should have on one design) |
| 03:56.46 | MonMotha | if Eagle will do the job for you, there's not much reason not to use it |
| 03:57.06 | MonMotha | but for things where Eagle "just doesn't cut it", I think Designer is a pretty good option |
| 03:59.07 | MonMotha | Designer does also have some integrated FPGA stuff. I've never used it. It appears to mostly just be an interface to the vendor tools from Xilinx, Altera, etc., so it may work OK. |
| 03:59.20 | MonMotha | the schematic and layout editor are enough to justify it, in my opinion |
| 04:00.21 | ds2 | what irks me with eagle is it doesn't seem to have stockimporters for a lot of stuf |
| 04:01.01 | MonMotha | I used to try to find libraries for stuff, but I gave up and just starting doing my own library management. Inevitibly, the libraries I downloaded would be wrong, incomplete, etc. |
| 04:01.12 | MonMotha | wrong is really bad since you'll usually not catch it until prototype |
| 04:01.26 | MonMotha | I had a library I downloaded once where the pinout was wrong. Cost me a board rev. |
| 04:03.00 | ds2 | Yow |
| 04:03.40 | ds2 | Right now, I am irked enough that I prefer to do schematics on 8.5x11 and PCBs w/o a schematic linkage |
| 04:04.07 | MonMotha | ouch |
| 04:04.16 | MonMotha | I find schematic vs. layout to be invaluable |
| 04:04.37 | MonMotha | I can't imagine doing a design beyond a single simple schematic page without it |
| 04:05.47 | ds2 | everytime I start with a package, I wind up on a tangental task of creating parts |
| 04:06.19 | MonMotha | well, there are advantages to sticking with the same package in that regard |
| 04:06.27 | MonMotha | you build up your own library |
| 04:06.42 | MonMotha | the libraries that come with designer are reasonably complete, but they won't usually have many parts <1yr old |
| 04:07.05 | MonMotha | and of course almost no application-specific stuff or anything from somebody you haven't heard of until your sales rep tells you about them |
| 04:07.30 | ds2 | actually, the killer is connectors |
| 04:07.37 | MonMotha | oh, yeah... |
| 04:07.41 | MonMotha | those are frigging annoying |
| 04:07.50 | MonMotha | I got very good at drawing those out |
| 04:08.27 | MonMotha | you also tend to develop your favorite connector series for just that reason |
| 04:08.43 | MonMotha | designer does have pretty nice copy/paste w/ reference capablities, though |
| 04:08.54 | MonMotha | the "footprint wizard" can also handle some things |
| 04:09.38 | MonMotha | I would still like true templated footprints. It would be awesome to describe the footprint for a series of connectors mathematically then have it auto-generate, though that would be harder for the 3D models. |
| 04:10.52 | MonMotha | you do get phone support for your 1yr maintenance, too. I never called them, but I heard from many others that they're very responsive and aren't too prone to "RTFM" style responses |
| 04:10.58 | MonMotha | their help documents are also pretty good |
| 04:11.32 | ds2 | HMmmmm that would be a major shift from Protel days |
| 04:12.12 | MonMotha | well, DXP (the predecessor to Designer) was I think a complete re-write from Protel |
| 04:12.31 | MonMotha | and they appear to have used the opportunity to generate new documentation |
| 04:15.06 | MonMotha | I can't say I've heard much good about the old Protel products (never used them), but Designer is pretty sweet |
| 04:16.00 | ds2 | I have used Protel and bad memories stick around |
| 04:16.13 | ds2 | esp. ones involve it crashing in the middle of drawing stuff |
| 04:16.59 | MonMotha | heh |
| 04:17.32 | ds2 | the last one I was happy with was their DOS stuff |
| 04:17.34 | MonMotha | Designer did occasionally crash (usually during weird or complicated layout activities), but it handles it gracefully. You can often just keep working, and I always at least got the opportunity to save and restart. |
| 04:17.46 | MonMotha | crashed a whole lot less than OrCAD (capture or layout) did |
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| 05:54.23 | MonMotha | hum, while I'm thinking about it, anybody have any Panasonic/Matsushita CR-505/CR-506/CR-507 SCSI CD-ROM drives they want to part with? Need to resurrect an arcade game. |
| 05:54.38 | MonMotha | or heck, any SCSI CD-ROM drives at all |
| 05:55.11 | solar | says nope but wonders what you are building |
| 05:55.12 | ds2 | sure |
| 05:55.25 | ds2 | how many? what speed? caddle or no? |
| 05:55.27 | MonMotha | I'm resurrecting a Konami "Twinkle" system |
| 05:55.32 | ds2 | internal? external? ;) |
| 05:55.49 | MonMotha | I only need one working one. 4x is sufficient. Internal. 50-pin 0.1" style. SE SCSI. No caddie please. |
| 05:56.00 | ds2 | Okay |
| 05:56.12 | MonMotha | the CR-50x series are the most likely to work, but others are known to |
| 05:56.22 | ds2 | I should be able to dig one of those up; is a burner that doesn't burn but can read okay? |
| 05:56.33 | MonMotha | when I got it, it had a Toshiba in it that worked for a few months then died |
| 05:56.39 | MonMotha | I don't know. Maybe. |
| 05:56.44 | ds2 | CR.. those are sony? |
| 05:56.48 | MonMotha | Konami's systems are famous for being somewhat picky. |
| 05:56.54 | MonMotha | CR-50x is Panasonic/Matsushita |
| 05:56.56 | MonMotha | Apple used them |
| 05:57.04 | ds2 | doh... should have read |
| 05:57.18 | ds2 | the ones I have I think are plextors |
| 05:57.27 | MonMotha | I can't find any CR-505 (which is the actual drive it shipped with), but I can find CR-506 |
| 05:57.39 | ds2 | when do you need them? |
| 05:57.44 | MonMotha | I'm in no rush |
| 05:57.57 | MonMotha | just trying to avoid having to actually spend a ton of money on such a part |
| 05:57.58 | ds2 | 'k I should be able to find them this weekend |
| 05:58.16 | MonMotha | I found one on ebay for $24 shipped. I may be able to OBO them lower. |
| 05:58.41 | MonMotha | I've got tons of IDE/ATAPI drives, but no SCSI. |
| 05:59.00 | ds2 | I suspect USPS priority mail is the cheapest |
| 05:59.02 | MonMotha | Only SCSI drive I could dig up is an old burner, but the game won't talk to it. Does the same thing as my dead Toshiba drive (spins it up, acts like it's trying to read, then gives up) |
| 05:59.54 | MonMotha | I unfortunately don't have any other SCSI hosts readily available to confirm whether or not the drive actually works on |
| 06:00.12 | MonMotha | I guess I do have a U160 host in another machine, but I don't have the cable to hook it up |
| 06:00.30 | MonMotha | and I'm not sure if that host actually supports SE SCSI |
| 06:01.19 | ds2 | think the LV scsi hosts can support SE scsi |
| 06:02.26 | MonMotha | well, I'm still missing the required cable |
| 06:02.34 | MonMotha | since it has the new style connector |
| 06:04.00 | ds2 | 68pin D shape thingie? |
| 06:04.16 | MonMotha | yeah |
| 06:04.22 | MonMotha | I don't have any adapters handy |
| 06:04.42 | MonMotha | in fact, I don't know that I have any at all. My old SCSI2 host card (not handy) had both styles. |
| 06:05.27 | ds2 | also got SCSI adapters lying around too ;) |
| 06:06.05 | MonMotha | well, the game uses the old 50 pin connector |
| 06:06.11 | MonMotha | and I have a cable for that |
| 06:06.26 | MonMotha | I do need something that can read CD-Rs |
| 06:06.47 | ds2 | I mean something you can stick in a legacy PC to check it |
| 06:06.47 | MonMotha | I unfortunately don't have the original CD media for this game (though, somewhat oddly, I do have the original movies DVD) |
| 06:06.55 | MonMotha | I hear you |
| 06:07.08 | MonMotha | probably would be most effective if I just pick up my SCSI testbed system next time I'm at my parents' place |
| 06:07.14 | MonMotha | has a nice Adaptec SCSI host in it |
| 06:07.24 | MonMotha | oh, and a couple tape drives :) |
| 06:07.44 | ds2 | haha |
| 06:07.47 | ds2 | QIC's? |
| 06:07.55 | MonMotha | no, Travan, actually |
| 06:07.57 | MonMotha | so close |
| 06:08.07 | MonMotha | I do have an old floppy interface QIC drive, too |
| 06:08.10 | ds2 | didn't know they made those in SCSI |
| 06:08.24 | MonMotha | yeah, my TR-4 drive is SCSI. The TR-5 is ATAPI |
| 06:39.21 | MonMotha | ds2: question |
| 06:39.39 | MonMotha | ds2: you know those "egg-like" chair things they had in Men in Black? |
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| 06:40.57 | Mirell | Horrendously 60s, ill-sized, Will Smith makes silly comments about.. |
| 06:42.08 | MonMotha | pretty much |
| 06:42.16 | MonMotha | it was in the "testing room" |
| 06:42.25 | MonMotha | you know, with the loud coffee table |
| 06:50.43 | ds2 | think it was also in the original prisoner show |
| 06:51.04 | MonMotha | ds2: what would be involved in creating one of those? |
| 06:51.49 | ds2 | Hmmm just one or production? |
| 06:52.01 | MonMotha | ds2: very low volume |
| 06:52.35 | ds2 | probally a craftsman welding together sheetmetal? otherwise, another way is to spin it and cut the opening |
| 06:52.41 | MonMotha | ok |
| 06:52.44 | MonMotha | so not cheap |
| 06:52.55 | ds2 | I guess it can be stamped but that's higher volume... |
| 06:53.00 | MonMotha | yes |
| 06:53.07 | ds2 | yeah, I can't think of a cheap way of doing those things |
| 06:53.08 | MonMotha | I had an idea for a cabinet for an arcade game |
| 06:53.34 | ds2 | I suppose, you can cheat and use one of those wicker chairs as a shell and build up from there |
| 06:53.50 | ds2 | papa-san chairs I think is one name I heard |
| 06:55.17 | MonMotha | well, this would have to be durable |
| 06:55.48 | ds2 | well, what I had in mind is similar to construction techniques on old planes |
| 06:57.14 | ds2 | have you checked Ikea to see if they have something you can use? |
| 07:00.16 | MonMotha | I have not |
| 07:00.25 | MonMotha | the use of an off-the-shelf product had certainly crossed my mind |
| 07:00.49 | ds2 | Ikea has odd shapedthings every now and then |
| 07:01.05 | ds2 | and I think there is an Ikea in the general area of your new employer |
| 07:02.49 | MonMotha | indeed |
| 07:02.59 | MonMotha | not sure I can make the new employer work out, unfortunately |
| 07:03.11 | MonMotha | can't afford to sell my current house, which means I can't afford to live in Chicago |
| 07:03.22 | ds2 | Oh DOH |
| 07:03.23 | MonMotha | since I'd have to keep paying on my current house until such time as I can afford to reasonably sell it |
| 07:03.29 | MonMotha | so I'm basically stuck here |
| 07:03.55 | MonMotha | tough when I'm competing with crazy short sales |
| 07:03.56 | ds2 | wonder if there are prospects in cleveland or columbus? |
| 07:04.04 | MonMotha | maybe |
| 07:04.09 | MonMotha | I've been looking at Indianapolis, certainly |
| 07:05.15 | ds2 | what would be there? only reason I even mentioned cleveland is that it is a port city on the great lakes |
| 07:05.58 | MonMotha | Indy? There's some contract design shops |
| 07:06.04 | MonMotha | lots of software stuff |
| 07:06.19 | MonMotha | I may be able to swing a position at Raytheon here in town, but I need to "read up on Java" |
| 07:06.22 | ds2 | Oh didn't know that |
| 07:06.50 | ds2 | aren't they a defense shop that wants clearances? |
| 07:07.05 | MonMotha | for some jobs |
| 07:07.14 | MonMotha | I could potentially get said clearance. Just takes a whie. |
| 07:07.33 | ds2 | someone told me employers don't want to pay for getting a clearance and want current active ones |
| 07:07.50 | MonMotha | they'd generally prefer current active, but they'll get you one if you're the right person |
| 07:10.15 | ds2 | what about ann arbor working as a industrial expert for the MS/PhD students? |
| 07:18.09 | MonMotha | ds2: actually, I'd thought about going and getting a master's |
| 07:18.19 | MonMotha | local branch of Purdue/IU does offer them |
| 07:54.25 | ds2 | MonMotha: in what area? |
| 08:08.23 | methril|work | yo |
| 08:13.28 | MonMotha | ds2: here in Fort Wayne |
| 08:13.32 | MonMotha | like 10 minutes from my place |
| 08:13.34 | MonMotha | very convenient |
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| 23:03.21 | prpplague | ~seen CosmicPenguin |
| 23:03.23 | purl | cosmicpenguin <n=nobody@66-162-99-237.static.twtelecom.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #edev, 30d 6h 53m 13s ago, saying: 'especiallly 32'. |
| 23:03.35 | ds2 | time flys |
| 23:03.47 | prpplague | ds2: indeed |
| 23:03.55 | prpplague | wonders what cosmic is up to |
| 23:04.06 | prpplague | has been soooo busy |
| 23:04.18 | ds2 | Linux or CE stuff? |
| 23:05.26 | prpplague | ds2: mostly Linux atm |
| 23:05.35 | prpplague | ds2: CE stuff is on the horizon |
| 23:05.43 | ds2 | lucky |
| 23:05.44 | prpplague | ds2: that and looking for a job |
| 23:06.00 | prpplague | ds2: (as well as lobbying the owners of AML for management changes) |
| 23:06.25 | ds2 | does mgmtchange help keep the eng. dept intact? |
| 23:06.39 | prpplague | ds2: yea |
| 23:07.42 | ds2 | do they have a chance of doing that |
| 23:08.06 | ds2 | (changing mgmt) |
| 23:08.22 | prpplague | ds2: yea, i've been talking to them about a bunch of the issues |
| 23:08.36 | prpplague | ds2: it is still 50/50 if it happens |
| 23:09.01 | ds2 | so they have enough rrunning capital to even consider that? |
| 23:09.42 | prpplague | ds2: not sure i understand your question |
| 23:10.25 | ds2 | I assume to hire new mgt and try a diff strategy would require them to have sufficient $$ as there will likely be a pause in the revenue stream |
| 23:16.07 | prpplague | ds2: ahh, no, the owners would come back into the business for a period of time while things are revamped |
| 23:17.11 | prpplague | ds2: plus the owners are very very wealthy, the business is pretty profitable, the thing is the current president of the company is basically killing the company to make sure he gets his quarterly bonuses |
| 23:18.07 | prpplague | ds2: rather than get a slightly smaller bonus, he's doing everything he can to decrease costs in the company, i.e. laying off people, selling off inventory |
| 23:21.23 | ds2 | prpplague: oh I see... some of the weaker companies (with large debts) couldn't afford a mgmt change in this current environment |
| 23:32.22 | ds2 | o |
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