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| 02:44.06 | joe_bleau | I don't see anything at Schmartboards, either. |
| 03:07.15 | joe_bleau | Surfboards: nada. |
| 03:07.35 | joe_bleau | I'm not sure if Wainwright minimounts are still around. |
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| 03:18.34 | joe_bleau | Hey, this might just work: http://www.beldynsys.com/p508.htm |
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| 05:29.01 | Mirell | Too...much...C++...for...one...day... |
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| 05:33.41 | ds2 | poor thing |
| 05:33.43 | ds2 | C++ OD |
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| 07:58.06 | tsleg | Hi |
| 07:58.33 | tsleg | I need some help about elementary, Does anybody can help me ? I'm using it in python, and I don't find doc about available functions |
| 07:58.47 | tsleg | oups |
| 07:58.52 | tsleg | Sorry |
| 07:58.57 | tsleg | Wrong chan ;) |
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| 14:40.39 | chouimat|work | morning |
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| 14:52.54 | kergoth | morning |
| 14:55.36 | prpplague | kergoth: greetings |
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| 15:01.22 | prpplague | shame ol' cosmic can;t irc from work |
| 15:01.48 | kergoth | aye |
| 15:02.19 | kergoth | I'd be in trouble without irc from work, its the main way i interact with the OpenEmbedded community, plus I'm always on the mvista internal irc |
| 15:04.59 | prpplague | kergoth: irc has become alot less helpful to me for dev help, but i still like to keep up on the goings on |
| 15:05.31 | kergoth | most often i use it to run ideas past people for stuff I'd like to implement, new features, that sort of thing |
| 15:05.34 | kergoth | brainstorm |
| 15:05.39 | Crofton | prpplague, you are so much smarter than us :) |
| 15:06.13 | prpplague | Crofton: hehe, not what i meant of course, just that the areas i've been working on there aren't many people on IRC doing the same things |
| 15:06.19 | Crofton | yeah |
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| 16:10.37 | prpplague | samrobb: greetings mr.zombie |
| 16:10.48 | samrobb | Heh :-) |
| 16:10.53 | samrobb | What's up? |
| 16:11.13 | samrobb | Errr. I mean, what's up... BRAIIIIINSSS.... |
| 16:11.19 | prpplague | samrobb: blood pressure, stress, taxes |
| 16:11.22 | prpplague | samrobb: hehe |
| 16:11.50 | prpplague | and lots and lots of rain - http://i.imwx.com/web/radar/us_dfw_metroradar_plus_usen.jpg |
| 16:13.05 | samrobb | Ouch! Yah, we've got thunderstorms heading our way this afternoon... |
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| 16:23.29 | Mirell | It's finally less than 95 here today! |
| 16:23.31 | Mirell | dances |
| 16:34.06 | samrobb | Anybody here familiar with nmi handling in FreeBSD? |
| 16:37.17 | prpplague | samrobb: sorry not i |
| 16:37.42 | samrobb | :-( |
| 16:38.01 | samrobb | I'm asking over in #bsd, but that's like a ghost town |
| 16:39.29 | Mirell | WoooOOOooOOOOoOoOOOOoo |
| 16:39.39 | Mirell | You see two ghosts of NetBSD in front of you |
| 16:39.39 | prpplague | samrobb: yea, i was just lementing about how IRC gotten alot less useful for me since i seem to be always doing dev work that no one else has done before |
| 16:39.51 | Mirell | Your available directions are: North South |
| 16:39.54 | Mirell | > |
| 16:40.12 | samrobb | look south |
| 16:40.25 | Mirell | There is a pile of money from Microsoft to split the BSDs |
| 16:40.32 | samrobb | look north |
| 16:40.57 | Mirell | There is FreeBSDs library being raided by Gentoo vultures |
| 16:41.43 | Mirell | A NetBSD Ghost attacks you with a Berkeley License! 5 points. |
| 16:41.48 | Mirell | Anywho. |
| 16:41.52 | g1powermac | hah |
| 16:42.17 | g1powermac | still might have netbsd running on some machine somewhere in this house |
| 16:43.08 | g1powermac | it was actually the first real *nix I played around with |
| 16:43.42 | Mirell | First real one for me was Red Hat 3 or something, running as a home router for my modem |
| 16:44.26 | g1powermac | ahh, I remember trying an old red hat version before that, but it never installed correctly |
| 16:44.39 | g1powermac | that was actually the first linux install attempt for me |
| 16:44.57 | Mirell | Then in what I'll blame young ignorance, I was cleaning up the random files, and went, "What's this PAM crap, I don't need it.." |
| 16:45.08 | Mirell | And spent the next day figuring out how to recover the system. |
| 16:45.09 | Mirell | Learned a lot! |
| 16:45.10 | g1powermac | then tried to reinstall win95 on that machine, but that failed too |
| 16:45.16 | g1powermac | heh |
| 16:45.53 | g1powermac | in my young ignorance, instead of keeping the useful machine, I gave it away with no OS and was prolly junked by the people I gave it to |
| 16:46.27 | g1powermac | could have used that thing just a year or so later when I tried *nix again |
| 16:46.56 | Mirell | Hehe |
| 16:47.48 | g1powermac | on or around the same time I messed around with netbsd on a 486 (which booted faster than any other machine amazingly) I tried linux again |
| 16:48.10 | g1powermac | but the only available machine I had was a powermac 6100 |
| 16:49.07 | g1powermac | getting linux on a first generation powermac is no easy task, even for an expert, hence I built my whole online identity around the experience ;-) |
| 16:50.01 | g1powermac | learnt a boatload of stuff trying to get it to work, which I did finally get the CLI working, but never got much of a GUI going |
| 16:50.30 | samrobb | grumbles at the dang kids to get off his lawn |
| 16:51.03 | samrobb | When I was your age, the only Linux we had was Slackware! We had to install it from floppies! |
| 16:51.08 | samrobb | AND WE LIKED IT! |
| 16:51.12 | g1powermac | throws a DEC mini computer on samrobb's lawn ;-) |
| 16:51.20 | samrobb | Heh :-) |
| 16:51.43 | g1powermac | samrobb, heh, how do you think I installed both debian on the powermac and netbsd on the 486? |
| 16:52.21 | g1powermac | actually, the debian install on the powermac was fun, combining lots of weird things with an external hdd, boot loading program on the mac side, and some other weird things |
| 16:52.59 | samrobb | Did.... mmm. Yellow Dog on a PPC Mac, once, just for fun. |
| 16:53.03 | g1powermac | at the time, there was no direct linux boot loader for the old first gen powermacs |
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| 16:53.19 | g1powermac | you had to boot to Mac OS and then that would boot linux |
| 16:53.54 | g1powermac | very much how you'd get linux working on the m68k macs, since really the first gen powermacs were m68k macs, just with a ppc proc |
| 16:53.56 | samrobb | Loverly! I'm always amazed at the ways people found to get stuff running on random hardware... |
| 16:54.21 | g1powermac | so it was a strange hybrid system, which is quite difficult to get working |
| 16:54.38 | samrobb | What was it... loadlin, I think, for DOS? Did something similar. Let DOS boot, then load Linux over it. |
| 16:54.38 | g1powermac | especially when its loaded to the kilt with addons like mine has ;-) |
| 16:54.55 | g1powermac | possibly, sounds similar |
| 16:55.28 | g1powermac | but my mac had the addition of the apple A/V card and a G3 proc upgrade card :-) |
| 16:56.13 | g1powermac | when the G3 proc would kick in, that sucker could boot Mac OS 8.1 faster than any machine I've ever seen since |
| 16:56.40 | g1powermac | even would beat emulators I've run on my new intel macs |
| 16:57.38 | g1powermac | that was the nice thing about the old mac hardware, much of it was so upgradeable, it could last a decade if you got the right model |
| 17:00.15 | g1powermac | like the old powermac 9600, which was one of the last beige box macs which was built in 1997, it has 12, yes 12 ram slots and could take a max of 1.5gb of ram |
| 17:00.41 | g1powermac | it could also be upgraded, I think, with dual G4 procs |
| 17:00.57 | g1powermac | and it has 6 pci slots |
| 17:01.42 | g1powermac | quite amazing for a machine built 12 years ago |
| 17:21.59 | prpplague | samrobb: hehe, my first distro was yggdrasil |
| 17:22.21 | samrobb | Oh, man. That takes me back. |
| 17:23.12 | prpplague | big ol green book with 3.5" floppies |
| 17:28.33 | prpplague | ho ho hum |
| 17:28.56 | prpplague | throws a handful of darts at the #edev channel to see who is alive |
| 17:29.37 | g1powermac_EPC | deflects the darts with AOL cds ;-) |
| 17:32.14 | g1powermac_EPC | actually, should break out the really old AOL floppies, still gone one of them floating around |
| 17:32.38 | g1powermac_EPC | prolly could sell them on ebay for the insane collectors. . . |
| 17:35.31 | prpplague | needs to figure out a quicker way of upload wince images to dev board |
| 17:38.07 | prpplague | ho ho hum, so much to do, so much to learn, so little coffee |
| 17:39.15 | g1powermac_EPC | skip the coffee, you're into doing windows dev work now, its time to step up to the direct caffeine injections :-) |
| 17:40.38 | prpplague | g1powermac_EPC: more like i need to drop some acid or eat some mushrooms to help make this coding style make sense |
| 17:40.42 | ds2 | notes the puddles of blood forming |
| 17:42.28 | g1powermac_EPC | or. . .just code an RNG script that will scour source code on the net and randomly stick the code together like those scientific papers /. talked about a while back |
| 17:42.38 | g1powermac_EPC | you may just end up with what you need :-) |
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| 17:55.52 | Mirell | is still in pain with C++ |
| 17:56.50 | g1powermac_EPC | heh, i still never fully got the whole gist of C++ |
| 17:57.29 | g1powermac_EPC | my coding style mainly is more C oriented with some C++ things that tend to improve upon the basic functionality of C |
| 17:57.47 | Mirell | I'm a more higher-level languages sort. |
| 17:57.53 | g1powermac_EPC | ahh |
| 17:57.56 | Mirell | Java/Python/Perl, et cetera |
| 17:57.58 | g1powermac_EPC | is more lower level |
| 17:58.06 | g1powermac_EPC | C/assembly is my thing |
| 17:58.45 | Mirell | C is at least better than C++... |
| 17:59.07 | Mirell | anxiously awaits for the Kindle DX to arrive... |
| 17:59.23 | g1powermac_EPC | heh |
| 18:00.32 | kergoth | ooh, kindle dx. I'd love to hear what you think of it |
| 18:00.38 | kergoth | I'm so annoyed that it cant do epub |
| 18:00.39 | kergoth | :( |
| 18:01.05 | Mirell | It can do PDF though! |
| 18:02.20 | kergoth | true, you could convert |
| 18:02.24 | kergoth | can it handle reflowable pdfs? |
| 18:03.22 | prpplague | or overflowable toilets? |
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| 18:03.45 | g1powermac_EPC | warning, do not flush kindle dx |
| 18:03.49 | g1powermac_EPC | :-) |
| 18:04.29 | prpplague | wonders if a kindle work work well for schematics |
| 18:04.38 | prpplague | i certainly waste alot of paper on schematics |
| 18:04.53 | g1powermac_EPC | interesting idea |
| 18:05.20 | g1powermac_EPC | I could so use one, i got piles of pdfs I'd rather read on e-ink than my lcd screens |
| 18:07.20 | ds2 | speaking of e-ink, has anyone figured out the raw wave forms needed to drive it? |
| 18:07.50 | prpplague | ds2: you mean without a controller? |
| 18:08.14 | ds2 | yes |
| 18:08.37 | ds2 | i.e. the waves as sent from the PIC... I suppose I could run the code in a simulator but.... |
| 18:10.13 | prpplague | ds2: it was my understanding that the full e-ink needs alot more than that, the e-ink paper used in that magazine wasn't consider full e-ink, iirc |
| 18:11.11 | Mirell | prpplague: Of course not |
| 18:11.22 | Mirell | prpplague: It only had around 6 controllable segments |
| 18:11.44 | prpplague | Mirell: right, that was what i was thinking |
| 18:11.46 | ds2 | I'd assume a full eink would have the same signals but mux'ed |
| 18:12.02 | ds2 | the physics should change |
| 18:12.02 | prpplague | ds2: from what i understand, no |
| 18:12.49 | prpplague | ds2: the magazine one was configured to be basically a 7-segement display, the areas were just on or off |
| 18:17.05 | prpplague | ds2: i just had a look at our e-ink eval kit |
| 18:17.32 | prpplague | ds2: and from what i'm seeing, it would a monster undertaking to try and get that running with a PIC or AVR |
| 18:19.15 | ds2 | shouldn't change...blah |
| 18:19.38 | ds2 | the eval kill uses several overkills - the gumstix, the VGA emulation controller,etc |
| 18:20.12 | ds2 | even for a LCD, you could do the same thing with the bigger ones but it'll just be tricky... the signals to drive it are about the same... biasit one way, flip it, and repeat |
| 18:21.51 | prpplague | ds2: from what i'm seeing its not like that without the controller |
| 18:22.12 | prpplague | ds2: i'll read up on the eval kit i have |
| 18:22.47 | ds2 | hmmm |
| 18:23.05 | prpplague | ds2: from what i'm seeing you need something like a PWM to on each segement |
| 18:23.30 | ds2 | hmmm |
| 18:26.30 | prpplague | ds2: yea from what i'm reading here you need a specific wave form to generate a pixel shift |
| 18:29.03 | prpplague | ds2: have a look at the datasheet for the epson S1D13521 |
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| 18:43.43 | prpplague | ho ho hum |
| 18:43.51 | prpplague | is starting to feel bummed out today |
| 18:44.45 | prpplague | my father had been sick for a long time, and we new it was coming, but ever since he passed i get really bummed out in the afternoons for some reason |
| 18:51.04 | Mirell | prpplague: Probably the WinCE stuff doesn't help either for the afternoons... |
| 18:51.14 | prpplague | Mirell: indeed |
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| 19:06.17 | keesj | I am a language slut |
| 19:06.47 | keesj | I enjoy change |
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| 19:11.16 | prpplague | keesj: i don't mind so much the language, its just c and c++, but the api for wince stuff is just sooo....... bizare |
| 19:11.57 | Mirell | prpplague: Don't eat this cat http://cuteoverload.com/2009/06/11/everyone-knows-its-kitty/ |
| 19:15.34 | prpplague | hehe |
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| 19:41.52 | g1powermac_EPC | hmmm, this should be interesting |
| 19:42.04 | g1powermac_EPC | anyone have any experience with greasemonkey? |
| 19:42.35 | g1powermac_EPC | cause I got an odd issue I have to fix |
| 19:43.00 | g1powermac_EPC | we just recently switched to a new check verification system at our store |
| 19:43.25 | g1powermac_EPC | which requires us to type in all the check info (routing number, account number, etc) into their website |
| 19:43.53 | g1powermac_EPC | the people running the register can't handle this all to well, so we want to automate it |
| 19:44.26 | g1powermac_EPC | found a nice check reader that acts as a ps/2 wedge, so the readers looks to be just like a keyboard |
| 19:45.03 | g1powermac_EPC | but now i need to format the incoming data to fill the web form |
| 19:45.15 | g1powermac_EPC | wondering if greasemonkey would be the best option |
| 19:52.03 | Mirell | Hmm... |
| 19:52.59 | Mirell | g1powermac_EPC: I'm assuming they need to see the screen afterwards with more information/whatnot? |
| 19:53.18 | g1powermac_EPC | yea |
| 19:53.38 | g1powermac_EPC | though, I could reformat the screen using greasemonkey |
| 19:53.56 | Mirell | I'd be tempted to say write a script that takes the PS/2 input, sends it via curl, and then invokes a browser window on the return data, but yah, GreaseMonkey might work |
| 19:54.18 | g1powermac_EPC | oh yea, this is on a windows machine |
| 19:54.31 | Mirell | Ahhh |
| 19:54.46 | g1powermac_EPC | dang blasted point of sale software. . .but anyway |
| 19:55.11 | Mirell | Yah, you could also use GreaseMonkey to just make the screen really simple |
| 19:55.21 | Mirell | Two fields! *kershunk* |
| 19:55.28 | g1powermac_EPC | ahh |
| 19:57.34 | g1powermac_EPC | hrmm |
| 19:57.44 | g1powermac_EPC | this check site uses some kind of frames |
| 19:57.54 | g1powermac_EPC | wonder how greasemonkey handles that |
| 20:05.59 | g1powermac_EPC | huh, no, it isn't frames, its using a strange cookie system |
| 20:07.49 | g1powermac_EPC | oh kewl, i can program the check reader to stick tab characters inbetween each set of numbers |
| 20:08.11 | g1powermac_EPC | now I just only need to rearrange the fields to match the output from the reader |
| 20:08.36 | prpplague | g1powermac_EPC: be careful with keyboard wedges |
| 20:08.53 | prpplague | g1powermac_EPC: lots of employees like to skim data with those |
| 20:10.35 | g1powermac_EPC | we'd be happy to hire someone who'd even come close to having abilities like that |
| 20:11.12 | prpplague | g1powermac_EPC: you'd be surprised how smart people are when it comes to stealing money |
| 20:11.29 | g1powermac_EPC | 99% of our employee base has little clue to the difference between a modem the actual computer tower |
| 20:11.45 | g1powermac_EPC | heh, of course, but there's much easier ways, ie cash |
| 20:15.11 | g1powermac_EPC | which is why, right now, the only people running the register are ourselves |
| 20:15.22 | g1powermac_EPC | we've had too many shortages on the cash drawer |
| 20:18.12 | g1powermac_EPC | actually, if they did have some sophistication, a software key logger would be much easier to install than a hardware based one in the way everything is setup |
| 20:18.45 | g1powermac_EPC | just getting to the cables behind the machine would attract the attention of everyone, as you'd have to rip it all apart |
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| 20:20.52 | g1powermac_EPC | does need to lock the system down on the software side before we let anyone back on the register |
| 20:28.40 | Mirell | Got mah Kindle DX! |
| 20:32.57 | roxfan2 | sold your soul to bezos? |
| 20:33.06 | Mirell | Nah |
| 20:33.59 | g1powermac_EPC | roxfan, nah, just his wallet ;-) |
| 20:35.24 | roxfan | well, i guess it's at least cheaper than iliad |
| 20:40.28 | g1powermac_EPC | would love an iliad |
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