| 00:00.30 | prpplague | roxfan something like "The Zippy BeagleBoard expansion board is now available!" |
| 00:00.48 | prpplague | or |
| 00:01.01 | prpplague | roxfan something like "The Beagle Zippy expansion board is now available!" |
| 00:01.14 | roxfan | The Zippy, a BeagleBoard expansion board |
| 00:01.16 | joe_bleau | Yeah, not clear it's for BB. |
| 00:01.38 | prpplague | joe_bleau really? interesting |
| 00:01.50 | joe_bleau | I'd put your website in there, too. |
| 00:02.06 | prpplague | hehe it will have a hyperlink to tincantools |
| 00:02.10 | prpplague | that's just a test page |
| 00:02.38 | joe_bleau | Yeah, but I'd still put a www.tincantools.com on there, in case someone is holding a printed copy in their hand. |
| 00:02.43 | joe_bleau | How's it connect to BB? |
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| 00:03.23 | prpplague | joe_bleau http://www.tincantools.com/images/D/Zippy_Rev-A_header.JPG?1253750581461 |
| 00:03.42 | joe_bleau | So, it snaps on? |
| 00:03.55 | prpplague | joe_bleau you don't have a beagle? |
| 00:03.58 | joe_bleau | If so, I'd mention that in the ad, too. |
| 00:04.03 | joe_bleau | I do not. |
| 00:04.08 | prpplague | joe_bleau the beagle has a 0.1" expansion header |
| 00:04.14 | prpplague | joe_bleau 2x14 |
| 00:04.28 | prpplague | joe_bleau plugs into that and has standard 3/8 mounts |
| 00:04.42 | joe_bleau | Is it the same footprint? |
| 00:04.54 | prpplague | yep |
| 00:05.07 | joe_bleau | Mention that, too: "same footprint, snaps right on!" |
| 00:05.31 | prpplague | well it doesn't really snap right on |
| 00:05.35 | joe_bleau | Is the $79 price for singles, or in massive quantity? |
| 00:05.39 | prpplague | singles |
| 00:05.45 | joe_bleau | Mention that, too. |
| 00:05.48 | prpplague | no one's going to purchase multiples |
| 00:05.53 | roxfan | it becomes a rather wordy banner if you add all that... |
| 00:05.58 | prpplague | indeed |
| 00:06.02 | calculus | I was just about to say that |
| 00:06.04 | joe_bleau | I've seen my share of ads with an attractive price, only to be for $10k. |
| 00:06.27 | prpplague | i think most people on beagleboard.org know the price range stuff |
| 00:06.31 | calculus | wouldn't there be more details on the tct ordering page |
| 00:06.32 | roxfan | just mentione beagleboard in the banner and put all details + photos on the product page... |
| 00:06.45 | prpplague | calculus yea |
| 00:07.17 | prpplague | joe_bleau this is jsut suppose to a short banner add to compliment the one that is already there for the beagle |
| 00:07.23 | joe_bleau | I dunno, I like to read. |
| 00:07.41 | prpplague | joe_bleau http://beagleboard.org/ |
| 00:07.44 | joe_bleau | Oh, so it's more of a teaser? |
| 00:07.46 | prpplague | joe_bleau just replacing the one there |
| 00:07.51 | prpplague | yea |
| 00:08.13 | prpplague | http://tincantools.com/product.php?productid=16147&cat=0&page=1&featured |
| 00:08.13 | prpplague | thats the full page |
| 00:08.22 | Mirell | La de da... |
| 00:08.25 | joe_bleau | Oops. Sorry about the noise. |
| 00:08.28 | Mirell | This talk is a bunch of slides... |
| 00:13.00 | prpplague | i still haven't been able to join the beagleboard mailing list |
| 00:16.13 | roxfan | prpplague, something like this might have some market too: http://mbed.org/projects/cookbook/wiki/mbed-BoB |
| 00:18.57 | prpplague | roxfan the zippy page has full set of pictures |
| 00:19.12 | roxfan | yeah i noticed |
| 00:19.36 | prpplague | roxfan oh sorry i misunderstoof |
| 00:19.36 | prpplague | stood |
| 00:19.55 | roxfan | though it's not clear there are more photos until you click on the single thumbnail |
| 00:19.58 | prpplague | roxfan the breeder board is basically what you just refered |
| 00:20.04 | prpplague | roxfan indeed |
| 00:20.42 | roxfan | breeder board? |
| 00:21.18 | prpplague | for the beagle, its basical just a level shifted breakout board |
| 00:21.25 | prpplague | we are looking for a better name for it |
| 00:27.57 | Mirell | Dear god definitely can't present this entire thing in one hour |
| 00:28.36 | roxfan | cut every other page |
| 00:28.51 | prpplague | Mirell sure you can, just pretend you are doing the terms and agreesments on a car commercial |
| 00:31.08 | solar | good evening edev |
| 00:32.38 | Mirell | prpplague: 120 slides so far |
| 00:32.49 | solar | better names; 'Snoopy' from the Peanuts was a beagle |
| 00:33.16 | prpplague | solar indeed |
| 00:34.06 | calculus | Mirell: I was a told a minute per slide is a good gauge |
| 00:34.17 | calculus | at that rate, you have 2 hours |
| 00:34.17 | prpplague | solar and snoopy does kind of fit, i suspect that the ghost of schulz would come after me |
| 00:34.25 | solar | prpplague: you still doing work with TCT ? |
| 00:34.34 | Mirell | calculus: Not even completely done |
| 00:34.38 | GPSFan | prpplague: you need to get the zippy into http://beagleboard.org/news and into their http://beagleboard.org/resources#third_party page. |
| 00:34.47 | prpplague | solar as long as he pays me :) |
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| 00:35.08 | prpplague | GPSFan its going in this evening along with the banner page |
| 00:36.24 | Mirell | prpplague: Any idea on what's a baseline charge for a speaking engagement? |
| 00:36.34 | Mirell | prpplague: Like an all-day training session |
| 00:37.10 | GPSFan | prpplague: your http://www.tincantools.com/prpplague/beagleboard.org.htm looks BB like (the text is a bit rough but it's not that bad) I like it..... |
| 00:40.00 | GPSFan | prpplague: you might want to re-do this image with a red solder mask board: http://www.tincantools.com/images/D/Zippy_Rev-02_1024x905.JPG?1253752750522 |
| 00:40.10 | prpplague | GPSFan right, it is intended to replace the Beagleboard banner on beagleboard.org |
| 00:40.36 | roxfan | hmm... there are 1.8V SD cards? o.O |
| 00:40.57 | prpplague | GPSFan yea just too many irons in the fire |
| 00:41.05 | GPSFan | and possibly do what Sparkfun does by putting small thumbnails of the other pictures underneath the main pict on the page. |
| 00:41.21 | prpplague | GPSFan i'm not really doing marketing much other that some of the lists and channels |
| 00:41.35 | prpplague | GPSFan i made that same suggestion to rusty the other day |
| 00:41.36 | GPSFan | prpplague: jsut a suggestion. |
| 00:41.39 | prpplague | GPSFan indeed |
| 00:41.44 | prpplague | GPSFan i appreciate it |
| 00:41.48 | GPSFan | np |
| 00:42.12 | Mirell | Hmm.. |
| 00:42.35 | prpplague | marketing stuff just makes me cranky |
| 00:42.37 | prpplague | i wish i could afford a full time marketing sales mutant |
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| 00:42.58 | joe_bleau | Maybe it's because you find lying hard to do? Or is the sleeze factor that turns you off sales/marketing? |
| 00:43.31 | GPSFan | prpplague: yeah, but I think the zippy is a product that lots of BB folks need to know about. it makes dev so much more pleasant. The bb with out a network is a PITA!!! |
| 00:44.54 | prpplague | indeed |
| 00:44.58 | GPSFan | joe_bleau: the marketing sleeze factor is a great deterent to progress. |
| 00:45.49 | joe_bleau | Personally, I find it interesting in a weird way. On the outside looking in, of course. |
| 00:46.57 | joe_bleau | "Influence" by Robert B. Cialdini is a great read for insight into some of the weapons being used against us. |
| 00:47.35 | GPSFan | joe_bleau: that's for sure, just make sure you keep your perspective, it's interesting to watch, especially the way some folks are revolted by marketing (often with just cause) |
| 00:47.40 | g1powermac_EPC | love that book |
| 00:47.54 | GPSFan | g1powermac_EPC: howdy,,. |
| 00:48.03 | g1powermac_EPC | heya GPSFan |
| 00:48.06 | joe_bleau | The story about the kid's Christmas toy is a howler. |
| 00:48.16 | g1powermac_EPC | goes back off to being sick |
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| 00:48.57 | g1powermac_EPC | think I got the infamous swine flu |
| 00:49.01 | joe_bleau | I like to think I'm immune to advertising, but a good book can really warp me. |
| 00:49.02 | landley | prpplague: mirell says you're complaining about marketing. :) |
| 00:49.05 | landley | I point out that I do marketing. |
| 00:49.12 | landley | (I can't do _sales_, but I can do marketing just fine.) |
| 00:49.30 | landley | Marketing is just explaining to people why something is cool. |
| 00:49.39 | GPSFan | landley: sales and marketing are two different animals. |
| 00:49.41 | landley | If you really do think it's cool, it's not that hard. :) |
| 00:49.50 | landley | GPSFan: exactly. I can't "close" to save my life. |
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| 00:50.07 | Spyrorocks | Hello All |
| 00:50.15 | landley | Hi Spyrorocks. |
| 00:50.29 | GPSFan | sometimes "closeing" is an art. especially depending on the customer. |
| 00:50.31 | joe_bleau | I've been lurking around hacker news lately (news.ycombinator.com), and it's the intersection of tech, startups, and a bit of sales/marketing. |
| 00:51.02 | Spyrorocks | I have a Samsung Nexio S155 that was imported from Korea, the language is set to Korean and I cant seem to change it. I think its probably hard coded in there. Is there a way for me to flash my device with a new version of windows ce, or at least a version of win ce thats english? |
| 00:51.28 | Spyrorocks | It currently runs Windows CE .net 4.10 |
| 00:51.46 | landley | Ah, a "wince" question. |
| 00:51.53 | landley | Unfortunately, I don't do windows... |
| 00:52.11 | landley | GPSFan: if you can do _enough_ marketing, sales can take care of itself to an extent. |
| 00:52.20 | GPSFan | dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/mtdblock1 |
| 00:52.50 | Spyrorocks | It would be even better of course, if I could remove wince, but I think everything is in ROM. I dont have a problem opening up the device, it has been collecting dust because I don't know one word in Korean. |
| 00:52.51 | landley | (It's far more effective to have a skilled sales force to squeeze sales out of people, but enough marketing and a web order form will get you some condensation.) |
| 00:53.37 | roxfan | i doubt you'll find anything for such an old device |
| 00:54.16 | joe_bleau | Depends on what you're selling. Our stuff at work requires corporate approval, sign offs, and customization. Not something that can be done through a website. |
| 00:54.34 | GPSFan | landley: indeed, in another universe, we have problems marketing our sheep products, ours are mostly mutton, and the "M" word carries lots of unwanted baggage, it we can get someone to try it we are golden (90% of the time) |
| 00:54.59 | landley | joe_bleau: ycombinator is Paul Graham's thing? He writes good articles... |
| 00:55.24 | landley | GPSFan: I love mutton. Although I usually refer to it as "dead sheep". |
| 00:55.29 | joe_bleau | landley: Yeah, I'm pretty sure. I think it was the initial test case for arc. |
| 00:55.30 | GPSFan | try a zippy, it will make your life easier, and it tastes good too. |
| 00:55.31 | landley | They keep saying "lamb", which I always associate with veal... |
| 00:55.45 | landley | joe_bleau: what's arc? |
| 00:55.57 | GPSFan | bbl, time for dinner..... |
| 00:56.10 | landley | GPSFan: the best sheep ribs in texas are at that south mart thing in Elgin. |
| 00:56.12 | joe_bleau | pg's replacement for lisp. |
| 00:56.29 | landley | joe_bleau: Python is an excellent replacement for lithp. |
| 00:56.36 | prpplague | landley !!! |
| 00:56.42 | landley | prpplague !!! |
| 00:56.53 | landley | I keep forgetting to log on to irc. (And I hate pidgin.) |
| 00:57.07 | joe_bleau | Apparently pg doesn't agree. |
| 00:57.50 | prpplague | landley indeed i was complaining |
| 00:57.57 | landley | joe_bleau: the old lisp-heads never give up on it. They try to resurrect it with emacs, with scheme, and about 8 gazillion others every couple years. |
| 00:58.04 | prpplague | landley i hate pidgin too, try xchat |
| 00:58.16 | landley | But very few people under the age of 50 bother with it. |
| 00:58.28 | joe_bleau | I think arc is actually implemented over scheme, but I'm not up on the details. |
| 00:58.46 | landley | prpplague: I'm hoping I can get much less intermittent employment for a bit and go mac, so I can get away from kmail's increasing flakiness and so on too. |
| 00:59.06 | prpplague | hmm, i think i might have spilled some beer on the table, smells like stale bar |
| 00:59.06 | joe_bleau | I guess I've got a few more years to go before I have to pick up scheme/lisp/arc, then. ;-) |
| 00:59.26 | landley | prpplague: if my meager marketing skills today can help you throw contracting work my way at some point in the future, I'd be quite happy... :) |
| 00:59.31 | prpplague | landley indeed i am working towards that as well |
| 00:59.43 | landley | Although the definition of "today" wouldn't be before monday, because @mirell and I are preparing for Ohio LinuxFest right now. |
| 00:59.58 | landley | Which I should get back to... |
| 01:00.01 | prpplague | landley hehe, i'm mainly looking at how to market the doghouse and the zippy |
| 01:00.13 | landley | @mirell says we have 133 slides so far. Probably about 200 when we reach the end. |
| 01:00.22 | landley | That's about 8 hours of talk, and we have 1 hour. |
| 01:00.38 | landley | We've vaguely pondering giving a 1 hour subset and telling people they can hire us to give the 8 hour version any time they like. :) |
| 01:00.47 | landley | @mirell also suggested just writing a book. |
| 01:01.09 | Mirell | RT @landley I've been using Twitter too much |
| 01:01.11 | prpplague | Mirell sorry i meant to answer your question about training pay |
| 01:01.16 | landley | When your _lecture_notes_ (an ascii bullet point list) pass 50k of text and 1000 lines, you may already have a book. |
| 01:01.23 | prpplague | Mirell i don't have a clue |
| 01:01.34 | prpplague | hehe |
| 01:01.40 | prpplague | landley whats the lecture about? |
| 01:02.00 | landley | checks if the description ever went online... |
| 01:02.14 | landley | The title is "Developing for non-x86 targets using QEMU". |
| 01:04.51 | prpplague | ho ho hum |
| 01:04.52 | solar | qemu is not good enough imo. |
| 01:05.01 | solar | it tends to be a frw chosts behind relaity |
| 01:05.21 | solar | requires lots of patching and is usually about as slow as real hardware |
| 01:05.50 | solar | it's a nice tool however. |
| 01:06.00 | landley | solar: Mirell just said "there solar goes on his anti-qemu rant again", but this is the first time I've heard said rant. |
| 01:06.08 | landley | Care to deliver said rant so I can hear it? :) |
| 01:06.17 | solar | I don't think I've ever ranted about it |
| 01:06.30 | landley | @mirell and I are at @mirell's place working on slides for our Ohio LinuxFest talk. |
| 01:06.35 | solar | Just said what I felt the need to say. There is not much more to it |
| 01:06.49 | landley | solar: I may not quite have conveyed his words exactly. :) |
| 01:07.07 | landley | (With me, everything's a rant.) |
| 01:07.09 | solar | it's ok. I'm not that offended. |
| 01:07.27 | landley | solar: give me time. :) |
| 01:07.40 | prpplague | isn't a big fan of qemu either |
| 01:07.47 | prpplague | mainly because it is so convoluted |
| 01:07.59 | solar | not today buddy. I've been getting these splitting headaches which seem to be related to eye strain |
| 01:08.11 | landley | solar: ouch. |
| 01:08.18 | prpplague | solar or the check crack you've been smokin |
| 01:08.19 | solar | made an appt to see an eye doctor on friday. |
| 01:08.21 | landley | I just went back on caffeine after ~3 weeks off it. |
| 01:08.22 | prpplague | jokes with solar |
| 01:08.33 | landley | (My annual caffeine detox got skipped for a couple years there...) |
| 01:08.46 | prpplague | hehe |
| 01:08.47 | landley | If you were wondering why you havent' heard much from me so far this month, that was a significant contributing factor. |
| 01:09.09 | landley | I'm just having diet soda (which I used to complain had the caffeine content of seawater and used as a maintenance beverage) and I'm noticeably wired. |
| 01:09.11 | solar | took a break from the coffee shops? |
| 01:09.11 | landley | Life is good. |
| 01:09.24 | landley | solar: I usually get hot chocolate in coffee shops anyway. Don't like coffee. |
| 01:09.29 | landley | Tea, soda, penguin mints. |
| 01:09.54 | solar | so back to likes and dislikes of qemu. |
| 01:10.52 | solar | I see the 4 major C/HOST of arm being armv4tl-* armv5tel- armv6j- armv7l- |
| 01:11.05 | landley | ok |
| 01:11.19 | landley | All eabi, finally. |
| 01:11.27 | solar | qemu iirc only supported v4tl out of the box. And you had to patch in verstile for armv5 support |
| 01:11.52 | landley | solar: that was true in qemu 9.x, but since 10.x v5 and v6 have been supported, and v7's been in -git for a while now. |
| 01:12.08 | landley | It claims to do a full cortex a8 emulation. (Still some bugs, last I checked.) |
| 01:12.17 | solar | exactly. It's always playing catchup |
| 01:12.25 | solar | which brings me to the next point |
| 01:12.39 | solar | ppl that really devel for a CPU tend to have the hardware |
| 01:12.42 | landley | solar: yes and no. The xylinx guys have been pushing their chip support into qemu pretty actively. |
| 01:13.09 | landley | solar: sure, but if you ever try to report a bug to an upstream package, _they_ won't have the hardware. |
| 01:13.19 | solar | true |
| 01:13.23 | landley | And how do hobbyists get into it in the first place? (Buy hardware while knowing nothing, then fiddle?) |
| 01:13.29 | landley | An emulator is a fun way to address both problems. |
| 01:13.32 | prpplague | where i see qemu useful is doing system emulations for customer development and development of application prior to existing hardware |
| 01:13.49 | landley | Plus having the hardware doesn't mean having one for every developer, or being able to take it home with you or on a plane. |
| 01:14.49 | landley | prpplague: we're going to post our slides (not sure if it'll be before we give the actual talk though, still working on 'em). We'd love feedback on 'em. |
| 01:14.58 | landley | But we do address these issues in the slides and lecture notes. |
| 01:15.09 | prpplague | ahh dandy |
| 01:15.14 | landley | The problem (as I mentioned) is we've got at least 8 hours worth of material, and an hour to give a talk in. :) |
| 01:16.03 | solar | where are you giving a talk? |
| 01:16.38 | landley | We're hoping that people who hear the talk (which should be recorded, according to the OLF guys) will want to hire us to fly in and give a full-day version. :) |
| 01:16.45 | landley | solar: Ohio LinuxFest. Columbus ohio this weekend. |
| 01:17.05 | prpplague | ho ho hum |
| 01:17.15 | prpplague | checks to see how many zippy's have sold so far |
| 01:17.58 | landley | prpplague: if I had flyers for it I'd happily hand 'em out at OLF, but I don't. |
| 01:18.37 | solar | prpplague: if you get bored and feel like designing something. A cheaper nokia-n900 would be nice :) |
| 01:18.43 | prpplague | solar just released today |
| 01:19.15 | prpplague | solar sorry that was for landley |
| 01:19.37 | landley | prpplague: Without context, it's very difficult to come up with a non-scatological meaning for that line. |
| 01:19.51 | prpplague | solar yea, my problem is i don't "get" the cool market that likes the beagle and n900 |
| 01:20.28 | prpplague | landley sorry i meant that the zippy just released today, so i dont have any flyers ready |
| 01:20.35 | prpplague | landley long day |
| 01:20.42 | landley | Ah. |
| 01:21.00 | landley | prpplague: you still involved with hammer/nail? (What's the zippy through, anyway? TCT?) |
| 01:21.16 | prpplague | landley expansion board for the beagle |
| 01:21.17 | solar | prpplague: think m8050 but smaller and faster with media support |
| 01:21.30 | prpplague | media support? |
| 01:22.04 | landley | prpplague: I know what it is, I just dunno the context in which you're doing it. Out of your garage? What does "released" mean? (Where'd you advertise?) |
| 01:22.04 | solar | video,streaming media,audio4music |
| 01:22.04 | solar | and more tasks running |
| 01:22.04 | prpplague | landley yea i'm doing work for TCT now but getting paid |
| 01:22.27 | prpplague | landley ahh just started shipping to customers today |
| 01:23.25 | prpplague | landley http://www.tincantools.com/product.php?productid=16147&cat=0&page=1&featured |
| 01:24.16 | landley | prpplague: beagle has audio/video output. You could make a set top box out of it. That's pretty cool. |
| 01:24.41 | prpplague | landley beagle1.0 has a limited time left on it |
| 01:24.51 | prpplague | landley don't want to design any new stuff for it |
| 01:25.02 | prpplague | landley waiting for future stuff coming out in the spring |
| 01:25.11 | landley | prpplague: before it's obsolete or before they come out with a 2.0 to obsolete it? |
| 01:25.26 | landley | prpplague: I do software, which can be upgraded. :) |
| 01:25.50 | landley | I'm happy to target beagle 1 and then tweak for beagle 2, but at the moment I need to spend about another 15 minutes getting Mark the next drop of lecture notes so he can make slides out of 'em. |
| 01:25.58 | prpplague | landley i can't say much other than in the spring of 2010 there should be something new to design for |
| 01:26.24 | prpplague | landley hehe np |
| 01:26.25 | landley | prpplague: if the old one is still selling but simply becomes cheaper, that's not end of life. :) |
| 01:26.41 | prpplague | landley yea well i suspect it won't be |
| 01:29.59 | prpplague | i'm completely worn out this evening guys, so don't missunderstand my slowness in thoughts |
| 01:31.08 | solar | prpplague: I don't blame you for not wanting to do any new stuff for the beagle. Lots of stuff is coming out making use of it. Maybe try to get your hands on one of the cortex-a9 chips for the next gen stuff |
| 01:32.35 | prpplague | solar well like i said, as i understand it, beagle1.0's days are numbered |
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| 01:34.33 | solar | ya |
| 01:35.10 | prpplague | way tired this evening |
| 01:35.23 | prpplague | jury duty tomorrow |
| 01:35.36 | prpplague | as usual a waste of time, they never pick me |
| 01:35.47 | solar | do you want to be picked? |
| 01:36.04 | prpplague | in the past i have, now, no |
| 01:36.19 | prpplague | this is the 14th time i've been called, never servered |
| 01:36.26 | solar | then as soon as you walk in. Just yell guilty |
| 01:36.39 | solar | they will reject you pretty quickly |
| 01:36.56 | joe_bleau | Or hold you in contempt... |
| 01:38.24 | prpplague | hehe |
| 01:38.31 | solar | can you be held if you are not the one on trial? |
| 01:38.54 | joe_bleau | Sure, why not? They hold attorneys in contempt. |
| 01:38.58 | prpplague | solar as long as you are in the court room you are under the jurisdiction of the judge |
| 01:39.07 | joe_bleau | Try walking in and cussing out a judge at random? |
| 01:39.20 | solar | good point |
| 01:40.19 | prpplague | lordy this is most tired i've been since i left AML |
| 01:41.54 | prpplague | doesn't like feeling this out of it |
| 01:42.26 | prpplague | landley i did the perl+kernel rant today on not one but two irc channels |
| 01:47.06 | GPSFan | landley: best sheep ribs I ever had were ar "Sheep is Life" in Farmington NM, 1998. Navaho + old ewe + barby + yummm..... |
| 01:47.41 | GPSFan | s/+ yumm/= yumm |
| 01:49.42 | landley | GPSFan: ok, that does sound good. |
| 01:50.22 | landley | I actually had some marvelous mutton with mint sauce at the old IBM cafeteria in 1996, but it was a one time thing they did it again. :( |
| 01:50.29 | chouimat|away | hi guys |
| 01:50.41 | landley | prpplague: I resubmitted the patches to the kernel list on friday, you now. |
| 01:50.52 | landley | Reply to the perl removal stuff there... |
| 01:52.19 | GPSFan | landley: How goes your Beagle Board How to? althought talking about good food is nice ___need to stay on topic___ ;>) |
| 01:53.27 | landley | GPSFan: the slides have kicked it to the back burner for the moment. |
| 01:53.39 | landley | Mark took his board back, we'll probably poke at it again next week. |
| 01:55.05 | chouimat | had too much to drink and too much to eat, but it was a nice party and we managed to raise 1200$ for the children hospital |
| 01:56.57 | ohsix | http://www.seeedstudio.com/depot/beta-testmicro-digital-storage-oscilloscopedso-nano-p-512.html |
| 01:57.37 | GPSFan | landley: ah, I went through trying to bring one up last week, it was a pita. I made a basic mistake early on and spent a couple of days spinning around in circles. I read your git http://www.landley.net/writing/git-quick.html and really learned a lot is a short time. I was hoping your BB howto would come out before I whacked my BB with a Hammer..... ;>) Finally figured it out with help from prpplague . |
| 01:58.28 | chouimat | GPSFan: hehe |
| 01:58.43 | landley | The trick to writing good documentation is to keep track of what the reader knows. |
| 01:58.55 | landley | Don't assume they know something you do if you haven't actually _said_ it already. |
| 02:00.33 | GPSFan | sometimes the reader knowing a lot is a problem. He (/me) thinks he knows what to do and goes off in a direction that isn't quite right, resulting in severe frustration. (btdt got the teeshire and the scars).... |
| 02:06.55 | landley | GPSFan: you don't want to bore readers with partial knowledge either. Bit of a balancing act. :) |
| 02:07.01 | landley | Terse but thorough... |
| 02:25.46 | Mirell | "To open the window, place your hand on the mouse..." |
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| 02:28.47 | Mirell | Wee, 156 slides so far.. |
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| 03:36.51 | joe_bleau | prpplague: still awake? |
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| 03:53.26 | landley | Great, a gcc upgrade seems to have broken the busybox build, although busybox was doing something _insane_... |
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| 08:47.07 | Mirell | ...too...many...slides |
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| 13:00.20 | chouimat | morning |
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| 15:53.01 | adyer | someone please kill me. I've been listed as a 'stakeholder' and have to go to quality meetings :-( |
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| 15:54.56 | prpplague | adyer: doh |
| 16:20.23 | chouimat | *yawn* |
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| 16:22.18 | prpplague | chouimat: yea whatever |
| 16:22.36 | chouimat | prpplague: little bit tired this morning |
| 16:23.04 | prpplague | yea i don't feel too dandy either |
| 16:23.45 | chouimat | prpplague: I had a party last night ... was fun and we managed to raise 1200$ for a charity |
| 16:24.31 | chouimat | and UPS tell me I should get the zippy today |
| 16:29.34 | mnemoc | how many got sold the first day? :) |
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| 16:43.52 | chouimat | prpplague: wb |
| 16:44.02 | prpplague | thanks |
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| 19:18.51 | landley | waves at prpplague |
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| 20:28.30 | landley | I just keep making friends on the #uclibc list... For a definition of "friend" meaning people who probably want to kill me. |
| 20:28.56 | landley | Apparently #uclibc is an alias for #buildroot. Who knew? |
| 20:29.21 | landley | Yup, just checked: #buildroot is an empty channel. |
| 20:30.07 | landley | It's not that I _mind_ talking about buildroot, it's when people get upset that you recommend using uClibc and busybox in non-buildroot contexts that they get all _confused_ at you. (And indignant.) |
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| 23:06.10 | Mirell | Hmm... |
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| 23:37.29 | prpplague^2 | are we having fun yet? |
| 23:42.59 | joe_bleau | We is. |
| 23:43.26 | joe_bleau | BTW, did you notice that new mbed thing? They have a hosted tool chain. |
| 23:43.42 | joe_bleau | Sounds like something I reco'd for your TCT hammer project, back in the day... |
| 23:52.17 | prpplague | joe_bleau: hey, whats that about a hosted toolchain? |
| 23:52.39 | joe_bleau | They have some setup where you compile through a web browser. |
| 23:52.49 | joe_bleau | No toolchain installation or OS issues. |
| 23:53.29 | prpplague | joe_bleau: i guess i am clueless because i don't see how that is useful |
| 23:53.56 | joe_bleau | I dunno, maybe it isn't. I just think it's cool that I thought of it, and someone actually implemented it. |
| 23:55.00 | prpplague | yea, my biggest problem is not understanding what they hobbists people want |
| 23:55.04 | joe_bleau | See, I didn't know to use the correct buzzwords. |
| 23:55.08 | joe_bleau | They do: "compiler tools as a cloud-computing based web-application that runs in a web browser" |
| 23:55.37 | prpplague | so what does that get you? |
| 23:55.46 | prpplague | no net connection you can't compile |
| 23:56.25 | joe_bleau | Up and running quickly, without screwing with toolchains or license files? |
| 23:56.33 | joe_bleau | For some folks, I can imagine that matters. |
| 23:56.49 | Mirell | So, http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/narcissus/ ? |
| 23:57.35 | joe_bleau | Where do I upload my source? |
| 23:58.18 | Mirell | Ah, okay, so what you're referring to compiles an arbitary package for you... |
| 23:58.21 | Mirell | That seems...silly. |
| 23:58.57 | joe_bleau | I'm not sure what mbed does--I assume it's a compiler that will compile your code. |
