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| 09:39.09 | mne | Hi. I have an AT91SAM9260 controller. It is unclear to me how the system clock works and whether both PLLs can be used for my own purposes (e.g. to generate a programmable clock frequency on the PCKn pins of the controller). Can you help ? |
| 09:42.31 | mne | I looked at the linux-2.6.28/arm/arm/mach-at91/board-at91sam9261ek.c code. It uses PLLA to generate a clock frequency on the PCK0 pin. Does this mean, that both PLLs (PLLA and PLLB) can be used and for this reason they are not required to generate the system clock ? |
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| 10:07.18 | Phreakuency | morning all |
| 10:07.38 | Phreakuency | anyone else awake at this ungodly hour? |
| 10:16.22 | mne | I live in a different time zone, thus I'm awake I guess ;) |
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| 11:42.41 | damunix_ | hi all |
| 11:45.03 | damunix_ | a little question : on an ARM, if a pin is pull-up and output configured, should I need to configure PIN in INPUT mode to read if another device put a low level on the line |
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| 12:19.34 | mne | I'm not sure if I understand the question, but a pin can't be pull-up and output at the same time. If it's configured as output it is driving either high or low. However, if the pin is configured as input one can use pull-up or pull-down resistors |
| 12:24.38 | mne | damunix_, |
| 12:25.10 | damunix_ | yeah of course... |
| 12:25.20 | damunix_ | so I need to switch between input and output |
| 12:26.43 | mne | What are you trying to do anyway ? See if some device put a low level on the line and if not you enable output ? |
| 12:33.14 | mne | If that is what you're trying to do than you need to switch between input and output. Thus at first you configure the pin as input pin with the pull-up resistor enabled. You can then read the pin of any device pulled the pin to low. If not, you enable the output on the pin and there you go |
| 12:35.41 | MonMotha | mne: some platforms do allow you to configure outputs as pull-up enabled. If you drive it low, then you sink current from the pull-up. |
| 12:36.16 | MonMotha | some platforms also have a dedicated open-drain setting while others can emulate it by messing with a combination of data direction registers and output values |
| 12:37.48 | mne | I see, it depends on the platform then. |
| 12:38.44 | MonMotha | yeah. ARM doesn't really specify the nature of the I/Os, just the CPU core |
| 12:45.41 | damunix_ | in fact I found a kernel module that do exactly what I was writing |
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| 13:20.02 | methril|work | yo |
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| 14:12.04 | Phreakuency | hey all |
| 14:12.45 | Phreakuency | anyone here mind helping me out with an embedded Gpu question? |
| 14:14.36 | Phreakuency | On a 32bit P7 Xeon, I am trying to get 4 GPU's running, though it seems that because of the 32bit boundary I can't |
| 14:14.57 | Phreakuency | Anyone know of a way to lower the PCIe aperture size? |
| 14:15.34 | chouimat|away | morning |
| 14:15.43 | Phreakuency | morning |
| 14:18.23 | Phreakuency | hey chou, you know anything about x86 memory mapping? |
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| 14:42.58 | Phreakuency | hellooooooo...... |
| 14:51.28 | Mirell | Hi. |
| 15:01.41 | methril|work | hi |
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| 16:00.50 | Phreakuency | hey, anyone around? |
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| 17:03.39 | prpplague | ho ho ho, merry freakin monday |
| 17:03.57 | Mirell | prpplague: Good morning to you too! :D |
| 17:04.09 | prpplague | reaches into his big red bag and throws out wellbutrin and zoloft |
| 17:04.29 | Mirell | Yum |
| 17:04.42 | Mirell | is on the lovely daily conference call |
| 17:05.00 | prpplague | ok, so there is no "beeper" support in wince without having a full audio device |
| 17:05.45 | agaffney | lovely |
| 17:05.59 | prpplague | so i have to make a dummy driver for a non-existant audio device which then allows me to hijack the audio stream and use it as a beeper |
| 17:06.31 | Mirell | prpplague: On WinCE, even? |
| 17:06.54 | prpplague | Mirell: yea |
| 17:07.35 | Mirell | pats prpplague |
| 17:09.01 | prpplague | Mirell: wince programming is about where the linux kernel was back around 2.4.18 |
| 17:09.27 | Mirell | Ouch. |
| 17:09.53 | agaffney | ah, 2.4.18...Slackware 8.0 :P |
| 17:09.58 | agaffney | fond memories |
| 17:10.16 | prpplague | lots of disconnected sub systems, not very many HAL systems |
| 17:11.52 | agaffney | prpplague: why do people even bother with wince? :P |
| 17:11.53 | agaffney | is it just the "name" and the available applications? |
| 17:11.54 | agaffney | is there any "technical" reason why it's "better"? |
| 17:11.54 | prpplague | agaffney: mostly because of the ease of use, once you get a BSP done for your device, it's very very easy for people to customize the device |
| 17:11.54 | agaffney | BSP? |
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| 17:12.27 | prpplague | agaffney: board support package |
| 17:12.37 | agaffney | ah |
| 17:13.55 | prpplague | agaffney: you basically have three sections of dev for a device for both windows ce and linux: you have core driver support, based GUI support, and the userland support |
| 17:14.25 | prpplague | agaffney: for a linux device, say for instance a internet kiosk, you would need to do all three of those items |
| 17:14.58 | prpplague | agaffney: however on the wince side, becase all of the GUI support is standardized, you essentially get to skip a step |
| 17:15.29 | agaffney | do platforms like Android change that at all? |
| 17:15.48 | prpplague | agaffney: yes they do, that is why it has become so popular |
| 17:16.15 | prpplague | agaffney: android is doing what wince did by creating some standardized methods for doing things such as control panels |
| 17:16.16 | agaffney | and I assume the actual monetary cost of going with Android is far lower than wince |
| 17:16.35 | agaffney | are there any licensing costs for android? |
| 17:16.40 | prpplague | agaffney: i don't know the costs for android |
| 17:18.12 | prpplague | agaffney: i just wish i knew more people who do BSP work for wince |
| 17:18.54 | prpplague | agaffney: i'd say, 85 to 90 percent of the people who say they do "wince dev" are more on the userland side, very few actually do the BSP(or kernel driver) work |
| 17:19.13 | agaffney | sure, because that requires actual expertise |
| 17:19.19 | agaffney | I could do the userland stuff |
| 17:19.25 | agaffney | but kernel drivers are beyond my experience |
| 17:19.28 | agaffney | for windows or linux |
| 17:19.32 | prpplague | agaffney: and the ones that do know the kernel work don't like to share information |
| 17:19.44 | agaffney | different mentality than OSS |
| 17:20.21 | prpplague | indeed |
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| 17:35.31 | prpplague | dijenerate: cropover started yet? |
| 17:40.23 | dijenerate | prpplague: as of this weekend yes |
| 17:40.32 | prpplague | dijenerate: ahh |
| 17:41.14 | dijenerate | prpplague: did you see this? http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/magazine/8117619.stm |
| 17:41.22 | dijenerate | prpplague: I feel so old now |
| 17:41.29 | prpplague | looks |
| 17:42.24 | prpplague | hehe |
| 17:42.26 | prpplague | indeed |
| 17:43.50 | prpplague | dijenerate: i miss all the new music right before crop over |
| 17:44.27 | g1powermac | heya prpplague |
| 17:44.36 | prpplague | hmm come to think of it, a number of the radio stations are available online |
| 17:44.38 | prpplague | looks |
| 17:44.44 | dijenerate | prpplague: should be able to get that through file sharing by now |
| 17:45.01 | dijenerate | yes they are... MiXX, 95.3, 98.1 all are |
| 17:46.14 | dijenerate | prpplague: http://mixstream.sunbeach.net/mixstream.m3u |
| 17:47.23 | prpplague | dandy |
| 17:47.42 | prpplague | people in the office will think i've got a party going on |
| 17:49.24 | dijenerate | prpplague: http://asx.abacast.com/starcom-hott953-32.asx?ref=js&embedded=true&timeout=false&uofc=false |
| 17:49.30 | dijenerate | HoTT FM |
| 17:49.35 | dijenerate | prpplague: lol |
| 17:50.28 | ds2 | party good |
| 17:50.33 | prpplague | nice |
| 17:50.55 | prpplague | ds2: hey, so what's the story? coming to texas for awhile? |
| 17:51.14 | prpplague | ds2: or are you going to be the next unibomber and live in the woods for awhile? |
| 17:51.52 | ds2 | prpplague: donno... decision day is August... all of a sudden I am getting some more requests for quotes last week so I may hang on for a while longer |
| 17:52.03 | prpplague | ahh |
| 17:52.26 | Mirell | No, it's a trap! |
| 17:52.31 | Mirell | It's like 105F here now! |
| 17:52.39 | ds2 | prpplague: original plan was a road trip vacation but it is slowly morphing into an economic hibernation thing :( |
| 17:52.40 | prpplague | ds2: oh btw, the ME did a concept design for an beagle board tablet |
| 17:53.01 | ds2 | Mirell: I been in Phoenix, AZ on the 4th |
| 17:53.08 | ds2 | and it WAS 105 here yesterday! |
| 17:53.12 | ds2 | prpplague: what size LCD? |
| 17:53.33 | prpplague | ds2: 6" |
| 17:53.39 | prpplague | ds2: 800x600 |
| 17:53.43 | ds2 | Oh nice |
| 17:53.52 | ds2 | touch screen? |
| 17:53.55 | prpplague | yea |
| 17:54.07 | ds2 | how thick? |
| 17:54.53 | g1powermac | heya prpplague |
| 17:55.53 | prpplague | http://imagebin.ca/view/8lQb9lY.html |
| 17:56.08 | prpplague | ds2: i don't have all the dimensions hand |
| 17:56.11 | prpplague | handy |
| 17:56.34 | ds2 | nice |
| 17:56.41 | ds2 | is the case going to be ruggedized? |
| 17:56.44 | ds2 | and is this a product? |
| 17:56.48 | prpplague | ds2: i think for the next rev he is going to add a few buttons |
| 17:56.56 | prpplague | ds2: just me and the ME playing |
| 17:57.08 | ds2 | ah |
| 17:57.12 | prpplague | ds2: AML is pretty defunct on R&D |
| 17:57.17 | ds2 | we can make it real |
| 17:57.47 | ds2 | hard economic times and an addiction to mobile electronics is not a good mix :( |
| 17:57.57 | prpplague | indeed |
| 17:59.24 | ds2 | prpplague: what CAD is the ME using? |
| 17:59.31 | prpplague | solidworks |
| 17:59.39 | ds2 | prpplague: R&D for AML maybe defunct but what about R&D for TCT? :D |
| 18:00.09 | ds2 | do you have the modules to generate the STL or G-code to get that built? |
| 18:01.46 | prpplague | ds2: i'm not doing any work for TCT that i dont get paid for, that game ended awhile back |
| 18:02.27 | prpplague | ds2: i don't know the specifics of solidworks, but we could get SLS or SLA's done in 48 hours |
| 18:05.02 | g1powermac | prpplague, do i need to install any drivers to use the serial port on the the flyswatter on linux? |
| 18:05.11 | ds2 | prpplague: if that gets built, I think people might be willing to pay forit |
| 18:05.45 | prpplague | g1powermac: just need to have the ftdi_sio kernel module loaded, most distro's have it as part of their standard kernel build |
| 18:05.52 | g1powermac | k |
| 18:05.57 | prpplague | ds2: indeed |
| 18:06.14 | g1powermac | prpplague, I got the recent stable build of buildroot working for the z2 |
| 18:06.21 | prpplague | g1powermac: nice |
| 18:07.00 | g1powermac | now I want to build a kernel/system for it |
| 18:07.09 | g1powermac | or just get sdl working on it |
| 18:07.18 | ds2 | prpplague: but I am guessing that would make it an AML project since you'd have to get the SLA work done under their name to get the discounts? |
| 18:07.29 | g1powermac | loves what happens when he tries to run an sdl test app on the z2 using the z2 shell hack |
| 18:07.44 | g1powermac | I get a nice segfault and then the whole screen rotates |
| 18:07.56 | prpplague | ds2: no, the ME has the personal connections |
| 18:08.18 | ds2 | Oh nice |
| 18:09.22 | g1powermac | prpplague, the regular serial port on the flyswatter, would it be ttyUSB0 or ttyUSB1? |
| 18:18.55 | prpplague | g1powermac: usb1 |
| 18:19.01 | g1powermac | k, thankee |
| 18:22.27 | g1powermac | woo |
| 18:22.55 | g1powermac | using the flyswatter to give me a serial port on my imac so I can play with the zipit on the xubuntu vm running on the imac |
| 18:24.43 | prpplague | g1powermac: cute |
| 18:24.43 | ds2 | has anyone looked into building a AA powered PDA/tablet? |
| 18:25.02 | prpplague | ds2: you mean using standard AA batteries? |
| 18:25.14 | g1powermac | prpplague, yea, I'm doing this mainly because I killed my dev machine |
| 18:25.15 | ds2 | yep |
| 18:25.30 | g1powermac | prpplague, I tried to dist-upgrade it, it didn't go well |
| 18:25.48 | ds2 | prpplague: I am getting really tired of LiIon cells loosing capacity and having to pay 50% of the original price to get a replacement battery |
| 18:25.52 | g1powermac | and it really is just not worth trying to get it working again |
| 18:26.08 | prpplague | ds2: the Didj uses 4 AA's |
| 18:26.13 | prpplague | ds2: works pretty well |
| 18:26.26 | prpplague | ds2: you can use a TPS63000 from TI |
| 18:26.33 | g1powermac | there's a new xorg bug which kills my dual screen system, and the thing is over 5 years old anyhow |
| 18:26.36 | ds2 | what's the usage life on the Didj? |
| 18:27.25 | prpplague | ds2: average with full usuage is about 10 days |
| 18:28.01 | ds2 | is this the S3C2410? |
| 18:28.20 | prpplague | ds2: no its an ARM926 running at 393MHz |
| 18:28.36 | ds2 | oh... something that I cannot buy easily |
| 18:28.49 | prpplague | ds2: ?? |
| 18:28.56 | ds2 | does the diji have a network interface? (too lazy to look it up) |
| 18:29.02 | prpplague | no |
| 18:29.04 | ds2 | I assume it is using an off catalog processor? |
| 18:29.18 | prpplague | ds2: pollux from magic eyes |
| 18:29.29 | prpplague | ds2: are you wanting to do a board from scratch to use AA's? |
| 18:29.35 | ds2 | Ohhh no wonder... 10days.. no network interface |
| 18:30.05 | ds2 | prpplague: no, I want a processor board that can let me build a 7" or better tablet w/WiFi and Bluetooth that can run for at least 12hours on a set of AA's |
| 18:30.27 | prpplague | ds2: would do alot better with C's |
| 18:30.35 | ds2 | I get seriously killed by the WiFi power usage |
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| 18:30.59 | ds2 | C's are comparably more expensive. I am willing to use as many as 8 AA's |
| 18:31.14 | prpplague | ds2: thats doable |
| 18:31.22 | ds2 | I think Zeos had a 386 laptop on AA's |
| 18:31.45 | ds2 | prpplague: what WiFi? cuz on paper, I tweaked it up to about 8 hours max. |
| 18:31.58 | ds2 | (Cortex-A8 processor) |
| 18:32.16 | prpplague | ds2: 4 serial by 2 parallel , for a total of 8 batteries |
| 18:32.42 | ds2 | I don't care about the wiring unless there is some trick with converter efficiency I don't know about; I _WILL_ have to have a switcher |
| 18:33.30 | ds2 | the 8 hour max number is assuming I can find 3200mAH NiMH's |
| 18:33.48 | ds2 | most seems to be around 2800mAH |
| 18:33.53 | prpplague | ds2: that'd be about 5.5Volts x 2000mA |
| 18:34.02 | prpplague | ds2: sorry 4000mA |
| 18:34.11 | prpplague | ds2: 5.5V x 4000mA |
| 18:34.18 | ds2 | huh? |
| 18:34.30 | ds2 | how do you manage to get 5.5V from 4 series cells? |
| 18:34.57 | ds2 | Alkaline would be closer to 6 and NiMH/NiCd would be around 4.8 |
| 18:35.50 | prpplague | ds2: just a nominal value, if you figure that you had 4 batteries that were reading around 1.38 |
| 18:36.11 | ds2 | prpplague: what chemistry are you assuming? |
| 18:36.20 | prpplague | ds2: standard alkaline |
| 18:36.26 | ds2 | Ohhhhh |
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| 18:36.56 | ds2 | I guess I need to find better WiFi :D |
| 18:37.04 | prpplague | ds2: ?? |
| 18:37.28 | ds2 | prpplague: WiFi was my main power usage on the spreadsheet that I did the estimates on |
| 18:37.29 | prpplague | ds2: whats the total amp hours you need? |
| 18:37.56 | ds2 | I didn't run the estimates that way... I started with a fixed battery size and determined the hours I'd get |
| 18:38.04 | prpplague | ds2: ahh |
| 18:38.36 | ds2 | the goal of this is to use standard batteries so, I didn't think about figuring out the amount of power I needed |
| 18:40.25 | prpplague | ds2: yea if you do 4 series by 2 parallel, you could get a pretty good base of 5.5V x 4000mA as a base value |
| 18:40.45 | prpplague | ds2: probably more if you get some better batteries |
| 18:40.58 | prpplague | ds2: you can get some alkaline ones that are up to 3000mA |
| 18:40.59 | gandhijee | hey guys, do you know if there are any guidelines for placement of antenna's for wifi(802.11x)? |
| 18:41.16 | prpplague | gandhijee: yea, they are based on the 1/4 wave value |
| 18:41.24 | gandhijee | prpplague: thanks |
| 18:43.34 | ds2 | prpplague: For what I have in mind, Alkaline as the primary target is not desireable... at the least, I would have to use NiMH to start with |
| 18:44.11 | ds2 | i want something I can use daily... Alkalines would mean I need to buy them by the pallet full! |
| 18:44.15 | prpplague | ds2: the kids laptop i switched over to run a s3c2410 had a battery compartment for 4 AA's, most of the other ones i found only had 3 |
| 18:44.42 | ds2 | prpplague: i suspect the 3AA's (3AAA) deals out there are due to designers using a LDO for a 3.3V power supply |
| 18:44.49 | prpplague | ds2: oh so your aren't against rechargables, just against the cost and form factor |
| 18:45.42 | ds2 | prpplague: right. I don't want tohave to get a proprietary cell. I might even be okay with Li cells if they can be easily purchased and have a standard size (the easy purchase part is where it is failing) |
| 18:45.54 | prpplague | ds2: the TPS63000 would do fine with the rechargables |
| 18:46.04 | prpplague | ds2: the standard 18650 cells are pretty darn good |
| 18:46.09 | prpplague | ds2: thats what i use for my projects |
| 18:47.04 | prpplague | ds2: you can get 18650's in a wide variety of packages such as those for camcorders |
| 18:47.36 | prpplague | ds2: both the M5900 battery and the new battery for the M8050 are based on 18650's |
| 18:48.00 | ds2 | prpplague: really? is 18650 a physical spec or does that include the exact chemistry? (worried about 4.2V vs 4.1V termination issues) |
| 18:49.05 | prpplague | ds2: iirc 18650 only covers the physical spec, not the chemistry |
| 18:49.44 | prpplague | ds2: http://www.batteryspace.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWCATS&Category=739 |
| 18:50.02 | prpplague | ds2: 18650 is about 1/2 inch longer than a standard AA |
| 18:50.55 | prpplague | ds2: you can get them in packs or in singles |
| 18:51.01 | ds2 | charging a cell designed to terminate at 4.1V with a 4.2V charger can haveinteresting effects |
| 18:51.13 | prpplague | ds2: yea |
| 18:51.23 | prpplague | ds2: you have to make sure you have the right setting |
| 18:51.35 | ds2 | vs NiMH where the worse is you vent and loose the cell |
| 18:51.56 | ds2 | prpplague: trying to avoid stuff like that |
| 18:52.14 | prpplague | ds2: ?? |
| 18:53.48 | ds2 | prpplague: trying to avoid having to adjust things to prevent bad effects... I am hoping the batteries will need to be replaced at most once a year and that is a long time to remember to have to make tweaks |
| 18:53.56 | ds2 | AA's avoid that |
| 18:54.22 | ds2 | if did that, I might as well salvage a PDA battery...use it for a year, and rework the electronics for the next battery |
| 18:54.48 | prpplague | ds2: well as long as you use the same batteries you should have to adjust anything |
| 18:55.25 | ds2 | 4.2 vs 4.1 would be an adjustment unless I want to give up about 20% capacity and assume 4.1V termination |
| 18:56.07 | prpplague | ds2: again, if you are using the same type of batteries why would the 4.2v4.1 have to change? |
| 18:57.16 | ds2 | prpplague: because I donno if the chemistry will change on the 18650 battery that is being sold a year later on |
| 18:57.37 | prpplague | ds2: oh, trustme, if you order a 18650 it will be LiIon |
| 18:57.56 | prpplague | ds2: you aren't going to find 18650's with any other chemistry that LiIon |
| 18:58.03 | prpplague | s/that/than |
| 18:58.11 | ds2 | no no |
| 18:58.31 | ds2 | there are Li Ions with 4.1V termination and there are ones with 4.2V termination |
| 18:58.45 | ds2 | it is Lithium but the other parts of it are slighly different |
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| 18:59.08 | ds2 | supposely the termination voltage is on the datasheet (assumine one can get it) |
| 18:59.10 | prpplague | ds2: all of the 18650's are 4.2v |
| 18:59.24 | ds2 | prpplague: so the exact chemistry is part of the 18650 spec then? |
| 19:00.01 | prpplague | ds2: looking now |
| 19:00.23 | prpplague | ds2: yea looks so |
| 19:00.34 | ds2 | Ohhh that's different |
| 19:02.03 | prpplague | ds2: ahh, no the 18650 doesn't specify chemistry, but it does specify the voltage ranges |
| 19:02.20 | prpplague | ds2: 18650's must have 4.2v termination |
| 19:03.28 | prpplague | ds2: i don't think i've ever seen anything other than 18650's with LiIon |
| 19:03.43 | ds2 | prpplague: so I can safely design a single fixed charger for all 18650's |
| 19:03.53 | prpplague | ds2: yep |
| 19:04.04 | ds2 | the problem is there are slight variations under the Li Ion umbrella |
| 19:04.20 | ds2 | (as so nicely pointed by the TI tech day battery guy) |
| 19:04.49 | prpplague | ds2: yea, there are a number of very good LiIon chargers available have some smarts onboard |
| 19:05.24 | ds2 | prpplague: where would you rank the MAX1555? |
| 19:05.29 | prpplague | ds2: http://www.elinux.org/Lithium_Ion_Charger |
| 19:09.44 | ds2 | that looks complex compared to the MAX1555 |
| 19:10.13 | prpplague | ds2: complex? thats about as simple as you can get |
| 19:10.30 | prpplague | ds2: whats complex about it? |
| 19:12.18 | ds2 | prpplague: have you seen the MAX1555?! |
| 19:12.24 | ds2 | SOT23-5 |
| 19:12.55 | ds2 | 2 pins are for input (DC and USB), GND, battery and status |
| 19:13.39 | prpplague | ds2: how do you set the current charge rate? |
| 19:13.46 | ds2 | prpplague: it is fixed |
| 19:13.50 | prpplague | ds2: ahh |
| 19:14.02 | ds2 | an "idiot proof" design |
| 19:14.04 | prpplague | ds2: and i assume no enable line? |
| 19:14.19 | ds2 | there might be a flavor with enable.. MAX1554 or something like that |
| 19:14.19 | prpplague | ds2: whats the current charge rate fixed at? |
| 19:14.28 | ds2 | 100mA, IIRC |
| 19:14.43 | ds2 | so.. S L O W E R then molasses in antartica |
| 19:14.46 | prpplague | ds2: i tend to not use Maxim parts due to their deliverability |
| 19:15.00 | prpplague | ds2: ew 100mA would never cut it for me |
| 19:15.10 | ds2 | prpplague: agreed but this is one area that I want it to be relatively idiot proof |
| 19:15.35 | prpplague | ds2: yea it is an experience thing |
| 19:15.54 | ds2 | my bad, 280mA |
| 19:16.03 | prpplague | ds2: max for my board is 1500mA via the wall wart, or selectable between 100 and 500mA via usb |
| 19:16.18 | ds2 | prpplague: even with experience, one can screw up things when tired |
| 19:16.36 | ds2 | frying a processor is cheap. burning down your lab is not so cheap |
| 19:16.50 | prpplague | ds2: indeed, i simply meant that with experience you can often feel more comfortable using more complex designs |
| 19:17.38 | ds2 | prpplague: it isn't that... the more complex design has a lot more room for problems if the you deadbug prototype stuff |
| 19:17.39 | prpplague | ds2: 18650 packs generally are installed with a power chip that protects for overcurrent, undercurrent, overvoltage and overtemp |
| 19:18.08 | prpplague | ds2: you aren't doing a pcb design? |
| 19:18.14 | ds2 | prpplague: not initially |
| 19:18.23 | prpplague | ds2: oh |
| 19:18.30 | ds2 | if I am spinning a PCB, I might not be that worried |
| 19:20.30 | prpplague | ds2: if you are worried about safety, either buy a 18650 pack with a pcb already installed or purchase one seperately to use: http://www.batteryspace.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=3117 |
| 19:21.13 | prpplague | ds2: everything i buy already has one installed |
| 19:27.26 | ds2 | maybe I'll just a hybrid power device... AA's as an option for when the Li cells die while on the road |
| 19:28.55 | prpplague | ds2: interesting idea |
| 19:30.00 | ds2 | it is obvious that the netbook folks just don't give a crap about real users |
| 19:30.06 | ds2 | so time to build my own |
| 19:30.19 | ds2 | this EeePC is drivining me nuts |
| 19:31.16 | prpplague | ds2: hehe thats why i built mine |
| 19:32.02 | prpplague | ds2: i've been wanting to do a conversion kit for years, but never had the time or energy to do it |
| 19:32.53 | ds2 | prpplague: prephaps now is a good time |
| 19:33.37 | prpplague | ds2: http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=5788079 |
| 19:33.42 | prpplague | ds2: thats what i used as the base |
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| 19:34.41 | ds2 | too small of a screen |
| 19:34.49 | ds2 | and much bigger then what I want |
| 19:35.21 | prpplague | ds2: yea i replace the screen |
| 19:35.40 | prpplague | ds2: its just a 96x64 dot matrix style lcd |
| 19:35.51 | ds2 | but then you'd need to cut the plastic aroound the screen |
| 19:36.11 | ds2 | if I did something like that, I'd machine it out of sheet stock instead |
| 19:36.51 | prpplague | ds2: actually no, the plastic portion of the lcd section is made up from a number of seperate pieces, you just unscrew the pieces |
| 19:37.15 | ds2 | Oh |
| 19:38.56 | prpplague | ds2: for $50 you get the case with battery compartment for 4 AA's, standard SD card slot, functional keyboard, speakers, power buttons, volume control |
| 19:39.09 | prpplague | ds2: plenty of room inside the case for your own boards |
| 19:40.32 | ds2 | hmm |
| 19:40.32 | prpplague | ds2: i've also converted this one - http://www.toysrus.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2340839 |
| 19:40.41 | ds2 | bbl... lunch |
| 19:41.41 | prpplague | ds2: i started converting this one but never finished - http://www.toysrus.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2647159 |
| 19:56.24 | chouimat | wanders in |
| 19:57.25 | prpplague | chouimat: greetings frenchy |
| 19:57.41 | chouimat | prpplague: hi ... |
| 19:59.27 | prpplague | throws french fries, french mustard, and french bread at chouimat |
| 20:14.24 | prpplague | we had some ghost rain last friday evening |
| 20:14.41 | prpplague | only seen that 5 or 6 times |
| 20:14.57 | chouimat | prpplague: it's ok I not hungry yet |
| 20:15.55 | prpplague | chouimat: hehe |
| 20:17.14 | chouimat | ok time to clean this appartment ... soo much to do |
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| 22:13.03 | ds2 | hmmm |
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