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| 02:03.40 | usr | hi at all, i have questions about embedded systems with gui and packagemanagement |
| 02:03.56 | usr | are there such systems? |
| 02:04.35 | usr | the point is i want to have a ramdisk,,, |
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| 02:53.42 | Mirell | Huh. |
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| 05:24.53 | ds2 | lesson of the day - concrete slabs are heavy even if it doesn't seem like it with a 3' pry bar :( |
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| 06:00.34 | Mirell | Ouch. |
| 06:04.05 | ds2 | last year would have been find but this year I no longer had the steel toes :( |
| 06:05.05 | MonMotha | ds2: you know, there's a saying about levers |
| 06:05.12 | ds2 | ? |
| 06:05.18 | Mirell | Never lever pleather. |
| 06:06.11 | MonMotha | ds2: large enough lever, move the world, you know |
| 06:06.22 | MonMotha | in other words, stuff moves easier when using a lever :) |
| 06:06.50 | ds2 | until the lever breaks |
| 06:08.03 | ds2 | MonMotha: is ordering direct the cheapeast way for the Altrium stuff? |
| 06:09.52 | MonMotha | ds2: I know of no other way to really get it at all |
| 06:10.47 | MonMotha | and it's just "Altium", no 'r' |
| 06:11.22 | MonMotha | I'm interested in getting myself a copy, too |
| 06:11.24 | ds2 | ah |
| 06:11.34 | ds2 | $5K is a bit steep |
| 06:11.43 | MonMotha | way down from the $12k it used ot be |
| 06:11.52 | ds2 | true |
| 06:12.02 | MonMotha | and it's only $4k according to the website |
| 06:12.36 | ds2 | thought it was 4995 or something closer to 5 |
| 06:12.49 | MonMotha | it's $3995 |
| 06:12.56 | ds2 | oh my bad |
| 06:13.09 | MonMotha | I assume that's USD. They're Australian, IIRC |
| 06:13.37 | MonMotha | yeah. HQ is in Sydney |
| 06:13.42 | ds2 | not sure if it is legit but I came up with some stuff that suggests hte previous version of Orcad was around that range |
| 06:14.30 | MonMotha | everybody I've talked to has indicated that a Capture (schematic) only license to OrCAD is ~$6k (!!) |
| 06:14.41 | MonMotha | if you want the (somewhat lousy) OrCAD layout program, make it $12k |
| 06:14.58 | MonMotha | most shops seem to use OrCAD capture and PADS for layout |
| 06:15.01 | ds2 | maybe it wasn't legit |
| 06:15.02 | MonMotha | PADS I know isn't cheap |
| 06:15.16 | MonMotha | not to mention I don't like it :) |
| 06:15.19 | ds2 | no hints at all on pricing for PADS or Allegro |
| 06:15.26 | MonMotha | yeah, you have to ask a sales rep |
| 06:15.36 | ds2 | I just want to be ableto make minor edits to layouts done by the layout guy |
| 06:15.38 | MonMotha | I've heard numbers thrown around for PADS ranging from $15-45k |
| 06:16.01 | MonMotha | you might want to ask Altium for the 30 day trial |
| 06:16.05 | ds2 | Eagle seems to be the only one that is reasonably priced |
| 06:16.08 | MonMotha | you could verify that it does properly import things |
| 06:16.26 | MonMotha | eh, I'd say Altium is reasonably priced given the featureset and the prices of all the comparables |
| 06:16.32 | ds2 | don't have the revenue to justify |
| 06:16.36 | MonMotha | but I agree, it's kinda out there for small-time and hobbyist |
| 06:16.53 | MonMotha | then again, I'm considering buying it, and I'm only going to use it for hobby activities |
| 06:17.18 | ds2 | Altium is fine if you are primarily doing designs.. I want tobe able to cut and paste standard blocks together... anything really complex, I'd hire someone |
| 06:18.12 | MonMotha | it has a whole "reusable block" function that I never got a chance to use much (since I only used it on a couple projects) |
| 06:18.27 | MonMotha | it also in general has very good cut/paste |
| 06:19.49 | ds2 | I could stomache the rental rate but they don't offer a rent to own thing |
| 06:20.07 | MonMotha | I wish I could buy it without support at all |
| 06:20.13 | MonMotha | I'm tempted to propose such an offer |
| 06:20.27 | MonMotha | their sales contacts are responsive, and they apparently can be talked down a little sometimes |
| 06:20.33 | MonMotha | I think now might be the time |
| 06:20.45 | MonMotha | IIRC, their Fiscal year ends near the end of June, so they're trying to beef up numbers :) |
| 06:20.51 | ds2 | they didn't seem to bethat hungry for sales |
| 06:21.02 | MonMotha | well, maybe they're doing fine |
| 06:21.31 | ds2 | know if they are using a dongle for security? |
| 06:21.37 | MonMotha | nope |
| 06:21.47 | MonMotha | they give you a license file that is keyed to the MAC addy of the network card |
| 06:21.54 | ds2 | blah |
| 06:22.17 | MonMotha | there is a floating option |
| 06:22.19 | MonMotha | I didn't use it |
| 06:22.24 | MonMotha | I don't know how it works |
| 06:22.44 | ds2 | I just want to be able to use it as a viewer/note taker on a laptop when needed |
| 06:22.57 | MonMotha | well, there is a separate viewer |
| 06:23.13 | MonMotha | also, they'll apparently give you more than one license file. You're just not allowed to run it on more than one machine at once. |
| 06:23.23 | MonMotha | I don't know how all that works. I only had it on one machine. |
| 06:23.28 | ds2 | that I am good with |
| 06:23.52 | ds2 | sounds like they are less picky then the big boys like solidworks |
| 06:24.14 | MonMotha | oh certainly |
| 06:25.53 | MonMotha | I don't think they use FlexLM, either :) |
| 06:25.56 | ds2 | I guess I should see if there is a eagle to pads converter |
| 06:26.19 | ds2 | having a little faith in the customer is a good thing... even flexlm can be defeated |
| 06:27.40 | MonMotha | certainly |
| 06:29.53 | ds2 | are you in chicago yet? |
| 06:30.37 | MonMotha | yes, though not right now |
| 06:31.03 | Mirell | is heading to Chicago next week for Brickworld... |
| 06:31.14 | ds2 | Mirell: what's brickworld? |
| 06:31.24 | Mirell | ds2: Lego convention. :D |
| 06:31.40 | ds2 | MonMotha: there is a Microcenter and a Frys in the area in case you get bored ;) |
| 06:31.59 | Mirell | ds2: http://www.brickworld.us/ |
| 06:32.03 | ds2 | Mirell: oh... fun...where in chicago? rosemont horizon or mckormik place? |
| 06:32.05 | MonMotha | ds2: there's a Fry's in Indy |
| 06:32.19 | MonMotha | I drive near it with some regularity, so Fry's isn't anything new |
| 06:32.24 | Mirell | ds2: ...I don't know. >.< I've never actually been to Chicago, just flown through Midway. |
| 06:32.46 | Mirell | Westin Chicago North Shore |
| 06:32.47 | Mirell | 601 N. Milwaukee Ave. Wheeling, IL |
| 06:33.09 | ds2 | MonMontha: Lots of good pizza/italian places but they seem to be mostly in the southside |
| 06:33.23 | ds2 | Mirell: oh...that isn't that big |
| 06:33.41 | Mirell | Which isn't? |
| 06:34.06 | ds2 | the hotel compared to McKormik place or the Horizon |
| 06:34.11 | Mirell | Ahh |
| 06:34.19 | MonMotha | ds2: oh, plenty of pizza/italian |
| 06:34.23 | MonMotha | challenge is finding something else! |
| 06:34.25 | Mirell | Well, it's a fan-run convention, so it's not like it's ginormous. |
| 06:35.16 | ds2 | oh heheh |
| 06:35.43 | ds2 | the northside chinatown has decent food if you like that stuff |
| 06:35.53 | MonMotha | I've been meaning to visit Koreatown |
| 06:36.06 | Mirell | ds2: I just need to find a genuine Chicago-style pizza place |
| 06:36.49 | MonMotha | ah, the "1 slice is a meal" pizza :) |
| 06:36.59 | Mirell | Ayup! |
| 06:37.06 | ds2 | Mirell: Gino's (sp?) West, Ricobeni, Connies... but they are all southside and a bit far away from Wheeling |
| 06:37.25 | Mirell | There's already a Claim Jumper's next to the hotel, which will ensure I will die for lunch getaways. |
| 06:37.31 | ds2 | the crust on Gino's and Connies can be thicker then normal pizzas |
| 06:37.34 | Mirell | Ahh |
| 06:38.02 | Mirell | Not to be confused with Gino's Cheesesteaks in Philly. ^^ |
| 06:38.04 | ds2 | the edge crust can be bigger then a normal sledge hammer! |
| 06:38.25 | ds2 | Ricobeni also has good pepper steak sandwiches |
| 06:41.35 | Mirell | ds2: I just mention that since I was in Philly a few weeks ago, and tried out Gino's and Pat's King of Steaks |
| 06:41.56 | ds2 | MMmmmmm |
| 06:48.10 | MonMotha | mmmm....I do like a good Cheesesteak |
| 06:53.03 | ds2 | MonMotha: you might also like the pepper steak... breaded and fried steak + green peppers and onions in a sandwich |
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| 07:02.48 | MonMotha | ds2: I think I've had something like that before |
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| 16:39.55 | Guest56259 | hi |
| 16:47.10 | Guest56259 | which toolchain should i use for ARM? 4.1? |
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| 17:27.28 | Madsy | jessequinn: Whatever toolchain you want. If your host runs Linux you might want to use gcc with a version of glibc which mathes. |
| 17:27.51 | Madsy | Or else you need to link statically to libc or another standalone implementation like newlib |
| 17:28.26 | Madsy | The usual rule is: the newer the compiler, the better code output. |
| 17:31.35 | Madsy | Question: Does ARM9 variants ever put the entries in the TLB in the data/instruction caches? |
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| 17:47.52 | mamoul | hey buddies |
| 17:47.52 | jessequinn | Madsy: i am actually using crossStudio |
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| 23:30.19 | chiques | Is it possible to build http://geocities.com/SiliconValley/Orchard/6633/max186.html using the Dragon12 Rev C? |
| 23:30.36 | roxfan | try it and see? |
| 23:31.19 | chiques | roxfan, OK, I'll see if I can. |
| 23:31.32 | chiques | I'll just need help with the code interpretation (going from BASIC to C). |
| 23:31.32 | roxfan | wow, $50 for an adc |
| 23:31.48 | chiques | Yeah, it sounds like someone was getting ripped off. |
| 23:47.38 | g1powermac | woah, especially that maxim is one of the best companies for free samples. . . |
| 23:49.08 | g1powermac | nice adc though |
| 23:52.10 | roxfan | the hcs12 in dragon also has an adc |
| 23:52.22 | roxfan | although 10 bit, not 12 |
| 23:52.27 | chiques | Now need to learn how to use the max186 |
| 23:52.52 | roxfan | why not use the built-in one?... |
| 23:53.02 | chiques | Yes, the Dragon12 does have an ADC on it but i don't have a nice tutorial like the one Shaun has for the Basic Stamp |
| 23:55.55 | roxfan | adc is adc... they all work about the same |
| 23:58.17 | chiques | OK, I'll have to study Shauns setup a bit more then. |