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| 01:41.23 | Mirell | Yay Push Gmail... |
| 01:50.05 | prpplague | ~lart Mirell |
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| 01:54.19 | Mirell | Yay Digestive Juices! |
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| 04:26.41 | Mirell | prpplague: pong |
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| 11:15.27 | lilalinux | How do I terminate a SPI bus? only at the signal sources? or both sides? |
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| 13:42.50 | theDarkAura | lilalinux, it should already be terminated by your mcu |
| 13:45.46 | lilalinux | theDarkAura: and what about the source of MISO? |
| 13:46.59 | theDarkAura | if it's an spi device it should be good to go |
| 13:51.39 | lilalinux | did I mention, that I use a ribbon cable? |
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| 14:02.16 | theDarkAura | ohh noise problems? |
| 14:02.18 | theDarkAura | heh |
| 14:02.38 | theDarkAura | idk man -- i've always just made the wire shorter ;) |
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| 14:19.27 | chouimat | morning |
| 14:19.54 | chouimat | calculus: yes I have 4 monitors on this computer ... and I'm starting to get used to it |
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| 14:53.15 | mnemoc | chouimat: picture? I can't really imagine such desk |
| 14:55.10 | chouimat | mnemoc: once I set it up correctly ... |
| 14:56.06 | chouimat | mnemoc: my office need to be reorganised |
| 14:56.20 | mnemoc | don't be shy ;-) |
| 14:56.28 | chouimat | mnemoc: :) |
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| 15:48.30 | prpplague | davidc__: hey dave! whats cookin these days? |
| 15:48.50 | davidc__ | prpplague: workin down in the states on a really cool contract |
| 15:49.01 | prpplague | davidc__: oh? where bouts? |
| 15:51.44 | davidc__ | prpplague: in NYC right now |
| 15:51.56 | davidc__ | heading to socal for a few days [leaving tonight] |
| 15:53.59 | prpplague | oh nice |
| 15:54.37 | prpplague | davidc__: well not sure you heard, but i'm on my own now, RAD Tech Labs, so if in your travels you need some contract work, give me a shout |
| 15:56.26 | davidc__ | prpplague: cool, hadn't heard! - I run my own contracting biz, but I'm planning to get into selling some stuff via SFE / etc |
| 15:56.31 | davidc__ | maybe we should JV on something or other. |
| 15:56.43 | prpplague | davidc__: indeed |
| 15:56.44 | davidc__ | anyhow; I gotta run, lunch. I'll be back in 30 or so, we should discuss this then. |
| 15:56.51 | prpplague | davidc__: later |
| 15:57.00 | prpplague | davidc__: give me a shout when you are back |
| 15:57.29 | davidc__ | will do! 'later |
| 15:57.55 | m4t | hey prpplague , you're pretty familiar with the beagleboards, yea? |
| 15:58.04 | prpplague | m4t: yea |
| 15:58.09 | m4t | im wondering how they do at video decoding |
| 15:58.22 | m4t | like w/ aac etc. |
| 15:58.37 | prpplague | m4t: ahh that's more userland stuff |
| 15:58.39 | m4t | my p4 1.8ghz struggles with it |
| 15:58.41 | m4t | oh okay |
| 15:58.55 | prpplague | m4t: they use the internal DSP to do alot of the decoding |
| 15:58.59 | m4t | yup |
| 15:59.17 | prpplague | m4t: i'm more kernel+hardware level |
| 15:59.51 | m4t | hrm. is there a way to utilize the dsp, yet? |
| 16:01.05 | prpplague | m4t: there is some iirc, but only with the utilities provided by TI |
| 16:01.22 | prpplague | m4t: there is probably a wiki page on elinux.org with the details, did you try there? |
| 16:01.29 | m4t | http://elinux.org/BeagleBoard/DSP_Howto |
| 16:01.30 | m4t | ye |
| 16:02.17 | m4t | seems possible, thanks |
| 16:13.27 | prpplague | ho ho hum |
| 16:39.17 | adyer | m4t: also maybe https://gstreamer.ti.com/gf/project/gstreamer_ti/ I know we use it for encoding video on davinci, but I don't know specifics |
| 16:39.32 | m4t | thanks, adyer |
| 16:39.46 | m4t | ive got my dht-walnut serving up via cifs |
| 16:39.54 | m4t | i kind of want to build something to decode it |
| 16:40.01 | m4t | ive been 'eyeing' picoprojectors |
| 16:40.30 | m4t | gstreamer would be rad though, thats what ive been using |
| 16:40.34 | m4t | through totem and rhythmbox |
| 16:44.06 | adyer | did anybody else notice this: http://mbed.org/ ? Seem kinda like it's for the arduino crowd, but I still thought it was interesting |
| 16:44.51 | CosmicPenguin | cute |
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| 16:50.38 | prpplague | adyer: alot like what we originally had in mind for the hammer |
| 16:50.44 | prpplague | adyer: just alot cheaper |
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| 16:54.24 | adyer | I don't like that there is no good way to archive a project/compiler combo to say 'make it just like before' or pull down something you could build with if they go out of business. |
| 16:56.57 | calculus | m4t: there is a lot of neon code in mplayer/ffmpeg that helps with decoding for the beagleboard |
| 16:57.13 | calculus | more handcoded assembly than use of the DSP from what I have seen |
| 16:57.19 | m4t | calculus 'neon'? |
| 16:57.31 | calculus | like SIMD for x86 |
| 16:57.36 | m4t | oh |
| 16:57.40 | mnemoc | o_O |
| 16:57.43 | m4t | is that the arm multimedia set? |
| 16:57.44 | CosmicPenguin | Its not like SIMD, it *is* SIMD |
| 16:58.06 | calculus | I stand corrected |
| 16:58.06 | m4t | neon, until now, was libneon, eg. webdav |
| 16:58.13 | calculus | nope, not that |
| 16:58.37 | m4t | oh cool |
| 16:58.42 | m4t | yea im reading the wiki page |
| 17:01.07 | m4t | any idea what 'neon' stands for? i havent seen it yet |
| 17:01.12 | m4t | maybe its just a name they liked? |
| 17:01.18 | davidc__ | prpplague: check /msgs |
| 17:01.44 | CosmicPenguin | neon sound cool - its edgy and hip |
| 17:01.48 | CosmicPenguin | post modern |
| 17:02.21 | m4t | i can see that |
| 17:02.26 | CosmicPenguin | It is easily the coolest of all the noble gases |
| 17:04.31 | calculus | has been partial to xenon |
| 17:05.02 | m4t | neon is the least reactive |
| 17:05.08 | m4t | xenon is the ~most |
| 17:05.28 | calculus | I thought helium would be the least |
| 17:05.34 | calculus | smaller electron shell |
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| 17:41.54 | prpplague | zippy's are available |
| 17:41.55 | prpplague | http://www.tincantools.com/product.php?productid=16147&cat=0&page=1&featured |
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| 17:44.10 | prpplague | wmat: ping |
| 17:44.11 | adyer | OMG! you have to solder to use it shoulda used pogo pins :-) |
| 17:46.57 | prpplague | adyer: not my problem that the beagle doesn't include the header |
| 17:47.27 | mnemoc | prpplague: any hammer-tng planned? |
| 17:47.51 | wmat | prpplague: pong |
| 17:48.09 | prpplague | wmat: nm, i think it was just a glitch, got a php error on elinux.org |
| 17:48.15 | prpplague | mnemoc: nope, hammer is dead |
| 17:48.20 | wmat | ah |
| 17:49.10 | mnemoc | prpplague: and no plans to design a successor? |
| 17:49.23 | prpplague | mnemoc: nope |
| 17:49.35 | mnemoc | prpplague: with better marketting it would kick the beagle's butt |
| 17:49.35 | prpplague | mnemoc: rusty and i just don't think like the hobbists |
| 17:49.45 | mnemoc | =) |
| 17:49.51 | prpplague | mnemoc: i'm sure, but we have no one to market it and no desire to |
| 17:50.22 | calculus | I thought I remember seeing something about a jackhammer as the next one |
| 17:51.49 | prpplague | calculus: yep, we actually have about 15 designs |
| 17:53.19 | mnemoc | uh |
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| 18:05.22 | chouimat | let's hope I can order it this time |
| 18:08.14 | prpplague | chouimat: ?? |
| 18:09.08 | prpplague | well the first order has been placed! |
| 18:09.39 | chouimat | prpplague: I get the same error as last time paypal and my credit card says my address is invalid ... probably because the system doesn't sent the province |
| 18:10.17 | prpplague | chouimat: oh you are ordering one and having problem with the cc ? |
| 18:10.26 | chouimat | yup |
| 18:10.28 | prpplague | jeeze |
| 18:10.32 | prpplague | let me call rusty |
| 18:12.05 | prpplague | chouimat: you are setting the billing address and shipping address exactly the same as whats on your credit card? |
| 18:12.37 | chouimat | i'm using paypal and I never had any problem with the way i entered the address |
| 18:13.59 | prpplague | chouimat: hmm, the error i'm seeing just shows that the billing address doesn't match what is on the CC |
| 18:14.25 | prpplague | does a test |
| 18:16.43 | chouimat | prpplague: ok fixed the problem ... |
| 18:17.30 | prpplague | chouimat: how did you have to do it? |
| 18:18.20 | chouimat | I had to put the appartment before the street number and had Dr at the end |
| 18:20.16 | prpplague | ahh |
| 18:20.52 | chouimat | prpplague: me being more dumb than a computer ... as the usual |
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| 18:30.48 | chouimat | anyway lunch time ... |
| 18:31.38 | prpplague | chouimat: you are always out to lunch |
| 18:32.00 | chouimat | prpplague: probable contract sp |
| 18:32.03 | chouimat | s/sp/so |
| 18:32.14 | prpplague | ahh |
| 18:33.25 | chouimat | prpplague: but I would rather stay home and finish my can interface designs |
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| 18:33.56 | prpplague | hehe |
| 18:34.05 | prpplague | chouimat: thanks for the zippy purchase |
| 18:34.30 | chouimat | prpplague: no problem ... I might have something to do with that one too |
| 18:35.25 | chouimat | prpplague: it's humid like hell today here and I have to wear a suit :( |
| 18:35.32 | prpplague | doh |
| 18:36.35 | chouimat | prpplague: do have a picture of the beagleboard and zippy together? |
| 18:37.03 | prpplague | chouimat: yea there on the TCT pages |
| 18:38.03 | prpplague | http://www.tincantools.com/images/D/Zippy_Rev-A_angle.JPG?1253731347011 |
| 18:38.22 | prpplague | http://www.tincantools.com/images/D/Zippy_Rev-A_header.JPG?1253731371548 |
| 18:38.24 | chouimat | thanks |
| 18:38.40 | prpplague | np |
| 18:38.55 | chouimat | anyway I have to go |
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| 18:45.36 | Mirell | prpplague: You pinged? |
| 18:45.52 | prpplague | Mirell: late last night, but i can't remember what it was about |
| 18:46.43 | prpplague | Mirell: oh right, i was thinking of taking a sales call drive down to austin in a few weeks, figured i could meet up with landley and you |
| 18:47.10 | Mirell | Ahh |
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| 19:56.17 | keesj | what do people think of http://bifferos.bizhat.com/ (£29.00 1MB ) |
| 19:58.21 | keesj | (still searching for a very small soc with usb-host + gpio), I guess I might need to use a micro controller |
| 19:58.25 | prpplague | looks |
| 19:58.50 | prpplague | wow that looks interesting |
| 19:59.13 | prpplague | keesj: the hammer too expensive? |
| 19:59.17 | keesj | it's a 486 |
| 19:59.59 | keesj | prpplague: not for my needs and I already have one but if I want to create a few of those units .. |
| 20:00.59 | keesj | the best would be for the N900 to support usb-host of course |
| 20:01.17 | prpplague | ahh |
| 20:06.17 | keesj | Well see |
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| 20:12.20 | roxfan | keesj: www.vinculum.com |
| 20:12.58 | roxfan | n900 is nokia thing? i think those have OTG so you can enable host if you need |
| 20:17.49 | keesj | the n900 is the 4th linux based device created by nokia (the first phone as the previous where tablets) |
| 20:18.20 | mnemoc | maemo's battle horse |
| 20:19.17 | keesj | it's hadrware nirvana if you ask me |
| 20:19.22 | mnemoc | without usb? |
| 20:19.22 | keesj | besides the missing working usb-otg :( |
| 20:20.08 | keesj | it has usb, wifi, bluetooth, ir , gps and it can phone |
| 20:20.58 | roxfan | what exactly do you plan to use the host for? |
| 20:21.05 | keesj | otg is such a big mess |
| 20:22.21 | keesj | perhaps the hole usb-host idea is wrong. I started with the idea to attach a cypress chip to the usb-host n900 and configure the chip to act as usb-hid device |
| 20:22.37 | keesj | that would have been very easy |
| 20:23.21 | prpplague | keesj: yea what are you planning to do? |
| 20:26.18 | keesj | there is some contest to create a case-mod for that n900 http://blogs.nokia.com/pushn900/ and I would like to add some more buttons to be able to play old games |
| 20:26.18 | keesj | I created a wiki page about it http://wiki.github.com/keesj/push_nbutton |
| 20:26.18 | prpplague | ahh interesting |
| 20:26.54 | prpplague | keesj: there a page with the specs for external i/o on the N900? |
| 20:27.56 | keesj | only http://maemo.nokia.com/n900/ but there is not much "real" io there |
| 20:28.10 | prpplague | looks |
| 20:28.14 | prpplague | keesj: interesting concept |
| 20:28.44 | keesj | the other guys used a BT serial device but that doesn't feel like a read case-mod/hardware hack to me |
| 20:29.09 | prpplague | keesj: looks like just usb slave interface |
| 20:29.25 | keesj | I also know that there is a serial behind the battery |
| 20:29.53 | keesj | prpplague: they use the same SoC as on the beagle omap3530 so the hardware is certainly capable. |
| 20:30.15 | prpplague | keesj: right, i meant existing openings |
| 20:30.27 | keesj | they are being a little vague about it. apparently they where not able to get certified. |
| 20:30.43 | prpplague | keesj: what is the limitation of the case mod? using existing? or opening the case and hacking |
| 20:31.32 | keesj | there aren't any big rules . I would certainly find a case that opend the device a cool one (500Euro device...) |
| 20:31.35 | CosmicPenguin | OTG is a hack upon a hack |
| 20:31.46 | CosmicPenguin | I've never seen a really well working OTG solution |
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| 20:32.22 | prpplague | keesj: hmm the specs seem vague indeed, it doesn't say if the micro-usb is otg or not |
| 20:33.16 | keesj | (in the previous models they did not "support" usb-host but the kernel support was added by some others |
| 20:33.39 | prpplague | ahh |
| 20:34.02 | prpplague | keesj: well if you could get uart access that would be easy enought to add buttons |
| 20:34.47 | keesj | this is the most official answer I did get http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-developers/2009-September/020830.html |
| 20:35.45 | keesj | I did add a serial once on the n800 (fun week-end hack) http://mamona.mmapps.net/n800_serial/index3.html |
| 20:36.07 | prpplague | looks |
| 20:37.29 | mnemoc | mamona means sucker in spanish :p |
| 20:37.39 | keesj | :P |
| 20:37.39 | prpplague | keesj: well it has lots of possibilities |
| 20:38.59 | chouimat | wanders back in |
| 20:39.04 | keesj | the nice thing about using the hammer is that I can just do it right away |
| 20:39.19 | prpplague | keesj: ahh very interesting |
| 20:40.13 | keesj | it's more of a "big iron" stuff but I would use g_ehter + synergy to make the hammer controlling the N900 |
| 20:41.49 | keesj | prpplague: what part is interesting? |
| 20:42.18 | prpplague | keesj: about the usb certification |
| 20:43.14 | chouimat | prpplague: btw nice allready go the ups tracking number for the zippy |
| 20:43.32 | prpplague | hehe |
| 20:44.37 | chouimat | prpplague: the contract will be "interesting" if I take it |
| 20:44.53 | prpplague | chouimat: the one you went to lunch on |
| 20:44.55 | prpplague | ? |
| 20:44.57 | chouimat | yup |
| 20:45.16 | chouimat | prpplague: I like free lunch and nice restaurant ;) |
| 20:45.23 | prpplague | hehe |
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| 20:46.25 | prpplague | keesj: one of the cheap TI arm chipset would do really well for this |
| 20:46.45 | prpplague | tries not to usirp keesj 's project |
| 20:47.20 | chouimat | prpplague: they have a marvell kirkwood board and they basicly want netbsd on it |
| 20:47.48 | prpplague | ahh interesting |
| 20:48.18 | chouimat | and more than a few weeks too |
| 20:48.49 | keesj | usirp -> |
| 20:48.51 | keesj | Undergraduate Scholars in Research Program ? |
| 20:49.11 | prpplague | keesj: sorry misspelled |
| 20:49.46 | prpplague | http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/usurp |
| 20:50.05 | mnemoc | =) |
| 20:50.51 | keesj | Im' all ears (just will need to walk the dog and sleep very soon) so I am very intersted |
| 20:50.54 | mnemoc | what did you say before about thinking as a hobbist? ;-) |
| 20:51.49 | prpplague | mnemoc: hehe i don't think like a hobbists |
| 20:51.59 | prpplague | mnemoc: i would do this as a commercial project |
| 20:52.18 | prpplague | mnemoc: everything would be done as if i was going to into production of a product |
| 20:52.18 | mnemoc | ic ic :) |
| 20:52.26 | mnemoc | .oO |
| 20:54.35 | prpplague | chouimat: well we've only sold 3 zippys so far |
| 20:55.02 | Mirell | 3>0 |
| 20:56.15 | mnemoc | and good considering the lack of marketing |
| 20:56.18 | chouimat | prpplague: and it's available since today? |
| 20:56.30 | prpplague | chouimat: since around 1pm today |
| 20:56.35 | prpplague | mnemoc: hehe |
| 20:56.44 | CosmicPenguin | Yeah, your expectations seem to be a tad high |
| 20:57.09 | chouimat | prpplague: received this yesterday http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sing-Along_Songs_for_the_Damned_&_Delirious |
| 21:17.56 | Mirell | Hmm.... |
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| 23:01.43 | jmachacek | Does anyone have experience generating boot scripts for Redboot? |
| 23:02.32 | jmachacek | I'm trying to conditionally select between root file systems based on a flag stored in flash, and I'm not seeing anything in the Redboot documentation that would allow this |
| 23:02.39 | jmachacek | Has anyone accomplished anything similar? |
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| 23:55.17 | prpplague | does this look like @#%$@$%#$^#$%^ ??? http://www.tincantools.com/prpplague/beagleboard.org.htm |
| 23:56.52 | calculus | looks a lot like the beagleboard.org header |
| 23:56.58 | calculus | :) |
| 23:57.27 | calculus | even with a hyperlink to digikey |
| 23:57.43 | prpplague | hehe |
| 23:58.02 | prpplague | i think i need to redo the text |
| 23:58.19 | calculus | yeah, it looks fuzzy/pixelated |
| 23:59.17 | prpplague | we only sold 3 boards today, i was hopin for more like 10 |
| 23:59.24 | roxfan | maybe you should say that it's a BeagleBoard expansion board... |
