| 00:05.20 | ds2 | ARRRRRRRG |
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| 00:33.21 | joe_bleau | Yow. That can't be good. |
| 00:33.31 | prpplague | joe_bleau: probably not |
| 00:34.22 | joe_bleau | No, ds2 was frustrated. My comment wasn't aimed at you. |
| 00:34.37 | joe_bleau | Find a job yet? |
| 00:38.21 | joe_bleau | I wonder what's up with Freescale not being able to sell the i.MX stuff in the US 'till 2010 |
| 00:40.54 | ds2 | I am getting irked at a plastics guy who can't make parts to print |
| 00:41.58 | joe_bleau | molded or machined? |
| 00:42.01 | ds2 | Print calls out +0.000,-0.005... on an edge that is 4.500, it measures 4.474 |
| 00:42.03 | ds2 | laser cut |
| 00:42.20 | joe_bleau | How thick? |
| 00:42.31 | ds2 | 0.121 holes are coming up about 0.126-0.130 (missing gage pins) |
| 00:42.37 | ds2 | 0.167 range |
| 00:42.59 | joe_bleau | Our laser (2kW) tends to put a bit of a taper on stuff, especially 0.25" or thicker. |
| 00:43.11 | joe_bleau | It does sound like he's not compensating for the kerf. |
| 00:43.19 | ds2 | oh there is taper, I am measuring at the largest part |
| 00:43.33 | joe_bleau | Ouch, Sorry 'bout that. |
| 00:44.16 | ds2 | this is the best of all the parts so far... first set - he lacks the right materials and arbitarily cuts them out on other stuff (called out 0.250 ABS, he cuts it in 0.167 Acrylic without notifying or asking) |
| 00:44.35 | ds2 | so I go back and redesign based on what he has... |
| 00:44.38 | joe_bleau | Is it too late to switch to another supplier? |
| 00:44.47 | ds2 | yep |
| 00:45.46 | ds2 | hence the frustration |
| 00:46.08 | joe_bleau | We had a molded piece come in something like 0.1" undersize. |
| 00:46.18 | joe_bleau | Needless to say, we made our boards fit the mold. |
| 00:46.25 | ds2 | heh |
| 00:46.46 | ds2 | is the mold maker also the injector? |
| 00:47.06 | joe_bleau | In our case, no. The moldmaker was the injectors son in law. |
| 00:47.06 | ds2 | i know about the black art of compensating for shrinkage with injection molding |
| 00:47.17 | ds2 | ah |
| 00:47.19 | joe_bleau | This wasn't a shrinkage error. |
| 00:47.24 | ds2 | oh |
| 00:47.43 | joe_bleau | I think they fubar'd the model. The SLA was correct, as I recall. |
| 00:48.08 | ds2 | solidworks? |
| 00:48.08 | joe_bleau | We've not had good experiences with molders. |
| 00:48.17 | joe_bleau | I dunno...maybe? |
| 00:48.41 | ds2 | haven't had the fortune of having enough volume to justify molding anything |
| 00:49.55 | joe_bleau | Damn..their website is down. They had an animated GIF of one of our tools on their. |
| 00:50.27 | ds2 | is this the protomold folks? |
| 00:50.36 | joe_bleau | Nope. |
| 00:51.36 | joe_bleau | We've used protomold and quickparts for low volume small molds. |
| 00:51.45 | ds2 | are they any good? |
| 00:51.46 | joe_bleau | I think we prefer quickparts these days. |
| 00:51.51 | joe_bleau | Yes, they are. |
| 00:51.59 | joe_bleau | One is usually much cheaper than the other. |
| 00:52.13 | joe_bleau | Quote through both, as a check. |
| 00:52.16 | ds2 | so both of them are at least good enough to make a part to print? |
| 00:52.38 | joe_bleau | Sure. One has a machining service for really low volumes, too. |
| 00:52.48 | ds2 | I can do machining myself |
| 00:52.54 | joe_bleau | Not a lot of material choice at <1k parts. |
| 00:52.59 | joe_bleau | And they own the tool. |
| 00:53.03 | ds2 | indeed |
| 00:53.18 | joe_bleau | Obviously, polishing drives the cost way up. |
| 00:54.56 | ds2 | depends on how many slaves you got :D |
| 00:55.17 | joe_bleau | I meant at QP or PM. |
| 00:55.26 | joe_bleau | We had trouble with a tool that was built in China. |
| 00:55.37 | joe_bleau | They couldn't understand what double lead screw thread was. |
| 00:55.43 | ds2 | I am assuming they are doing the work in asia |
| 00:56.01 | joe_bleau | QP and PM, I believe, do it onshore, actually. That's a good question though. |
| 00:57.41 | ds2 | Hmmm |
| 00:58.07 | ds2 | and they charge less then $10-$20K for a 100-200 unit run? |
| 00:58.49 | joe_bleau | I don't handle the invoices, but I'm pretty sure our last run was less than $8k for 250 or 500 parts. |
| 00:59.41 | ds2 | almost makes me want to know what shop is machining the molds |
| 01:01.45 | joe_bleau | I was under the impression they did it in house. |
| 01:02.10 | ds2 | it is a very good price |
| 01:03.05 | joe_bleau | With the current economy, I suspect a lot of moldmakers would be looking for new business. |
| 01:05.01 | ds2 | good point |
| 01:06.22 | Nick_Garwood | Good moldmakers have nothing to worry about |
| 01:06.51 | Nick_Garwood | Finding a good one is like bumping your ass on the moon |
| 01:07.14 | Nick_Garwood | And that goes for machining in general |
| 01:07.42 | ds2 | that's unless their loyal customers all go out of business |
| 01:10.20 | Nick_Garwood | I'm just saying that, from my own past experience, good contract machine shops are fantastically rare and hard to find these days. |
| 01:13.53 | ds2 | rare as in all the good one went out of business? |
| 01:15.10 | Nick_Garwood | No, rare as in skilled machinists are disappearing far faster than colleges and trade schools can replace them |
| 01:15.24 | ds2 | ah |
| 01:15.38 | ds2 | machinist schools are rare |
| 01:15.56 | Nick_Garwood | Yes they are |
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| 01:17.39 | joe_bleau | Anymore, it seems like there's no respect for a profession where hands get dirty. |
| 01:18.12 | kergoth | indeed, it's sad |
| 01:18.50 | kergoth | http://www.thenewatlantis.com/publications/shop-class-as-soulcraft is a great article on the subject |
| 01:19.11 | ds2 | the few that remain like the one I went to got rid of the advance classes and just focuses on churning out operators |
| 01:20.14 | Nick_Garwood | From the machinists I've talked to, it's quite the opposite, and more a matter of the job becoming too sophisticated for the average worker |
| 01:21.50 | joe_bleau | See, I think it's the high school guidance department: if you take calculus, they steer you away from the technical trades (shop, welding, etc.). |
| 01:22.28 | ds2 | it is worse then that, the math classes don't teach real math anymore |
| 01:23.11 | ds2 | focusing on numeric answer instead of proper symbolic solving of things |
| 01:23.54 | Nick_Garwood | Simple arithmetic is all you really need; the necessary skill that is in such short supply is that old ability to "think things through" and plan the work |
| 01:28.54 | ds2 | simple math is fine but forcing calculators on people is just.... |
| 01:31.02 | joe_bleau | I guess as long as the calcs are RPN... |
| 01:31.04 | joe_bleau | ;-) |
| 01:31.40 | ds2 | I much rather see answers like 1*sqrt(2) not 1.41 |
| 01:31.43 | Mirell | Mmm, HP48GX... |
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| 12:58.00 | chouimat | morning |
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| 15:16.27 | Mirell | Mornin' |
| 15:18.08 | chouimat | Mirell: hi |
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| 15:45.16 | GPSFan | prpplague: ping, 2 questions... can I get any info on the tct breeder board? |
| 15:46.24 | prpplague | GPSFan: lets /msg |
| 15:54.09 | mbuf | prpplague, hey! |
| 15:54.15 | prpplague | mbuf: greetings |
| 15:54.21 | mbuf | prpplague, long time! |
| 15:54.25 | mbuf | prpplague, how are you doing? |
| 15:54.27 | prpplague | indeed |
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| 16:18.16 | Mirell | Hmm... |
| 16:43.03 | chouimat | this is boring |
| 16:46.48 | Mirell | Heh |
| 17:12.34 | Mirell | One phone interview down... |
| 17:25.22 | chouimat | Mirell: those are the worst kind ... never know if you screwed it or not ;) |
| 17:31.43 | Mirell | Yah |
| 17:31.55 | Mirell | chouimat: It especially sucks when it's just with an HR person who's a non-techie |
| 17:32.18 | chouimat | yup ... |
| 17:32.57 | chouimat | brb ... out of milk for my coffee |
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| 17:51.28 | chouimat | prpplague: wb |
| 17:51.34 | prpplague | thanks |
| 17:51.38 | prpplague | had to do a reboot |
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| 18:00.06 | chouimat | prpplague: received the devkit8000 ... |
| 18:03.47 | prpplague | chouimat: dandy |
| 18:03.54 | prpplague | chouimat: thats 3530 based right? |
| 18:04.24 | chouimat | yes |
| 18:07.03 | prpplague | dandy |
| 18:09.53 | chouimat | prpplague: will just need to get a zippy for my beagle one day |
| 18:10.22 | prpplague | chouimat: and a doghouse |
| 18:10.26 | prpplague | chouimat: don't forget that |
| 18:12.35 | chouimat | hehe |
| 18:13.52 | prpplague | chouimat: should be $30 for the doghouse and $79 for the zippy |
| 18:14.02 | chouimat | doghouse? |
| 18:16.02 | prpplague | chouimat: case for the beagle |
| 18:16.04 | prpplague | one sec |
| 18:16.07 | chouimat | k |
| 18:16.13 | prpplague | i thought everyone know about it, hehe |
| 18:16.29 | chouimat | I took a few months off :) |
| 18:16.40 | prpplague | http://imagebin.ca/view/L9m6FgIi.html |
| 18:16.51 | prpplague | designed for the beagle+zippy |
| 18:17.01 | chouimat | and even when I was working for axentra I was too tired to do anything home :) |
| 18:20.20 | calculus | prpplague: did you design two doghouses?, rev b and rev c boards have some ports on different sides |
| 18:20.40 | prpplague | calculus: only for revC boards |
| 18:20.57 | chouimat | ok then I won't get one :) |
| 18:21.00 | prpplague | calculus: but you could cut the hole for revB if you wanted to |
| 18:21.07 | calculus | but zippy works with either? |
| 18:21.07 | prpplague | chouimat: why? |
| 18:21.13 | prpplague | calculus: correct |
| 18:21.16 | chouimat | I have a rec B |
| 18:21.38 | chouimat | and I missed you last comment :) |
| 18:21.40 | prpplague | chouimat: just need an razor blade to cut the whole for the dvi connector |
| 18:22.01 | calculus | I think some of that information should be present on the webpages |
| 18:22.16 | calculus | at least for the zippy since that is out |
| 18:23.18 | calculus | chouimat: there is special computings acrylic case for rev b (and rev c) |
| 18:23.50 | prpplague | calculus: what information is that? |
| 18:24.01 | chouimat | calculus: I have a few 2" stand so I use this :) |
| 18:24.26 | calculus | prpplague: compatibility with revisions of beagleboards |
| 18:25.10 | prpplague | calculus: ahh so you want a note stating that the zippy is compatible with all revisions of the beagle? |
| 18:25.37 | calculus | prpplague: I think that would be helpful beagleboard users |
| 18:25.46 | calculus | otherwise it will become an FAQ |
| 18:25.50 | calculus | :) |
| 18:26.01 | prpplague | calculus: where do you want that information? on the TCT site or the wiki? |
| 18:26.22 | calculus | ooo, good question |
| 18:27.10 | calculus | how have most people found out about the zippy? |
| 18:27.57 | prpplague | no clue |
| 18:28.22 | prpplague | calculus: i don't even like the beagle(or OMAP) |
| 18:29.14 | Mirell | Heh. |
| 18:29.29 | Mirell | prpplague: I'm just annoyed at the lack of conflicting documentation about it.. |
| 18:29.44 | prpplague | hehe |
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| 18:37.22 | Mirell | Hmm...another phone interview in an hour... |
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| 20:27.19 | prpplague | needs more coffee |
| 20:27.23 | prpplague | ho ho hum |
| 20:27.34 | prpplague | still trying to find out whats going on with this board |
| 20:27.39 | solar | it's the afternoon. No more coffee. You should be abusing HFCS this time of day |
| 20:30.27 | prpplague | solar: hey bud |
| 20:30.32 | prpplague | solar: whats cookin? |
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| 20:35.17 | Mirell | is wishing he had better pain meds currently... |
| 20:43.43 | prpplague | doh pcb footprint is incorrect!! |
| 20:48.10 | prpplague | Mirell: what? beer not enough? |
| 20:49.53 | Mirell | prpplague: Not really, I may have a herniated disc which is causing all this pain |
| 20:50.00 | Mirell | prpplague: Going to get an MRI tomorrow... |
| 20:50.20 | prpplague | Mirell: yea i was just joking with you, my brother had to have surgery for that as well |
| 20:51.35 | Mirell | prpplague: Ouch. Mine is theoritically only a few mm out of alignments or whatnot, but MRI to be sure, but it still hurts. But not surgically necessary doctors don't think at this point. |
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| 20:55.02 | prpplague | Geep: greetings |
| 20:57.24 | prpplague | @#$%@!$% |
| 20:57.37 | prpplague | i'm gonna have to double check every freaking connector on this board |
| 21:01.04 | Mirell | o.O |
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| 21:45.35 | prpplague | Mirell: got some work on the hook? |
| 21:46.40 | Mirell | prpplague: Nope, phone interviews, but nothing so far, no. |
| 21:47.27 | prpplague | Mirell: okie dokie, hopefully i'll hear back on some of these quotes soon |
| 21:50.19 | Mirell | prpplague: I'm definitely interested if you have anything, but I'm also trying to find work on my own as well. |
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| 22:00.46 | prpplague | Mirell: np, i know how it is |
| 22:01.38 | prpplague | GPSFan: ping |
| 22:02.08 | GPSFan | prpplague: pong |
| 22:02.34 | prpplague | GPSFan: you have a look at that schematic? |
| 22:04.34 | GPSFan | indeed I did, it was interesting, I hadn't seen the 74AVC4T series parts. I'm not sure that the McBSP3 mux selection will be in the correct directions for the ADC, I need to look at it more carefully. |
| 22:06.10 | GPSFan | prpplague: I did get a start on the schematic for a first shot at my ADC board. but now it's almost time to head down to the brewery for a pint or two. ;>) |
| 22:08.15 | prpplague | GPSFan: now is the time to make some changes to the schematic if needed |
| 22:08.25 | prpplague | GPSFan: we only have first rev proto's |
| 22:09.34 | GPSFan | prpplague: I'm not going to be around tomorrow, will comments by monday be ok? |
| 22:09.45 | prpplague | GPSFan: yep |
| 22:09.52 | prpplague | GPSFan: no later than wed. |
| 22:10.08 | GPSFan | prpplague: ah, thanks, I will dig deeper over the weekend. |
| 22:10.20 | prpplague | GPSFan: i've got a big contract i'm trying to finish quickly, so i'll be in and out over the weekend |
| 22:12.38 | GPSFan | all that I think I might suggest is possibly adding a few more buffers so I can get McBSP3 out with the proper directions to support the I2S ADC, I'm not sure whether it needs to be master or slave at the moment but I should be able to figure it out this weekend |
| 22:14.16 | prpplague | GPSFan: okie dokie |
| 22:14.57 | GPSFan | prpplague: I can see by the clock that it's almost beer:30 cul... |
| 22:17.39 | prpplague | GPSFan: indeed i need to stop and get some on the way home |
| 22:33.43 | Mirell | prpplague: That could be easily solved if you had a kergerator at the office. |
| 22:33.51 | prpplague | hehe |
| 22:34.11 | Mirell | Woo, yet another phone interview scheduled. |
| 22:40.26 | kergoth | grats |
| 22:40.29 | kergoth | good luck |
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| 22:47.00 | Mirell | kergoth: Thanks |
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| 23:33.09 | ds2 | Meow |
| 23:33.54 | rektide | i finally got my openrd vaguely working |
| 23:34.12 | rektide | spent all this bloody fucking time trying to get it to boot, first from usb, then from sd |
| 23:34.39 | rektide | usb failed only after i got it working barebones then plugged in peripherials on the one usb por |
| 23:34.43 | rektide | sd never worked |
| 23:35.15 | rektide | and the ubifs process just wasnt going right for the nand, until i just happened to try a newer kernel |
| 23:35.24 | rektide | freaking 40hrs of wasted motion |
| 23:50.05 | prpplague | ds2 wolf wolf |
| 23:50.19 | prpplague | ds2 finally got the omap3525 talking |
| 23:54.22 | ds2 | prpplague: nice, what did you wind up doing? |
| 23:54.29 | Mirell | Hmm... |