| 00:11.04 | prpplague | http://xkcd.com/327/ |
| 00:14.15 | prpplague | oh xkcd cracks me up |
| 00:14.21 | prpplague | http://xkcd.com/330/ |
| 00:17.42 | ds2 | prpplague: is the samsung listing on Linked in the same? |
| 00:25.11 | solar | now I'm properly equiped with a beverage. http://www.rogue.com/beers/morimoto-soba-ale.php |
| 00:26.38 | ds2 | what is the difference between an ale and a beer? |
| 00:27.58 | solar | none really. But one might define an ale by it's use of top fermenting yeasts and bitterness |
| 00:28.27 | ds2 | I see |
| 00:31.03 | solar | strictly speaking however an ale is a beer without hops |
| 00:31.19 | solar | but hopless beers kinda went away some 500 years ago I think |
| 00:41.02 | prpplague | ds2: no i think the samsung listing is different |
| 00:41.16 | prpplague | ds2: we have samsung r&d facility doing some android dev |
| 00:41.48 | prpplague | ds2: rumor has it hey have a new phone based on the new S5PC100 similar to the IPhone stuff |
| 00:42.09 | prpplague | ds2: i don't know if they are doing the research for Apple or not, but i suspect they are |
| 00:43.17 | prpplague | ds2: as a side note, beer in the US is forbidden by law to post the alcohol content, where as a ale or malt liquior can |
| 00:43.35 | prpplague | ds2: most stouts and porters as well can have the content |
| 00:43.52 | prpplague | ds2: the law really only defines lagers and pilsners as "beer" |
| 00:46.56 | solar | we have strange sin laws |
| 00:52.19 | ds2 | prpplague: okay... that's the only one that shows up |
| 00:53.04 | ds2 | so it is prefectly legal to have a high alcohol beer by using the right kinds of yeast? |
| 00:55.37 | solar | for sure |
| 00:56.40 | ds2 | I see |
| 00:57.23 | solar | you wont find many beers over 10% ABV however. You start to get into barely wines and full wine in the 10-14% range, champagnes in the 12-17% range. Everything higher is usually distilled |
| 00:57.53 | ds2 | so if I get this straight - I make a mash with wheat, add yeast. let it sit for a few days, that is technically Ale... but if I add roasted hops buds to the mash then distill, I have beer? |
| 00:58.33 | ds2 | eh? thought wine is fremented fruit where as beer is fermented grains? |
| 00:58.49 | solar | yes fruits vs grains. |
| 00:59.22 | solar | technically speaking 500 years ago that would be a ale |
| 00:59.51 | prpplague | ds2: the highest alcohol beer is made by samuel adams, the Utopia, in the guiness book of work recrosds |
| 01:00.03 | solar | hops were found to have many benefits (like helping to prevent spoliage) |
| 01:00.14 | ds2 | interesting finer points of dealing with what probally started out as someone eatting bad grain ;) |
| 01:00.15 | solar | and t he bitterness from them grew on people |
| 01:00.52 | prpplague | average price for a bottle of utopia is about $450.00USD |
| 01:00.54 | prpplague | http://cgi.ebay.com/Samuel-Adams-Utopia-Utopias-07---CEO-Koch-AUTOGRAPHED!-_W0QQitemZ360156026324QQcmdZViewItem |
| 01:00.58 | solar | to now it's pretty much a base indegrient. |
| 01:01.13 | ds2 | ouch 450 |
| 01:01.17 | solar | cept for US commercial beers. (corn/rice) |
| 01:01.42 | prpplague | ewww rice |
| 01:01.47 | solar | why not. |
| 01:01.55 | solar | it works. I has no flavor |
| 01:02.00 | ds2 | so by extropolation - rice wine is a misnomer then? |
| 01:02.17 | prpplague | ds2: depends on what you use it for |
| 01:02.35 | prpplague | ds2: most american beers use the rice as a "filler" |
| 01:02.41 | solar | sake in traditional terms does not use a standard yeast iirc |
| 01:02.44 | prpplague | ds2: most asian beers use it as the primary grain |
| 01:02.54 | prpplague | big big different |
| 01:03.00 | ds2 | Sake is what I was thinking of (this arose from a lunch time argument at a Sushi place) |
| 01:03.18 | prpplague | ds2: sake is more of a rice wine than beer |
| 01:03.32 | prpplague | ds2: but there are a number of very good rice beers |
| 01:03.42 | ds2 | but wine is fermented fruit juice...beer is feremented grains, right? |
| 01:03.49 | solar | yeah. But but really it's not a fruit. So it's kinda odd |
| 01:04.05 | prpplague | rice is a weird item |
| 01:04.13 | prpplague | kind of a grey area |
| 01:04.26 | ds2 | how so? it is just another grass seed |
| 01:04.29 | prpplague | as long as it is used as the primary ingredient |
| 01:05.02 | prpplague | ds2: fruits like grapes have a natural sugar available, grains have proteins stored |
| 01:05.09 | prpplague | ds2: rice has charastics of both |
| 01:05.14 | ds2 | I see |
| 01:05.38 | prpplague | ds2: you have to treat it as a grain and water it to start germination, but it has a significant portion of natural sugar |
| 01:05.55 | ds2 | that would explain why I never heard of people making a mash in the usual sense (sprout the grain, lightly toast it, then mix it in with the grain to convert stuff to sugar) |
| 01:06.21 | prpplague | exactly |
| 01:06.49 | ds2 | I donno the correct term as I learned about the entire process in the context of making fuel not a beverage |
| 01:07.01 | solar | it's nearly the same |
| 01:07.12 | solar | just less focus on flavors :) |
| 01:07.12 | prpplague | ds2:most of the companies like AssBite use rice as filler to offset the alcohol content with calories and cost |
| 01:07.52 | prpplague | ds2: the same happen in germany about 500 years ago, which prompted the Beer Laws |
| 01:07.53 | ds2 | prpplague: oh I see... why not just dump in sugar beet juice? |
| 01:08.19 | solar | that would be a beetwine |
| 01:08.24 | prpplague | ds2: rice has almost no flavor, so it is alcohol that tastes like water |
| 01:08.36 | ds2 | solar: well... that and the starting product are abit more restricted. It wassuggested that one collect left over mash potatoes from the trash can ;) doubt if that is acceptable for a beverage |
| 01:08.49 | prpplague | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reinheitsgebot |
| 01:09.00 | ds2 | prpplague: I see... almost like dilute everclear? |
| 01:09.08 | prpplague | yep |
| 01:09.56 | prpplague | ds2: if a brewery doesn't same "we abide b Reinheitsgebot" don't but it |
| 01:10.10 | prpplague | s/b/by |
| 01:10.22 | prpplague | argh, too many brews myself tonight |
| 01:10.29 | ds2 | heh |
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| 01:10.52 | prpplague | ds2: boss lady bought me a left hand sampler case for fathers day |
| 01:10.56 | ds2 | don't have a taste for beer... the stronger stuff seems better |
| 01:11.00 | solar | Are you drinking the Utopias ? |
| 01:11.01 | ds2 | prpplague: oh nice |
| 01:12.24 | solar | ds2: if you are serious about making fuel. You will need to apply for one of these http://www.abc.ca.gov/permits/permits.html ($453 in CA) |
| 01:12.55 | ds2 | WTF... I thought all I need is a ATF paper and a log to account for it |
| 01:13.19 | solar | oh no. You need a licence from like 5 places ;/ |
| 01:13.50 | ds2 | #$@#%@#%@$@# |
| 01:14.08 | solar | Mississippi being the worst of them at the state level. $4500 per year |
| 01:14.20 | ds2 | another criteria forthe landsofamerica site searches |
| 01:14.21 | solar | and Oregon being the best at around $100 |
| 01:14.36 | ds2 | that is even if I denature everything? |
| 01:14.58 | solar | and I'm doing a serious debate on picking up some land in klamath falls |
| 01:15.18 | solar | no state taxes in oregon vs the ~8% here. |
| 01:15.33 | ds2 | the only thing I don't like about that area is I have to cross the sikso (sp) range to get there |
| 01:15.35 | solar | you pay more on property taxes. |
| 01:16.07 | solar | the state and laws there lend itself much better towards being self sustainable |
| 01:16.22 | ds2 | isn't NV in a similar boat? |
| 01:16.54 | ds2 | OR's can't pump gas yourself thing is a bit irritating |
| 01:16.59 | solar | dunno about the mindset in NV. |
| 01:17.16 | ds2 | but having crossed the sikso range at night, I perfer not todo it again |
| 01:17.18 | solar | yeah that is anoying. You get used to it |
| 01:17.41 | solar | ahh. |
| 01:17.49 | ds2 | have you driven up there on I5? |
| 01:18.35 | solar | yeah I'm looking in google.maps and searching using the 'show terrain' optiuon that are green |
| 01:19.02 | solar | driving only done it one time. |
| 01:19.18 | solar | mostly either fly up to EUG or KLA |
| 01:19.23 | ds2 | the steep windy road is the worse I have seen for an interstate |
| 01:19.29 | solar | done the train a few times. |
| 01:19.47 | solar | it took one time no kidding 17hrs to get from here to kfalls |
| 01:20.01 | ds2 | hmmm train I been meaning to do the northern half of the coast starlight |
| 01:20.01 | solar | which is like a ~5 hr drive when the roads are clear |
| 01:21.17 | ds2 | of course, then there are questions as to how sufficient is a padlock on a cargo container |
| 01:21.47 | solar | so not worth it. |
| 01:22.33 | solar | the raidroad and the bulls dont not take kindly to people riding it's trains |
| 01:22.54 | ds2 | heh, I've heard |
| 01:23.43 | ds2 | it would be nice to get a few acres, put down a gravel pad and leave a cargo container there for storage and just drive there periodically in a miniRV |
| 01:25.14 | solar | indeed that would be a nice start towards retirement |
| 01:25.26 | solar | my concerns are stuff like the internet. I'm pretty hooked |
| 01:25.53 | solar | and in most remote areas you know chances are you are going to have to become the ISP for the town just so you can get something better than dialup |
| 01:26.17 | ds2 | satellite |
| 01:26.20 | solar | which also means probably having to start it as a WISP |
| 01:26.36 | ds2 | or if you are close to the interstate, GPRS |
| 01:26.59 | ds2 | but being a microisp would be a revenue stream |
| 01:27.00 | solar | yeah true |
| 01:28.13 | ds2 | always packet radio |
| 01:28.36 | solar | there are legal problems with that in the US I think |
| 01:28.51 | solar | I don't think the FCC wants those bands to be used for data. |
| 01:29.02 | solar | and for sure not encrypted ;/ |
| 01:29.05 | ds2 | not if you are already a ham |
| 01:29.23 | solar | I speaking of the ham guys. |
| 01:29.50 | solar | anybody into ham around here? And knows for sure? |
| 01:30.00 | ds2 | hmmm *shrug* I know the band plan has space for packet |
| 01:30.10 | solar | good then :) |
| 01:30.13 | ds2 | maybe Crofton? or maybe drop by HRO? |
| 01:33.38 | solar | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:36.25 | ds2 | that concurs with my understanding |
| 01:37.32 | solar | seems to. |
| 01:39.31 | ds2 | something is better then nothing |
| 01:42.16 | solar | indded. But for how long |
| 01:42.27 | solar | I'm so used to sitting on fat pipes |
| 01:42.47 | ds2 | other then the latency, satellite |
| 01:42.59 | solar | gigE DIA from my desktop :) |
| 01:43.01 | ds2 | they were using that out in Grass Valley years ago |
| 01:43.18 | solar | yeah streaming media would be out of the question |
| 01:43.26 | ds2 | I fall back to EDGE/GPRS when I am mobile so i got used to it |
| 01:43.35 | ds2 | eh? how doeslatency effect streaming media? |
| 01:43.46 | solar | but I sure like sites like instructables |
| 01:44.08 | solar | you need atleast DSL for anything streaming |
| 01:44.13 | ds2 | I hate instructables but I see your point |
| 01:44.22 | ds2 | satellite can do almost DS1 speeds |
| 01:44.29 | solar | down |
| 01:44.41 | solar | you would still have to have a land line for it |
| 01:44.43 | ds2 | but to receive a stream.... |
| 01:44.48 | solar | true |
| 01:47.08 | solar | you dislike instructables? is there a reason for that? Quality not up to par? other? |
| 01:47.22 | ds2 | the way the website presents things |
| 01:47.42 | ds2 | I _HATE_ sites that breakthings into 23492340023840230949238423048093 little pages |
| 01:47.46 | solar | oh. layout is not ideal. But I like the random content |
| 01:47.56 | solar | yeah you have to sign up these days to see it all as one page |
| 01:48.10 | ds2 | I refuse to sign in just to read |
| 01:48.28 | ds2 | so I just avoid them. if a project links there, it has to be a very good project for me to waste time with them |
| 01:50.24 | solar | I just deal with it. |
| 01:50.36 | solar | cuz there are lots of good things I learn from that site. |
| 01:51.05 | solar | this week I'm in fascinated with the miracle fruit/berry |
| 01:51.09 | ds2 | I read filter sites down stream to decided if i want to deal with it |
| 01:51.46 | solar | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miracle_fruit |
| 01:55.41 | m4t | any of you familiar with the solder-pin mounting style db-25 connectors? |
| 01:55.55 | m4t | do they make them with all the pins lined up to a .1 spacing |
| 01:56.01 | m4t | so they will fit onto a proto board |
| 01:56.19 | ds2 | hmmm |
| 01:56.21 | m4t | or would i need to go with like an idc 25 pin type deal somehow |
| 01:56.27 | m4t | and braid wire |
| 02:00.35 | m4t | i going to see if i can bend the pins i need from a right angle |
| 02:00.42 | m4t | and use it as a vertical connector |
| 02:01.02 | m4t | dsubs are expesive tho |
| 02:01.09 | m4t | most expensive part nearly in a jtag |
| 02:05.29 | chouimat|away | prpplague: pong pong thong |
| 02:08.12 | g1powermac_EPC | pong thong? |
| 02:09.02 | chouimat|away | g1powermac_EPC: you know a thong ... gstrings :) |
| 02:10.14 | g1powermac_EPC | yea, but pong thong is some new variant I haven't heard of :-) |
| 02:11.06 | chouimat|away | g1powermac_EPC: you know prpplague ... he will appreciate |
| 02:11.21 | g1powermac_EPC | heheh |
| 02:18.13 | m4t | they all fit |
| 02:18.15 | m4t | ha |
| 02:18.28 | m4t | the second row sticks out the other end like .5mm |
| 02:18.34 | m4t | and the first row sticks out like 1cm |
| 02:18.37 | m4t | but it is solderable |
| 02:20.34 | m4t | fitting a 20 pin ic into a 16 socket ic holder will likely be more difficult |
| 02:20.35 | m4t | hrm |
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| 04:41.01 | Mirell | Hmm... |
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| 08:24.50 | Mirell | I want her to narrate my life: http://www.geekbrief.tv/gbtv-582-a-bedtime-story |
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| 13:20.38 | g1powermac_EPC | morning all |
| 13:28.51 | tehDarkAura | hi g1powermac_EPC |
| 13:28.58 | g1powermac_EPC | heya tehDarkAura |
| 13:30.04 | tehDarkAura | is thinking of creative ways to get fired w/o cause ;) |
| 13:30.22 | tehDarkAura | but it's hard when your boss is out of state :? |
| 13:30.32 | g1powermac_EPC | heh |
| 13:45.11 | agaffney | tehDarkAura: uhh...why are you trying to do that? |
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| 13:55.14 | g1powermac_EPC | morning prpplague |
| 13:55.25 | prpplague | greetings earthlings |
| 13:55.43 | g1powermac_EPC | hey, you can't assume we're all earthlings here ;-) |
| 13:56.10 | prpplague | is reminded of an old twilight zone episode |
| 13:57.24 | tehDarkAura | agaffney: because i'm in boston and all my family is not :/ |
| 13:57.37 | tehDarkAura | i've out grown my position too .. |
| 13:58.10 | prpplague | tehDarkAura: job hunting? |
| 13:58.20 | prpplague | alot of that going on these days |
| 13:59.09 | tehDarkAura | yea, it's a bit harder when you are not in the same state as the jobs you want ;) |
| 13:59.22 | prpplague | tehDarkAura: oh i know all too well |
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| 14:01.06 | prpplague | ~seen cosmicpenguin |
| 14:01.09 | purl | cosmicpenguin <n=nobody@66-162-99-237.static.twtelecom.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #edev, 84d 21h 50m 59s ago, saying: 'especiallly 32'. |
| 14:04.43 | prpplague | well @#$@#$ i think i've blown up my wince platform builder environment |
| 14:08.02 | chouimat|away | morning |
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| 14:35.38 | prpplague | chouimat|work: thought you got fried? or was it fired? |
| 14:36.08 | g1powermac_EPC | well, we had to ehm, fry/fire someone today |
| 14:36.21 | g1powermac_EPC | though due to total insanity on their part |
| 14:36.43 | g1powermac_EPC | so more job openings for you unemployed here ;-) |
| 14:37.46 | chouimat | prpplague: what is the difference:) |
| 14:38.06 | chouimat | prpplague: I got laid off |
| 14:38.38 | chouimat | prpplague: probably some of my ex coworker using my dev box at work |
| 14:39.01 | g1powermac_EPC | its truly unbelievable how many employees we've to fire due to total immaturity or insanity |
| 14:39.36 | chouimat | prpplague: and I'm waiting for the email for them to ask me the passwords |
| 14:40.23 | prpplague | chouimat: oh |
| 14:40.39 | prpplague | wince platform builder is sooooo unintuitive |
| 15:05.57 | chouimat | prpplague: still having fun with it I see |
| 15:06.54 | prpplague | chouimat: fun isn't the word |
| 15:07.03 | prpplague | chouimat: i'm like 3 weeks behind on this project |
| 15:07.18 | prpplague | chouimat: almost all of that is me having trouble with their insane API's |
| 15:10.24 | prpplague | chouimat: i'm getting the hang of it, but not quick enough for the boss |
| 15:11.21 | prpplague | loads a new wince image to test |
| 15:11.29 | prpplague | lordy lordy, please work |
| 15:12.36 | chouimat | prpplague: I know the feeling ... |
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| 15:28.28 | prpplague | wmat: greetings |
| 15:31.22 | wmat | prpplague: hey |
| 15:32.37 | wmat | prpplague: did you by chance just get mail I sent to wiki-dev and discuss at elinux.org? |
| 15:32.57 | prpplague | looks |
| 15:33.15 | prpplague | wmat: i don't see anything |
| 15:33.23 | wmat | hmmm |
| 15:33.35 | prpplague | but then i'm not sure i'm on either of those lists |
| 15:33.56 | wmat | actually, you're right, you're not on wiki-dev |
| 15:34.30 | prpplague | wmat: there an issue at elinux.org? |
| 15:34.39 | wmat | or discuss |
| 15:34.44 | wmat | i retract my question ;) |
| 15:34.51 | wmat | nope, no problems |
| 15:35.09 | prpplague | okie dokie |
| 15:37.41 | prpplague | wmat: i really wish we'd stick with english on the wiki, we've had alot of people posting in japanese |
| 15:38.01 | wmat | yeah, i need to talk to Tim B. about that |
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| 16:08.01 | prpplague | pokes kergoth in the eye with a sharp stick to see if kergoth is alive |
| 16:08.15 | prpplague | ~emulate abcs |
| 16:08.15 | purl | i have great idea, lets sell buggy software and charge to fix it!! |
| 16:09.17 | g1powermac_EPC | wait, isn't that patented by Microsoft? |
| 16:09.31 | g1powermac_EPC | :-) |
| 16:10.00 | prpplague | g1powermac_EPC: i'm sure it is, but other companies do it as well |
| 16:10.13 | g1powermac_EPC | true |
| 16:10.43 | prpplague | g1powermac_EPC: you wouldn't believe some of the things i saw when i was working at ABCS |
| 16:10.57 | Mirell | Hmm... |
| 16:11.14 | prpplague | well i've sucessfully repaired my wince build |
| 16:11.18 | prpplague | Mirell: yes? |
| 16:12.27 | g1powermac_EPC | prpplague, thats sad, really |
| 16:14.41 | Mirell | prpplague: I just go Hmm... a lot |
| 16:14.50 | g1powermac_EPC | meditation mantra, ehh? :-) |
| 16:17.55 | Mirell | Indeed. |
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| 16:25.27 | prpplague | ho ho hum |
| 16:31.01 | Mirell | Exactly. |
| 16:31.17 | Mirell | is in his 14 of 15 minutes of fame... |
| 16:31.48 | g1powermac_EPC | *ding* you're done :-) |
| 16:32.30 | Mirell | Hehe |
| 16:32.55 | Mirell | Having a cute newsgirl do a four minute dramatic retelling is pretty much the highlight of the whole thing |
| 16:39.00 | prpplague | Mirell: ?? you made the news? |
| 16:39.15 | Mirell | prpplague: Ayup! |
| 16:39.25 | Mirell | prpplague: http://www.geekbrief.tv/gbtv-582-a-bedtime-story among other links |
| 16:39.45 | prpplague | hehe |
| 16:40.13 | prpplague | thinks he needs to hang out with Mirell since Mirell has sooo much fun |
| 16:41.01 | prpplague | ho ho hum |
| 16:43.00 | Mirell | It was a fun trip to Chicago! |
| 17:02.45 | wmat | heh, that was a good story |
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| 17:29.03 | g1powermac_EPC | hey prpplague |
| 17:42.58 | Mirell | Oh, 14.2 minutes, Endgadget now. They have the best photo yet... |
| 17:45.14 | prpplague | Mirell: ?? |
| 17:45.43 | chouimat | ?? |
| 17:46.18 | Mirell | http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/23/find-my-iphone-reunites-true-nerd-with-lost-iphone/ |
| 17:46.27 | prpplague | Mirell: hehe |
| 17:46.40 | prpplague | Mirell: wow you are the celebrity now |
| 17:47.47 | Mirell | Celebrity only in the "Yah, that was me in the event", not in the anyone will remember my name or know what I look like 2 days from now, heh. |
| 17:58.39 | prpplague | Mirell: we don't remember what you look like already |
| 18:02.34 | Mirell | Oh good |
| 18:19.42 | wmat | Mirell: so was the dive bar good otherwise? |
| 18:22.25 | Mirell | It had good burgers, and a very pretty Indian waitress. |
| 18:22.32 | Mirell | Strange clientelle though |
| 18:23.27 | solar | http://gizmodo.com/5301321/linksys-wrt160nl-is-fully-linux-powered-80211n-and-acts-as-media-server (pretty nice looking) |
| 18:28.56 | Mirell | refrains from comment |
| 18:30.22 | prpplague | Mirell: Indian as in from India? |
| 18:31.18 | prpplague | Mirell: hehe, one of your torture products for cisco? |
| 18:31.57 | prpplague | does it say what 400mhz processor it is? |
| 18:32.06 | chouimat | probably mips |
| 18:32.45 | Mirell | prpplague: Yep, that type of Indian. |
| 18:33.25 | prpplague | chouimat: that was my guess as well |
| 18:34.28 | chouimat | cool the not really me is gone |
| 18:34.33 | Mirell | prpplague: Also yes, one of my torture products. |
| 18:36.12 | prpplague | ok, uploading new wince image |
| 18:36.18 | prpplague | crosses all 10 fingers and 12 toes |
| 18:37.07 | chouimat | doesn't want to from who he stoles the extra 2 toes |
| 18:37.13 | chouimat | +know |
| 18:38.31 | prpplague | chouimat: so what you got on your plate for work? |
| 18:38.57 | chouimat | currently nothing |
| 18:39.44 | prpplague | chouimat: *cough* if someone came to AML with a quickbooks apps for linux based handhelds, i suspect they would purchase it |
| 18:40.02 | chouimat | :) |
| 18:40.09 | ds2 | ...if... |
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| 18:57.18 | mnemoc | prpplague: do you know around how much a m8050 unit would cost? |
| 18:57.42 | prpplague | mnemoc: development unit is $785 , which includes the unit and a cradle |
| 18:58.06 | mnemoc | but production unit? |
| 19:00.35 | mnemoc | prpplague: ok, found the price list |
| 19:00.58 | mnemoc | prpplague: interesting that you give ce6.0 away for free :\ |
| 19:01.06 | mnemoc | i.e. linux = ce |
| 19:01.16 | prpplague | mnemoc: huh? |
| 19:01.37 | mnemoc | http://www.amltd.com/pdf/currentpb/LIST_A8MTFXBA.pdf |
| 19:01.52 | mnemoc | the price of the unit with wince is the same that with linux |
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| 19:03.18 | prpplague | mnemoc: ahh you are implying that ce6 is free, it is actually the other way around. the linux unit has the development costs for linux tied to the hardware |
| 19:04.00 | mnemoc | ic |
| 19:04.28 | prpplague | mnemoc: so basically the cost of wince is the same amount that the hardware price is adjust for the linux |
| 19:07.18 | prpplague | mnemoc: kdt750 is the device i'm doing wince for |
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| 19:12.03 | mnemoc | http://www.amltd.com/KDT750.asp ... nice |
| 19:27.03 | prpplague | ds2: ping |
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| 20:02.39 | prpplague | ho ho hum |
| 20:02.53 | prpplague | wince dev takes sooo much longer than linux dev |
| 20:18.46 | florian | hi prpplague |
| 20:18.59 | prpplague | florian: greetings earthling |
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| 20:27.39 | prpplague | ~lart kergoth |
| 20:27.39 | purl | puts kergoth into a headlock and administers a mighty noogie, rubbing half of kergoth's hair of |
| 20:27.58 | prpplague | kergoth: are we having _fun_ yet? |
| 20:30.22 | chouimat | no |
| 20:32.21 | prpplague | still seem to have one bug in my touchscreen driver, everyonce in awhile it comes to a dead halt where neither the pendown irq or the timeout irq is enabled |
| 20:35.29 | prpplague | man it is hot today |
| 20:35.51 | ds2 | what's it up to? |
| 20:36.06 | ds2 | and have you broken the recorder for badwater, ca? |
| 20:36.09 | ds2 | record |
| 20:36.14 | prpplague | ~weather DFW |
| 20:37.53 | prpplague | http://www.weather.com/weather/alerts/localalerts/76053?phenomena=TSL&significance=S&areaid=TXZ118&office=KFWD&etn=4779121be092cbcbdfc302aa3b7ab749c708fecc |
| 20:39.00 | prpplague | ~weather KDFW |
| 20:39.59 | ds2 | I see... having spent time in PHX AZ around this time of the year..... |
| 20:40.00 | ds2 | :D |
| 20:48.42 | mnemoc | ~weather LECO |
| 20:48.47 | mnemoc | :D |
| 20:49.14 | ds2 | ~weather WBBM |
| 20:49.27 | ds2 | blah |
| 20:49.43 | mnemoc | wikipedia has IATA/ICAO codes |
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| 20:59.29 | prpplague | wahoo |
| 20:59.33 | prpplague | touchscreen is working |
| 21:00.08 | ds2 | congrats... what TSC are you using for it? |
| 21:00.49 | prpplague | tsc2003 |
| 21:00.51 | prpplague | from ti |
| 21:01.04 | prpplague | <mnemoc> http://www.amltd.com/KDT750.asp ... nice |
| 21:01.08 | prpplague | fro the kdt750 |
| 21:01.41 | ds2 | why the 2003? most people seems to want to use the tsc2046 instead |
| 21:05.26 | prpplague | ds2: 1) cheap 2) we stock it 3) we had example drivers for wince5 |
| 21:16.55 | prpplague | boy NBC, CBS and ABC news just can't face the fact that no one wants to watch their biased crap anymore |
| 21:17.21 | g1powermac_EPC | hehe |
| 21:18.09 | g1powermac_EPC | still loves the whole obama killing a fly thing |
| 21:18.33 | mnemoc | regarless the chosen edge, all media are biased |
| 21:18.34 | Madsy^ | Yeah, think of the flies! |
| 21:19.05 | prpplague | g1powermac_EPC: yea well its the old magician trick, keep the people looking in the other direction while he does his business |
| 21:19.12 | g1powermac_EPC | have any of you guys seen the response Jon Stuart and Stephen Colbert did with the fly? it's hilarious |
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| 21:19.23 | g1powermac_EPC | prpplague, for sure |
| 21:19.32 | g1powermac_EPC | still funny though |
| 21:19.35 | prpplague | mnemoc: agreed, the problem is NBC, CBS and ABC won't admit they are biased |
| 21:19.40 | mnemoc | =) |
| 21:20.24 | g1powermac_EPC | ponders what fox has become. . .maybe the Armageddon News Network. . . |
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| 21:26.41 | prpplague | GPSFan: greetings |
| 21:26.51 | GPSFan | prpplague: howdy |
| 21:26.54 | prpplague | GPSFan: lamb chops for dinner tonight? |
| 21:27.19 | GPSFan | naw, just cheez & crackers... big lunch today |
| 21:27.22 | prpplague | hehe |
| 21:29.42 | prpplague | i see that linuxdevices.com has changed hands again and has now become linuxfordevices.com |
| 21:30.30 | prpplague | and they have removed the search option |
| 21:30.36 | prpplague | so you can't find old articles |
| 21:30.44 | g1powermac_EPC | fun |
| 21:30.59 | mnemoc | wth |
| 21:37.37 | prpplague | i truely believe that if you want to do wince dev, you need to have atleast 3 or 4 shots of tequilla first so that all the build system and API makes sense |
| 21:39.43 | g1powermac_EPC | sounds like MS |
| 22:31.29 | ds2 | the shots of tequilia is what the windows guys say about Linux stuff ;) |
| 22:40.02 | Mirell | Heh |
| 22:49.04 | rektide | anyone know what the dev board is akin to the ShivaPlug / OpenPlug / PlugComputer ? |
| 22:49.18 | rektide | its a marvell arm unit, ~1.2GHz, DDR2, Sata, gbit |
| 22:53.48 | calculus | rektide: these, http://www.marvell.com/products/embedded_processors/developer/kirkwood/openrd.jsp ? |
| 22:53.57 | rektide | yes thanks |
| 22:54.02 | rektide | i think i'm going to order one tonight |
| 22:54.15 | calculus | I sent them an email last week asking for more documentation |
| 22:54.24 | calculus | because I want some as well |
| 22:54.39 | rektide | life without FIS would suck, but it'd be better than nothing |
| 22:54.58 | rektide | i want to use it as a car computer, plugged in to a 4 bay SATA JBOD |
| 22:55.19 | rektide | hopefully i can get OpenWrt running on one |
| 22:55.20 | calculus | how would you get 4 bays, it only has 2 ports |
| 22:55.31 | rektide | thats what FIS is used for |
| 22:55.42 | rektide | bays have port multipliers |
| 22:56.19 | rektide | they operate via two different techniques, fis and "really crappy" mode i cant remember the name of |
| 22:57.07 | rektide | damn, its still "coming soon". i didnt see that last time. |
| 22:57.28 | calculus | I know, that is why I asked for more info |
| 22:58.18 | calculus | I wanted to know if I it is possible to boot off of the flash rom, or the sd card, or either of the two sata ports |
| 22:58.19 | rektide | god damnit. 16 bit memory interface. what the fuck is that. |
| 22:58.57 | calculus | I have seen some boards with compact flash and sata, but it can't boot off of the compact flash |
| 22:59.35 | rektide | i havent really thought of how i'm actually get the damned thing running |
| 22:59.45 | rektide | buy first, suffer latter |
| 23:01.57 | rektide | 16 bit memory interface, what the fuck |
| 23:02.01 | rektide | ddr2-800 |
| 23:02.09 | rektide | via a stir straw |
| 23:02.39 | calculus | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Port_multiplier (command-based switching is the other) |
| 23:03.30 | ds2 | ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwww Marvell ;) |
| 23:06.01 | rektide | who else sells SoC these days |
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| 23:06.06 | prpplague | ho ho ho |
| 23:06.11 | prpplague | merry freakin tuesday |
| 23:06.16 | rektide | gigabit, sata, ... real SoC |
| 23:06.19 | rektide | not toy on chip |
| 23:07.08 | prpplague | reaches into his magic red bag and hangs out porters,stouts and ales to everyone |
| 23:10.06 | calculus | saves it until after work |
| 23:10.06 | rektide | tomorrow is merry wednesday, cant wait |
| 23:10.06 | rektide | we bike around the city getting sloshed as hell |
| 23:11.11 | prpplague | rektide: which city is that? |
| 23:11.19 | rektide | Denver you spy |
| 23:11.25 | rektide | dont stalk me |
| 23:11.54 | prpplague | rektide: ahh indeed, don't forget to grab some lefthand, doesn't matter which brew, left hand doesn't make a bad one |
| 23:12.18 | rektide | we have some really good local brews |
| 23:12.59 | prpplague | rektide: you don't consider left hand local? |
| 23:13.07 | rektide | no they're local |
| 23:13.19 | prpplague | oh ok |
| 23:13.50 | prpplague | <rektide> gigabit, sata, ... real SoC |
| 23:13.57 | prpplague | real SoC? |
| 23:14.04 | rektide | those arent hard fast requirements, but they're indicative of being real SoC |
| 23:14.07 | rektide | system on chip |
| 23:14.33 | prpplague | hehe, yea i know SoC, just never had gigabit and data on a mobile SoC |
| 23:16.06 | rektide | yeah its a fairly atypical want, which is why its relegated to x86 for the most part |
| 23:16.34 | rektide | pci-e |
| 23:16.38 | rektide | thats really the biggest one for me |
| 23:17.07 | prpplague | rektide: oh admited that i've had a long day, but your nick seems familiar.... you working at AMD |
| 23:17.09 | rektide | if you dont have the standard high speed peripherial bus, you cannot talk to anything interesting, and you are wasting my time with your expensive glass |
| 23:17.27 | roxfan | marvelsheeva |
| 23:17.43 | rektide | i havent started doing pro hardware work, no |
| 23:17.46 | roxfan | marvel's sheeva got GbE and pci-e and sata |
| 23:17.54 | rektide | sheeva indeed, thats whre this conversation started |
| 23:18.09 | rektide | but i'm doubtful |
| 23:18.09 | prpplague | rektide: hehe |
| 23:18.10 | roxfan | ah missed it |
| 23:18.15 | rektide | it _looks_ like a real computer |
| 23:18.26 | rektide | but real computers need more than 400MHz of DDR2 through a 16 bit straw |
| 23:18.32 | rektide | it must be a ploy |
| 23:18.33 | Madsy^ | Anyone of you got a Sheeva yet? |
| 23:18.46 | rektide | i'm going to try and order a OpenRD, which is a sheeva dev board |
| 23:18.51 | roxfan | i have... haven't done much though |
| 23:18.56 | Madsy^ | I read on a Debian forum that someone got a DOA JTAG and USB, so I decided to wait |
| 23:18.58 | rektide | i need hte sata, which the SheevaPlug lacks |
| 23:19.28 | roxfan | Madsy^: i'm sure such case should be covered by warranty |
| 23:19.34 | roxfan | mine works fine |
| 23:19.53 | Madsy^ | roxfan: Sure, I just didn't know if it was an isolated case or not. |
| 23:19.54 | prpplague | rektide: i swear i have some doc at the office that has the name fowler on it |
| 23:20.03 | rektide | you are a spy |
| 23:20.11 | Madsy^ | You already need to wait for a month for them to complete your order. |
| 23:20.12 | rektide | ah its in my nick i didnt know that |
| 23:20.37 | rektide | its Fowle, not Fowler |
| 23:21.23 | prpplague | ahh long day, wince does that to your brain |
| 23:21.35 | rektide | go with god son |
| 23:22.02 | rektide | (speaking of the damned-- just felt compelled to throw that salvation out there) |
| 23:22.29 | prpplague | hehe |
| 23:23.20 | prpplague | rektide: i disagree though, pci and bios enabled devices aren't the most embedded friendly devices |
| 23:24.39 | rektide | i havent actually dealt with pci yet |
| 23:24.52 | prpplague | rektide: same type of conversation i've had with my bud jordan crouse aka cosmicpenguin who used to work in the AMD embedded division for a long time |
| 23:24.53 | ds2 | PCI ain't bad as long as you don't use batteries |
| 23:24.55 | rektide | but every system i'm interested in building needs external peripherials |
| 23:25.06 | prpplague | rektide: such as ? |
| 23:25.27 | rektide | network sound box |
| 23:25.59 | prpplague | rektide: hehe, the #1 selling internet radio box is based on the s3c2410 which doesn |
| 23:26.01 | rektide | lots and lots of sound inputs |
| 23:26.04 | prpplague | doesn't have pci |
| 23:26.09 | rektide | i2c usually works for sound |
| 23:26.15 | ds2 | uh... |
| 23:26.15 | ds2 | no |
| 23:26.22 | prpplague | ds2: hehe,?? |
| 23:26.30 | ds2 | <rektide> i2c usually works for sound |
| 23:26.39 | prpplague | hehe |
| 23:26.48 | ds2 | i2c rarely works for sound unless you are doing clicks or some odd tone generator |
| 23:26.55 | rektide | no? i thought there was a quasi standard for that |
| 23:27.15 | prpplague | maybe you ment i2s |
| 23:27.24 | rektide | yes pardon |
| 23:27.27 | rektide | significant difference |
| 23:28.02 | rektide | i want 16-20 192kHz 24bit sound inputs |
| 23:28.15 | rektide | although probably only half that will fit on one node |
| 23:28.34 | prpplague | rektide: ahh |
| 23:28.50 | prpplague | rektide: big difference |
| 23:29.08 | ds2 | tons of processors can do that |
| 23:29.15 | ds2 | no PCI required |
| 23:29.30 | rektide | true |
| 23:29.51 | ds2 | I have even seen it bit banged |
| 23:30.20 | rektide | thats horrific |
| 23:31.26 | ds2 | so, next reason why PCI is needed :D |
| 23:31.37 | rektide | a lot of what i used to want pci-e was for sata, but thats getting integrated more and more now |
| 23:31.53 | ds2 | why sata? |
| 23:32.43 | rektide | so, what i want is to be able to easily build custom mini computers |
| 23:32.58 | rektide | an embedded chip and a bunch of high band width IO in something a bit bigger than a pack of altoids |
| 23:33.04 | rektide | be it sata for a NAS, |
| 23:33.18 | rektide | four or six HDMI in a thin client, |
| 23:33.32 | rektide | something to make it so making these kinds of things is easy to do |
| 23:33.41 | rektide | laptops seem like a joke to me |
| 23:33.49 | rektide | screens and hard drive? built in? what on earth for |
| 23:34.01 | ds2 | it is available |
| 23:34.10 | rektide | minicomputers dont need to waste all that space |
| 23:35.06 | rektide | even mini-itx is too big |
| 23:35.34 | ds2 | picoitx |
| 23:36.33 | rektide | yeah |
| 23:36.51 | rektide | very much that |
| 23:37.10 | rektide | Via's disqualified, on account of not being a SoC, but that form factor |
| 23:39.20 | rektide | but thats what i want to be able to build, easily, and in a quasi-modular manner |