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| 00:20.20 | cmw | joe_bleau: not that we have found but currently we don't really need it |
| 00:20.30 | cmw | we can flash directly t |
| 00:24.14 | joe_bleau | I was thinking more reverse engineering and debug than re-flash at this point. |
| 00:24.33 | joe_bleau | With JTAG, we might be able to bust in a probe memory on a running system. |
| 00:24.54 | cmw | joe_bleau: well using the tmsh you can read/write memory while it's running |
| 00:25.08 | joe_bleau | I'm worried about the peripheral registers, especially since it looks like the datasheet will be un-obtainable. |
| 00:25.12 | cmw | so currently i can't see a real need for jtag |
| 00:25.20 | cmw | well that's why god gave us IDA :) |
| 00:25.39 | joe_bleau | Nice...so you can probe around and locate the framebuffer, for instance? |
| 00:26.47 | cmw | well you can just look at the disasm and figure out where it is |
| 00:28.30 | joe_bleau | Has anyone been able to upload and run their own code yet? |
| 00:28.32 | cmw | actually i mapped a function last night that used the LCD |
| 00:28.43 | cmw | 0xFFFF A000 |
| 00:28.57 | cmw | that's the LCD register which uses a FIFO for FB |
| 00:29.16 | cmw | it's connected to CS1 |
| 00:29.39 | joe_bleau | How did you id CS1? Is it marked on the PWB? |
| 00:29.44 | cmw | joe_bleau: heh as far as i know no one else is actively working on it... |
| 00:30.34 | cmw | joe_bleau: i have reversed a ton of the firmware... so you can figure it out after a while |
| 00:31.01 | joe_bleau | Yet. I'm trying to talk myself into it. |
| 00:32.59 | joe_bleau | I take it the micro-usb connector on the side is acutally a TTL level UART, not USB? The Wiki isn't clear on that. |
| 00:35.36 | cmw | http://www.peeklinux.com/index.php/Upgrade_cable |
| 00:35.38 | cmw | seems clear to me |
| 00:38.21 | joe_bleau | To me, it looks like a cable that connects D- to TXD and D+ to RXD. |
| 00:38.56 | cmw | yep |
| 00:39.18 | cmw | eh no |
| 00:39.24 | joe_bleau | See? ;-) |
| 00:39.41 | cmw | you should fix it :) |
| 00:39.49 | cmw | it's gotta be a cross over |
| 00:40.01 | cmw | D- to RXD |
| 00:40.05 | cmw | D+ to TXD |
| 00:40.20 | cmw | i had to put my scope on it to figure it out :P |
| 00:40.35 | joe_bleau | Is the connector on the Peek USB electrically, or a UART? |
| 00:41.06 | joe_bleau | I'm thinking I can just run a level shifter and go straight into a regular COM port and skip this whole USB mess. |
| 00:42.08 | cmw | joe_bleau: you need it to be USB to use the peek flashing tools |
| 00:43.04 | joe_bleau | Oh, it talks to the prolific driver directly, instead of the virtual com port? |
| 00:53.53 | cmw | joe_bleau: it looks for the prolific device then obtains the com port from the name |
| 00:54.29 | cmw | joe_bleau: update the upgrade cable page if you have a moment :) |
| 00:55.08 | joe_bleau | I'll try to get to it in a bit. Clearing off a section of benchtop at the moment for a new hack project. |
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| 02:09.32 | m4t | i found an atomic clock for 9$ on clearence at walmart |
| 02:09.51 | m4t | i wonder if it has rtc + the receiver chip/antenna i have been considering getting from digikey |
| 02:12.27 | m4t | i wonder if i can interface to it via gpio |
| 02:12.31 | m4t | like i2c or smthng |
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| 02:12.44 | m4t | it seems easy enough to open up |
| 02:15.54 | joe_bleau | C-max or Temic? |
| 02:16.22 | joe_bleau | The WWVB clocks I've played with had one input to enable the receiver, and one output. |
| 02:16.22 | m4t | c-max |
| 02:16.41 | joe_bleau | Yeah, I've been meaning to order some of those eval kits myself. |
| 02:16.57 | m4t | heh i *might* have saved like 3$ + shipping doing it this way |
| 02:17.28 | joe_bleau | One year I logged the datastream during the leap second, and discovered that they were late updating the code! |
| 02:18.22 | m4t | hah did you use a scope? |
| 02:19.01 | m4t | the one i got is a 'BII' blackwoodindustries.com |
| 02:19.28 | joe_bleau | No, I had one of my embedded designs sampling the data line at 100Hz. I think I decoded it after the fact, |
| 02:19.41 | joe_bleau | but the next leap second I was decoding in real time and logging. |
| 02:20.13 | joe_bleau | My radio clock ignored the leap second info in the datastream. |
| 02:20.33 | ds2 | does that stream include timezone info? |
| 02:20.37 | m4t | no |
| 02:20.41 | joe_bleau | Somewhere I even have an avi file of the leap showing the miss. |
| 02:20.50 | m4t | its like a 1 bit per second 60s stream |
| 02:20.50 | joe_bleau | It doesn't know where you are... |
| 02:20.59 | m4t | designed in the 50's or 60's i think |
| 02:21.08 | ds2 | I wonder how the off the shelf clocks figure it out |
| 02:21.27 | joe_bleau | pulse width varies to indicate 1 or 0 (and 10s/60s framing). |
| 02:22.01 | joe_bleau | http://tf.nist.gov/stations/wwvbtimecode.htm |
| 02:22.16 | joe_bleau | BCD, mostly. |
| 02:28.38 | m4t | i thought about getting an atmega328 board to do the decoding, and then serving it to my walnut somehow, maybe via serial or ircomm |
| 02:28.59 | m4t | i might try to interface it directly from the receiver (+rtc?) via gpio though |
| 02:31.09 | m4t | hrm it works |
| 02:31.53 | m4t | kind of ironic i got an alarm clock now, any alarm clock, partially so that i don't sleep through work after staying up till 4am working on my project which in part is to interface a radio clock to my walnut |
| 02:32.12 | m4t | but i might tear the alarm clock apart to interface it to my walnut |
| 02:32.13 | m4t | hah |
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| 03:42.08 | m4t | anyone know if there is a way to embed a squashfs into the kernel and use it like an initramfs/initrd? |
| 03:42.21 | m4t | or any fs, for that matter |
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| 03:50.40 | agaffney | m4t: the kernel only supports "embedding" an initramfs |
| 03:50.57 | agaffney | any reason you can't use initramfs? |
| 03:51.11 | agaffney | I imagine cpio can get close in size to squashfs |
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| 04:19.10 | solar | with what flags? |
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| 04:22.46 | m4t | agaffney yea i did it with a .cpio |
| 04:22.50 | m4t | and got it working |
| 04:24.14 | m4t | i couldnt figure out how to do a root=/dev/ram0 initrd=0x0a20000,8M type deal |
| 04:24.34 | m4t | i did a mkimage with the squashfs initramfs image i had |
| 04:25.05 | m4t | and then did something like bootm 400000 a20000 |
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| 04:25.58 | m4t | the initramfs.tar that oe put out seemed kinda broken too |
| 04:26.19 | m4t | the statically linked busybox worked, as in rdinit=/bin/sh, but the /bin/sysvinit (dynamically linked) didnt execute |
| 04:26.59 | m4t | the walnut is actually still happily pinging away, actually, i just can't kill off the ping from the serial line for some reason |
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| 04:49.41 | m4t | cpio.gz is about the same size as a squashfs though |
| 04:50.11 | m4t | i dunno if the squashfs stays small in ram or not |
| 04:50.33 | m4t | i know there is an option in uhm, maybe 3.3, that lets you choose the number of cache segments to save ram |
| 04:50.53 | m4t | i would think the cpio, even if it is embedded as .gz, is uncompressed fully to become the initramfs |
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| 07:05.31 | m4t | http://www.embeddedarm.com/products/board-detail.php?product=TS-8100 <---saw this in circuit cellar, looks quite nice |
| 07:05.39 | m4t | no sata or ide though... |
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| 08:03.08 | methril|work | yo |
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| 09:09.44 | boris_OmegA | hi there |
| 09:09.59 | boris_OmegA | i'm currently trying to build SDL port of webkit for an ARM9 arch, and i experience issues while linking owb binary...here is "make owb" output : http://pastebin.com/d6775a33f |
| 09:10.16 | boris_OmegA | i have many undefined reference to glibc |
| 09:10.34 | boris_OmegA | in libraries that had been built with the same toolchain |
| 09:10.38 | boris_OmegA | i really don't understand |
| 09:11.42 | boris_OmegA | can you, please, help me ? |
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| 12:51.58 | chouimat | morning |
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| 13:30.39 | cmw | joe_bleau: since you didn't update the site i did |
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| 14:35.30 | cmw | ds2: there is a target here on longisland with 9 peeks |
| 14:35.34 | cmw | 3 of each model |
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| 16:23.53 | prpplague | greetings earthlings |
| 16:24.42 | agaffney | waves |
| 16:28.04 | prpplague | ~lart agaffney |
| 16:28.04 | purl | shoves a crumpet down agaffney's throat, happy now?! Huh? Want some JAM with that? |
| 16:28.09 | prpplague | hehe |
| 16:28.14 | prpplague | agaffney: whats cookin today? |
| 16:28.59 | chouimat|busy | prpplague: hi |
| 16:29.13 | prpplague | chouimat|busy: greetings frenchy |
| 16:29.31 | prpplague | throws french fries, french mustard and french bread at chouimat|busy |
| 16:29.44 | prpplague | keeps the french wine for himself |
| 16:30.17 | prpplague | chouimat|busy: you started using your "will code for food" sign yet? |
| 16:31.15 | chouimat|busy | no |
| 16:31.30 | prpplague | chouimat|busy: hehe |
| 16:31.34 | prpplague | jokes with chouimat|busy |
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| 16:31.53 | chouimat|busy | currently trying to kick myself to finish the stuff I have to do in this room ... mainly cleaning and rearrange the furnitures |
| 16:32.31 | prpplague | realizes that he hardly knows anyone in the channel anymore |
| 16:32.37 | prpplague | lots of lurkers |
| 16:33.24 | chouimat|busy | ok bbl lunch time |
| 16:33.39 | prpplague | later |
| 16:34.22 | prpplague | hmm, i'm gonna send out about 15 hammer kits, gotta find some folks to do some dev/projects |
| 16:35.29 | agaffney | prpplague: I just called AT&T to try to renew my contract 2 months early to get an iphone 3gs :P |
| 16:35.34 | agaffney | no dice |
| 16:35.42 | prpplague | doh |
| 16:35.42 | mnemoc | prpplague: working for tct now? |
| 16:35.47 | prpplague | mnemoc: no |
| 16:35.56 | prpplague | mnemoc: going to purchase them myself |
| 16:36.01 | mnemoc | oh |
| 16:36.44 | prpplague | mnemoc: btw, when are you going to be back where i can send your stuff? |
| 16:36.59 | mnemoc | prpplague: sep 2nd |
| 16:37.12 | prpplague | mnemoc: okie dokie |
| 16:37.17 | mnemoc | :) |
| 16:37.18 | prpplague | marks it on his calendar |
| 16:37.34 | prpplague | mnemoc: you've got a hammer kit as well coming |
| 16:37.42 | mnemoc | :D |
| 16:37.57 | mnemoc | makes the dance of joy |
| 16:38.18 | mnemoc | \\o o// |
| 16:39.37 | prpplague | needs to find a usb sim card reader |
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| 16:58.48 | prpplague | Christos_N: greetings |
| 16:59.55 | Christos_N | Hi !! |
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| 17:36.01 | ds2 | make a 6410 hammer board!!! |
| 17:51.24 | cmw | ds2: so picked up 9 more for $9.99 each |
| 17:51.32 | cmw | target dropped the price on aqua/cherry to $9.99 |
| 18:00.18 | ds2 | cmw: what do I ask for to get a price adjustment? |
| 18:02.32 | cmw | ds2: like on one you already bought? or a new one |
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| 18:52.50 | ds2 | yeah, I got a few days ago |
| 18:53.17 | ds2 | I guess I can do a return and buy again |
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| 18:54.13 | ds2 | not sure how that'd work with it being opened |
| 18:57.55 | cmw | ds2: na just take your receipt back and they will give you the difference |
| 18:58.02 | cmw | go to customer service and say you need a price adjust |
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| 20:07.15 | nooblet | do any of you guys mess with ecu systems? |
| 20:09.25 | prpplague | ecu? |
| 20:10.13 | nooblet | cars motorcycles... wow im spacing the tla |
| 20:10.38 | nooblet | electronic control unit i think |
| 20:11.14 | nooblet | i guess im just asking if that counts as embedded |
| 20:12.44 | prpplague | nooblet: it does, but its a little outside of the area that most people here tinker around with |
| 20:13.06 | nooblet | what do ppl normally tinker with? |
| 20:19.08 | prpplague | most here in #edev work on repurposing devices such as the Peek or Didj |
| 20:19.35 | nooblet | what successes have you guys had? |
| 20:20.02 | prpplague | plenty, been doing it for years |
| 20:20.21 | prpplague | i myself have done probably 20 different devices |
| 20:22.08 | nooblet | is there anything if i had access to a jtag i could repurpose as a primer |
| 20:25.54 | prpplague | http://www.elinux.org/Hardware_Hacking |
| 20:26.59 | cmw | prpplague: you dont have my cluster up there :) |
| 20:27.13 | cmw | prpplague: http://www.cmw.me/?q=node/2 |
| 20:27.17 | prpplague | cmw: hehe, add whatever you like, it is an open wiki |
| 20:27.56 | prpplague | cmw: yea i remember reading about that |
| 20:29.34 | nooblet | i wonder what would be the best portable under 40 bucks i could read pdf's on the bus with |
| 20:34.36 | mnemoc | .oO( under 40 bucks? )o |
| 20:34.42 | nooblet | prpplague: thanks dude your crazy help |
| 20:34.53 | nooblet | for 150 i could watch porn if i bought a beagle board |
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| 20:35.35 | nooblet | didj is only like 60 i thought |
| 20:36.02 | mnemoc | and the display? |
| 20:36.21 | nooblet | oh i would just borrow one from the trash |
| 20:36.50 | nooblet | i would love epaper ... but thats 300 right there then i wouldnt be asking under 40 |
| 20:36.52 | mnemoc | so you assume built-in VGA |
| 20:37.05 | nooblet | vga? |
| 20:37.17 | mnemoc | plug, for the display from the tash |
| 20:37.21 | mnemoc | trash* |
| 20:37.26 | mnemoc | db9, whatever |
| 20:37.42 | nooblet | nah no idea |
| 20:37.47 | mnemoc | .oO( what's the name of that plug??? )o |
| 20:37.53 | nooblet | svideo |
| 20:37.56 | nooblet | and dvi |
| 20:37.59 | nooblet | is on beagle |
| 20:38.04 | mnemoc | oh |
| 20:38.08 | mnemoc | ok |
| 20:38.14 | nooblet | but i dont know how svideo relates to vga |
| 20:38.19 | nooblet | i think they are simaliar |
| 20:38.39 | mnemoc | de-15 it was |
| 20:39.22 | nooblet | yeah db15 |
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| 20:39.56 | nooblet | well there 15 pin im trying to think but the board doesnt have that and by trash i was thinking more along something i could actually use protable |
| 20:40.08 | mnemoc | =) |
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| 20:40.33 | nooblet | i would use this http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=9069 |
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| 20:40.38 | nooblet | if its what i think it is |
| 20:40.51 | mnemoc | i didn'T remember the beagle had dvi |
| 20:41.10 | nooblet | i dont own one so .... all i say could be a lie |
| 20:42.48 | prpplague | i own two beagles and they site around doing nothing most of the time |
| 20:43.03 | nooblet | wanna sell one? |
| 20:43.48 | nooblet | i cracked the screen on my laptop and my laptop is slower then the beagle prolly by alot |
| 20:44.19 | prpplague | sorry no, i have to have them for testing adding on boards |
| 20:44.43 | nooblet | its cool i just want a laptop |
| 20:45.01 | nooblet | how flakey are they? |
| 20:45.25 | prpplague | flakey? as far as know they aren't at all |
| 20:45.36 | nooblet | i miss the uptimes being around 2years it seems my powersupplies fry before i get to two years anymore |
| 20:45.49 | nooblet | the distro's... hardware im sure is solid |
| 20:47.05 | mnemoc | what a turn :p |
| 20:49.37 | nooblet | from the days of plug and pray? |
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| 20:55.52 | nooblet | so do any of you own a didj? |
| 21:03.10 | prpplague | owns 5 |
| 21:04.12 | mnemoc | now understands why prpplague doesn't want to move anywhere else |
| 21:04.17 | nooblet | prpplague: i noticed you did some work with them, would it be hard to compile a pdf viewer and get the pad as a workable input device? |
| 21:04.23 | prpplague | mnemoc: ?? |
| 21:04.35 | mnemoc | prpplague: you own tons of sh* |
| 21:04.37 | prpplague | nooblet: xpdf runs fine on it |
| 21:04.44 | prpplague | mnemoc: hehe, not really |
| 21:04.58 | nooblet | did you jtag it at all or just use tho soldered uart? |
| 21:05.00 | mnemoc | :) |
| 21:05.20 | nooblet | its already gpl from what i read |
| 21:05.23 | prpplague | nooblet: the works |
| 21:05.39 | nooblet | did you post any of your jtag information anywhere online |
| 21:06.03 | prpplague | nooblet: the problem was they didn't tell people it was linux and then after we reverse engineered it and found linux they dragged their feet for about 3 months before they released the source code |
| 21:06.26 | prpplague | nooblet: no, i've been extremely busy on some new products for the last 6 months |
| 21:06.38 | nooblet | so you do this for a job too? |
| 21:06.43 | prpplague | yea |
| 21:07.16 | prpplague | nooblet: the vast majority of people in this channel are professionals |
| 21:07.33 | nooblet | if i could find a job i would be a professional |
| 21:07.57 | nooblet | i dropped out of computers when i left college been a extreme sports bum till now hence why im here |
| 21:08.06 | nooblet | i never really liked coding i just like tinkering |
| 21:08.34 | nooblet | i kinda could use a job better then cleaning toliets at mcee dees |
| 21:09.50 | nooblet | would you rather i act more "Professional?" |
| 21:10.43 | prpplague | nooblet: we only have a few rules around here, no spamming of urls , no large pastes, no foul language |
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| 21:14.02 | nooblet | yeah but as like the trash on the sidewalk if everyone cleaned up a little extra of the trash. everyone would be less likely to contribute to the clutter. ive always been against victimless crimes and for freedoms. but with so many ppl crying for interventions. i feel its hard to do anything more then live by example of taking responsibility for my actions |
| 21:18.19 | nooblet | are there any other input output for the didj besides the one you documented for the serial console? |
| 21:18.39 | prpplague | nooblet: spi i2c pwm and some gpios |
| 21:19.26 | nooblet | prpplague: wow thanks again |
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| 23:40.58 | Mirell | Hmm... |