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| 00:50.48 | solar | Anybody recall that site that sold raw gas sensors? It was named something like furlec |
| 00:53.24 | g1powermac_EPC | futurlec |
| 00:54.01 | solar | http://www.rosiedaniel.com/2007/04/gas-sensors.html <-- maybe something like what I'm looking for. |
| 00:54.13 | solar | cat leaves some mean gifts while I'm gone |
| 00:55.01 | g1powermac_EPC | heh |
| 00:55.16 | g1powermac_EPC | can't be anywhere near as bad as what my five dogs leave me. . . |
| 00:55.19 | g1powermac_EPC | ;-) |
| 00:58.38 | solar | cat atleast does what it does in a box. Not sure how to tackle this. Maybe I need a trapdoor or something to get rid of the bulk. Or a simple servo to dump some baking soda to neutralize the ammonia |
| 00:59.44 | g1powermac_EPC | that is the nice thing about cats. . .though I at least I kinda gotten my dogs going on some training pads |
| 01:00.26 | g1powermac_EPC | well, except for the 16 year old one, who's losing her mind |
| 01:00.54 | solar | yeah older dogs kinda loose the skill/muscles to hold it in |
| 01:01.00 | g1powermac_EPC | yea |
| 01:01.28 | solar | I'm a dog person, but this cat opted to move in on me. |
| 01:01.54 | g1powermac_EPC | she's also had surgery in the past that makes things more difficult for her to keep her continence |
| 01:02.39 | g1powermac_EPC | actually, that dog has had more surgery than the average american. . . |
| 01:03.51 | ds2 | they have liter boxes that self scope |
| 01:04.37 | g1powermac_EPC | we call her the million dollar dog. . .and have the vet bills to prove it |
| 01:06.14 | solar | ds2: I need a new project to keep me busy however. |
| 01:07.09 | ds2 | oh heh |
| 01:07.18 | solar | I'd like to have a garden, but 3rd floor condo life and gardens don't mix so well |
| 01:08.45 | ds2 | hydroponic |
| 01:09.12 | ds2 | you want veggies or just random plants? |
| 01:10.12 | solar | veggies and herbs, (wish I had a fruit tree such as apples) |
| 01:10.17 | g1powermac_EPC | ever see that hydrogarden thing? |
| 01:10.27 | solar | yeah I have |
| 01:10.32 | solar | it's downright stupid :) |
| 01:11.00 | solar | naa. I'm sure it has it's place. But it's a resource loss |
| 01:11.05 | g1powermac_EPC | yea |
| 01:11.16 | g1powermac_EPC | we got one a while ago when it first came out |
| 01:11.29 | g1powermac_EPC | haven't really used it after the first batch |
| 01:12.17 | ds2 | you can probally do an apple in the balcony |
| 01:12.25 | ds2 | look for columnar apples |
| 01:12.31 | g1powermac_EPC | yea |
| 01:12.33 | ds2 | Citrus should also work in containers |
| 01:12.37 | g1powermac_EPC | mini-dwarfs are awesome |
| 01:12.39 | solar | my entire balcony is covered in solar panels :) |
| 01:12.45 | g1powermac_EPC | I got a couple of them growing in containers now |
| 01:12.50 | ds2 | Oh |
| 01:12.56 | ds2 | you need to move ;) |
| 01:13.01 | solar | I think so |
| 01:13.01 | g1powermac_EPC | expect to wait about three years before you get fruit though |
| 01:13.15 | ds2 | 3 years?! I get fruits after the 2nd year |
| 01:13.23 | ds2 | Oh figs also work in containers |
| 01:13.25 | g1powermac_EPC | I got a few apples right now and its the second year |
| 01:13.52 | solar | how are they? |
| 01:13.55 | g1powermac_EPC | ds2, yea, you'll get some the second year, but it is recommended to pull the fruit the second year and wait till the third |
| 01:14.06 | solar | I hear most really take 3-5 to mature to taste |
| 01:14.10 | ds2 | g1powermac_EPC: even in a container? |
| 01:14.17 | g1powermac_EPC | yea |
| 01:14.21 | ds2 | the tangerines tastes great the 2nd year |
| 01:14.29 | ds2 | sweeter then store bought |
| 01:14.34 | g1powermac_EPC | I want to grow some citrus |
| 01:14.53 | g1powermac_EPC | I'm now growing a batch of stuff in containers |
| 01:14.54 | ds2 | TN might not be the right climate for citrus though |
| 01:15.04 | solar | http://www.treesofantiquity.com/ (nice place for trees) |
| 01:15.08 | g1powermac_EPC | yea, you'll have to grow them in pots |
| 01:15.15 | g1powermac_EPC | and pull them inside during the winter |
| 01:15.53 | ds2 | nice... they are merely 4-5 hour drive down 101 |
| 01:15.58 | g1powermac_EPC | but right now I got apples, mulberries, almonds, blueberries, raspberries, blackberries, grapes, goji berries, and a few other things in pots |
| 01:16.15 | ds2 | how's the mulberries? |
| 01:16.18 | solar | do you make wine? |
| 01:16.33 | g1powermac_EPC | waiting for them to mature, I got them this spring :-) |
| 01:16.47 | g1powermac_EPC | I got a couple growing on the one tree |
| 01:17.04 | g1powermac_EPC | solar, I haven't made wine, yet |
| 01:17.40 | g1powermac_EPC | my ultimate goal when we move into our house we're buying is to make an edible forest garden |
| 01:17.40 | solar | I want a few apple trees for making hard ciders |
| 01:17.58 | g1powermac_EPC | an entire forest filled with edible plants |
| 01:18.23 | ds2 | solar: you got a cider press? |
| 01:18.25 | solar | how many acres do you have |
| 01:18.43 | g1powermac_EPC | will have 1.4 acres |
| 01:19.11 | solar | ds2: nope. But I've been thinking of getting the weston 05-0101 |
| 01:19.46 | g1powermac_EPC | I'd love to get a cider press once I get some decent apple production |
| 01:19.49 | ds2 | I'd settle for just 0.4 acres :( |
| 01:19.57 | solar | if I had the space. I'd probably get 5 x 60 gallon oak barrels also |
| 01:20.19 | g1powermac_EPC | hmm, oak barrels |
| 01:20.39 | ds2 | whoa...that's a lot of space |
| 01:20.40 | solar | ds2: http://www.landsofamerica.com/america/ (I'm always keeping an eye out here) |
| 01:20.40 | g1powermac_EPC | could prolly get them pretty easily out here, surrounded by distilleries |
| 01:21.04 | ds2 | solar: is that the combine gov't agency auction site? |
| 01:21.19 | solar | no that one is bid4assets.com or so |
| 01:21.34 | ds2 | ah |
| 01:21.59 | g1powermac_EPC | hmmm |
| 01:22.01 | solar | which I see deals on. But auctions can kick you in the rear if you don't know about the local zoning |
| 01:22.50 | solar | you can find 40+ acres sometimes for under ~10k |
| 01:23.11 | solar | lots more if one is willing to live in texas |
| 01:23.14 | g1powermac_EPC | hmm |
| 01:23.15 | ds2 | I want a site that lets me search listings given a set of restrictions |
| 01:23.32 | solar | yeah. likewise. |
| 01:24.15 | g1powermac_EPC | hmm, land is just not very cheap around here. . . |
| 01:24.35 | g1powermac_EPC | can never find mid acreage lots |
| 01:24.55 | g1powermac_EPC | either its small acreage or insanely huge |
| 01:25.17 | ds2 | I'd settle for a realator that can do the same |
| 01:25.42 | solar | g1powermac_EPC: in TN ? |
| 01:25.47 | g1powermac_EPC | no, Kentucky |
| 01:25.50 | ds2 | water rights is a high want |
| 01:26.48 | g1powermac_EPC | the big thing here is the horse farms that use lots of land |
| 01:26.49 | ds2 | ideally a moderate stream flowing through the property or a waterfall |
| 01:26.51 | solar | 1.3 acres for $8500 in columbia |
| 01:27.01 | ds2 | BC? |
| 01:27.08 | g1powermac_EPC | mmm, I wish I could get land with moving water |
| 01:27.11 | solar | KY (not jelly) |
| 01:27.17 | g1powermac_EPC | though not in this state. . . |
| 01:27.25 | g1powermac_EPC | you know why? |
| 01:27.39 | solar | nope. Just doing a quick search |
| 01:27.44 | ds2 | KY is cold enough that some fruit trees don'tdo well |
| 01:28.08 | g1powermac_EPC | cause you still aren't required to have a septic tank if your sewer line already dumps into the local creek. . . |
| 01:28.15 | solar | 50 in West Liberty, KY for 39k |
| 01:28.31 | ds2 | solar: are those outright sales or foreclosure sales? |
| 01:28.43 | g1powermac_EPC | and yes, our realtor we work with has seen toilet paper float by. . . |
| 01:28.52 | solar | outright sales usually. |
| 01:29.01 | ds2 | i.e. does one need to have a shot gun to go take possession |
| 01:29.13 | solar | ds2: landsof${state} is one of the best sites I've ever seen for searching for land |
| 01:29.48 | g1powermac_EPC | so if you got a creek, you have no clue what really could be floating by in the creek |
| 01:29.53 | solar | they don't always have the countys I want to be in it. But everytime I find a site having land in the places I want to be. It's way way out of reach |
| 01:30.15 | solar | http://www.landsofamerica.com/america/index.cfm?Detail=&INV_ID=115653 (KY land) |
| 01:30.35 | solar | personaly the south is not where I would want to settle long term |
| 01:30.44 | g1powermac_EPC | yea, me neither |
| 01:30.53 | solar | I lived in Savannah GA for 4 years. I got my fill |
| 01:31.06 | g1powermac_EPC | I want to eventually go to the northeast, maybe NH or Maine |
| 01:31.19 | solar | vermont I hear is super cool |
| 01:31.29 | g1powermac_EPC | yea |
| 01:31.38 | g1powermac_EPC | the whole are is beautiful |
| 01:31.40 | g1powermac_EPC | *area |
| 01:32.04 | solar | which I think is around the 45th N parallel |
| 01:32.31 | g1powermac_EPC | don't get me wrong, this state is really nice as well, just only when you minus the population ;-) |
| 01:32.56 | solar | yeah the "land is nice" :) |
| 01:33.19 | g1powermac_EPC | heheh, yup |
| 01:33.53 | solar | ever spent much time in the pac northwest g1powermac? |
| 01:34.22 | g1powermac_EPC | nope, haven't really left the northeast/mid-west area |
| 01:34.56 | g1powermac_EPC | farthest west I've been has been indiana |
| 01:35.18 | solar | I really like the people in the pac northwest area. I've found many have spent time on critical thinking |
| 01:35.32 | g1powermac_EPC | ahh |
| 01:35.35 | g1powermac_EPC | thats nice |
| 01:35.56 | g1powermac_EPC | critical thinking levels are minimal here |
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| 01:36.36 | solar | vs lets see if we can hit the pedistran with the budweiser? |
| 01:36.57 | g1powermac_EPC | budweiser? heh, how about a tractor instead? ;-) |
| 01:36.58 | solar | jokes and knows it's not always like that. |
| 01:38.26 | g1powermac_EPC | though, I gotta say, the inbreeding stereotype is not really a stereotype. . . |
| 01:38.46 | g1powermac_EPC | from the stories we've heard from our customers and employees, its pretty scary |
| 01:39.01 | solar | ds2: if you are looking for land in CA on the cheap. http://tinyurl.com/rasf93 |
| 01:41.01 | Mirell | just wants somewhere not as hot, but doesn't want cold... |
| 01:41.40 | g1powermac_EPC | Mirell, get as close to a coast as possible |
| 01:41.57 | solar | somebody buy the land and start "camp evil good plan" |
| 01:42.07 | g1powermac_EPC | heh |
| 01:42.08 | Mirell | Yah, I love the weather in Orange County, California, which I've been to several times, |
| 01:42.20 | Mirell | But *hate* Orange County in terms of cost/feel. |
| 01:42.21 | solar | I see land down near LA for no so bad. |
| 01:42.38 | solar | LA county. No idea how big that is. |
| 01:45.04 | ds2 | solar: Nice.... now if they would only list the local rules any CC&R's |
| 01:45.16 | ds2 | land down near LA tend to lack water |
| 01:46.06 | solar | most of the lands on that site lack water from what I've seen. |
| 01:46.33 | ds2 | except that land is in the desert |
| 01:46.34 | solar | or atleast within my search criteria. |
| 01:46.45 | ds2 | the stuff up north looks wooded so at least there is rain/snow |
| 01:46.58 | solar | and drilling wells from my research can run between 3-10k |
| 01:47.15 | ds2 | wonder how deep does one need to dig for water |
| 01:47.35 | ds2 | at one point, they did dig them by hand |
| 01:47.49 | g1powermac_EPC | how deep is the water table out there? |
| 01:48.05 | solar | in our area? |
| 01:48.15 | solar | there is no land to be had in the bay area |
| 01:48.29 | g1powermac_EPC | cause you can get this: http://www.deeprock.com/ |
| 01:48.57 | g1powermac_EPC | I've been eyeing that, since the water table here is so incredibly high |
| 01:49.01 | ds2 | there is |
| 01:49.06 | solar | buying one? |
| 01:49.08 | ds2 | down in Santa Cruz County |
| 01:49.17 | solar | : |
| 01:49.26 | g1powermac_EPC | http://www.deeprock.tv/HD/index.html |
| 01:49.41 | g1powermac_EPC | the do it yourself drill, not the pro one :-) |
| 01:50.37 | g1powermac_EPC | they're pretty close in price to getting a well drilled, but then you can drill multiple wells |
| 01:50.49 | solar | indeed. |
| 01:50.59 | solar | but that thing does not look to go very deep |
| 01:51.17 | solar | I'd think you would want something that can atleast go 20 feet down |
| 01:51.24 | g1powermac_EPC | of course, here in this state, you can just put a mound in a valley and you'll get a pond sooner or later |
| 01:52.00 | g1powermac_EPC | I think that drill goes like 100 ft or so |
| 01:52.13 | g1powermac_EPC | you drill in segments |
| 01:52.34 | solar | it must work in someway I'm not seeing |
| 01:53.10 | solar | it's hole looks to be nowhere near the size of it's base. And it's height looks no more than 7-8 feet |
| 01:53.15 | g1powermac_EPC | you drill down a part, disconnect the motor, attach a new segment, and then reattach the motor |
| 01:53.35 | g1powermac_EPC | like how oil drills work |
| 01:53.46 | solar | seems logical then to own it |
| 01:54.05 | g1powermac_EPC | yea |
| 01:54.10 | solar | or "make it" |
| 01:54.19 | g1powermac_EPC | especially in areas with high water tables |
| 01:54.40 | g1powermac_EPC | in areas with hard rock or deep water tables, better off calling the pros |
| 01:55.28 | solar | thing with lots of those lands is they are so remote that your only hope of internet might be via a cellular network |
| 01:55.42 | ds2 | cellular? try sat |
| 01:55.51 | g1powermac_EPC | yea |
| 01:55.54 | g1powermac_EPC | no cellular |
| 01:55.56 | solar | probablu ;/ |
| 01:56.09 | g1powermac_EPC | heck, can barely get cellular where I am now |
| 01:56.29 | g1powermac_EPC | and I'm near quite a few of the large cities in this state |
| 01:56.58 | solar | thank goodness I did wireless backhauls most of the time I was in the south to remote areas |
| 01:56.59 | g1powermac_EPC | only really sprint works in this county, verizon and others are horrid |
| 01:57.25 | solar | so I've got a pretty good idea of what it would take to become woodlands WISP |
| 01:57.39 | g1powermac_EPC | heh, cool |
| 01:58.52 | ds2 | what's the rule with T1's thesedays? Can you insist they do the wiring to your remote location because it is a tarrifed service? |
| 01:59.08 | g1powermac_EPC | hmm |
| 01:59.23 | g1powermac_EPC | but you'd still have to pay for the run, right? |
| 01:59.25 | solar | you pay on distance from the CLEC |
| 01:59.39 | g1powermac_EPC | thought so |
| 02:00.16 | ds2 | which can be cheaper then running your own wiring |
| 02:00.20 | solar | in general it's best to buy some colo space, get your own cross-connect to the cabinet and do the local loop T1 service. |
| 02:00.31 | ds2 | pay for a year of T1 after they do that then switch to something cheaper ;) |
| 02:00.35 | solar | but that is where wireless wins. You bypass the local loop charges |
| 02:00.50 | ds2 | wireless has line of site issues |
| 02:00.58 | g1powermac_EPC | don't forget you may have to pay for power lines too :-) |
| 02:01.08 | ds2 | bah |
| 02:01.15 | ds2 | solar, wind, water, geothermal, etc. |
| 02:01.23 | g1powermac_EPC | you only get the first 1000 ft of power lines free |
| 02:01.32 | g1powermac_EPC | ds2, I so want to do that |
| 02:01.34 | solar | you can do about 18 miles cleanly before the curviture of the earth gets in the way |
| 02:01.49 | ds2 | don't want a recurring liability with power |
| 02:01.49 | solar | some gear claims to be able to do 45miles. But I don't see how |
| 02:01.57 | g1powermac_EPC | ds2, I so would love to go completely off grid |
| 02:02.20 | solar | that should be everybodies goal ^ |
| 02:02.31 | ds2 | solar: maybe ionsphere reflection tricks? |
| 02:02.38 | g1powermac_EPC | should be |
| 02:03.23 | g1powermac_EPC | my dream is to build a natural material house on some acreage out in the middle of nowhere growing my own food and producing my own power |
| 02:03.33 | solar | dunno. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-line-of-sight_propagation |
| 02:04.38 | solar | g1powermac_EPC: in that case. pool in on geek haven co :) |
| 02:05.51 | g1powermac_EPC | heh |
| 02:05.54 | ds2 | I'd settle for a shipping container in the middle of 40acres |
| 02:05.59 | g1powermac_EPC | hahah |
| 02:06.04 | g1powermac_EPC | ds2, I've thought of that |
| 02:06.24 | g1powermac_EPC | shipping containers are friekin cheap considering what you're getting |
| 02:06.55 | g1powermac_EPC | we have one at our store to house some excess stock |
| 02:07.06 | ds2 | a bit hard to move though |
| 02:07.12 | g1powermac_EPC | somewhat |
| 02:07.21 | g1powermac_EPC | have you ever seen yurts? |
| 02:07.36 | ds2 | no |
| 02:07.49 | g1powermac_EPC | they're basically semi-permanent tent structures |
| 02:08.14 | solar | yeah a buddy of mine used to build them in oregon |
| 02:08.16 | g1powermac_EPC | pretty neat shelters |
| 02:08.25 | solar | you can't really live long term in them |
| 02:08.47 | g1powermac_EPC | yea, but they're perfect if you're building a permanent structure in a remote area |
| 02:08.59 | solar | to live in temp? |
| 02:09.03 | g1powermac_EPC | yea |
| 02:09.15 | solar | ya. But a little spendy |
| 02:09.33 | solar | for a pro-version that is. |
| 02:09.47 | g1powermac_EPC | true, but then you get a guest house or a workshop or something :-) |
| 02:10.01 | solar | yeah. Don't think it would be a mistake |
| 02:10.09 | solar | you kid free? |
| 02:10.17 | g1powermac_EPC | yup |
| 02:10.31 | ds2 | but then why not just get an RV or a TT |
| 02:10.36 | g1powermac_EPC | would be cool for kids too |
| 02:10.43 | solar | TT ? |
| 02:10.48 | g1powermac_EPC | ds2, cause they're cheaper than an RV |
| 02:10.58 | g1powermac_EPC | at least the ones I'd get ;-) |
| 02:11.03 | solar | g1powermac_EPC: not always/really. |
| 02:11.11 | ds2 | TT == Travel Trailer |
| 02:11.11 | solar | maybe if you compare a new RV. |
| 02:11.23 | g1powermac_EPC | true, was thinking new RVs |
| 02:11.23 | ds2 | RV's depreciate fast |
| 02:11.49 | solar | ds2: Re: containers. check out papercrete |
| 02:12.13 | g1powermac_EPC | hmm, papercrete? |
| 02:12.19 | g1powermac_EPC | haven't heard of that |
| 02:12.40 | solar | I was thinking of buying an RV to live in this year. I could buy a used one and the cost of the park+RV costs I could equal to what I'm paying now for condo. |
| 02:13.01 | solar | after first year. profit. |
| 02:13.06 | g1powermac_EPC | hmm |
| 02:13.26 | solar | but when I went to check them out. the floors felt so thin. |
| 02:13.42 | ds2 | heating might be $$ |
| 02:13.46 | solar | then I went and check out some parks in SJC on buslines. |
| 02:13.56 | solar | the parks would worry me. |
| 02:14.06 | solar | I think my stuff would go MIA while I'm at work ;/ |
| 02:14.11 | g1powermac_EPC | hmm |
| 02:14.16 | g1powermac_EPC | might |
| 02:14.28 | ds2 | even that big one of tasman near 1st? |
| 02:14.41 | g1powermac_EPC | not sure on the practicality of living out of an RV and having to leave for work |
| 02:15.05 | g1powermac_EPC | its good for when you're working at home though |
| 02:15.10 | solar | ds2: naa. was mainly looking on the ones on capitol |
| 02:15.44 | ds2 | oh. |
| 02:15.48 | solar | I did find a nicer one that did look ok. So I've not ruled out the idea |
| 02:15.55 | ds2 | I avoid that even during the day :D |
| 02:16.04 | solar | really? |
| 02:16.17 | solar | does not know whats good vs bad in this area. |
| 02:16.39 | solar | everything seems mostly mellow vs say living in DC/Baltimore area |
| 02:16.45 | solar | ppl don't get shot around here :) |
| 02:17.04 | g1powermac_EPC | heh |
| 02:17.56 | g1powermac_EPC | at least here, if you shoot, you'll get shot ;-) |
| 02:18.03 | solar | g1powermac_EPC: anyway papercrete.com (recycle paper and portland cement + earth) |
| 02:18.14 | solar | super low cost way of building. |
| 02:18.14 | g1powermac_EPC | most carry weapons |
| 02:18.20 | g1powermac_EPC | ohhh |
| 02:18.52 | solar | the pic on the page is something in AZ probably. But I've seen it used on containers. |
| 02:19.00 | g1powermac_EPC | interesting |
| 02:19.29 | solar | making a mixer is pretty easy too |
| 02:19.45 | ds2 | uh...people DO get shot |
| 02:19.47 | g1powermac_EPC | I want to build a semi under ground house, mainly the north side underground for thermal protection |
| 02:20.01 | ds2 | East SJC, East PA, OAK, etc |
| 02:21.06 | g1powermac_EPC | but have yet to figure out what way would be the best to construct the underground wall besides poured concrete |
| 02:21.08 | solar | I'm sure they do. I guess I just don't hear it anymore and don't see much violence anymore. |
| 02:21.34 | solar | SJC I do admit is probably the most tame downtown I've ever lived in or seen in my life (tame value) |
| 02:22.03 | g1powermac_EPC | heh, come see Lexington Kentucky ;-) |
| 02:22.28 | solar | with a population of over 100k |
| 02:22.30 | ds2 | yes but venturing the wrong direction from downtown can get exciting |
| 02:22.40 | g1powermac_EPC | hey, we got 500k here ;-) |
| 02:23.10 | solar | ds2: Might have to pass on that field trip :) |
| 02:23.22 | g1powermac_EPC | and about four semi-skyrises ;-) |
| 02:23.48 | solar | this is a nice area to work. |
| 02:24.00 | solar | not live long term. Not enough rain |
| 02:24.23 | solar | but the weather is so nearly always perfect. I do see why so many ppl live in CA |
| 02:24.27 | g1powermac_EPC | the funny part about it is Lexington/Fayette county has about the same population as the county we lived in back in NJ that had 33 towns in it |
| 02:24.42 | solar | how did you end up down there? |
| 02:24.51 | g1powermac_EPC | that generally freaks the locals out ;-) |
| 02:25.42 | g1powermac_EPC | we moved out here mainly so I could attend one of the colleges here |
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| 02:49.29 | solar | g1powermac_EPC: when finished you kinda stayed there? picked up a wife or some such? |
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| 16:44.55 | T0mW | good morning world |
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| 16:53.21 | rektide | what options are there for audio codecs that i can buy in small quantity ? |
| 16:53.39 | rektide | ideally i'd like something that has more than 2 channels of 192Hz / 24 bit input |
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| 17:02.24 | Madsy | rektide: Ogg Vorbis is free |
| 17:03.17 | Madsy | I don't know the specific format it supports though. |
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| 17:18.23 | rektide | i was talking about hardware |
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| 17:19.38 | Madsy | Yeah, I read "audio codecs" as licensing patents for proprietary formats. |
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