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| 01:06.27 | Geep | Data on the peek is very, very sparse. From what I gather, the silicon already has support for irda, so it may be possible to do some hw modding. There is a flash util+image available here (http://blog.getpeek.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/PeekProntoUpdater.exe) |
| 01:09.19 | prpplague | Geep: greetings earthling |
| 01:09.35 | prpplague | Geep: feel free to register at elinux.org and add any info you can to the wiki |
| 01:10.06 | prpplague | Geep: several folks are already working on disassembing the code in the updater |
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| 03:42.33 | Mirell | Gah... |
| 03:44.32 | rektide | yesss the new clamp meter i ordered is in fact hall sensor equipped |
| 03:44.48 | rektide | not only can it read dc current, its not going to freaking blow at the task of doing so |
| 03:51.51 | Mirell | is having to pack for a last minute flight...not fun... |
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| 04:36.00 | Geep | Anyone have success disassembling the peek image? |
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| 04:43.47 | wileyq | hello world! |
| 04:44.09 | Mirell | 'lo wileyq |
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| 04:55.52 | davidc__ | Geep: peek image? |
| 04:57.01 | Geep | davidc__: Tucked away in the peek update ( http://blog.getpeek.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/PeekProntoUpdater.exe ) there is a complete (I believe) system image. |
| 04:57.56 | Geep | Also included - flash utility (tmsh. see http://www.peeklinux.com/index.php/Tmsh for details) |
| 04:58.01 | davidc__ | interesting |
| 05:03.41 | m4t | have any of you tried booting the netbsd evpppc kernel on a dht-walnut? |
| 05:05.35 | ohsix | what the fudge, you can get one of those things for 20$ now? |
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| 05:06.09 | ohsix | what does it do if you put a regular sim in it |
| 05:06.22 | m4t | i dunno |
| 05:06.34 | m4t | i was going to buy another, the auction you're looking at probably ;/ |
| 05:06.37 | ohsix | oh heh, not the walnut, this Peek thing |
| 05:06.40 | m4t | oh |
| 05:06.48 | m4t | sim |
| 05:06.54 | ohsix | i got a walnut ages ago and bricked it, haven't touched it since :> |
| 05:07.00 | m4t | ohh i was thinking simm |
| 05:07.20 | m4t | how'd you brick it, btw? |
| 05:07.30 | m4t | u-boot/ppcboot update? |
| 05:07.44 | ohsix | the links to buy one are at the bottom http://www.peeklinux.com/index.php/Main_Page |
| 05:07.57 | ohsix | eh munged one of the addresses in the nvram or something, dont remember |
| 05:08.03 | m4t | i just tested the convoluted transistor -> ground soft reset line on this jtag i made |
| 05:08.15 | m4t | i got an enclosure for the 'final' version from mouser today too |
| 05:09.19 | m4t | i guess i will just try a tftpboot and see wtf happens |
| 05:10.06 | m4t | anyhow, there has been a stream of walnuts from the same seller on ebay lately for 20$ |
| 05:10.19 | m4t | well, no buy it now but its not the most sought after item there, so.. |
| 05:10.31 | m4t | if you are interested |
| 05:10.46 | m4t | i have a mouser parts list for building a wiggler too |
| 05:12.06 | ohsix | yer i have all the parts i just haven't bothered |
| 05:13.13 | m4t | o |
| 05:13.33 | m4t | it took me a while, a few hrs of soldering, but i had to teach myself to solder in the process.. |
| 05:13.47 | m4t | i still need a 16pin shrouded idc |
| 05:13.51 | m4t | polarized |
| 05:13.57 | m4t | i forgot to buy it in my last order |
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| 05:40.18 | Mirell | Hmm... |
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| 07:44.01 | m4t | i got 2.6.24.7 goin |
| 07:44.07 | m4t | im gonna get it patched up nice then diff |
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| 11:31.02 | njueyt | http://tinyurl.com/nkypfa |
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| 14:01.44 | chouimat | morning |
| 14:03.28 | prpplague | chouimat: greeetings |
| 14:05.28 | gustavoz | morning. anyone knows what's up with freescale dropping everything arm-related in their website? |
| 14:08.02 | prpplague | not i |
| 14:08.09 | prpplague | that sounds rather interesting |
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| 14:11.01 | gustavoz | or rather terrifying if you're using their mx processors :) |
| 14:11.27 | chouimat | stopped a long time ago to try to understand marketing and business decisions ... they don't have to make senses |
| 14:12.18 | florian | gustavoz: oh well... waht's missing? |
| 14:13.20 | gustavoz | florian: can't seem to reach any of the i.mx pages, a couple days ago some processors went missing too but not all of them |
| 14:13.44 | gustavoz | going to the 32-bit section there are no arm processors to speak of. |
| 14:14.35 | Madsy | They're not on the purchase page either |
| 14:14.49 | Madsy | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:15.38 | florian | gustavoz: strange... a new one appeared some weeks ago |
| 14:16.09 | prpplague | or maybe they have sold their arm section to someone but haven't announced it yet |
| 14:16.52 | gustavoz | most likely scenario i suppose, the tessera litigation would have blocked other products as well |
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| 14:19.01 | prpplague | hmm network hiccup |
| 14:21.22 | prpplague | no gossip on the net that i can find regarding freescale/arm issue |
| 14:21.50 | chouimat | hmmm what I do today? |
| 14:22.13 | florian | ChanServ: find out what's up with freescale ;-) |
| 14:22.48 | prpplague | http://www.powerdeveloper.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=1725&sid=cc2f3a36c5fce5ad5f8121a8b6e064ee |
| 14:22.54 | chouimat | florian: hehe ... not sure if this sound more fun than doing the cleaning of my office |
| 14:22.56 | prpplague | seems a number of people have noticed |
| 14:24.18 | cmw | prpplague: uploading some stuff for you |
| 14:24.45 | chouimat | bbiab need coffee |
| 14:38.17 | prpplague | cmw: dandy |
| 14:38.19 | prpplague | GPSFan: ping |
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| 14:48.22 | chouimat | hmmm 13 outside |
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| 17:19.10 | calculus | I think I saw some ppc processors drop from freescale a while ago |
| 17:19.32 | calculus | the mpc5123 |
| 17:20.46 | calculus | it was supposed to have a dev board that sounded interesting for $200 |
| 17:20.58 | calculus | but I never saw it available |
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| 18:05.28 | _ABC | do yall think its fine to not get an eval/dev board if your just starting out on ARMs? |
| 18:09.34 | Madsy | _ABC: Well, you could use an emulator instead. GBA, NDS, SkyEye or QEMU |
| 18:10.11 | Madsy | But in the end, they aren't replacements. Code which works in emulators/simulators doesn't necessarily run on the real thing |
| 18:10.19 | _ABC | Madsy: emulators also do circuit simulation? |
| 18:10.33 | Madsy | Most of them don't. |
| 18:10.43 | _ABC | oh so its only code |
| 18:11.07 | Madsy | A simulator is more accurate than an emulator, but also slower. |
| 18:11.19 | _ABC | i see |
| 18:11.20 | Madsy | Most emulators don't simulate a real memory bus for example |
| 18:11.51 | Madsy | Nor do most of them have cycle correct timings for instructions. |
| 18:12.06 | _ABC | mhm |
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| 18:12.20 | Madsy | And none I know of emulates actual TLB fetches or cache/write buffers. |
| 18:12.40 | Madsy | Simply because those concepts are black boxes which the running code can't probe. |
| 18:12.55 | Madsy | But they do make a difference in timing. |
| 18:12.59 | _ABC | but how do emulators work in conjunction with external parts, like hardware connected to the ARM? |
| 18:13.10 | _ABC | or i guess its only software aspect |
| 18:13.28 | Madsy | The ones I know of have hardcoded peripherals. I.e they emulate a particular board. |
| 18:13.37 | Madsy | For game emulators it makes sense. |
| 18:13.41 | _ABC | ahh |
| 18:14.07 | _ABC | particular board as in eval/dev/boards? |
| 18:14.48 | Madsy | Take Gens and ZSnes for example. A Sega Genesis emulator and a SNES emulator. |
| 18:15.21 | Madsy | Both TV consoles had fixed hardware, with some add-ons. |
| 18:15.32 | _ABC | okay |
| 18:15.43 | Madsy | They both support most add-on peripherals and cartridge chips. |
| 18:15.54 | _ABC | mmm |
| 18:16.25 | _ABC | by the way, would you happen to know if there are emulators for fpgas? |
| 18:16.35 | Madsy | No idea. Probably. |
| 18:16.45 | _ABC | alright, thanks |
| 18:18.16 | Madsy | I feel I was a bit unclear regarding hardcoded peripherals. What I mean is that most emulators don't support easy "plug peripherals". |
| 18:18.25 | Madsy | Which means they don't emulate the memory bus or pin layout. |
| 18:18.50 | Madsy | Some simulators do though. |
| 18:19.56 | _ABC | i see |
| 18:20.18 | calculus | when I was using the free xilinx ise webpack, it had simulator stuff to test the vhdl before the board was programmed |
| 18:20.46 | _ABC | cool |
| 18:21.23 | Madsy | Handy. Saves the flash from a useless write. |
| 18:21.46 | _ABC | yep |
| 18:22.07 | _ABC | calculus: so it simulates on board devices? |
| 18:27.56 | calculus | _ABC: oh, I don't know about that... ours was a simple fpga with some user buttons, switches and 7 segment displays... if the fpga was wired to accept input from the switches, I believe there was a toggle in the simulator to see how that would affect the output |
| 18:29.16 | _ABC | calculus: ooh i see |
| 18:30.25 | _ABC | thanks :) |
| 18:30.53 | calculus | my board: http://www.digilentinc.com/Products/Detail.cfm?NavPath=2,400,421&Prod=NEXYS |
| 18:31.46 | calculus | that description seems deceiving, I don't remember there being a ps2 port for mouse/keyboard |
| 18:32.09 | _ABC | ok |
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| 18:33.30 | _ABC | calculus: nice board! so in the simulator you could also do USB? |
| 18:34.44 | calculus | _ABC: for me the USB was used for either programming it or providing power, I don't think I had any designs that used the USB |
| 18:35.06 | calculus | so I can't say if the simulator did that |
| 18:36.00 | roxfan | _ABC: you can also use some random phone for playing with ARM |
| 18:36.14 | calculus | that opensparc board seems exciting... too bad it is $$ |
| 18:36.21 | _ABC | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:36.34 | _ABC | roxfan: what do you mean? |
| 18:36.47 | _ABC | roxfan: reverse engineernig? |
| 18:36.51 | roxfan | most phones nowadays use arm processor |
| 18:37.06 | roxfan | and many of them have been hacked to allow custom programs/firmware |
| 18:37.10 | _ABC | that requires alot of "hacking" |
| 18:37.11 | _ABC | yeah |
| 18:37.29 | _ABC | and mp3s too |
| 18:37.36 | roxfan | there are also various other small applience like zipit or whatnit |
| 18:37.46 | calculus | probably a friendlyarm or beagleboard to get started |
| 18:38.34 | _ABC | well i am kind of choosing between a dev board for either ARM or FPGA, since they are pretty expensive |
| 18:38.48 | ds2 | ARM? expensive? Hmmmmm |
| 18:39.05 | roxfan | you can have a luminary board for <$50 |
| 18:39.23 | ds2 | you can have an analog devices board for <$30 the last I checked |
| 18:39.46 | _ABC | well i was targeting at dev/eval boards |
| 18:39.49 | ds2 | and if you are willing to work a bit, a juicebox for < $15 |
| 18:39.54 | _ABC | bith lcds/touchscreen |
| 18:40.00 | _ABC | with* |
| 18:40.29 | roxfan | well, lcd+touchscreen won't be very cheap |
| 18:40.41 | _ABC | yea |
| 18:41.11 | roxfan | although you could get some ipaq from ebay :) |
| 18:41.25 | _ABC | i guess i might just go with playing around with my ARM mp3 and getting an fpga dev board |
| 18:41.30 | calculus | technologic systems has some arm+fpga boards |
| 18:41.34 | ds2 | along those lines, there is also the previous generation of palms |
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| 18:46.00 | _ABC | oh hey TI's ARM used as a netbook's CPU www.alwaysinnovating.com |
| 18:47.30 | chouimat | hmmm this mini35 look interesting |
| 18:49.53 | ds2 | Blah |
| 18:50.02 | ds2 | build it yourself |
| 18:52.16 | chouimat | ? |
| 18:52.23 | prpplague | hehe |
| 18:52.37 | ds2 | prpplague: how goes the peek'ing? |
| 18:52.52 | prpplague | cmw has been doing most of the software hacking right now |
| 18:53.08 | prpplague | ds2: i had a migraine yesterday , and today i'm backed up with a ton of work |
| 18:53.21 | ds2 | prpplague: I saw. |
| 18:53.44 | ds2 | manage to find one despites the efforts of the target inventory system to thawrt me |
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| 19:01.03 | chouimat | is not impressed with the software ... unable to find any shipping method to this address ... wtf??? |
| 19:03.11 | florian | re |
| 19:06.57 | florian | prpplague: Do you have an idea how to mark an elinux wiki page as spam? |
| 19:09.41 | prpplague | florian: only a sysadmin can delete the page |
| 19:09.47 | prpplague | florian: is there some new spam? |
| 19:10.03 | prpplague | looks at recent changes |
| 19:10.25 | prpplague | florian: we've been having hell with some spammers |
| 19:12.04 | florian | prpplague: linuxtogo wiki is pretty clean when we introduced questions to answer for edits |
| 19:12.28 | prpplague | florian: yea wmat and i were discussing that |
| 19:12.28 | florian | eeks... my english sucks a little bit today |
| 19:12.39 | Crofton | florian, still better than my German |
| 19:12.54 | florian | prpplague: http://www.elinux.org/User:318_buy_baclofen |
| 19:13.11 | florian | Crofton: :-) |
| 19:13.13 | prpplague | flavioribeiro: yea just removed |
| 19:13.22 | flavioribeiro | upz, tab fail |
| 19:13.25 | flavioribeiro | hohoho |
| 19:14.10 | prpplague | hehe |
| 19:14.12 | prpplague | flavioribeiro: sorry |
| 19:14.21 | flavioribeiro | no problem |
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| 20:32.43 | prpplague | ~weather KDFW |
| 20:33.10 | prpplague | nice and warm today |
| 20:36.31 | chouimat|away | prpplague: it's cold here today |
| 20:37.39 | prpplague | chouimat|away: your mum show up yet? |
| 20:38.25 | chouimat|away | prpplague: she left yesterday |
| 20:38.35 | chouimat|away | prpplague: you will like this one http://punditkitchen.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/political-pictures-native-americans-border-patrol.jpg |
| 20:39.03 | prpplague | chouimat|away: hehe good one |
| 20:40.07 | Mirell | i'm on a plane |
| 20:40.17 | Mirell | Er, |
| 20:40.21 | Mirell | i'm on a plane! |
| 20:41.01 | Mirell | Above 10,000 feet even |
| 20:44.53 | prpplague | Mirell: hehe |
| 20:45.04 | prpplague | Mirell: where you headed? |
| 20:45.14 | Mirell | prpplague: The OC |
| 20:45.26 | Mirell | prpplague: Apparently got on the one of four Southwest WiFi equipped planes |
| 20:45.50 | prpplague | Mirell: the OC? |
| 20:46.13 | Mirell | prpplague: Orange County, California |
| 20:46.21 | prpplague | ahh |
| 20:46.51 | prpplague | Mirell: not the part of the world i concern myself with, hehe |
| 20:47.37 | prpplague | good god it is hot in the office today |
| 20:47.44 | prpplague | ~weather KDFW |
| 20:48.06 | Mirell | prpplague: Yep..Yep.. |
| 20:48.14 | Mirell | prpplague: I'm more fascinated I'm online on da plane really though |
| 20:48.24 | prpplague | Mirell: hehe |
| 20:48.35 | prpplague | Mirell: that means you can do more "work" |
| 20:49.49 | Mirell | prpplague: The More work has mostly been, "I'M ON A FREAKIN' PLANE" to every one I know online at this rate |
| 20:50.01 | prpplague | hehehe |
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| 20:53.01 | prpplague | Mirell: headed out to do some cisco work? |
| 20:54.32 | Mirell | prpplague: Of course |
| 20:54.49 | prpplague | Mirell: sounds like this cisco gig is working out well for you |
| 20:55.02 | prpplague | Mirell: what's landley doing ? |
| 20:55.07 | Mirell | prpplague: The money/suck ration is still all right |
| 20:55.22 | Mirell | prpplague: But the fact that they called me 12 hours before to tell me I need to be on a plane, |
| 20:55.40 | prpplague | Mirell: hehe an emergency meeting? |
| 20:55.42 | Mirell | prpplague: It's the last-minute that kills me |
| 20:56.00 | Mirell | prpplague: Last minute crunch |
| 20:59.39 | prpplague | ahh i see, landley is looking to move to london |
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| 23:53.50 | pliny_the_ill | Hi all. I'm trying to figure out inter-process communication for an OpenEmbedded platform. i've been using Sys V message queues for "1-to-1" and "n-to-1" situations (like ten different processes need to send commands to one process) and it's been working well. Now I'm trying to figure out "1-to-n", like 1 process needs to publish some data that 10 processes are interested in. After reading about memory-mapped files and shared mem |
