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| 01:53.26 | roxfan | hm, so it seems toshiba's m3s are coming out too |
| 01:53.28 | roxfan | http://www.keil.com/mcbtmpm330/ |
| 01:54.53 | roxfan | not much peripherals on this one... |
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| 17:11.47 | prpplague | ho ho hum |
| 17:11.54 | prpplague | are we having _fun_ yet? |
| 17:12.55 | Madsy | hey prpplague |
| 17:12.59 | Madsy | Not really |
| 17:13.23 | prpplague | Madsy: when we start having fun, please drop me an email or /msg , hehe |
| 17:13.54 | Madsy | I've got around implementing the MMU and MPU for my emulator and realize how slow it's going to be. |
| 17:14.18 | Madsy | So I eventually have to code a JIT compiler. |
| 17:16.56 | prpplague | Madsy: interesting |
| 17:17.25 | prpplague | Madsy: i always wanted to do a z80 emulator |
| 17:17.29 | prpplague | Madsy: just for fun |
| 17:17.46 | ds2 | fun causes an immediate SIGSEGV :( |
| 17:18.15 | prpplague | one thing i really really wanted to do, but never seem to have time was to port UZI to run on ARM |
| 17:18.32 | prpplague | i had started it, but never finished |
| 17:18.56 | ds2 | run it on top of qemu to emulate an x86 on an ARM :D |
| 17:19.17 | prpplague | hehe |
| 17:19.49 | prpplague | http://uzix.sourceforge.net/index.php?page=intro&lang=us |
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| 17:24.52 | chouimat|work | blah |
| 17:25.19 | Madsy | prpplague: The SEGA emulator dgens have a working z80 implementation. It was the Genesis audio chip. |
| 17:25.30 | Madsy | You could take a look there. |
| 17:26.14 | prpplague | Madsy: yea there are a number of z80 emulators, i mainly wanted to do it as an excersise to dig into the depths of the z80 |
| 17:26.20 | chouimat|work | prpplague: there is a z80 patch for qemu ... |
| 17:26.40 | Madsy | I suck at x86/ia-32, so my current problem is to seperate the irrelevant real mode instructions from the relevant protected mode instructions. |
| 17:26.49 | Madsy | In the Intel docs.. |
| 17:28.01 | Madsy | Too bad Intel haven't made such a thing. It could be handy for compiler developers. |
| 17:29.07 | roxfan | Madsy: http://www.emulators.com/docs/nx01_intro.htm <- read all of it, if you haven't |
| 17:29.53 | prpplague | man dealing with interrupts on wince is so clunky |
| 17:29.58 | Madsy | roxfan: What is it about? |
| 17:30.12 | roxfan | writing emulators, among other things :) |
| 17:32.06 | Mirell | is currently attempting to get BusyBox to build nicely on MacOSX... |
| 17:33.40 | prpplague | Mirell: dandy |
| 17:33.56 | prpplague | Mirell: has landley given up on toybox? |
| 17:35.57 | Mirell | prpplague: Seems like, unfortunately, despite me prodding him into learning Lua. |
| 17:36.24 | prpplague | Mirell: man that is a shame |
| 17:36.26 | Mirell | prpplague: Apparently the Bruce Perens effect has more or less worn off.. |
| 17:36.38 | prpplague | Mirell: that's what i suspected |
| 17:39.05 | Mirell | prpplague: Now if only I could get him to go to DefCon with me. :D |
| 17:39.16 | prpplague | hehe |
| 17:39.38 | prpplague | Mirell: i guess you guess are going to the plumbers conference |
| 17:41.45 | Mirell | prpplague: Still haven't heard whether the paper is approved or not |
| 17:41.59 | prpplague | Mirell: what was the paper about? |
| 17:42.12 | Mirell | prpplague: Gentoo from Scratch/Firmware Linux |
| 17:42.33 | prpplague | Mirell: ahh |
| 17:43.26 | prpplague | Mirell: i've _almost_ submitted papers for conferences every year since 2000, i chicken out right before the deadline |
| 17:45.04 | mnemoc | current making a web interface in Lua |
| 17:47.26 | Madsy | roxfan: Interesting thoughts, but not so much about emulation :-) |
| 17:47.42 | roxfan | he has some later |
| 17:47.50 | roxfan | including mmu/tlb/etc |
| 17:48.30 | Madsy | Ah, more pages |
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| 18:02.44 | Mirell | And nothing like a cat laying across your keyboard to remind you to take a break from coding.. |
| 18:07.48 | prpplague | Mirell: specially if it's a dead road kill cat |
| 18:07.58 | Mirell | ... |
| 18:08.05 | Mirell | You're dead to me for the rest of the day. |
| 18:08.09 | prpplague | hehe |
| 18:08.10 | Mirell | :P |
| 18:08.25 | prpplague | Mirell: cats make great tamales |
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| 18:08.39 | Mirell | DEAD! |
| 18:08.42 | *** mode/#edev [+o prpplague] by Mirell |
| 18:08.44 | Mirell | Anywho. |
| 18:09.17 | prpplague | hehe |
| 18:13.56 | chouimat|work | is happy that prpplague found another cat for his culinary experiments |
| 18:14.17 | prpplague | chouimat|work: hehe |
| 18:15.05 | prpplague | chouimat|work: a box of "Hamburger Helper" and a stray cat......... |
| 18:15.55 | chouimat|work | prpplague: I know someone who once lived in the "china town" and he saved a cat ... he named him Stir Fry |
| 18:16.36 | prpplague | hehe |
| 18:22.15 | prpplague | ho ho hum |
| 18:22.21 | prpplague | is bummed out today |
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| 18:26.57 | agaffney | prpplague: why's that? |
| 18:28.30 | prpplague | agaffney: number of reasons, work at AML really bites right now, my father's estate hasn't been completed yet and the funeral home is harrasing me |
| 18:29.47 | mnemoc | :( |
| 18:30.59 | prpplague | agaffney: the estate and life insurance stuff is really the last items to be handled with regards to my fathers death, so as soon as that is handled i'll feel alot better |
| 18:31.12 | agaffney | didn't know your father died |
| 18:31.16 | agaffney | sorry to hear that |
| 18:31.27 | prpplague | agaffney: hard to have some closure when all that stuff is hanging unfinished |
| 18:31.35 | agaffney | I can imagine |
| 18:31.42 | prpplague | agaffney: thanks, back on may 23rd, he'd been sick for awhile |
| 18:32.44 | prpplague | http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/news-journal/obituary.aspx?n=patrick-j-anders-pat&pid=127654401 |
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| 18:39.30 | wmat | prpplague: very sorry to hear that |
| 18:39.41 | prpplague | wmat: thanks |
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| 21:21.29 | prpplague | landley: hey hey |
| 21:21.40 | landley | waves at a lack of prpplague. |
| 21:21.44 | landley | Oh there you are. |
| 21:21.51 | landley | You're not showing up on my "who's here" lsit for some reason... |
| 21:21.58 | landley | Then again, it could be that pidgin sucketh rocks. |
| 21:22.09 | landley | How goes? |
| 21:22.15 | prpplague | landley: yes pidgin does that sometimes when you are sysop |
| 21:22.19 | prpplague | landley: it goes |
| 21:22.30 | prpplague | landley: just trying to make it through the next couple of months |
| 21:23.16 | prpplague | landley: and you? |
| 21:23.38 | prpplague | landley: read you dev log the other day, sounded like you were a little bummed out on dev work |
| 21:24.43 | landley | prpplague: I've accepted that Linux on the Desktop will never happen. |
| 21:24.51 | landley | It will continue to be a niche OS at best. |
| 21:25.16 | landley | Kind of hard to work up enthusiasm for getting out and pushing when the people _steering_ have been firmly in the ditch for a full decade, and have now cheerfully found a _cliff_ to go off. |
| 21:25.37 | prpplague | landley: yea, until there is some crittal mass that happens, linux desktop will never be up there |
| 21:25.40 | landley | And thus, I need to break down and buy a macintosh laptop, and maybe an iPhone, and develop for that instead. |
| 21:25.44 | landley | until? unless? |
| 21:25.49 | landley | It WILL NOT HAPPEN. Ever. |
| 21:26.10 | landley | I spent ten years on "until" and "unless", and the problem is that the open source development process chokes at any aesthetic issue. |
| 21:26.20 | prpplague | landley: indeed |
| 21:26.24 | landley | "Shut up and show me the code" is not a useful response to UI issues. |
| 21:26.35 | prpplague | landley: hence the reason i've been doing wince dev for the last 4 months |
| 21:26.43 | prpplague | landley: exactly |
| 21:26.49 | landley | When we hit anything UI, either someone comes along and does it _for_ us, or we fork ourselves to death producing 15 incompatible and horrible solutions. |
| 21:27.18 | landley | Linus Torvalds spent years mocking the gnome developers. Then he switched off KDE (to gnome) because KDE 4.x was THAT BAD. |
| 21:27.28 | prpplague | hehe, indeed |
| 21:27.32 | landley | I switched to xfce, but it's #3 at best. |
| 21:27.38 | prpplague | landley: you are preaching to the choir |
| 21:27.42 | landley | Nobody other than me is using it, more or less. |
| 21:28.17 | landley | And thus my lack of motivation. It's not that we're irrelevant, it's that after 15 years we _deserve_ to be. |
| 21:28.22 | landley | And that's sad. |
| 21:28.41 | landley | Even if linux on the desktop did start to magically show signs of life, would _you_ listen to the boy who'd cried wolf? |
| 21:28.51 | landley | It's been the year of the linux desktop every year since 1998. EVERY SINGLE YEAR. |
| 21:29.15 | landley | And except for the flash plugin (which isn't even _ours_), Ubuntu 8.10 and 9.04 both suck worse than Kubuntu 8.04 did. |
| 21:29.36 | landley | I'll stop now. |
| 21:29.43 | prpplague | landley: hehe yep, i know all too well |
| 21:29.51 | landley | So yeah, I've decided that what I need to do is turn my tinycc fork into qcc. |
| 21:29.53 | landley | The qemu C compiler. |
| 21:30.17 | prpplague | landley: i've been listening to RMK's rants about patch reviews and such, just makes me sick that they have no clue |
| 21:30.22 | roxfan | doesn't qemu have something already? tcg or whatnot |
| 21:30.24 | landley | Break it up into a dozen separate commands (ld, as, cpp, etc), busyboxify 'em so they do the swiss army applet thing, and push 'em upstream into qemu. |
| 21:30.39 | landley | Then use TCG as the code generator backend, and let the qemu guys maintain that in situ. |
| 21:30.46 | landley | roxfan: tcg is a code generator. It doesn't parse C. |
| 21:30.50 | roxfan | ah |
| 21:31.04 | landley | I propose adding the remaining bits, built _around_ tcg, to produce a working drop-in replacement for gcc. |
| 21:31.11 | landley | Don't care about at the efficiency of the resulting code much. |
| 21:31.16 | landley | Not my problem. |
| 21:31.31 | prpplague | landley: interesting |
| 21:31.49 | landley | I planned to work on it today, but I got hit by a car and had to go get my bike fixed. |
| 21:32.11 | landley | Just got the call that it's ready, I should go pick it up and start biking again. |
| 21:32.56 | prpplague | landley: lordy lordy |
| 21:33.03 | landley | shrugs. It's tuesday. |
| 21:33.03 | prpplague | landley: didn't damage you did it? |
| 21:33.28 | landley | You know those "how stunt men do it" shows on the discovery channel where they talk about rolling up on the hood of the car, and the windshield if necessary? |
| 21:33.31 | landley | Turns out that works. |
| 21:33.38 | prpplague | hehe |
| 21:33.44 | landley | Also my laptop landed on me, which was good. |
| 21:34.04 | landley | Banged up my thumb a bit, and had to have the front tire of my bike replaced because it got mondo warped. ($60 repair, or thereabouts.) |
| 21:34.08 | landley | Kind of annoying, really. |
| 21:34.29 | landley | Fade freaked out a bit when I told her why I'd come home early. |
| 21:34.30 | landley | shrugs. |
| 21:34.41 | landley | My response to adrenaline is to get very calm. Always has been. |
| 21:34.52 | landley | Kind of the same with caffeine, really. :) |
| 21:34.59 | landley | AH! Smileys! Must kill! |
| 21:35.47 | landley | Darn it, how do I make pidgin stop replacing smileys with icons? |
| 21:35.56 | landley | Other than tracking down the smiley.png directory and deleting it again... |
| 21:36.27 | landley | I can highlight it and "disable smileys in selected text", but that's not a permanent solution... |
| 21:37.25 | landley | There. Got it. |
| 21:37.34 | landley | Ha! :( :) 8) |
| 21:37.37 | landley | Much better. |
| 21:38.10 | roxfan | you could just switch to japanese smileys o.o |
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| 21:48.40 | landley | roxfan: actually those were originally bitnet smileys. |
| 22:07.02 | prpplague | landley: later bud! |
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