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| 01:01.06 | Mirell | g1powermac_EPC: Trick is not to tell 'em |
| 01:06.21 | g1powermac_EPC | yea, till they pull your records |
| 01:07.13 | g1powermac_EPC | it was a total pain, did not have health insurance for most of the time in college |
| 01:07.37 | g1powermac_EPC | had to go with one of those semi college insurance things provided by the state |
| 01:10.53 | g1powermac_EPC | luckily didn't have anything really bad go wrong during those years |
| 01:15.44 | Mirell | g1powermac_EPC: I know entirely where you're coming from |
| 01:16.08 | Mirell | I had health insurance through my parents, but it was an HMO based in Arkansas, and I went to Univ. of Texas |
| 01:16.24 | g1powermac_EPC | ahh |
| 01:16.28 | Mirell | So I was covered for catacylismic I have to have a heart transplant/break a bone/et cetera, |
| 01:16.37 | Mirell | But regular doctor visits, I was screwed. |
| 01:16.41 | g1powermac_EPC | yea |
| 01:16.51 | g1powermac_EPC | that was sorta what I had |
| 01:17.19 | g1powermac_EPC | they picked up a little bit of the xray I needed when I broke a toe during that time |
| 01:18.04 | g1powermac_EPC | but if I only had that kind of insurance with all the crap I have done this past year, I'd be totally screw |
| 01:18.17 | g1powermac_EPC | *screwed |
| 01:19.17 | Mirell | Yah...it ended up that for just about the same cost, I can get much, much (on paper, at least) better health insurance through the LLC consulting we set up, |
| 01:19.23 | Mirell | Than individual plans |
| 01:19.33 | Mirell | Which is...annoying just for the paperwork involved. |
| 01:19.55 | g1powermac_EPC | been to the ER I think four times, twice for gallstone attack, and twice for this transient heart arrhythmia |
| 01:20.40 | Mirell | Went to the ER a few weeks ago for heart arrythmia/chest pain myself, but I was still on the sorta crappy individual plan... |
| 01:20.46 | Mirell | is not looking forward to the bill |
| 01:20.58 | g1powermac_EPC | yeouch, yea, that isn't going to be pleasant |
| 01:21.29 | Mirell | $5K deductible on it... |
| 01:21.38 | Mirell | So...that's a serious "Ouch!!!" |
| 01:21.45 | g1powermac_EPC | but it won't be nothing compared to my simple gallbladder surgery which cost $10k. . . |
| 01:21.45 | Mirell | But not bankruptcy ouch... |
| 01:21.51 | Mirell | Yah.. |
| 01:21.55 | Mirell | That's a definite ouch |
| 01:22.05 | g1powermac_EPC | good think humana picked most of that up without arguing with me |
| 01:22.08 | g1powermac_EPC | *thing |
| 01:22.26 | g1powermac_EPC | euh, $5k deductible |
| 01:22.49 | Mirell | New plan is $1K Deductible, no coinsurance crap, and office co-pay |
| 01:22.58 | g1powermac_EPC | nice |
| 01:23.06 | Mirell | For pretty much the exact same cost |
| 01:23.16 | g1powermac_EPC | very nice |
| 01:24.08 | g1powermac_EPC | what I'm on now is some kind of ppo plan that my parents setup with our business, so I didn't have to fully go through the acceptance stuff I was having issues with when trying to get an individual plan |
| 01:24.35 | Mirell | They're a heck of a lot more lenient when it's through a business. |
| 01:24.40 | g1powermac_EPC | yea |
| 01:24.46 | g1powermac_EPC | so much nicer |
| 01:25.00 | Mirell | I actually got denied by Blue Cross Blue Shield due to past psychriatric stuff, for depression, |
| 01:25.08 | Mirell | But as a business, "Sure, okay!" |
| 01:25.11 | Mirell | *boggle* |
| 01:25.19 | g1powermac_EPC | I actually was able to get onto an individual plan before the business plan, but this one is better |
| 01:25.31 | g1powermac_EPC | heh |
| 01:26.02 | g1powermac_EPC | you wanna know what I was denied for? a simple stupid cyst that I never had surgically removed |
| 01:26.19 | Mirell | ...geeze |
| 01:26.32 | g1powermac_EPC | and it actually went away when I lost weight and got into better shape |
| 01:27.56 | g1powermac_EPC | I'm quite happy I didn't go for the surgery, it would have been quite painful and not guarantee total removal |
| 01:31.16 | Mirell | Heh, yah |
| 01:31.52 | g1powermac_EPC | so yea, i never went for the surgery, so the insurance companies never seen it 'fixed' and decided to deny me any coverage because of it |
| 01:32.53 | g1powermac_EPC | and at that time I had really no other issues, and was only like 17 or so years old |
| 01:33.15 | g1powermac_EPC | boggles the mind that they'd reject me over that |
| 02:03.39 | Mirell | Ouch. |
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| 02:28.45 | roxfan | what's news? |
| 02:44.08 | ds2 | this was yahoo.com.cn |
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| 04:01.45 | Mirell | '' |
| 04:01.47 | Mirell | Woops. |
| 04:11.16 | ds2 | !! |
| 04:33.52 | Mirell | Heh |
| 05:32.53 | Viltapi | ds2: did you meant that they ignore robots.txt or that they really ignore "do not obey robots.txt" so that they do obey it? :) |
| 05:35.11 | ds2 | I mean they spider despite robots.txt saying not to |
| 05:35.48 | Viltapi | well you could block them by user-agent if you would really need to |
| 05:37.17 | ds2 | I just block by IP |
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| 14:32.46 | chouimat|work | morning |
| 14:33.01 | prpplague | chouimat|work: greetings frenchy! |
| 14:33.23 | chouimat|work | prpplague: favourite equations - A pizza of radius z and thickness a has a volume of pi z z a |
| 14:33.51 | prpplague | chouimat|work: oh cute, never heard that one before |
| 14:39.29 | prpplague | chouimat|work: lordy lordy, might as well call the area up there around ottawa and such, "little barbados" |
| 14:39.43 | prpplague | chouimat|work: so many of my wife's relatives are moving there |
| 14:39.56 | prpplague | chouimat|work: ottawa and montreal |
| 14:40.08 | chouimat|work | prpplague: hehe |
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| 16:17.11 | Mirell | cd Hmm... |
| 16:17.15 | Mirell | Er, woops, heh. |
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| 16:52.55 | Mirell | So hot outside... |
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| 17:08.18 | prpplague | Mirell: indeed |
| 17:08.33 | prpplague | Mirell: the heat came early this year |
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| 17:50.23 | g1powermac_EPC | its been quite cool here |
| 17:50.31 | g1powermac_EPC | finally starting to get warm |
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| 18:44.54 | prpplague | the Didj is now selling for $69.99 |
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| 18:48.31 | prpplague | http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=10060744 |
| 18:48.40 | prpplague | wow a kit for $59.99 |
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| 18:51.51 | g1powermac_EPC | hmm |
| 18:52.04 | g1powermac_EPC | prpplague, anything interesting that could be done with the didj? |
| 18:52.39 | prpplague | g1powermac_EPC: pretty darn good linux system - http://www.elinux.org/Didj |
| 18:54.39 | g1powermac_EPC | hmm |
| 18:55.01 | g1powermac_EPC | what kind of I/O does it have available? |
| 18:55.44 | prpplague | usb slave, some gpio, i2c, uart |
| 18:56.02 | g1powermac_EPC | I say one thing, because of its button arrangement, it would make one killer gameboy emulator |
| 18:56.21 | g1powermac_EPC | hmm, interesting |
| 18:56.31 | prpplague | yea |
| 18:56.55 | prpplague | g1powermac_EPC: what would be interesting would be to make an adapter so you could use gameboy carts |
| 18:57.08 | g1powermac_EPC | has anyone attempted to get Xorg running on it? |
| 18:57.10 | g1powermac_EPC | oh |
| 18:57.14 | g1powermac_EPC | now thats an idea |
| 18:58.23 | prpplague | g1powermac_EPC: i hadn't looked to see what GUI it is using |
| 18:58.23 | g1powermac_EPC | does it have an sd slot? |
| 19:01.39 | prpplague | i don't have mine infront of me and it has been awhile since i looked, iirc it does not |
| 19:01.48 | g1powermac_EPC | ahh |
| 19:01.56 | prpplague | no reason it couldn't be converted over though |
| 19:02.01 | g1powermac_EPC | hmm, can get them on ebay for like $40 or so |
| 19:03.16 | g1powermac_EPC | meh, really should save for something a bit more practical. . .like something with gps in it already, could really use an in car navigation system ;-) |
| 19:03.29 | prpplague | http://andrey.thedotcommune.com/2008/11/didj-hacking.html |
| 19:04.02 | g1powermac_EPC | wonder how hackable that gps device theDarkAura talked about the other day is |
| 19:04.31 | g1powermac_EPC | obviously its linux capable since its running wince |
| 19:08.37 | prpplague | the didj is $49 at costco |
| 19:09.20 | g1powermac_EPC | hmm |
| 19:09.25 | prpplague | i still want to do a nice doc about how to convert one of those kids educational laptops into an arm laptop |
| 19:13.52 | chouimat|work | what kind of cpu in it |
| 19:14.22 | prpplague | chouimat|work: ARM926T 400MHz , Pollux |
| 19:14.32 | chouimat|work | hmmm |
| 19:14.42 | prpplague | chouimat|work: from magic eyes |
| 19:15.11 | chouimat|work | ok |
| 19:15.20 | prpplague | http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS4648734230.html |
| 19:16.02 | chouimat|work | look interesting |
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| 19:21.19 | _ABC | i understand that PHY means physical layer. so is an ethernet PHY simply a RJ45 jack with magnetics? |
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| 19:31.23 | likewise_ | _ABC: that's the electrical layer you are talking about |
| 19:31.55 | likewise_ | _ABC: PHY is the tranceiver part |
| 19:32.48 | _ABC | likewise_: oh? |
| 19:33.49 | _ABC | i find it hard to believe that most chips dont incorporate ethernet PHY |
| 19:34.56 | likewise_ | _ABC: most system-on-chips you mean? |
| 19:35.23 | _ABC | likewise_: yes |
| 19:35.34 | prpplague | _ABC: the phy generally has larger current requirements and can produce alot of heat |
| 19:35.48 | _ABC | prpplague: ooh no wonder.. |
| 19:37.25 | prpplague | _ABC: most ARM based SoC's are designed for mobile operations where wired ethernet isn't an issue |
| 19:37.34 | prpplague | _ABC: therefor the PHY isn't included |
| 19:38.05 | _ABC | prpplague: i see |
| 19:38.13 | _ABC | i am debating whether i should find a chip with ethernet PHY incorporated, or get uC with ethernet MAC + off chip PHY, or just a simple uC using SPI to communicate with another chip thats got MAC and PHY |
| 19:38.23 | prpplague | _ABC: on the other hand, many of the PPC and MIPS based SoC's are designed for embedded applications where there is a consistant power source and often using wired ethernet |
| 19:38.44 | prpplague | _ABC: it all depends on your ultimate goal |
| 19:39.04 | _ABC | prpplague: ahh i just found that freescale offers some chips with on chip PHY |
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| 19:39.20 | prpplague | _ABC: and arm based SoC might not be the best for a wired ethernet device |
| 19:39.28 | _ABC | prpplague: why not? |
| 19:39.57 | prpplague | _ABC: hehe i just explained why |
| 19:40.08 | pat123 | how's it going prpplague |
| 19:40.13 | prpplague | pat123: greetings |
| 19:40.34 | _ABC | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:41.10 | _ABC | the heat part you mean? |
| 19:41.53 | prpplague | _ABC: heat, power, and ease of use, if you know your going to use something that is network intensive, a MIPS or PPC SoC might be a better choice |
| 19:42.19 | prpplague | _ABC: again it all depends on what you want to accomplish |
| 19:42.47 | _ABC | prpplague: well i just want to make a simple webserver |
| 19:43.42 | _ABC | well...a server that does HTTP |
| 19:44.16 | prpplague | _ABC: as long as the bandwidth isn't much you can use some thing like the enc28j60 pretty easily |
| 19:45.09 | roxfan | http://www.freertos.org/index.html?http://www.freertos.org/embeddedtcp.html |
| 19:45.28 | _ABC | prpplague: mmm i saw that from tuxgraphics. though i am wondering if SPI might slow things down |
| 19:46.17 | _ABC | thanks for the link roxfan |
| 19:46.51 | prpplague | _ABC: if you are running a webserv on an arm core you probably are going to get that much bandwidth anyway, so 10MBit is plenty |
| 19:48.43 | _ABC | prpplague: alright. well i think i need to figure out what core i need to run it on.. |
| 19:48.59 | _ABC | more thinking! *YAY* |
| 19:49.17 | prpplague | _ABC: you might want to start by figuring out how much bandwidth your webserver is going to need |
| 19:49.27 | prpplague | _ABC: then work backwards from there |
| 19:50.12 | _ABC | prpplague: ok |
| 19:51.41 | _ABC | prpplague: thanks alot |
| 20:23.03 | prpplague | GPSFan: ping |
| 21:20.58 | likewise_ | _ABC: STM32 with FreeRTOS and lwIP. |
| 21:21.10 | likewise_ | _ABC: enc28j60 |
| 21:22.05 | likewise_ | _ABC: or a 100 Mbit DP8384C |
| 21:23.34 | _ABC | likewise_: the DP8384, eth PHY from national semiconductors right? |
| 21:23.43 | likewise_ | yup |
| 21:24.17 | likewise_ | _ABC: olimex.com has the dev boards for most |
| 21:24.38 | likewise_ | and there might be others |
| 21:25.02 | _ABC | mm ~$5.5 USD |
| 21:25.31 | _ABC | i found a PHY from mouser to be 2.28, LAN8700 |
| 21:26.30 | _ABC | MagJack from Sparkfun is only 1.95! |
| 21:27.19 | prpplague | _ABC: you can purchase a ENC28J60 module for under $30 iirc |
| 21:28.24 | _ABC | prpplague: i am trying to aim <$20.00 the total cost (including shipping) for this project |
| 21:30.04 | _ABC | seems a good deal now since from the uC+PHY+jack i found is only about $11 |
| 21:31.29 | prpplague | http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=8440 |
| 21:32.26 | _ABC | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:26.33 | ds2 | Hmmm |
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| 22:31.19 | rektide | i would really like to develop some PPC systems |
| 22:31.29 | rektide | the freescale PPC SoC's look asotunding |
| 22:31.32 | rektide | everything onboard |
| 22:31.46 | rektide | but they seem like they've been in hibernate mode for 18 months / 2 years |
| 22:31.56 | rektide | i just dont have the faith to think they'll continue to grow the platform |
| 22:32.01 | rektide | so frustrating |
| 22:32.05 | ds2 | good power management? :D |
| 22:32.43 | rektide | meh, so so. its no arm, but theres decent power management, and fundamentally its a system designed to be shuffling around a lot more data |
| 22:32.56 | rektide | its the same ip as goes into their switch hardware: bigass crossbars |
| 22:33.00 | ds2 | nevermind... bad pun |
| 22:33.09 | rektide | oh, i see |
| 22:33.25 | rektide | historically power meant "lots of it please" |
| 22:33.46 | ds2 | "hibernate mode for 18 months..." <--- PM |
| 22:33.55 | rektide | PM? |
| 22:34.28 | ds2 | Power Management |
| 22:35.17 | rektide | oh i thought you were just riffing on the name "power" pc |
| 22:35.26 | ds2 | :D |
| 22:37.05 | ds2 | you could find a mediamvp as a dev system |
| 22:38.27 | ds2 | > |
| 22:38.57 | rektide | whats the hardware? i havent seen those before. |
| 22:40.23 | ds2 | some IBM PPC core |
| 22:40.29 | rektide | gawd 405c ppc |
| 22:40.37 | rektide | legacy shit |
| 22:40.50 | rektide | i'd just buy a $500 dev board off avnet |
| 22:41.08 | g1powermac_EPC | hmm |
| 22:41.12 | ds2 | MediaMVP's go for <$50 or used to |
| 22:41.15 | g1powermac_EPC | almost cooked his eeepc |
| 22:41.23 | ds2 | what did you do? |
| 22:41.28 | g1powermac_EPC | for some reason the fan control module stopped working |
| 22:41.39 | ds2 | that should be automatic |
| 22:41.42 | g1powermac_EPC | it got over 170F |
| 22:41.56 | g1powermac_EPC | should be till the module stops working |
| 22:42.10 | ds2 | yikes |
| 22:43.35 | g1powermac_EPC | seems there is no hw override when the software has a bug |
| 22:45.17 | rektide | http://is.gd/14LvE |
| 22:45.23 | rektide | the ppc i'd like to work with |
| 22:45.42 | g1powermac_EPC | luckily after two restarts (first restart after the usb didn't want to work), everything seems to work fine |
| 22:53.14 | rektide | sata, gigabit, crypto |
| 22:53.38 | rektide | pci-e |
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| 22:56.03 | rektide | my big question is really what i need to do with pins i dont care about |
| 22:56.11 | g1powermac_EPC | hrm, fan module locked up again |
| 22:56.41 | rektide | a lot of freescale cpu's have both pcie and pci, but i really dont care at all about pci. do i still have to take all 40-whatever pins out off the cpu & terminate them &c ? |
| 22:56.53 | ds2 | I know the perfect one but I can'ttalk about it |
| 22:57.17 | ds2 | of all the platforms, PPC Linux seems to be the weirdest |
| 22:58.52 | rektide | x86 is not SoC, and ARM is not performance oriented enough |
| 22:58.52 | rektide | theres really very little middle ground |
| 22:59.34 | _ABC | rektide: woa! did i hear pcie, sata from freescales ppc cpus? |
| 23:00.40 | rektide | uhhh yeah |
| 23:00.48 | rektide | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:01.10 | _ABC | incredible..like a computer all shrinked into the package of a chip |
| 23:01.17 | rektide | SoC |
| 23:01.21 | ds2 | what about MIPS? |
| 23:01.35 | rektide | i dont know enough about mips offers |
| 23:01.38 | rektide | offerings |
| 23:02.11 | rektide | there are some very cool cpus, multicore w/ big pipes, power efficient, but they look like the $600/unit type, and the "no way in hell are you getting docs" type |
| 23:02.29 | rektide | but again, i dont know MIPS space very well, what players there are |
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