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| 14:18.36 | prpplague | ~seen CosmicPenguin |
| 14:18.38 | purl | cosmicpenguin <n=nobody@66-162-99-237.static.twtelecom.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #edev, 63d 22h 8m 28s ago, saying: 'especiallly 32'. |
| 14:18.52 | prpplague | ~seen landley |
| 14:18.52 | purl | landley <n=landley@cpe-70-116-30-223.austin.res.rr.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #edev, 37d 14h 32m 53s ago, saying: 'You're welcome.'. |
| 14:19.09 | Crofton|work | prpplague, what's up |
| 14:19.34 | prpplague | Crofton|work: hey bud, nada, just trying to get things together |
| 14:19.45 | prpplague | Crofton|work: alot going on right now |
| 14:19.54 | Crofton|work | hopefully good stuff |
| 14:20.04 | prpplague | Crofton|work: some good some bad |
| 14:20.31 | prpplague | Crofton|work: my father passed away last week after a long battle with a form of parkinsons |
| 14:20.43 | Crofton|work | sorry to hear that |
| 14:20.50 | Crofton|work | My aunt died from it also |
| 14:20.53 | Mirell | waves at prpplague |
| 14:21.05 | Crofton|work | she had lived with it for 30+ years |
| 14:21.07 | prpplague | Mirell: greetings |
| 14:21.23 | prpplague | Crofton|work: this was actually a form called Lewy Body Dementia |
| 14:21.34 | prpplague | Crofton|work: bad bad stuff |
| 14:22.13 | Crofton|work | yeah |
| 14:23.04 | Mirell | Heh, medical disorders...*just returned from the ER myself* |
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| 14:24.37 | prpplague | Mirell: fun fun |
| 14:24.57 | Mirell | prpplague: Indeed. Chest pain wasn't though. |
| 14:27.14 | prpplague | Mirell: stop smoking crack and the pain will go away |
| 14:29.15 | Mirell | ...but it's so tasty! |
| 14:30.33 | prpplague | Mirell: talked to landley lately? |
| 14:31.43 | Mirell | prpplague: Yep, but in person/phone, he's mostly been offline for god knows what reason. |
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| 14:32.14 | prpplague | Mirell: how is the business doing? |
| 14:33.03 | mnemoc | oh, wb prpplague! |
| 14:33.06 | Mirell | prpplague: Eh, Cisco is...Cisco. They're only paying me now, and landley is looking for other work currently... |
| 14:33.37 | prpplague | Mirell: ahh |
| 14:33.41 | prpplague | mnemoc: hey bud |
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| 14:35.27 | mnemoc | prpplague: I'm sorry to hear about your dad :( |
| 14:35.42 | prpplague | mnemoc: thanks it was a long time coming |
| 14:40.21 | mnemoc | prpplague: so still at your old job? |
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| 14:46.25 | prpplague | mnemoc: yea still same job for right now, there has been some management changes |
| 14:46.49 | mnemoc | prpplague: for good? |
| 14:47.01 | prpplague | mnemoc: we will see |
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| 15:17.33 | prpplague | Mirell: landley still pissed at OSDL ? |
| 15:19.53 | Mirell | prpplague: Probably. |
| 15:20.10 | Mirell | prpplague: I tend not to bring anything up with him that previously caused an endless rant. :D |
| 15:20.21 | prpplague | Mirell: hehe |
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| 15:31.32 | chouimat|work | prpplague: still alive? |
| 15:31.56 | kergoth | morning chouimat|work, prpplague, others |
| 15:33.01 | chouimat|work | hi kergoth |
| 15:43.49 | prpplague | chouimat|work: yep |
| 15:44.10 | prpplague | chouimat|work: just trying to pull things together |
| 15:44.32 | chouimat|work | fun |
| 15:44.43 | prpplague | hehe not really |
| 15:44.53 | kergoth | prpplague: any luck on the job front? |
| 15:45.10 | prpplague | kergoth: market is super tight here in the DFW area right now |
| 15:45.17 | kergoth | that sucks. |
| 15:45.31 | prpplague | kergoth: virtually no jobs and the ones that are available people are fighting over them |
| 15:45.40 | kergoth | maybe you should think about relocating. its a pain in the ass, but .. |
| 15:46.02 | prpplague | kergoth: yea, i'd like to, but there are the house and kids to worry about for that |
| 15:46.07 | kergoth | nods |
| 15:46.09 | chouimat|work | prpplague: how things at work |
| 15:46.31 | prpplague | chouimat|work: not bad, but not good either, just keeping to my office and minding my own business |
| 15:47.07 | chouimat|work | at least you have an office ... I had to say to the marketing drones when the ceo was with them to stfu |
| 15:47.09 | prpplague | chouimat|work: been doing alot of wince work |
| 15:47.24 | prpplague | hehe |
| 15:47.48 | prpplague | solar: ping |
| 15:48.16 | chouimat|work | prpplague: he wants to release a complete new product line ... and since I can have silence when I need to see if the board works ... it won't happens soon enough for him :) |
| 15:48.41 | prpplague | hehe |
| 15:49.51 | chouimat|work | and because they make way too much noise this morning I just bricked the latest prototype and even jtag can get it back to life ... |
| 15:50.44 | prpplague | chouimat|work: doh |
| 15:50.58 | prpplague | i hate it when that happens |
| 15:51.18 | chouimat|work | same here ... can't get jtag to talk with the board at all |
| 15:51.31 | kergoth | is pretty lucky, getting paid to work on OpenEmbedded |
| 15:52.36 | Mirell | I just want to get paid to sleep. I've ceased caring about what I actually work on for now.. |
| 15:52.39 | chouimat|work | kergoth: nice ... I'm currently paid to finish our internal port of redhat enterprise linux 5 on arm, powerpc and mips ... I hate sales drone ... I can't use anything else because it will break their sale speach |
| 15:53.02 | kergoth | ew |
| 15:53.09 | kergoth | :P |
| 15:54.03 | kergoth | prpplague: i can't recall, did you watch the mvl6 demo video? I'd be curious to get your opinion on usability, since you've had issues trying to make use of OpenEmbedded in the past |
| 15:54.29 | chouimat|work | kergoth: keep me busy ... and if some of the application level programmers annoy me too much I can hack it in a way that they stuff doesn't run at all ;) |
| 15:54.35 | kergoth | hehe |
| 15:55.11 | prpplague | kergoth: sorry no i haven't watched it, i've been totally burried with work+funeral stuff |
| 15:55.19 | kergoth | eep, funeral? :( |
| 15:55.28 | prpplague | kergoth: my father passed away last week |
| 15:55.32 | chouimat|work | ouch |
| 15:55.34 | kergoth | ugh, sorry to hear that, that sucks :( |
| 15:56.11 | prpplague | yea he'd been sick for a long time, they had expected him to go back in september of 2008, but he hung on |
| 15:57.00 | prpplague | kergoth: MVL6 has some fancy changes for usability? |
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| 16:00.16 | kergoth | prpplague: not a lot of *fancy* stuff, yet at least, but it does use graphical or console installers which install bitbake and its deps, and the external crosscompiler toolchain, and has a project setup script that downloads the collections (recipes, etc) from our content server and sets up the local.conf, emits a setup.sh, .. |
| 16:00.49 | kergoth | uses our mirrors for fetching everything, so no 404s. can pre-fetch sources and prebuilt binaries ahead of time, or on the fly |
| 16:01.37 | prpplague | kergoth: ahh dandy |
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| 16:02.16 | chouimat|work | MVL6? |
| 16:02.26 | kergoth | if you dont change the config, it will use pre-built stuff instead of building everything from source |
| 16:02.29 | kergoth | chouimat|work: yep |
| 16:02.33 | kergoth | chouimat|work: montavista Linux 6 |
| 16:03.10 | kergoth | chouimat|work: http://bec-systems.com/site/425/montavista-linux-6-is-based-on-openembedded-technologies |
| 16:03.10 | chouimat|work | damn ... 15$ of shipping |
| 16:03.21 | kergoth | shipping is such a ripoff |
| 16:03.46 | chouimat|work | kergoth: preordered the 3 CD version of the upcomming dream theater ... |
| 16:03.52 | kergoth | ooh |
| 16:03.54 | kergoth | nice |
| 16:04.15 | chouimat|work | 24$ for the album ... 15$ for the shipping ... damn you ups |
| 16:04.59 | chouimat|work | kergoth: nice |
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| 16:13.57 | prpplague | kergoth: interesting |
| 16:14.27 | prpplague | kergoth: my main complant about OE is that it makes it very difficult to do initial bringup of boards |
| 16:15.28 | kergoth | you could probably just make a minimal collection of recipes with just busybox and stuff for that |
| 16:15.34 | kergoth | if you wanted to try to leverage it for that purpose |
| 16:15.42 | kergoth | it would then speed up the builds due to the limited number of recipes to parse |
| 16:16.09 | kergoth | i have a .inc that makes it easy to create custom collections, it copies the recipes, .incs, file:// files, etc into the output dir of your choice for each recipe it runs its task against |
| 16:16.28 | kergoth | something to think about, anyway |
| 16:16.43 | kergoth | but we have a long way to go to improve matters for the active developer user case in general |
| 16:20.20 | prpplague | ahh interesting |
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| 16:26.16 | kergoth | you can also make a recipe that is able to reside in a source tree of a project, and build it in there |
| 16:26.19 | kergoth | I've experimented with it a bit |
| 16:30.12 | prpplague | kergoth: i'm still learning my way around OE |
| 16:30.29 | prpplague | kergoth: i'm still a much bigger fan of buildroot as it makes my job much easier |
| 16:31.09 | kergoth | as it stands today, OpenEmbedded is just weak for certain use cases. yours is one |
| 16:34.10 | prpplague | kergoth: yea, its great if you want to use standard packages untouched and build lots of userland stuff |
| 16:34.47 | prpplague | kergoth: i have a tool-box of about 20 small c apps that i use for board bringups |
| 16:35.20 | prpplague | kergoth: all of which i have in buildroot, which i can do a full build in about 10 on |
| 16:35.34 | kergoth | nods |
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| 18:37.27 | prpplague | anyone doing android dev? |
| 18:38.27 | roxfan | i played with the emulator a bit |
| 18:38.36 | solar | not a fan of java |
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| 18:49.30 | chouimat|work | probably a stupid question ... I need to get a new uboot image but since I don't want to brick the board is there a way to upload it, run it without burning it or using jtag? |
| 18:50.28 | prpplague | chouimat|work: yea you should be able to upload the uboot image to sdram and execute it there |
| 18:50.33 | prpplague | chouimat|work: i do that with Apex often |
| 18:51.11 | chouimat|work | prpplague: how ... it's why I'm asking |
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| 18:51.46 | prpplague | chouimat|work: that will be depending on your system, the uboot should be copied from flash to sdram at some point during the boot process |
| 18:51.59 | chouimat|work | prpplague: ok |
| 18:52.25 | prpplague | chouimat|work: if you can find the address it is copied to in sdram, you can use jtag to do the same thing |
| 18:52.52 | prpplague | chouimat|work: for instance, on the hammer, apex is copied to 0x30200000 |
| 18:53.04 | chouimat|work | ok thanks I will try something |
| 19:08.15 | mnemoc | prpplague: moved from wince to android? |
| 19:09.00 | prpplague | mnemoc: no, there have been a few inquires about running android on the 8050 |
| 19:09.19 | g1powermac | hey prpplague |
| 19:09.25 | prpplague | g1powermac: hey |
| 19:09.32 | g1powermac | how's it going? |
| 19:09.51 | prpplague | its going |
| 19:09.51 | mnemoc | prpplague: nice |
| 19:11.08 | g1powermac | prpplague, cool |
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| 21:28.06 | Mirell | Hmm... |
| 21:31.50 | ds2 | fills a water gun with rosin flux and sprays it all over the room |
| 21:46.41 | Mirell | Heh |
| 21:52.29 | g1powermac | fires the propane torch and gets some copper pipe. . . |
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| 21:58.42 | ds2 | EPC? |
| 22:03.36 | g1powermac_EPC | yup, got an Eee PC :-) |
| 22:04.38 | ds2 | which one? |
| 22:05.16 | g1powermac_EPC | the 900ha |
| 22:06.35 | g1powermac_EPC | I like it fairly well, if only eeebuntu would work a bit better |
| 22:07.03 | g1powermac_EPC | some of the drivers are a bit flakey yet |
| 22:10.39 | ds2 | how's the mouse buttons? |
| 22:12.39 | g1powermac_EPC | well, since this is really the first pc laptop I've owned and used in many years. . .can't say the buttons are anywhere near the easiness to press compared with my powerbook |
| 22:13.07 | ds2 | Interesting that you would say that |
| 22:13.18 | ds2 | did you get to try the 1000 series ? |
| 22:13.24 | g1powermac_EPC | nope |
| 22:13.32 | ds2 | oh |
| 22:13.49 | ds2 | I have the 900A from best buy and the mouse buttons are driving me nuts |
| 22:13.52 | g1powermac_EPC | I do use the tap the trackpad feature mostly |
| 22:14.19 | ds2 | that doesn't work as reliably as on other laptops |
| 22:14.25 | g1powermac_EPC | yea |
| 22:14.28 | ds2 | did you getit with Linux or Windows? |
| 22:14.39 | g1powermac_EPC | the trackpad is a bit annoying |
| 22:15.08 | g1powermac_EPC | got it with windows mainly because its meant to run proprietary software for our store, but I dual booted it with eeebuntu |
| 22:15.20 | ds2 | Hmmm |
| 22:15.26 | g1powermac_EPC | and thats what I'm mainly using |
| 22:17.00 | g1powermac_EPC | plus, I couldn't get the linux running version off amazon with free shipping ;-) |
| 22:19.27 | ds2 | oh haha |
| 22:19.54 | g1powermac_EPC | I'm still waiting for an apple tablet/netbook. . .if that ever comes, I'm pouncing on it |
| 22:21.07 | ds2 | didn't they get OSXworking on the Eee? |
| 22:21.14 | g1powermac_EPC | don't get me wrong, linux UIs have come a long way, but nothing beats Mac OS X UI userability |
| 22:21.39 | g1powermac_EPC | might have, but I don't feel like playing with a hacked OSX |
| 22:22.28 | g1powermac_EPC | most of the time drivers really don't work |
| 22:25.24 | ds2 | oh |
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