| 00:01.37 | Mirell | Ahh |
| 00:01.52 | prpplague | joe_bleau: the cd in the hammer package comes with a precompiled toolchain |
| 00:02.34 | prpplague | joe_bleau: not that we are arguing with you, i just want to understand the line of thinking for using a web app like that |
| 00:03.01 | prpplague | btw, i think rusty is going to drop the price of the Hammer to $129 |
| 00:03.46 | CosmicPenguin | The web based appliance is great |
| 00:04.14 | CosmicPenguin | Novell has somethign similar for building root filesystems for hypervisors |
| 00:04.48 | CosmicPenguin | I've always been a big fan of that for end users |
| 00:06.21 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: interesting |
| 00:06.46 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: but its more for doing a complete build rather than building their specific coded application? |
| 00:06.53 | CosmicPenguin | oh, yeah |
| 00:07.01 | CosmicPenguin | people fall into two areas |
| 00:07.07 | CosmicPenguin | the one who just want an image, and the ones who want to build stuff |
| 00:07.13 | CosmicPenguin | most everybody is in the first camp |
| 00:07.22 | CosmicPenguin | but we always develop our build systems for the second camp |
| 00:07.27 | CosmicPenguin | because thats where we are |
| 00:07.48 | prpplague | right, i just don't get the idea of having a web enable toolchain |
| 00:08.00 | CosmicPenguin | But really, most folks just want to say "build this, this, this, this" and get a image back out of it |
| 00:08.16 | prpplague | i can see about doing a rootfs, but not uploading your code and then doing the build |
| 00:08.26 | CosmicPenguin | You can do that, but its not interesting |
| 00:09.00 | CosmicPenguin | maybe if you had something more script based or java based |
| 00:09.03 | CosmicPenguin | but not for C |
| 00:09.16 | CosmicPenguin | Like a python-inator |
| 00:09.25 | prpplague | the more i get into very lowlevel driver/boardbring the less i understand about the enduser stuff |
| 00:09.32 | CosmicPenguin | Thats our problem |
| 00:09.54 | prpplague | well the one that joe_bleau is talking about is for people to upload and compile their code |
| 00:10.51 | CosmicPenguin | oh, I saw a url with angstrom in it |
| 00:10.55 | CosmicPenguin | I presumed that was it |
| 00:11.41 | CosmicPenguin | yeah, web based image building++, web based compiling-- |
| 00:12.30 | prpplague | ahh |
| 00:12.38 | prpplague | ho ho hum |
| 00:12.47 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: still trying to decide about the doghouse and future products |
| 00:13.19 | prpplague | the zippy isn't flying off the shelf as i expected it to |
| 00:14.00 | CosmicPenguin | Its been up for 24 hours |
| 00:14.43 | prpplague | yea, i was expecting 12 to 15 for the first 24 hours, but we only had 7 |
| 00:14.53 | CosmicPenguin | Dude, you need to relax |
| 00:15.05 | CosmicPenguin | 7 is pretty good |
| 00:15.34 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hehe "<CosmicPenguin> Dude, you need to relax" , my brother told me the same think about 30 minutes ago, hehe |
| 00:15.42 | CosmicPenguin | considering the set of people who have beagles and are actively using them and need a zippy and know that they are for sale now and wern't too lazy to go buy one |
| 00:15.50 | CosmicPenguin | That can't be a large populatio |
| 00:15.51 | CosmicPenguin | n |
| 00:15.57 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: just worried that we are going to have another failure like the hammer |
| 00:15.59 | CosmicPenguin | the word will get out and sales will increase |
| 00:16.17 | CosmicPenguin | beagleboard is popular and zippy is useful |
| 00:16.32 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: well, there are 12,000+ beagle boards in circulation |
| 00:16.42 | CosmicPenguin | doesn't mean that people were constantly hitting refresh waiting for the page to update so they could buy one |
| 00:16.49 | prpplague | indeed |
| 00:18.20 | prpplague | my big question right now is whether i should go ahead with the DogHouse, gonna try to make a decision in 2 weeks |
| 00:21.04 | CosmicPenguin | I have to leave before email eats me |
| 00:24.27 | prpplague | ds2: ping |
| 00:25.48 | joe_bleau | I'm not saying web compile is a good or bad idea. |
| 00:25.55 | joe_bleau | I'm just saying it's interesting. |
| 00:26.31 | joe_bleau | I can see something like that 'lowering the entry point' on a dev system. |
| 00:27.08 | joe_bleau | Besides, I have this thing where I get all excited when I have an idea |
| 00:27.31 | joe_bleau | and then someone actually independently implements it later. |
| 00:27.32 | prpplague | joe_bleau: and? |
| 00:29.45 | prpplague | ahh |
| 00:33.13 | roxfan | joe_bleau: they run RCVT compiler behind the scenes, compile stuff into a .bin and send as download to the browser |
| 00:34.08 | roxfan | http://mbed.org/projects/libraries/svn/mbed/trunk/LPC2368 <- headers and libs that get linked to your code |
| 00:36.29 | prpplague | joe_bleau: what i really would like to finish is the wiring/processe libraries for linux, i had started on them but didn't finish |
| 00:36.44 | prpplague | guess now that i have more free time i should look into that again |
| 00:38.55 | prpplague | roxfan: what do you think about a handheld design that is similar to the PSP in shape and size, has similar buttons, lcd and touchscreen, but has the insides setup for you to do your own electronics? |
| 00:39.03 | roxfan | mbed got a very simple api: http://mbed.org/projects/libraries/api/mbed/trunk |
| 00:39.16 | roxfan | sounds like pandora? |
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| 00:40.03 | prpplague | roxfan: not really, this would be setup for you to do your own electronics, and would only include the pcbs nessary for stuff like the lcd, touchscreen and buttons |
| 00:40.54 | roxfan | not sure how much use it will be... you can't do much prototyping inside a small box so it's back to making your own pcb... |
| 00:41.38 | prpplague | roxfan: yea the case would be a little thicker than the PSP but it would have enough room for you to do your own hacking |
| 00:44.23 | Mirell | prpplague: I suppose the question is, where did you advertise the Zippy is for sale now, in the last twenty-four hours? |
| 00:45.45 | prpplague | Mirell: irc, mailing list and the wiki for the last 24 hours, an advertisement will be going up on beagleboard.org shortly |
| 00:46.08 | Mirell | Ah. |
| 00:47.55 | prpplague | Mirell: i just figured that more that 7 people for those areas would have purchased one |
| 00:49.30 | prpplague | Mirell: i have plans for 3 more boards for the beagle, but if the Zippy doesn't do well in the next week or so, i'll drop those |
| 00:51.17 | prpplague | Mirell: i sure am enjoying being able to work on my own hours |
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| 00:55.33 | GPSFan | prpplague: hey, IMHO the BB community needs the zippy, the showdog, and some sort of proto "shield" (to use an adruino term). I'll go out and but a zippy if it helps your sales #s and you can send me the gadgets you mentioned along with it. |
| 00:56.35 | Madsy^ | Anyone knows where (if) I can buy linkers/flash cartridges for Gameboy/Gameboy Color? I don't have the skills to solder my own. |
| 00:57.12 | Madsy^ | Links I've found either don't exist anymore, or the products are out of stock, or replaced with GBA/NDS accessories. |
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| 00:57.39 | prpplague | GPSFan: hehe, i already have a zippy set aside for you |
| 00:58.25 | prpplague | Madsy^: there were never that many commercial ones since the cards for the gameboy stuff was basically just a standard 0.31 pcb with an eeprom |
| 00:58.34 | Madsy^ | aha |
| 00:58.44 | GPSFan | prpplague: yeah, I know, but I'd like to have the stuff sooner, (esp the SD if the offer isstill open) and would but the zippy to advance the cause. |
| 00:59.04 | GPSFan | s/but/buy |
| 01:20.02 | prpplague | crap, think i just shorted out my PSP display |
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| 01:48.05 | Mirell | Das ist nicht gut. |
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| 02:52.30 | joe_bleau | Mmm...dividends... |
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| 03:12.21 | Mirell | Mmm, kitties |
| 03:13.43 | joe_bleau | Got those too! |
| 03:14.15 | joe_bleau | Here's my next prediction for embedded toolchains: eval boards with onboard tools. |
| 03:14.29 | joe_bleau | Surely Beagle and the Sheeva are potent enough. |
| 03:15.09 | joe_bleau | Next up, maybe those cheap little USB dongle demo boards like TI does. |
| 03:19.49 | Mirell | joe_bleau: Onboard tools? |
| 03:20.17 | joe_bleau | Sure, no cross compiler needed. |
| 03:20.38 | joe_bleau | For all I know, Beagle and Sheeva may come that way out of the box. |
| 03:20.48 | Mirell | Out of the box, the Beagle comes with the board, and u-boot. |
| 03:20.58 | Mirell | No kernel, no root filesystem... |
| 03:21.14 | joe_bleau | But it could, right? |
| 03:21.15 | Mirell | Also, that's something I'm going to talk about at OLF, woot. |
| 03:21.17 | Mirell | Yep. |
| 03:22.18 | joe_bleau | Again, I'm not saying it's a good idea or a bad idea, just that I think someone will do it. |
| 03:22.37 | joe_bleau | And I can understand why--a great out of the box experience. |
| 03:23.04 | joe_bleau | Luminary gets it--plug their boards in, and chances are it comes up playing a video game. |
| 03:23.21 | joe_bleau | Apple doesn't--buy an iPod, charge it, and no music. |
| 03:23.29 | Mirell | Eh, iPod looks sexy. |
| 03:23.44 | Mirell | Can't really get away with that on a embedded developer's board. |
| 03:23.56 | Mirell | But yah, I wasn't impressed at all with how DigiKey sells the BeagleBoard. |
| 03:24.25 | Mirell | No documentation included, the manual is a bit out of date, covering various versions of the board, no software included, just, HERE'S A BOARD, KTHX. |
| 03:24.58 | joe_bleau | And that's fine. I'm a pro, I've been doing this a long time, I can deal with that. |
| 03:25.14 | joe_bleau | Still, it's cool when the box arrives to plug it in and see it work right away. |
| 03:25.24 | Mirell | Well, |
| 03:25.38 | Mirell | It was remarkably different compared to the Arduino which also arrived in the mail at the same time. |
| 03:25.53 | Mirell | Nice little starter kit, cool little book of documentation and quickstart guide, et cetera. |
| 03:25.54 | joe_bleau | Oh? |
| 03:28.12 | joe_bleau | And that impressed you a little bit, right? |
| 03:28.26 | joe_bleau | Not that you need handholding, quick starts, or anything like that. |
| 03:29.04 | Mirell | Sure I do. |
| 03:29.15 | Mirell | Which is more annoying, |
| 03:29.26 | Mirell | Having a quickstart guide when you don't need it, or not having it when you do? |
| 03:29.48 | Mirell | There can rarely be too much documentation. (A wiki is not documentation, by the way) |
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| 03:32.49 | joe_bleau | I just think it would be kinda cool, even if it's not useful, to plug in, log in, compile, and see demo code running. |
| 03:32.56 | joe_bleau | Within 10 minutes or so of power up. |
| 03:33.37 | joe_bleau | If you take the board home and want to work, you've carried the tools and docs home with you too. |
| 03:35.18 | Mirell | And I agree, at least *something*. |
| 03:35.26 | Mirell | Not just U-Boot. |
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| 13:46.10 | Ajay | i have a problem with Autologon RDP in WindowsCE 6.0 |
| 13:46.26 | Ajay | any one for WincE6.0 |
| 13:46.31 | Ajay | ...? |
| 13:50.58 | Redhatter | High-end desktop computers struggle enough under the weight of OSes made by that Redmond-based company... I would never want to inflict that pain on a small embedded computer. |
| 13:51.17 | chouimat | lol |
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| 13:51.44 | mnemoc | :D |
| 13:52.24 | mnemoc | unfortunelly some people is forced to torture inocent embedded computers with it |
| 13:52.44 | Ajay | mnemoc, any idea abt WindowsCE6.0 |
| 13:52.45 | Ajay | ..? |
| 13:52.51 | Redhatter | You trying to code your own RDP client, or configure someone else's? |
| 13:53.10 | mnemoc | Ajay: not me |
| 13:53.36 | mnemoc | Ajay: but others here do, so be patient ;-) |
| 13:53.38 | Ajay | No actually i create a RDP Connection through regidtry but i hav to make it autologon |
| 13:54.03 | Ajay | but can't able to achieve this |
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| 13:54.24 | Redhatter | I thought Microsoft made Windows CE... not ABT |
| 13:54.40 | Ajay | i explored n i came to know CredWrite() can help me out .. |
| 13:55.09 | Ajay | ya its cutomozed WinCEos based on microsoft OS |
| 13:56.28 | Redhatter | I think contacting the authors of the app would be more productive. |
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| 14:05.29 | Ajay | i want to make to autologon through registry or by programming .. |
| 14:05.45 | Ajay | so any idea abt that |
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