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| 01:31.30 | prpplague | chouimat: what did you see? |
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| 01:55.09 | GPSFan | prpplague: hey dude, how goes the board bring up?? |
| 01:56.36 | prpplague | GPSFan: all done, just doing docs and such |
| 01:56.45 | prpplague | GPSFan: should be able to pick up a check on friday |
| 01:57.05 | GPSFan | so you found the mmc problem ? |
| 01:57.21 | prpplague | GPSFan: yep, incorrect info in the datasheet |
| 01:57.34 | prpplague | GPSFan: TI will have a correction posted by friday |
| 01:58.44 | GPSFan | Ha!! when all other posibilities are eliminated, what's left must be the truth... |
| 01:59.05 | GPSFan | checks are good too |
| 01:59.17 | joe_bleau | That's a pretty timely correction from TI, if they keep their word. |
| 02:00.12 | prpplague | joe_bleau: the OMAp3525-HiRel CBC package is a pretty high profile and high dollar item, so they want to keep their customers happy |
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| 02:03.45 | prpplague | GPSFan: indeed |
| 02:03.58 | prpplague | GPSFan: hopefully get the line on some more OMAP3 bringups |
| 02:04.14 | prpplague | GPSFan: i really enjoyed the last two weeks of board bringup |
| 02:05.34 | prpplague | GPSFan: i need to get more stuff on my website and i need to get some business stuff done, i.e. some business cards and related stuff |
| 02:05.34 | joe_bleau | Do you get to keep any of the hardware? |
| 02:05.59 | prpplague | joe_bleau: no, pretty heavy NDA and such |
| 02:06.16 | GPSFan | prpplague: that's good, I got my beagle booting angstrom, my hdmi cables came and seem to work fiine. As far as I can tell, my problem was (is) with x-load, somehow the copy(s) I had or how I put it on the sd card made the BB not happy once the kernel started up. I'm still pokeing at what the issue might be. |
| 02:06.20 | joe_bleau | Too bad. I've kept one of everything, 'cept the first job. |
| 02:06.54 | prpplague | joe_bleau: i'm not a hardware collector, once it boots i kinda loose interest |
| 02:07.31 | GPSFan | prpplague: I can use my self compiled (CodeSourcrey or buildroot toolchain) and both work ok. |
| 02:08.21 | joe_bleau | I like keeping an archive. But all that stuff was pretty simple/low-end stuff. |
| 02:08.43 | GPSFan | whereas they didn't with the x-load I was using. |
| 02:10.57 | prpplague | GPSFan: yea i've heard that x-load has some problems with some toolchains |
| 02:11.11 | prpplague | GPSFan: ive actually started using u-bootv2 as my x-load replacement |
| 02:12.15 | GPSFan | I'd like to play a bit with u-bootv2, but I was concerned I had a major problem with my BB, turns out not so I can now do some playing... |
| 02:13.03 | GPSFan | I'd still like to figure out the x-load issue, but it's not as critical now. |
| 02:13.07 | prpplague | GPSFan: indeed |
| 02:13.17 | GPSFan | prpplague: speaking of stuff, might you be able to ship that package sometime soon? just wondering if you'd forgotten with all the "excitement" going on with your new business... |
| 02:14.12 | prpplague | GPSFan: hehe, no i haven't forgotten, just been very busy, i have you a zippy, and some other fun bits, anything specific you might want? |
| 02:14.29 | GPSFan | gold bars ;>)) |
| 02:14.35 | prpplague | hehe |
| 02:14.42 | GPSFan | jokes with prpplague |
| 02:15.28 | GPSFan | prpplague: a zippy would be much appreciated... |
| 02:16.00 | prpplague | GPSFan: lcd stuff for the beagle is a hot item, interested in a PSP display and such? |
| 02:16.21 | GPSFan | yikes, is tct doing a display interface too? |
| 02:16.56 | prpplague | yea we have 4 boards in the works, Zippy, Breeder, ShowDog, and Trainer |
| 02:17.02 | prpplague | Showdog is the LCD board |
| 02:17.17 | GPSFan | as one might expect... |
| 02:17.44 | GPSFan | trainer beeing some more advanced prototype board? |
| 02:18.16 | prpplague | GPSFan: basically a arudinomega mated with a beagle |
| 02:18.34 | prpplague | GPSFan: you'll be able to use the same arduino shields without mods |
| 02:18.49 | GPSFan | and the sound it makes is arudinooooooowwwwwww |
| 02:19.34 | GPSFan | better stop while he's ahead... |
| 02:20.14 | prpplague | GPSFan: yea well, the beagle and arduino are both items i have no clue why people love, but they do and that is where the money is |
| 02:20.51 | prpplague | GPSFan: i'll be making the final decission on the doghouse over the weekend |
| 02:21.15 | prpplague | GPSFan: i really need to sell about 300 cases to make it worth my time |
| 02:21.16 | GPSFan | prpplague: yep, gotta go with the flow, and if you have good luck with the hardware, make the most of it. |
| 02:21.34 | GPSFan | what fits in the DH? beside the BB |
| 02:21.47 | prpplague | GPSFan: the zippy |
| 02:21.53 | prpplague | GPSFan: its a matched case |
| 02:22.28 | GPSFan | any thoughts on a PDA like thingy withe BB, DH & SD inside? |
| 02:22.38 | prpplague | http://imagebin.ca/view/L9m6FgIi.html |
| 02:22.46 | prpplague | GPSFan: yea looking at that too |
| 02:23.07 | joe_bleau | Don't forget IrDA. |
| 02:23.18 | GPSFan | cool, you have your stereo lith parts yet? |
| 02:23.21 | prpplague | joe_bleau: who uses irda? |
| 02:23.37 | prpplague | GPSFan: ?? |
| 02:23.43 | joe_bleau | We do. Looking at making a PDA type device on our own, if we have too. |
| 02:23.54 | joe_bleau | I'd rather buy one though. |
| 02:24.10 | prpplague | joe_bleau: send me specs, be happy to have a look |
| 02:24.16 | GPSFan | prpplague: are you doing a proto run with soft tools of going directly to hard tooling? |
| 02:24.19 | prpplague | joe_bleau: dave123rad@yahoo.com |
| 02:24.26 | prpplague | GPSFan: directly to hardtool |
| 02:24.40 | joe_bleau | Palm Z22, Palm Zire 21, something like that works great for us. |
| 02:24.58 | prpplague | joe_bleau: that is a little vague |
| 02:25.05 | joe_bleau | We're flexible. |
| 02:25.07 | prpplague | joe_bleau: you needing something with OMAP3? |
| 02:25.14 | prpplague | joe_bleau: or just something with linux support? |
| 02:25.24 | joe_bleau | Well, we used to work with PalmOS on dragonball, so... |
| 02:25.46 | joe_bleau | linux or baremetal |
| 02:25.48 | prpplague | joe_bleau: you have a target price? |
| 02:26.03 | GPSFan | prpplague: g'night. gotta run, a SD would be welcome too, I'd owe you a beer or 3.... |
| 02:26.07 | prpplague | GPSFan: later bud |
| 02:26.24 | joe_bleau | Not sure...$100-$200? |
| 02:26.28 | prpplague | yikes |
| 02:26.43 | prpplague | joe_bleau: z2 might be better for you |
| 02:26.50 | joe_bleau | I doubt we could buy more than 100-200/year. |
| 02:27.21 | prpplague | joe_bleau: not sure what you indeed on doing with them, but the Z2 might fill the bill |
| 02:27.35 | joe_bleau | Data transfer with our embedded products. |
| 02:27.54 | prpplague | joe_bleau: ahh the z2 would probably be more than enough |
| 02:27.54 | joe_bleau | Palm doesn't make anything with IR anymore; they've abandoned us. |
| 02:28.14 | prpplague | joe_bleau: you could even use a Didj with a IR cart |
| 02:28.24 | joe_bleau | I might be able to modify a HP-50G; it has SD and IrDA, but range limited. |
| 02:28.48 | joe_bleau | Yeah, maybe. SD slot would be nice, but USB mass storage acceptable. |
| 02:28.59 | prpplague | joe_bleau: at $35 the Z2 would be pretty dandy |
| 02:29.07 | prpplague | heads to the house |
| 02:29.08 | joe_bleau | Not sure how long I can get Didj or Z2, though. |
| 02:29.10 | joe_bleau | Ok, thanks. |
| 02:29.38 | prpplague | joe_bleau: that's the thing , if you want small qty and long term availibity, you are going to pay for it |
| 02:30.24 | prpplague_afk | joe_bleau: might look into using the Z2 atleast in the short term |
| 02:31.10 | prpplague_afk | joe_bleau: only other option is to use something like M8050 from AML , but you going to pay around $800USD for the base model |
| 02:31.22 | prpplague_afk | joe_bleau: but they'll be available for atleast 6 years |
| 02:31.24 | joe_bleau | Well, we haven't been paying for it for the last ~10 years, so that's a tough argument. |
| 02:31.56 | joe_bleau | I'm still thinking micro, small LCD, SD slot, IrDA, purchased or low-volume molded enclosure. |
| 02:32.22 | prpplague_afk | joe_bleau: so not a true handled, but more or less a data collector |
| 02:32.41 | joe_bleau | Sure. |
| 02:33.20 | joe_bleau | Don't need barcode scanner, doesn't really need to be IP69K, maybe doesn't even need color LCD. |
| 02:33.34 | prpplague_afk | http://www.barcodesinc.com/images/models/lg/AML/m5000.jpg |
| 02:33.36 | joe_bleau | bluetooth would be nice. |
| 02:34.03 | prpplague_afk | bluetooth without a more powerfull SoC is going to bump up the cost |
| 02:34.14 | prpplague_afk | joe_bleau: how does the M5000 look? |
| 02:34.21 | prpplague_afk | joe_bleau: the case i mean |
| 02:34.52 | joe_bleau | Lots of buttons, ugly LCD. Case looks like the Pactec/BUD stuff in the Mouser catalog we were looking at. |
| 02:35.20 | joe_bleau | Doesn't have to have Li battery; two AA cells might actually be better for us. Ambivalent on that one. |
| 02:35.22 | prpplague_afk | hehe, well it was the #1 selling datacollector for 4 years |
| 02:35.36 | prpplague_afk | joe_bleau: the M5000 case is designed for 3 AA's |
| 02:35.51 | joe_bleau | I'm guessing, what $400-$500 in 100s? |
| 02:36.01 | prpplague_afk | joe_bleau: ?? |
| 02:36.08 | prpplague_afk | joe_bleau: oh you mean the M5000? |
| 02:36.12 | joe_bleau | Yeah. |
| 02:36.28 | prpplague_afk | joe_bleau: ahh no, it was discontinued 3 years ago |
| 02:36.47 | joe_bleau | Sorry, I was confused. |
| 02:37.20 | prpplague_afk | joe_bleau: hehe, the unit was discontinued from AML, so the hardtool was sitting on the shelf, i was able to purchase the hardtool |
| 02:37.34 | prpplague_afk | joe_bleau: so i wanted to redesign the "guts" of the M5000 i could |
| 02:37.38 | joe_bleau | Oh, nice. Now you own a mold. |
| 02:37.43 | prpplague_afk | joe_bleau: yea |
| 02:37.57 | prpplague_afk | joe_bleau: been looking for a profitable venture to reuse the mold |
| 02:38.23 | joe_bleau | Material? ABS, PC, something good like that? |
| 02:38.39 | prpplague_afk | joe_bleau: nylon filled ABS |
| 02:39.01 | joe_bleau | Got any test shots lying around? Color / material unimportant. |
| 02:39.19 | prpplague_afk | yea i have a few |
| 02:39.43 | prpplague_afk | you interested? |
| 02:40.27 | joe_bleau | I'll run it by the bosses. Looks like we'd have to panel over the keys, maybe slot something for IR. |
| 02:40.42 | prpplague_afk | panel over the keys? |
| 02:41.09 | prpplague_afk | the top of the case has an opening for barcode scanner windor, so you could use the IR there |
| 02:41.13 | joe_bleau | I'm assuming (hard to tell from the pic) that there are a bunch of cut-outs in the plastic where the keys stick through. |
| 02:41.25 | prpplague_afk | yea |
| 02:41.37 | prpplague_afk | you not needing that many buttons? |
| 02:41.41 | joe_bleau | Nope. |
| 02:41.45 | prpplague_afk | ahh |
| 02:42.24 | joe_bleau | Enough to scroll through and pick from a menu, so 5-10 would do us. |
| 02:43.23 | joe_bleau | Any guess on pricing? Say 250 pieces. |
| 02:43.27 | prpplague_afk | easiest would be to just use the standard buttons and then do an overlay that masks out the ones you don't want |
| 02:43.40 | prpplague_afk | joe_bleau: i assume without electronics |
| 02:43.50 | joe_bleau | right, and no elastomeric keypad. |
| 02:44.26 | prpplague_afk | joe_bleau: i'd have to look at the numbers and figure it up, my calcs have always been based on a complete design |
| 02:44.35 | prpplague_afk | joe_bleau: i can check in the morning |
| 02:44.59 | prpplague_afk | joe_bleau: give me a shout tomorrow evening and i'll have something for you |
| 02:45.01 | joe_bleau | If you haven't had shots run in a while, pricing has gone up. |
| 02:45.09 | joe_bleau | 'ight, I'll be around. |
| 02:45.13 | prpplague_afk | joe_bleau: actually gone down |
| 02:45.22 | prpplague_afk | joe_bleau: most of the places are begging for work |
| 02:45.36 | prpplague_afk | joe_bleau: i was shocked at the cost of the Doghouse |
| 02:45.40 | joe_bleau | Strange. Our material costs are up--petroleum prices. |
| 02:46.19 | prpplague_afk | joe_bleau: interesting |
| 02:46.25 | prpplague_afk | joe_bleau: |
| 02:46.42 | prpplague_afk | joe_bleau: i'll check with my shop tomorrow and get current prices |
| 02:46.56 | joe_bleau | No hurry, but we are looking for something. |
| 02:47.08 | prpplague_afk | dandy |
| 02:47.12 | joe_bleau | Too many units in the field that have IR, so we are stuck. |
| 02:47.21 | prpplague_afk | heads home for real this time |
| 02:47.22 | prpplague_afk | later |
| 02:47.26 | joe_bleau | thanks! |
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| 14:42.33 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: greetings |
| 14:42.43 | CosmicPenguin | yo |
| 14:56.48 | chouimat | morning |
| 14:57.05 | chouimat | prpplague: to answer your question from last night I went to see Inglourious Basterds |
| 14:57.35 | prpplague | chouimat: ahh |
| 14:58.01 | chouimat | was good and funny ... |
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| 18:01.17 | Mirell | HoHum... |
| 18:04.11 | prpplague | Mirell: no no no, its "Ho Ho Hum" |
| 18:04.18 | prpplague | ~lart Mirell |
| 18:04.18 | purl | frags Mirell with his BFG9000 |
| 18:04.49 | prpplague | Mirell: you and landley still doing beagle board docs? |
| 18:09.47 | chouimat | yes ... I passed the first interview ... with transgaming ... next one probably next week |
| 18:18.09 | prpplague | chouimat: do you have to be tansgender to work at transgaming? |
| 18:18.17 | prpplague | chouimat: do you have to be transgender to work at transgaming? |
| 18:18.47 | agaffney | prpplague: weak |
| 18:18.50 | agaffney | the typo didn't help |
| 18:19.04 | prpplague | hehe |
| 18:19.05 | chouimat | prpplague: ouch ... this one is really bad ;) |
| 18:19.46 | chouimat | took them 3 weeks to give me an answer after the first one |
| 18:19.47 | Mirell | prpplague: Yes |
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| 20:33.16 | prpplague | well shoot, can't seem to get ubootv2 to do what i want it to do |
| 20:40.21 | GPSFan | prpplague: how are you building it, I've done a git clone but there are no configs in include/config. are there some BB related patches somewhere? |
| 20:40.59 | prpplague | GPSFan: i'm actually build -rc5 |
| 20:41.06 | prpplague | GPSFan: rc10 is completely broken for beagle |
| 20:41.18 | prpplague | GPSFan: i've got to do some more testing/fixes for rc10 |
| 20:41.31 | prpplague | GPSFan: right now my problem is i can't get the defaultenv to show up properly |
| 20:42.33 | GPSFan | hmm, so I'd git checkout v2.0.0-rc5 and just make it with appropriate cross compiler? |
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| 20:43.52 | prpplague | GPSFan: yea, should be able to |
| 20:44.06 | prpplague | GPSFan: there is a default beagle config hidden down deep |
| 20:44.14 | prpplague | GPSFan: board/omap/configs iirc |
| 20:45.40 | GPSFan | ha! I'll give it a try, after a rocky start, my BB is happy. 1280x1024@57 works in angstrom, just pokeing at it for a bit, to see what's what. |
| 20:49.04 | GPSFan | prpplague: it's actually in: u-boot-v2/arch/arm/configs/omap3530_beagle_per_uart_defconfig |
| 20:51.16 | prpplague | GPSFan: ahh yea |
