| 00:03.24 | GPSFan | prpplague: hey... |
| 00:44.04 | solar | ds2: pong |
| 00:45.18 | solar | ds2: I'm usually always around. Just less vocal these days as I've got no embedded-projects going on at the moment. |
| 00:51.18 | ds2 | solar: still there? |
| 00:51.23 | solar | yep |
| 01:09.07 | MonMotha | does anyone have any embedded projects going on these days? |
| 01:16.13 | joe_bleau | Of course. |
| 01:16.24 | solar | do tell |
| 01:17.03 | joe_bleau | I'm working on some upgrades to the RFID project from earlier this year. |
| 01:17.22 | joe_bleau | Couple of incremental firmware upgrades to existing machines in process |
| 01:17.58 | joe_bleau | And finishing the pre-production run of a comm interface |
| 01:18.09 | joe_bleau | Nothing exciting, but we're not stalled out either. |
| 01:19.39 | joe_bleau | Maybe that's not quite what y'all meant by "embedded projects", though. |
| 01:25.31 | MonMotha | eh, that's embedded |
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| 01:59.04 | ds2 | MonMotha: how's IL ? |
| 02:06.30 | MonMotha | ds2: not there anymore |
| 02:06.32 | MonMotha | didn't like it |
| 02:13.11 | ds2 | MonMotha: found something back in IN? |
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| 02:36.00 | MonMotha | ds2: looking like it |
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| 10:58.07 | Mirell | Dear Lord, the NetBSD kernel build layout is horrendous |
| 11:06.06 | florian | Hmm.. adding NetBSD to OE would be interesting |
| 11:28.01 | Mirell | Sigh. eglibc doesn't believe in releases. |
| 11:28.32 | mnemoc | hate those projects |
| 11:28.49 | Mirell | It annoyed me enough to write a rant... |
| 11:29.09 | mnemoc | waits for the URL :) |
| 11:29.15 | Mirell | http://mirell.org/2009/10/01/eglibc-doesnt-believe-in-releases/ |
| 11:29.29 | mnemoc | thx |
| 11:31.18 | Mirell | mnemoc: You were the one trying to do QEMU to avoid cross-compiling, right? And I mentioned the distcc thing to you, neh? |
| 11:31.49 | mnemoc | nope, not me |
| 11:31.55 | Mirell | Oh. |
| 11:32.00 | Mirell | Hmm...stupid ms. |
| 11:32.04 | Mirell | m's, rather. |
| 11:32.08 | mnemoc | =) |
| 11:32.21 | Mirell | Anywho. |
| 11:32.23 | mnemoc | it's a very populare first nick letter |
| 11:32.50 | mnemoc | popular* |
| 11:34.19 | Mirell | And also the letter of my first and last name, so...yeah. |
| 12:51.06 | chouimat | morning |
| 12:51.20 | wmat | Mirell: in your post about eglibc, I think you meant to say "Real men code in binary", you've got "Real mean..." |
| 12:57.21 | Mirell | Yay pedantics! |
| 12:57.21 | Mirell | Also, thanks |
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| 13:48.35 | prpplague | pokes kergoth in the eye with a sharp stick |
| 13:49.04 | kergoth | heads into the office.. damn mornings |
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| 13:51.32 | chouimat | hates UPS |
| 13:52.17 | chouimat | prpplague: saw this? http://chumby.wordpress.com/2009/09/30/coming-soon-chumby-one/ |
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| 13:58.46 | prpplague | chouimat: yea i've seen some of the chumby stuff, but it doesn't interest me much |
| 13:58.57 | prpplague | chouimat: i just don't get into gadgets like taht |
| 13:59.20 | chouimat | prpplague: same for me, but it look like a nice device to abuse ;) |
| 13:59.29 | prpplague | HcE: greetings |
| 13:59.36 | prpplague | HcE: hows life at atmel? |
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| 14:22.09 | keesj | I saw one at FOSDEM last year , I found it a lot bigger / clumsy then expected |
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| 14:29.47 | Mirell | Hmm... |
| 14:30.03 | Mirell | There is basically no documentation whatsoever that I can see so far on how to use clang/LLVM as a cross-compiler. |
| 14:41.53 | chouimat | Mirell: good luck with that :) |
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| 14:44.18 | Mirell | Indeed... |
| 14:44.31 | Mirell | Anything to get away from the insanity gcc is |
| 14:45.49 | Mirell | Holy crap. Google indexing is mad fast |
| 14:46.06 | Mirell | "uclibc vs eglibc" already has my simple rant as #6. |
| 15:00.02 | chouimat | hehe |
| 15:00.41 | prpplague | funny |
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| 15:26.22 | prpplague | chouimat: scrambled eggs anyone? http://www.1-800-exoticmeats.com/froseg.html |
| 15:26.40 | prpplague | chouimat: or should i say "scrambled egg" |
| 15:26.45 | chouimat | haha |
| 15:27.36 | chouimat | prpplague: you will feed the familly for 2 months with that ;) |
| 15:28.00 | prpplague | chouimat: i have two kids, it is not likely to last the morning |
| 15:28.53 | chouimat | speaking of kid, I will need to find a gift for niece ... and it will need to be approved by my sister, don't feel being yelled at |
| 15:29.11 | prpplague | hehe, how old? |
| 15:29.17 | chouimat | will be 4 |
| 15:29.59 | chouimat | prpplague: she wants this http://www.toysrus.ca/product/index.jsp?productId=3760517&kw=&origkw=&parentPage=search&f=PAD/Brand |
| 15:30.26 | prpplague | chouimat: ahh dandy, get something that makes lots of noise, musical instruments are good, or toy laser guys that make all kinds of sound effects |
| 15:30.56 | chouimat | prpplague: my brother bought a kid drums kit |
| 15:37.37 | prpplague | hmm, need to find some large bacon now |
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| 15:43.04 | prpplague | chouimat: i hope the egg arrives on time tomorrow |
| 15:43.10 | chouimat | hehe |
| 15:43.16 | prpplague | chouimat: i really want to cook it on saturday |
| 15:44.30 | g1powermac | prpplague, woo, ostrich egg |
| 15:44.43 | chouimat | I hate it when they don't put the jtag or serial port headers |
| 15:44.56 | chouimat | prpplague: I should get the zippy today ... finally |
| 15:45.24 | prpplague | hehe |
| 15:45.34 | prpplague | g1powermac: yep |
| 15:45.40 | chouimat | and ups will want some money for the import fees :( |
| 15:45.46 | prpplague | doh |
| 15:46.07 | chouimat | prpplague: I'm use to it, will probably be 25$ |
| 15:46.41 | prpplague | i assume $25 cad |
| 15:47.06 | chouimat | prpplague: covert the fees and the ontario import taxes .. I paid 56 for the 57cad for the devkit |
| 15:47.07 | prpplague | ~exchange 1USD to CAD |
| 15:47.14 | prpplague | ~exchange 1 USD to CAD |
| 15:47.23 | chouimat | prpplague: 1 CAD is around 0.92 USD |
| 15:49.33 | prpplague | chouimat: yea rusty really needs to find a canadian resaler and one in the EU |
| 15:50.18 | chouimat | :) |
| 15:50.55 | prpplague | wonders if he should do giant pancakes too |
| 15:53.18 | prpplague | the only thing i miss about working AML, is being able to talk to people |
| 15:53.50 | prpplague | chouimat: turned chilly today |
| 15:54.30 | g1powermac | prpplague, you got us :-) |
| 15:55.01 | chouimat | prpplague: was around 6C yesterday |
| 15:55.12 | chouimat | currently 4C |
| 15:55.46 | prpplague | chouimat: 73F right now |
| 15:56.04 | chouimat | prpplague: here it close to 32C |
| 15:56.08 | chouimat | errr 32F |
| 15:56.37 | prpplague | chouimat: i can convert, hehe, i'm not like most americans |
| 15:56.57 | chouimat | prpplague: I know that but I was thinking of the others in the channel ;) |
| 15:57.06 | prpplague | chouimat: ahh ok, hehe |
| 15:57.35 | prpplague | chouimat: barbados uses C as well for everything |
| 15:59.34 | prpplague | chouimat: i wonder if i should do scrambled or maybe try to fry that egg |
| 15:59.47 | prpplague | wonders how long it would take to boil it |
| 15:59.56 | chouimat | don't never had ostrich egg |
| 16:00.02 | chouimat | +know somewhere |
| 16:00.25 | m4t | prpplague , you got an 8051 sbc designs? |
| 16:00.31 | m4t | any* |
| 16:00.36 | prpplague | chouimat: i figured it would be something fun an memorable to do with the kids |
| 16:00.44 | chouimat | true |
| 16:00.56 | prpplague | m4t: nothing in current production, the hammer was originally design to replace a legacy 8051 design |
| 16:01.10 | prpplague | m4t: something specific you had in mind? |
| 16:01.25 | m4t | oh |
| 16:01.28 | m4t | if i manage to get this (a maxim high-speed) going on a breadboard |
| 16:01.34 | m4t | i might try to design my own |
| 16:01.48 | prpplague | m4t: ahh dandy |
| 16:01.56 | prpplague | m4t: to sell? |
| 16:02.13 | m4t | prpplague nothing too special. battery backed nvram, rtc, temp sensor, a couple other i2c peripherals |
| 16:02.18 | m4t | prpplague hmm, maybe to cover costs |
| 16:02.39 | m4t | s/nvram/sram |
| 16:02.41 | prpplague | m4t: the market for 8051 stuff is pretty small |
| 16:02.58 | m4t | im trying to build it entirely via samples |
| 16:03.26 | prpplague | ahh cute |
| 16:03.32 | m4t | yea |
| 16:04.05 | m4t | maxim samples just about * for it |
| 16:04.07 | prpplague | ds2: i see what you mean about kwikbytes, they are less than helpful |
| 16:04.15 | m4t | though, their econoscillators at smd only |
| 16:04.20 | m4t | are* |
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| 16:05.17 | m4t | maxim ships 20-30$ parts no problem :D |
| 16:06.03 | prpplague | m4t: yea problem is, you can't really use maxim parts in a commercial product, their delivery is terrible and their prices are generally 20% higher than comparible parts |
| 16:08.52 | m4t | i think i'm a ways off from anything that'd be commercially viable |
| 16:08.53 | adyer | we pretty much have a blanket ban on maxim parts for that reason. "you get get two of anything, just don't ask about 1000" |
| 16:10.05 | m4t | they could probably get you as many lots of 998 as you want ;) |
| 16:10.57 | adyer | delivered in those little plastic boxes, two at a time :-( |
| 16:12.14 | m4t | out of curiousity...is there such a thing as a dip mcu w/integrated fpu? |
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| 16:13.00 | adyer | I can't think of anything that's current |
| 16:13.48 | prpplague | m4t: iirc some of the newer zilog Z80 variants had a FPU |
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| 16:15.57 | m4t | that'd be rad, i guess its a niche market though |
| 16:17.21 | prpplague | considers going to lunch today |
| 16:18.20 | Mirell | considers pizza buffet |
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| 16:56.12 | chouimat | prpplague: got the zippy ... 11 for the taxes and 30cad for the broker fees :( |
| 16:56.20 | prpplague | damm |
| 16:56.42 | chouimat | prpplague: the taxes part is ok ... the other part is #$^$^# ups |
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| 17:46.43 | Geep | chouimat: Been there, and now only use usps.. I don't know about fedex.. |
| 17:47.06 | chouimat | usually fedex is good ... |
| 17:47.19 | chouimat | I thought I checked usps ... |
| 17:49.34 | Geep | prpplague: I'm looking at ordering your flyswatter, and at the moment it looks like the Canadian dist is pretty much at par with your own.. As long as I don't get burned by shipping, i'd like to see that you get the profit. |
| 17:50.19 | Geep | (eliminate the middleman, anyway). Have you had any problems with canadian shipping? |
| 17:50.30 | prpplague | Geep: hehe well thanks, however i don't make a dime off them |
| 17:50.55 | prpplague | Geep: chouimat has ordered alot and he's in canada |
| 17:51.06 | prpplague | Geep: in fact he just got an order from TCT today |
| 17:51.20 | Geep | prpplague: thats too bad.. They seem like great little tools, and you certainly deserve something for the support |
| 17:51.32 | prpplague | Geep: well i got paid for designing it |
| 17:52.14 | Geep | Geep: Then is tincantools your own company or are you a employee? |
| 17:52.58 | Geep | prpplague: (oops on the to line) if it isn't prying. |
| 17:53.34 | prpplague | Geep: neither, i have one company, they have another |
| 17:53.42 | prpplague | Geep: we just do alot of business together |
| 17:53.51 | ds2 | I think you can avoid the brokage fees to .CA by using USPS as the shipper |
| 17:54.00 | ds2 | UPS/FEDEX blows chunks |
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| 17:54.36 | Geep | ds2: it is crazy that they continue to get away with it. |
| 17:54.44 | ds2 | indeed |
| 17:54.44 | mnemoc | tends to prefer normal postal services (with tracking) |
| 17:55.08 | ds2 | I go by the old rule... if you just want it there, USPS.... if you want it there on time and quickly, use FEDEX |
| 17:56.22 | mnemoc | ds2: when it comes to international shipments, FEDEX charges you a lot for customs and "their help" at the customs |
| 17:56.49 | ds2 | mnemoc: no doubt... but if you need it there fast, that is the only viable option |
| 17:57.05 | mnemoc | ds2: my expeirence, takes mostly the same time |
| 17:57.15 | mnemoc | 1.5w vs. 2w |
| 17:57.38 | ds2 | I been getting about 1w turn around but these are letter packs |
| 18:00.39 | chouimat | ds2: even with usps/canada post you will end up paying something (mostly taxes) |
| 18:00.52 | ds2 | the VAT stuff? |
| 18:01.00 | chouimat | ds2: GST/PST |
| 18:01.25 | chouimat | ds2: and usually with fedex you only have to pay the taxes ... |
| 18:01.42 | ds2 | chouimat: that's not what other folks are telling me |
| 18:01.51 | ds2 | I been told of $50+ brokage fees |
| 18:03.18 | Geep | ds2: It's the unpredictability that hurts the process the most. |
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| 18:04.20 | ds2 | what's interesting is for into US, there is no taxes |
| 18:04.59 | chouimat | ds2: last time I paid 25cad for fedex |
| 18:06.36 | prpplague | ds2: you could drive over and pick up my egg for me |
| 18:07.14 | ds2 | uh...errr.... where is the egg? |
| 18:08.40 | prpplague | perris,ca not sure where that is |
| 18:09.11 | Mirell | Have Birdo shoot it over |
| 18:09.33 | ds2 | that is .ca |
| 18:10.08 | ds2 | or is you mean city of perris in CA? |
| 18:10.28 | prpplague | city of perris in CA |
| 18:10.39 | prpplague | CA doesn't desire to be capitals |
| 18:10.49 | prpplague | deserve |
| 18:11.08 | ds2 | ah I know where that is... it is about 7 hours away by car |
| 18:11.12 | ds2 | 1.8 hours by plane |
| 18:11.33 | prpplague | wow nice |
| 18:12.04 | prpplague | chouimat: doh, looks like i won't have it until tuesday :( |
| 18:12.07 | ds2 | it about 1hour from central LA |
| 18:12.15 | chouimat | prpplague: ouch |
| 18:12.15 | prpplague | chouimat: guess i'll have to plan for next week then |
| 18:12.31 | prpplague | chouimat: guess the bird was constipated |
| 18:12.42 | chouimat | hehe |
| 18:14.03 | prpplague | chouimat: not sure i could lay an egg either if i had a human standing over me screaming "lay an egg @#$@#$, i got to ship it by 3!!" |
| 18:14.21 | chouimat | ehe |
| 18:14.23 | chouimat | lol |
| 18:14.31 | mnemoc | =) |
| 18:15.57 | calculus | there is an ostrich farm near Solvang (just north of Santa Barbara) |
| 18:16.28 | prpplague | calculus: seems like i saw that one online too, but they were very expensive |
| 18:16.46 | prpplague | calculus: seems like that one wanted $70 for one eg |
| 18:16.46 | prpplague | egg |
| 18:16.47 | calculus | wow |
| 18:17.25 | prpplague | goes to lunch |
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| 18:18.34 | calculus | I remember seeing someone cook with an ostrich egg on Iron Chef |
| 18:18.59 | calculus | they broke the yolk on the first egg and had to get a second one |
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| 18:48.47 | Mirell | Hmm... |
| 19:05.31 | chouimat | goes to lunch |
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| 19:24.52 | Mirell | Wow. Sigh. |
| 19:25.09 | Mirell | http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/9pwb9/eglibc_doesnt_believe_in_releases/c0dvnx1 |
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| 19:26.23 | kergoth | pretty sure glibc already made that decision, i'd assume eglibc just followed suit |
| 19:26.29 | kergoth | unless i'm remembering wrong, which is usually likely :) |
| 19:28.51 | Mirell | kergoth: glibc still actually has tarballs |
| 19:29.01 | Mirell | kergoth: Despite Mr. Drepper |
| 19:29.07 | kergoth | ah |
| 19:29.11 | kergoth | i stand corrected |
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| 22:10.34 | Mirell | *yawn* |
| 22:11.00 | prpplague | Mirell: shut the hell up |
| 22:19.10 | Mirell | ...what? |
| 22:19.23 | Mirell | prpplague: ? |
| 22:19.25 | prpplague | <Mirell> *yawn* |
| 22:19.38 | prpplague | Mirell: just keeping you on your toes |
| 22:19.51 | Mirell | Oh, I thought you meant my current rant with people about eglibc. |
| 22:21.27 | prpplague | Mirell: naw i like rants |
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| 22:44.57 | Mirell | Ahh |
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| 22:48.27 | casefan | PenCentra 130 |
| 22:48.39 | casefan | errr dammit |
| 22:48.41 | casefan | http://www.surpluscomputers.com/348853/fujitsu-pencentra-150-pen-tablet.html |
| 22:52.44 | casefan | wow it can run linux too :P |
| 22:55.54 | casefan | it's a 130 btw the 150 is a typo |
| 23:06.18 | casefan | http://www.pocketpcfaq.com/wce/21/gal_pc130_series%5B1%5D.jpg |
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