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| 01:09.49 | roxfan | rektide: there's also this http://www.globalscaletechnologies.com/t-openrdbdetails.aspx |
| 01:11.05 | Madsy | roxfan: Wow.. you're up late :-) |
| 01:11.23 | Madsy | Either that, or you live in the US. |
| 01:11.35 | roxfan | pfft that's not late |
| 01:12.05 | Madsy | 3 AM here. |
| 01:12.08 | Madsy | CET |
| 01:12.24 | g1powermac_EPC | Madsy, hey, he could be canadian too ;-) |
| 01:12.55 | Madsy | Yeah, I didn't mean to exclude Alaska or the south american continent ;-) |
| 01:13.52 | g1powermac_EPC | you can exclude california though. . .they'll be in their own time zone soon ;-) |
| 01:17.47 | solar | 6:17 in cali |
| 01:18.12 | solar | and the weather is outstanding. A nice 72F |
| 01:19.52 | g1powermac_EPC | 79F here and its 9:20 :-) |
| 01:20.10 | rektide | "Get a Quote" |
| 01:20.12 | rektide | noooo thanks |
| 01:20.25 | rektide | too much |
| 01:20.29 | g1powermac_EPC | actually, it finally cooled down quite nicely |
| 01:20.36 | g1powermac_EPC | it was way too humid for most of the day |
| 01:21.26 | rektide | ahh it just wasnt showing the price on that page. $150 for a sata port... probably worth the $50 price |
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| 01:26.31 | solar | 53% humidity here. |
| 01:26.51 | solar | I never thought I'd like california. |
| 01:27.20 | g1powermac_EPC | wants to live in the northeast one day. . .Maine or near there |
| 01:27.21 | solar | but this is the best weather I've ever lived in. Winters don't get too cold. Summer does not get too hit. |
| 01:27.49 | solar | never so humid that you have to take multi-showers just to keep cool |
| 01:28.04 | g1powermac_EPC | I don't mind the cold, its the humidity thats a killer out here |
| 01:28.05 | solar | vermont might be cool. |
| 01:28.32 | solar | the people seem very open minded. Not sure about working. But living and raising kids it seems kinda ideal |
| 01:28.32 | g1powermac_EPC | I can't imagine what it would be like in the more southern states, especially the gulf states |
| 01:28.40 | g1powermac_EPC | yea |
| 01:28.45 | g1powermac_EPC | awesome area up there |
| 01:28.55 | solar | I did Savannah GA for four years |
| 01:29.04 | solar | it was.. |
| 01:29.04 | g1powermac_EPC | ahh |
| 01:29.13 | g1powermac_EPC | brutal? |
| 01:29.18 | solar | I should stick with saying nice things. |
| 01:29.25 | solar | so I'll shutup about GA |
| 01:29.25 | g1powermac_EPC | hehe |
| 01:29.48 | g1powermac_EPC | has only 'lived' in NJ and KY, though I've visited quite a few other states |
| 01:30.23 | solar | naa. It was hot and had a tad too much violence |
| 01:30.57 | g1powermac_EPC | I loved living almost right on the coast in NJ |
| 01:31.20 | g1powermac_EPC | was only a few blocks from the local bay and maybe a mile from the actual ocean |
| 01:31.31 | solar | yeah. I like no matter what to be within 1 hr of an ocean |
| 01:32.03 | g1powermac_EPC | of course in NJ, just being one mile from the ocean doesn't mean you can get to it in under an hour. . . |
| 01:32.06 | solar | lived in maryland and DC for 20ish years also. |
| 01:32.26 | solar | think I'm pretty much done with the entire east coast. |
| 01:32.34 | g1powermac_EPC | friday night/saturday morning in the summer with good weather, forget it, might as well stay in your house |
| 01:32.50 | g1powermac_EPC | cause all the major roads are jammed |
| 01:33.06 | solar | I do miss the thunderstorms |
| 01:33.17 | g1powermac_EPC | mmm, thunderstorms |
| 01:33.25 | g1powermac_EPC | used to like them till two things |
| 01:33.32 | g1powermac_EPC | one, my dogs go nuts |
| 01:33.42 | solar | I've not seen lighting or heard any thunder out here ever |
| 01:33.50 | solar | cali or oregon for that matter |
| 01:33.51 | g1powermac_EPC | two, we got an extensive garden, hate to see it get pummeled |
| 01:34.37 | solar | that is the one thing that is a real downer about this place. Being that weather is nearly always perfect. It's overcrowed. Thus land is overpriced |
| 01:34.49 | g1powermac_EPC | actually lived through a tornado once |
| 01:35.00 | g1powermac_EPC | went pretty much right in front of our house |
| 01:35.02 | solar | big twister or little one? |
| 01:35.06 | g1powermac_EPC | little NJ one |
| 01:35.16 | g1powermac_EPC | it scared the crap out of my mom though ;-) |
| 01:35.36 | solar | powerful enough to pick up cars or throw a bunch of stuff around? |
| 01:35.39 | g1powermac_EPC | it did cause quite a bit of damage though, knocked down a ton of trees |
| 01:35.45 | g1powermac_EPC | taking out all the power lines |
| 01:35.54 | g1powermac_EPC | had to live in a hotel for a week |
| 01:36.05 | solar | bummer |
| 01:36.09 | g1powermac_EPC | since we had well water and without electricity for the pump, we had no water |
| 01:36.31 | solar | hope you learned that 'solar' is where it's at :) |
| 01:36.53 | g1powermac_EPC | interestingly enough, our house was completely spared any damage |
| 01:37.02 | g1powermac_EPC | just a down tree in the yard I think |
| 01:37.10 | solar | just no water so had to do the hotel? |
| 01:37.14 | g1powermac_EPC | hehe, for sure, but i was only like 3 years old at the time :-) |
| 01:37.15 | solar | or safety concerns? |
| 01:37.19 | solar | oh |
| 01:37.33 | g1powermac_EPC | I think it was just for the water |
| 01:37.43 | g1powermac_EPC | can't tell ya for sure |
| 01:39.19 | g1powermac_EPC | it was one of these from 1989: http://www.tornadoproject.com/alltorns/njtorn.htm |
| 01:39.36 | g1powermac_EPC | seems 1989 was quite an active tornado season for NJ |
| 01:40.29 | g1powermac_EPC | oh, this could be why: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1989_Northeastern_United_States_tornado_outbreak |
| 01:42.23 | g1powermac_EPC | oh yea, I was living in Bergen county at the time. . .err, was it Passaic, meh, close enough |
| 01:42.50 | g1powermac_EPC | moved many times around that area during my early childhood |
| 01:44.43 | solar | I moved every 2-3 years my entire childhood |
| 01:45.08 | solar | it was anoying to never really get settled/established in any school/social setting |
| 01:45.08 | g1powermac_EPC | yup, same here |
| 01:45.25 | g1powermac_EPC | heh, schooling me was a total pain ;-) |
| 01:45.47 | g1powermac_EPC | my parents had me in and out of schools till about fourth grade when my mom finally decided to home school me |
| 01:45.48 | solar | I never liked computers then. |
| 01:46.29 | solar | not really till the late windows-3.1 days did I first show any sign of interest. And then it was only cuz it could play chess with me |
| 01:46.42 | g1powermac_EPC | awesome home schooling system too, it was basically a correspondance type school where they sent vhs tapes of real classrooms for me to watch |
| 01:47.06 | g1powermac_EPC | so i could fast forward through the crap and rewatch what I needed :-) |
| 01:47.27 | solar | that would be helpful |
| 01:47.49 | g1powermac_EPC | I didn't get into computers much till the win98 days |
| 01:48.01 | g1powermac_EPC | though I was still very technically savvy |
| 01:48.16 | solar | It did not take long for me. |
| 01:48.33 | g1powermac_EPC | helped the teachers setup computers and such even though I really didn't have one of my own |
| 01:48.48 | solar | around 95 when quake came out. That is when I first said. Ok computers are cool |
| 01:49.09 | solar | but I wanted to know right away how to automate stuff |
| 01:49.12 | g1powermac_EPC | I did get to play with my mom's macs as she was a graphic designer who did book covers |
| 01:49.37 | solar | sure. I recall many of the older systems ppl like to brag about (they were BORING!) |
| 01:49.55 | g1powermac_EPC | we then got a win95 machine, but about a year later it died |
| 01:50.25 | g1powermac_EPC | eventually we got a win98 compaq with one of them AOL deals they did back then |
| 01:50.57 | g1powermac_EPC | and then we got notice that we actually took out an extended warrantee on the win95 machine and could have gotten it fixed two years ago ;-) |
| 01:51.14 | solar | heh |
| 01:51.26 | g1powermac_EPC | it really died though, total mobo failure |
| 01:51.48 | g1powermac_EPC | good ole' HP for ya ;-) |
| 01:53.00 | g1powermac_EPC | later we got a dell that came with XP. . .never had to replace so many parts on a computer before that one |
| 01:53.23 | g1powermac_EPC | pretty much the entire system was rebuilt |
| 01:53.40 | g1powermac_EPC | which is why I never buy dell anymore |
| 01:54.19 | g1powermac_EPC | then I got the macs I have now and the proliferation of other machines, more numerous than a small computer lab |
| 01:55.46 | g1powermac_EPC | anyway |
| 01:59.31 | solar | yeah |
| 01:59.50 | solar | We had to lay more people off monday |
| 02:00.02 | solar | and I fear we might be going out of bussiness soon |
| 02:00.30 | solar | our CFO is on the hunt for excess servers to sell. |
| 02:00.52 | solar | we have like 40 1U dell pizza boxes to get rid of. |
| 02:01.29 | solar | I can probably inherit half of them for free. But I really can't afford the power or have a need for such a thing now. |
| 02:01.38 | solar | Unless I buy cabinet space. |
| 02:01.39 | solar | hrmm |
| 02:05.36 | g1powermac_EPC | hmm |
| 02:06.14 | g1powermac_EPC | if you do get some of them and don't want all of them. . .I'd take a few off your hands :-) |
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| 13:31.46 | prpplague | GPSFan: yea, the openocd has gone complete into the toilet |
| 13:31.56 | prpplague | GPSFan: people have run amok doing whatever they want |
| 13:32.09 | prpplague | GPSFan: the simplicity of the tool is completely gone |
| 13:33.10 | prpplague | ~seen drath |
| 13:33.13 | purl | drath <n=vmaster@p5B07C99D.dip.t-dialin.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #openjtag, 191d 17h 47m 44s ago, saying: 'bye'. |
| 14:01.21 | prpplague | is completely disgusted at the current state of openocd |
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| 14:23.54 | Mirell | Mmm, Chicago. |
| 14:24.34 | prpplague | Mirell: ?? |
| 14:25.56 | Mirell | prpplague: In Chicago currently for a Lego convention. |
| 14:26.26 | prpplague | Mirell: Lego convention? how the heck do you get to attend that? |
| 14:26.40 | g1powermac_EPC | and why didn't I know about lego conventions. . . |
| 14:26.42 | g1powermac_EPC | ;-) |
| 14:26.49 | prpplague | Mirell: not a big fan of chicago though |
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| 14:27.00 | chouimat|work | morning |
| 14:27.00 | g1powermac_EPC | morning prpplague |
| 14:27.09 | prpplague | g1powermac_EPC: greetings |
| 14:27.12 | prpplague | chouimat|work: greetings |
| 14:27.31 | g1powermac_EPC | prpplague, I almost cooked my eeepc yesterday |
| 14:27.35 | Mirell | prpplague: I attended it by paying for it? :D |
| 14:28.02 | prpplague | interesting |
| 14:28.26 | g1powermac_EPC | prpplague, the fan control kernel module stopped working and the fan then stayed at the same low rpm even though it reached over 170F. . . |
| 14:28.41 | prpplague | g1powermac_EPC: doh |
| 14:28.55 | g1powermac_EPC | I'm surprised it didn't do an emergency shutdown |
| 14:29.33 | g1powermac_EPC | at this point, I've been somewhat disappointed with linux support on the eee |
| 14:29.47 | g1powermac_EPC | too many almost fatal issues like this |
| 14:32.43 | chouimat|work | g1powermac_EPC: still using the xandros crap on it |
| 14:32.44 | chouimat|work | ? |
| 14:32.51 | g1powermac_EPC | no, eeebuntu |
| 14:33.08 | g1powermac_EPC | this system actually came with winxp, I'm dual booting it |
| 14:33.34 | Mirell | Man, thank god for my cell card. They want $15 a day for the wireless here |
| 14:33.52 | chouimat|work | g1powermac_EPC: ok ... mine came with xandros and I ditched it for my own built stuff ... I hate xandros ... really bad memories of the 6 months I worked there |
| 14:34.23 | g1powermac_EPC | heh |
| 14:34.25 | prpplague | Mirell: i've not been to a single conference in 7 years |
| 14:34.34 | g1powermac_EPC | I just wish the drivers worked better |
| 14:34.53 | g1powermac_EPC | between the fan, audio, and a few other annoying things |
| 14:35.10 | Mirell | prpplague: Why not? |
| 14:35.18 | Mirell | prpplague: Even fan run events? |
| 14:35.26 | prpplague | Mirell: AML doesn't pay for conferences or provide for time off |
| 14:35.28 | g1powermac_EPC | and unfortunately I don't think its going to improve much between distros |
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| 14:51.30 | bsdfox__ | chouimat|work: 76*C isn't THAT hot for a laptop cpu |
| 14:53.20 | g1powermac_EPC | bsdfox__, it got more toward 78C |
| 14:53.44 | g1powermac_EPC | but either way, it shouldn't have if the fan kernel module didn't die |
| 14:54.46 | bsdfox__ | did you debug it at all? |
| 14:55.36 | g1powermac_EPC | not at the time, was more concerned about shutting it down |
| 14:55.56 | g1powermac_EPC | when it freezes again, I'll check it out |
| 14:56.25 | bsdfox__ | I'd be rather surprised if a kernel module is solely responsible for the fan speed control |
| 14:56.59 | tehDarkAura | i think syslinux stops the fan controller on certain dell machines |
| 14:57.16 | mnemoc | o.o |
| 14:59.25 | tehDarkAura | might of only effected the GPU fan if i remember right |
| 14:59.52 | mnemoc | you can find hpa at #syslinux |
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| 15:18.57 | prpplague | GPSFan: lordy lordy |
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| 15:21.00 | prpplague | ~lart kergoth |
| 15:21.00 | purl | cats /dev/urandom into kergoth's ear |
| 15:21.17 | prpplague | kergoth: take that |
| 15:21.20 | kergoth | morning |
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| 15:24.53 | prpplague | workrat: greetings |
| 15:25.04 | workrat | good morning |
| 15:25.56 | prpplague | workrat: i saw you relative at the Chinese Buffet yesterday.... cookedrat |
| 15:26.10 | workrat | haha |
| 15:26.27 | workrat | hes always getting into trouble |
| 15:35.09 | prpplague | hehe |
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| 15:49.36 | g1powermac_EPC | hrm, massive severe thunderstorm. . . |
| 15:49.59 | g1powermac_EPC | man, tons of lightning |
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| 16:26.58 | prpplague | ho ho hum |
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| 16:40.09 | adyer | prpplague: how goes the job hunt? |
| 16:41.08 | prpplague | adyer: got an offer today, but it would mean i would have to move |
| 16:42.16 | adyer | prpplague: to where? |
| 16:42.32 | prpplague | adyer: can't say, under NDA |
| 16:42.52 | prpplague | adyer: oh you mean physical location? south carolina |
| 16:44.40 | g1powermac_EPC | prpplague, we can use a manager if you're willing to move to KY :-) |
| 16:45.01 | prpplague | uh no..... |
| 16:45.24 | g1powermac_EPC | then i can finally detach myself completely from the store as we'd have a really technical competent manager ;-) |
| 16:47.41 | g1powermac_EPC | prpplague, we can start you with a really good KY salary ;-) |
| 16:48.08 | g1powermac_EPC | which means you'd have to find prolly three other jobs ;-) |
| 16:48.15 | prpplague | g1powermac_EPC: moonshine and grill possum doesn't qualify as good pay |
| 16:48.45 | g1powermac_EPC | nah, not grilled possum, we don't carry that, only grilled worn shoe leather ;-) |
| 16:49.59 | g1powermac_EPC | just think, you'd get to work 70 hours a week and still be able to afford a house! ;-) |
| 16:50.55 | g1powermac_EPC | (on more serious note, we actually do pay our employees considerably more than most retail outlets, its quite bad how poorly they're paid out here) |
| 16:51.12 | bsdfox__ | what's minimum wage out there |
| 16:51.45 | g1powermac_EPC | I know it was around $5.50 a year or so ago, but it did go up just recently |
| 16:52.06 | tehDarkAura | it's 6.75 here now |
| 16:52.22 | tehDarkAura | (boston, MA) |
| 16:52.33 | g1powermac_EPC | ahh, its $6.55 right now |
| 16:52.56 | g1powermac_EPC | woah, they're planning to jump it to $7.25 this year |
| 16:53.15 | tehDarkAura | i don't see how anyone can live on 6.75 an hour :( |
| 16:53.26 | tehDarkAura | even a family of four ALL working ;) |
| 16:53.28 | g1powermac_EPC | watches as all the fast food restaurants and other local businesses close up. . . |
| 16:53.35 | g1powermac_EPC | in protest |
| 16:53.57 | g1powermac_EPC | it wasn't pretty with the last increase |
| 16:54.17 | g1powermac_EPC | and with the just recent hike in cigarette taxes. . . |
| 16:54.58 | prpplague | tehDarkAura: thats why they call it minimum wage |
| 16:55.26 | g1powermac_EPC | still no protection on overtime yet here in this state |
| 16:55.32 | bsdfox__ | it's either $8.25 or $8.75 here |
| 16:55.49 | g1powermac_EPC | if you work retail, you don't get time and a half if you go over 40 hours |
| 16:56.53 | tehDarkAura | wow |
| 16:57.21 | g1powermac_EPC | yup |
| 16:57.41 | tehDarkAura | here you get OT unless you are a manager who creates his own schedule |
| 16:58.09 | g1powermac_EPC | yea, got that here as well since management is salary and not hourly |
| 16:59.57 | g1powermac_EPC | should be interesting with this raise in minimum wage which is scheduled just two weeks away |
| 17:00.34 | tehDarkAura | soon there will be government health care :) |
| 17:00.52 | tehDarkAura | that will take a huge burden off small business |
| 17:00.57 | g1powermac_EPC | hah, no |
| 17:01.13 | g1powermac_EPC | where do you think that money will be coming from to cover the health care? |
| 17:01.29 | tehDarkAura | idk, taxes on wages? |
| 17:01.44 | tehDarkAura | good their going up :) |
| 17:01.54 | g1powermac_EPC | its friekin unbelievable how much more businesses are taxed compared to standard personal taxes |
| 17:01.55 | tehDarkAura | they're * |
| 17:01.57 | tehDarkAura | XD |
| 17:02.14 | tehDarkAura | there should be no personal income tax for hours worked |
| 17:02.19 | g1powermac_EPC | for alot of the taxes you pay out personally, we have to match |
| 17:02.33 | tehDarkAura | so it makes sense that you charge the legitimate taxed group a higher rate |
| 17:02.34 | g1powermac_EPC | so for each of our employees, we have to match out in taxes in what they pay |
| 17:02.56 | g1powermac_EPC | so the gov't gets it from both sides |
| 17:03.08 | tehDarkAura | it's good :) |
| 17:03.21 | tehDarkAura | otherwise it would ALL be on the businesses |
| 17:03.27 | g1powermac_EPC | then, if we make any profit, the business has to pay business tax on it and then we as the owners have to pay personal income tax on the profit |
| 17:04.15 | g1powermac_EPC | the best part too is the accounting issues of what 'profit' really is |
| 17:04.28 | tehDarkAura | hehehe |
| 17:04.37 | prpplague | so basically, if you run a business, you end up paying around 40 to 50% taxes |
| 17:04.42 | g1powermac_EPC | ok, so you take out all the deductions and expenses and you're left with a net profit |
| 17:04.49 | prpplague | there are a few places you pay taxes on your taxes |
| 17:05.08 | g1powermac_EPC | but you used all that money to buy capital (ie shoes in our case) to fill the store up more |
| 17:05.35 | g1powermac_EPC | now since capital isn't an expense but only just a transfer a wealth, you can't write it off your profit |
| 17:05.49 | g1powermac_EPC | so you're taxed on it, even though you never spent it outside your own store |
| 17:05.58 | bsdfox__ | the US is still one of the cheapest places to run a business |
| 17:06.20 | bsdfox__ | cause if you make money you don't really pay lots of taxes out of pocket |
| 17:06.31 | g1powermac_EPC | ehm |
| 17:06.38 | tehDarkAura | you can show a certain percentage of loss for the stock on hand can't you ? |
| 17:06.51 | prpplague | bsdfox__: i disagree with that alot |
| 17:06.58 | bsdfox__ | prpplague: talk to warren buffett |
| 17:07.00 | g1powermac_EPC | tehDarkAura, thats only if you take inventory and see a shrinkage |
| 17:07.08 | tehDarkAura | ohh |
| 17:07.12 | g1powermac_EPC | bsdfox__, maybe for large business |
| 17:07.12 | bsdfox__ | he says it's absurd how little taxes he pays |
| 17:07.29 | prpplague | bsdfox__: don't have to, i've lived overseas in a number of places, the regulations in the US are killing business |
| 17:07.50 | g1powermac_EPC | tehDarkAura, we also have to pay inane local taxes |
| 17:08.05 | g1powermac_EPC | tehDarkAura, they charge us taxes on the worth of our capital, ie shoes |
| 17:08.22 | tehDarkAura | :( |
| 17:08.31 | prpplague | my favorite tax is property taxes, i love paying for illegal mexicans to have free education |
| 17:08.35 | g1powermac_EPC | so lets say you have $500k worth of shoes, you have to pay a percentage of that to the county every year |
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| 17:08.52 | tehDarkAura | why do they have to be mexicans prpplague?? |
| 17:08.54 | tehDarkAura | ;) |
| 17:09.00 | bsdfox__ | we have prop 13 here so you can't get boned that bad on property taxes |
| 17:09.15 | g1powermac_EPC | prpplague, heh, real estate property taxes are actually insanely low here |
| 17:09.22 | prpplague | tehDarkAura: illegals aliens period, just so happens we have a ton of illegal mexicans |
| 17:09.40 | bsdfox__ | what state are you in prpplague |
| 17:09.42 | g1powermac_EPC | prpplague, they tax your phone bills instead for school tax |
| 17:09.51 | prpplague | is all for the use of RFID chips with C4 implants to be used on illegals |
| 17:09.56 | prpplague | texas |
| 17:10.14 | tehDarkAura | bites lip ;) |
| 17:10.20 | g1powermac_EPC | we have crazy expensive phone bills here |
| 17:10.26 | prpplague | tehDarkAura: ?? |
| 17:10.42 | tehDarkAura | i lived in college station for 4 years or so ;) |
| 17:10.57 | g1powermac_EPC | though that could be from the monopolistic at&t too. . . |
| 17:11.05 | tehDarkAura | you attitude is def the norm down there |
| 17:11.19 | prpplague | tehDarkAura: yep |
| 17:12.03 | g1powermac_EPC | we don't have a huge population of illegals here in KY, though there is definitely some |
| 17:12.45 | prpplague | tehDarkAura: as far as i am concerned, if you get caught, you are deported and you get caught a second time, you shoot be shot on the spot |
| 17:13.02 | prpplague | s/shoot/should |
| 17:13.04 | tehDarkAura | that's awfully hateful >:/ |
| 17:13.09 | g1powermac_EPC | I think we're about the northern limit for them, any further north and it be too cold for them ;-) |
| 17:13.33 | prpplague | tehDarkAura: nope, |
| 17:13.46 | prpplague | tehDarkAura: it's protecting our borders |
| 17:13.47 | tehDarkAura | what are they doing to you? |
| 17:14.08 | g1powermac_EPC | ehm, using our resources without paying our taxes? |
| 17:14.11 | tehDarkAura | taking all the landscape and farm-hand jobs you've been applying for? |
| 17:14.17 | tehDarkAura | lol |
| 17:14.28 | g1powermac_EPC | heck, make them legal just so they pay taxes, dang it |
| 17:14.30 | tehDarkAura | most of them pay taxes with no hope of ever reaping the benifit |
| 17:14.47 | g1powermac_EPC | most do not pay taxes |
| 17:14.54 | prpplague | 1) getting free health care(which i don't) 2) free food(food stamps which i don't), 3) free school which i pay for and down grades my childrens education 4) they don't get drivers licenses and cause wrecks 5) since they don't have drivers license they have no insurance |
| 17:14.59 | g1powermac_EPC | they're always paid under the table |
| 17:15.04 | tehDarkAura | not true, most have to use fake SS#'s |
| 17:15.04 | prpplague | 6) they work for cash and don't pay taxes |
| 17:15.21 | bsdfox__ | haha bs tehDarkAura |
| 17:15.31 | tehDarkAura | you don't know :) |
| 17:15.34 | g1powermac_EPC | not for them landscaping jobs you talk about |
| 17:15.38 | bsdfox__ | I do know. I live in california |
| 17:15.43 | g1powermac_EPC | or brick layers, which is quite popular here |
| 17:15.50 | tehDarkAura | i personally know quite a few people here without papers |
| 17:16.22 | prpplague | tehDarkAura: we have had 17 wrong way driving accidents in the last 6 months in the DFW are with 32 people killed, 14 of the 17 were cause by illegals who did not have a drivers license |
| 17:16.29 | g1powermac_EPC | before we opened our shoe store, we had done a big booth in the local flea market |
| 17:16.56 | prpplague | tehDarkAura: hehe, don't tell me who they are, because i'll call ICE |
| 17:16.59 | g1powermac_EPC | which was always jammed with questionably legal status residents |
| 17:17.12 | tehDarkAura | you make it so they can't get what they need and then your surprised when they don't have it |
| 17:17.25 | tehDarkAura | the way i see it |
| 17:17.31 | g1powermac_EPC | and they absolutely always paid in cash, wads of it |
| 17:17.32 | prpplague | tehDarkAura: they need? they shouldn't be here! |
| 17:17.33 | bsdfox__ | tehDarkAura: you can get insurance without registration or license |
| 17:17.48 | tehDarkAura | wads of cash??! |
| 17:17.49 | tehDarkAura | lol |
| 17:17.51 | prpplague | tehDarkAura: come here LEGALLY and you can get what you need |
| 17:17.52 | g1powermac_EPC | yes |
| 17:18.15 | g1powermac_EPC | and from talking with them, many just send the money back to mexico |
| 17:18.28 | tehDarkAura | many do, yup |
| 17:18.34 | g1powermac_EPC | or they go back for the winter |
| 17:19.06 | tehDarkAura | but they are far from ridding fat |
| 17:19.23 | tehDarkAura | those people work hours and do things that would kill you or i |
| 17:19.28 | g1powermac_EPC | personally, my stance of it is this, make them legal, make them pay taxes, and they can then enjoy the services of our country |
| 17:19.38 | tehDarkAura | i agree |
| 17:19.55 | g1powermac_EPC | yea, I know they do the hardest labor, I'm just making a point :-) |
| 17:20.13 | tehDarkAura | i even see the benifit of making the first generation have to pay but limit what they get in return |
| 17:20.39 | prpplague | g1powermac_EPC: see i disagree, living in the US is a privilage for a non US citizen, not a right, and to reward people for breaking the law, is just plain wrong |
| 17:21.27 | g1powermac_EPC | prpplague, true, but at this point, we're swarmed with them, spending the money to completely secure the border and deport all will not be worth it |
| 17:21.33 | tehDarkAura | hehe, if the US had no jobs (maybe true in the near future) and you wanted to feed your children would you conssider working in canada to get them some food? |
| 17:22.02 | tehDarkAura | even if canada didn't give you the papers you needed? |
| 17:22.23 | g1powermac_EPC | prpplague, let the gov't make some money off of them so they stop hiking taxes on us small business people. . . |
| 17:22.24 | prpplague | tehDarkAura: uh no |
| 17:22.27 | tehDarkAura | lol |
| 17:22.28 | prpplague | tehDarkAura: not illegaly |
| 17:22.41 | tehDarkAura | your poor kids ;) |
| 17:22.56 | prpplague | tehDarkAura: don't give me that, i spent 3 years, 8 months and 24 days trying to bring my wife and kids to the US LEGALLY |
| 17:22.59 | tehDarkAura | gonna be all belly protruding and fly bitten in now time :p |
| 17:23.11 | prpplague | tehDarkAura: you live as an exile from the US for that time, then you can comment |
| 17:23.12 | tehDarkAura | good for you :) |
| 17:23.31 | tehDarkAura | i was born abroad actually :) |
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| 17:23.43 | g1powermac_EPC | is still waiting how the gov't is gonna pay for all the bailouts. . . |
| 17:25.40 | g1powermac_EPC | though I guess if everyone buys a GM car. . .the gov't might make a profit on it |
| 17:25.50 | tehDarkAura | DRIVE US |
| 17:25.51 | tehDarkAura | ;) |
| 17:26.10 | prpplague | tehDarkAura: i could have just as easily brought my family to the US illegal, even easier, but the _right_ thing is follow the laws. you can't have it both ways, if you want to come to the US as a land of opportunity, you have to follow the rules/laws that make it so |
| 17:26.30 | tehDarkAura | i belive you should follow the laws too |
| 17:26.59 | bsdfox__ | g1powermac_EPC: the government isn't going to pay for it |
| 17:27.01 | tehDarkAura | but i understand that rules are not as important as feeding a family |
| 17:27.14 | bsdfox__ | I think you're under the impression that the government makes money? |
| 17:27.20 | g1powermac_EPC | bsdfox__, of course, they're going to make someone else pay for it |
| 17:27.36 | bsdfox__ | you, me, everyone else that pays taxes.. |
| 17:28.00 | g1powermac_EPC | or unless they devalue the dollar some more |
| 17:28.07 | prpplague | tehDarkAura: well, if you are willing to break the law, you have to be prepared for the consequences, not rewarded for it |
| 17:28.12 | g1powermac_EPC | by borrowing or printing |
| 17:28.36 | prpplague | bsdfox__: right now the treasure is printing money like crazy |
| 17:28.43 | tehDarkAura | i don't see paying taxes as a reward :) |
| 17:28.54 | bsdfox__ | prpplague: that doesn't magically reduce the debt |
| 17:29.28 | prpplague | tehDarkAura: legalization of status is a reward |
| 17:29.28 | bsdfox__ | it just means that china isn't gonna want us dollars anymore |
| 17:29.28 | g1powermac_EPC | no, it just devalues the dollar |
| 17:29.28 | prpplague | bsdfox__: agreed, the money that is printed is backed by treasure notes sold to china |
| 17:29.29 | g1powermac_EPC | which will eventually lead us to massive inflation once the economy starts going up again |
| 17:29.34 | prpplague | exactly |
| 17:29.49 | mnemoc | at least the dollar exchange rate hasn't fall much (I live in europe with a fixed salary in dollars) |
| 17:29.59 | g1powermac_EPC | yet |
| 17:30.12 | g1powermac_EPC | the writing is on the walls, its coming eventually |
| 17:30.16 | tehDarkAura | hehe keep that job mnemoc ;) |
| 17:30.29 | g1powermac_EPC | luckily we have all our money in hard goods and not paper currency |
| 17:30.51 | g1powermac_EPC | when prices skyrocket, we can sell our shoes at a nice profit ;-) |
| 17:31.03 | prpplague | tehDarkAura: if the police caught a shop lifter still stuff, and the theif told them that they were steal to feed their kids, you think they'd say "oh we are so sorry, your intentions were good, so just keep that stuff and go about your business" |
| 17:31.13 | prpplague | s/still/stealing |
| 17:32.12 | g1powermac_EPC | inflation works quite nicely to the advantage of store owners who have a lot of capital of goods bought when prices were cheaper |
| 17:32.32 | g1powermac_EPC | deflation sucks though, which we've had to deal with during the past few months |
| 17:32.47 | bsdfox__ | g1powermac_EPC: the buying power should be the same |
| 17:33.25 | g1powermac_EPC | bsdfox__, not exactly, the goods were bought, with lets say, dollars valued during 2008 |
| 17:33.56 | bsdfox__ | pancakes at ihop cost $9 now |
| 17:34.13 | g1powermac_EPC | then inflation hits in, lets say 2010, we will be able to charge more for the shoes while at the same time not being charged more from our vendors till we have to buy more from them |
| 17:34.16 | prpplague | tehDarkAura: you'll have to excuse me, i did not intend on getting too political with the conversation, however illegal immigration is a particularly passionate item for me due to my person experience of bringing my family to the US |
| 17:34.53 | bsdfox__ | g1powermac_EPC: right. but can you really buy much more stuff with the additional dollars? |
| 17:35.03 | bsdfox__ | besides fuel price differences from a year ago til now |
| 17:35.19 | g1powermac_EPC | well, we'd be able to make more profit than if we bought the shoes in 2010 |
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| 17:35.36 | bsdfox__ | it's all relative though |
| 17:36.24 | bsdfox__ | in germany if you held onto your shoes for a year you could have purchased them for 50 deutschmark and sold them a year later for 100000 deutschmark |
| 17:36.27 | g1powermac_EPC | not exactly, we have a higher profit margin |
| 17:38.00 | g1powermac_EPC | yea, but if you were to buy your shoes this year, it would cost 50,000 |
| 17:38.13 | g1powermac_EPC | for wholesale |
| 17:38.28 | g1powermac_EPC | and you could then retail them for 100,000 retail |
| 17:39.14 | g1powermac_EPC | but, if you bought them the year previously for 50 wholesale, you could then mark them up at the going rate of 100,000 and make 99,950 instead of only 50,000 |
| 17:39.37 | tehDarkAura | prpplague: np :) i could talk about it all day too :) -- i just went AFK for a bit to fix something |
| 17:39.57 | g1powermac_EPC | and that is how you take advantage of inflation with physical goods :-) |
| 17:40.27 | bsdfox__ | you're certainly missing the point g1powermac_EPC |
| 17:40.44 | g1powermac_EPC | how so? |
| 17:40.58 | bsdfox__ | because you could buy 10 hamburgers for 50 last year |
| 17:41.04 | g1powermac_EPC | its all about when you purchased the shoes |
| 17:41.08 | bsdfox__ | and you can buy 10 hamburgers for 50000 this year |
| 17:41.15 | g1powermac_EPC | yea, and of course that goes up as well |
| 17:41.22 | g1powermac_EPC | however, look at the profit here |
| 17:41.26 | tehDarkAura | those must be some might fine burgers :p~ |
| 17:41.41 | g1powermac_EPC | lets say you bought the shoes at 50 last year, but sold them as usualy for 100 that same year |
| 17:41.46 | g1powermac_EPC | you only made 50 |
| 17:41.52 | bsdfox__ | 10 hamburgers you mean |
| 17:41.57 | tehDarkAura | lol |
| 17:42.12 | bsdfox__ | arbitrary values don't mean anything. it's all about purchasing power |
| 17:42.24 | g1powermac_EPC | now, this year you bought the shoes for 50,000 and sold them for 100,000 for a profit of 50,000 |
| 17:42.33 | bsdfox__ | 10 hamburgers profit |
| 17:42.49 | g1powermac_EPC | and that is exactly what would bring the relative change in the increase in inflation |
| 17:43.15 | g1powermac_EPC | now, however, you hold onto the shoes and sell the $50 shoes for 100,000 |
| 17:43.19 | bsdfox__ | so you bought a shoe for 10 hamburgers worth of currency and sold it for 20 hamburgers worth |
| 17:43.23 | g1powermac_EPC | you'd make almost twice the profit |
| 17:43.50 | g1powermac_EPC | then if you were to buy them this year and sell them this year |
| 17:43.51 | bsdfox__ | 100000 buys you 20 hamburgers though |
| 17:44.02 | bsdfox__ | and 50 cost you 10 hamburgers to purchase originally |
| 17:44.17 | bsdfox__ | so you're only profitting 10 hamburgers still |
| 17:44.38 | bsdfox__ | perhaps there is a language barrier here but I don't think it's worth discussing further |
| 17:44.45 | g1powermac_EPC | no, you'd be making more |
| 17:45.02 | g1powermac_EPC | 950,000 instead of 50,000 |
| 17:45.09 | chouimat|work | huh? |
| 17:45.16 | g1powermac_EPC | err, 99,950 |
| 17:45.41 | g1powermac_EPC | fingers wanted to type 950,000 for some reason ;-) |
| 17:45.42 | bsdfox__ | anyone else want to chime in to clarify this for us? |
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| 17:47.00 | g1powermac_EPC | you see, the inflation increase from last year to this year for the profit would be from 50 to 50,000 |
| 17:47.24 | g1powermac_EPC | so that increase is the actual inflation, its the same buying power |
| 17:47.36 | chouimat|work | not really |
| 17:48.12 | g1powermac_EPC | now, if you take last years product and sell this year, you'd be able to charge the same rate as this year's retail prices |
| 17:48.42 | g1powermac_EPC | so you only paid 50 instead of 50,000 for the same product that will sell at 100,000 |
| 17:49.14 | chouimat|work | you're talking of what? inflation? |
| 17:49.17 | bsdfox__ | explain it to me in terms of hamburgers |
| 17:49.27 | g1powermac_EPC | ehm |
| 17:49.47 | g1powermac_EPC | chouimat|work, ok, here it is from the top |
| 17:50.26 | g1powermac_EPC | chouimat|work, lets say last year you bought a batch of shoes for $50 from wholesale manufacturers to retail at $100 at your store |
| 17:50.51 | g1powermac_EPC | everything is going great, you sell some shoes, but you keep alot as stock in your store |
| 17:51.13 | g1powermac_EPC | now, inflation goes through the roof this year and so that same shoe now retails for $100,000 |
| 17:51.39 | g1powermac_EPC | obviously if it retails for that price, the manufacturers are going to raise their prices to $50,000 a pair |
| 17:51.53 | chouimat|work | basicly this mean your money doesn't worth anything anymore ... |
| 17:52.08 | g1powermac_EPC | so you now can buy the shoes for $50,000 and sell them at $100,000 |
| 17:52.36 | g1powermac_EPC | however, you still have stock of shoes bought at $50 which you can now sell at $100,000 |
| 17:53.11 | g1powermac_EPC | so by selling the shoes from last year, you make $49,950 more than just buying and selling this years product |
| 17:53.59 | chouimat|work | g1powermac: wrong ... this mean you just lost of shit load of buying power |
| 17:54.02 | chouimat|work | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inflation |
| 17:54.12 | prpplague | g1powermac_EPC: the problem is that it isn't just the shoes that had inflation, everything else did as well, so the $100,000 will buy as much bread and milk as the $100 a year earlier |
| 17:54.12 | g1powermac_EPC | eventually you'll run out and have to revert to buying this years product at $50,000, but in the mean time you got more profit |
| 17:54.38 | prpplague | g1powermac_EPC: it shows up on the books as profit, but the true buying power is the same |
| 17:55.03 | g1powermac_EPC | prpplague, of course, but you see here, if you bought the shoes from this year at $50k and sell them at $100k, you make a profit of $50k |
| 17:55.15 | bsdfox__ | if you explain it in hamburgers.. I pay 10 hamburgers, I can sell them for 20 hamburgers. net profit of 10. I pay 10 hamburgers, wait a year, sell them for 20 hamburgers. net profit of 10 |
| 17:55.26 | g1powermac_EPC | same would go for last year, with $50 wholesale prices and $100 retail with $50 profit |
| 17:55.52 | g1powermac_EPC | so the change from $50 to $50k on the profit is the reflection of the inflation |
| 17:56.05 | prpplague | g1powermac_EPC: correct |
| 17:56.10 | g1powermac_EPC | so the $50 and the $50k is worth the same |
| 17:56.17 | prpplague | g1powermac_EPC: exactly |
| 17:56.46 | g1powermac_EPC | now, if you take shoes bought at $50 of last years money and resell them this year, you'd bring in more profit |
| 17:58.17 | g1powermac_EPC | so the profit would be $99,950 instead of the standard inflationary change of $50k |
| 17:58.30 | g1powermac_EPC | of course until you start buying new stock again |
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| 17:59.42 | g1powermac_EPC | you're basically taking advantage of the buffer |
| 18:00.15 | g1powermac_EPC | what hurts is when it goes the other way |
| 18:00.25 | g1powermac_EPC | where you have to sell shoes for less than what you paid for them |
| 18:01.18 | g1powermac_EPC | of course everything around you would be getting cheaper, but the bills from the manufacturers are still the same price |
| 18:04.48 | g1powermac_EPC | so in any regards, you'd be able to buy more stuff if you were to hold onto a $50 pair of shoes and sold them at $100,000 a year later than holding onto to just $50 |
| 18:09.43 | prpplague | g1powermac_EPC: exactly, no different that buying a share of IBM in 1968 and see it's value rise(naturally) and selling it in 2008 |
| 18:11.11 | g1powermac_EPC | hrmm |
| 18:11.20 | g1powermac_EPC | just noticed my eee's fan is stuck again |
| 18:11.34 | g1powermac_EPC | this time at a high rpm |
| 18:11.49 | g1powermac_EPC | any suggestions for debugging it? |
| 18:15.39 | bsdfox__ | g1powermac_EPC: what's the module name I'll look at it |
| 18:16.57 | g1powermac_EPC | hmm, not exactly sure, there's a couple specific eeepc modules |
| 18:17.16 | g1powermac_EPC | that are only distributed with patched kernels for the eeepc |
| 18:17.22 | g1powermac_EPC | (not mainlined yet) |
| 18:18.45 | g1powermac_EPC | there's at least two specifically named modules listed with lsmod, asus_eee and eeepc_laptop |
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| 18:20.23 | GNUtoo | hi,I've some questions on buildroot.... |
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| 18:22.28 | prpplague | GNUtoo: ask your questions, then wait to see if someone can and will answer them |
| 18:23.05 | GNUtoo | basically for making a kernel it takes the patches inside target/linux/brcm47xx/patches-2.6.30, plus the patch inside target/linux/generic-2.6/patches-2.6.30 (I'm not shure but I think),but beside that what are files like ./drivers/input/misc/gpio_buttons.c inside in target/linux/generic-2.6/files-2.6.30 because if they use patch why do they need another thing |
| 18:23.06 | GNUtoo | ? |
| 18:23.19 | GNUtoo | I was writing the question...sorry for beeing too long to write |
| 18:24.30 | prpplague | GNUtoo: most likely those are custom drivers that are added into the kernel tree during the build |
| 18:25.53 | GNUtoo | ah but why don't they use patch for that? |
| 18:26.00 | GNUtoo | ah external drivers? |
| 18:26.13 | GNUtoo | there are also include things... |
| 18:26.46 | GNUtoo | basically what I want to do is to use openembedded to build their 2.6.30 kenrel for my wrt54gs v4 |
| 18:33.44 | GNUtoo | how do I add them...maybe I should just copy them like buildroot does? |
| 18:34.12 | GNUtoo | and is that all...or did I missed some files? |
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| 19:13.26 | bsdfox__ | hey did anyone understand g1powermac's reasoning earlier? I tried but couldn't |
| 19:13.37 | bsdfox__ | and I dunno if I was missing something or if he was just really thick |
| 19:13.45 | prpplague | bsdfox__: hehe, i did |
| 19:20.03 | chouimat|work | reasoning ? where? |
| 19:20.52 | tehDarkAura | your looking long term bsdfox__ |
| 19:21.38 | tehDarkAura | it can't be sustained but there is a small period you make a crazy profit |
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| 19:48.31 | bsdfox__ | tehDarkAura: "profit" or actual profit? |
| 19:48.38 | bsdfox__ | because your buying power never changes |
| 19:49.15 | tehDarkAura | i agree |
| 19:49.36 | tehDarkAura | which is why it can not be sustained |
| 19:50.26 | bsdfox__ | well I'm saying even though he is thinking he's making twice the profit he's not |
| 19:50.39 | bsdfox__ | I'm saying he's never gonna get more hamburgers no matter how short term |
| 19:50.49 | tehDarkAura | hehe atleast not if he wants to buy anything anytime soon ;) |
| 20:00.23 | g1powermac | yes, its very short term, obviously :-) |
| 20:01.26 | g1powermac | it can't be sustained, unless you have a time machine ;-) |
| 20:06.41 | bsdfox__ | still doesn't get it |
| 20:13.06 | tehDarkAura | that would be cool :) |
| 20:13.40 | chouimat|work | stopped caring about this last week |
| 20:17.24 | g1powermac | meh, not the best article, but still: http://seekingalpha.com/article/30034-timberwest-how-to-profit-from-inflation |
| 20:17.41 | g1powermac | basically, you can profit from inflation by divesting your dollars by buying real stuff |
| 20:17.57 | g1powermac | or other country's currencies |
| 20:20.42 | bsdfox__ | heh that article is completely different than what we were discussing |
| 20:20.52 | bsdfox__ | obviously there is a way to make money while investing |
| 20:20.54 | g1powermac | I know, it kinda sucks |
| 20:21.02 | g1powermac | but there is one paragraph in it |
| 20:21.24 | g1powermac | "There are a number of ways to prepare for, and even profit from, a period of high inflation. Among the best are to invest in real property, commodities, and foreign currencies." |
| 20:21.32 | bsdfox__ | but the point you kept making over and over about making an additional 49950 is invalid |
| 20:21.46 | g1powermac | how is that invalid? |
| 20:21.59 | bsdfox__ | I told you several times already |
| 20:22.14 | bsdfox__ | we agree that the value of currency is arbitrary |
| 20:22.24 | bsdfox__ | it's all about how much you can buy with it |
| 20:22.36 | bsdfox__ | now tell me how you are able to buy more stuff |
| 20:22.48 | g1powermac | ok, lets say this |
| 20:23.16 | g1powermac | you used up $50 of 2008 dollars to buy one pair of shoes |
| 20:23.45 | chouimat|work | not again!!!!! |
| 20:23.47 | g1powermac | you could then immediately resell it for $100 and you'd now have that much to go and buy other stuff |
| 20:24.00 | g1powermac | but now lets say you held onto that $50 |
| 20:24.17 | bsdfox__ | jesus christ you're just repeating yourself without answering the question |
| 20:24.20 | g1powermac | now, that $50 is pretty much worthless when inflation goes haywire |
| 20:24.26 | bsdfox__ | no it's not |
| 20:24.35 | g1powermac | how so? |
| 20:24.36 | tehDarkAura | lol |
| 20:24.37 | bsdfox__ | because that $50 in 2008 buys you 10 hamburgers or 1 pair of shoes |
| 20:24.48 | g1powermac | but I'm not buying anything in 2008 |
| 20:25.21 | g1powermac | if you hold the money, it has less worth |
| 20:25.26 | bsdfox__ | obviously |
| 20:25.32 | bsdfox__ | that's never what we were talking about |
| 20:25.41 | g1powermac | but, if you hold the shoes, it worth doesn't decrease |
| 20:25.46 | g1powermac | s/it/the |
| 20:26.01 | g1powermac | ergo, you can then make a profit on that |
| 20:26.17 | bsdfox__ | the buying power of the $100 you sell the shoes for in 2008 is the same as the $100000 you sell the shoes for in 2009 |
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| 20:26.45 | g1powermac | but thats if you sold it for the $100 |
| 20:26.54 | g1powermac | if you held it, it would be worth more |
| 20:27.01 | bsdfox__ | you spent 10 hamburgers to buy the shoes |
| 20:27.20 | bsdfox__ | that doesn't magically turn into .01 hamburgers a year later |
| 20:28.37 | g1powermac | but you see here, you are comparing two physical goods |
| 20:29.12 | bsdfox__ | I'm comparing buying power |
| 20:29.18 | bsdfox__ | which is the only thing tangible |
| 20:30.01 | g1powermac | hmm |
| 20:30.08 | tehDarkAura | but what if instead of buying that hamburger you kept the money |
| 20:30.18 | tehDarkAura | then you have a loss due to inflation |
| 20:30.27 | cjameshuff | You make a numeric profit, but you don't gain anything...you just avoid losing it. |
| 20:30.30 | tehDarkAura | so there is a relative profit by buying the hamburger |
| 20:30.37 | tehDarkAura | i agree |
| 20:30.59 | bsdfox__ | cjameshuff: correct |
| 20:31.00 | g1powermac | is there an economist in the house? ;-) |
| 20:31.29 | bsdfox__ | I took some basic econ in college and my dad and my sister both have masters degrees in finance |
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| 23:37.54 | prpplague | ho ho hum |
| 23:40.34 | theDarkAura1 | hum ho hum ;) |
| 23:43.56 | g1powermac_EPC | wb prpplague |
| 23:44.13 | prpplague | thanks |
| 23:44.23 | prpplague | tries to think of a new name for his openocd fork |
| 23:45.02 | Crofton|work | prpplague, spork |
| 23:45.39 | prpplague | i'm leaning towards OpenOCD-Redux |
| 23:47.05 | g1powermac_EPC | heh, spork |
| 23:53.49 | prpplague | OpenOCD is an open source application designed to work with JTAG communications to System-On-Chip(SoC) devices based on ARM cores. The original OpenOCD was developed by Dominic Rath who intended the core application to be very light, flexible, and easy to use. Over the last two use numerous additions, modifications, hacks, and overall uncontrolled patching of OpenOCD has created massively bloat, unstable, and completely unusab |
| 23:53.49 | prpplague | le application. With the approval of Dominic Rath, an OpenOCD-Redux project will revert changes back to the last functional stable build and begin again with the intention of doing stable releases, bug fix releases, and provide a development environment where _careful_ consideration of new features and core changes. |