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| 01:43.50 | casefan | time for some late night action |
| 01:43.55 | casefan | unzips and whips it out |
| 01:44.15 | casefan | I always keep a pl2303 usb to ttl uart cable in my work duffle bag :P |
| 01:50.38 | joe_bleau | Yeah, I modified a FTDI adapter the other day to be TTL. Handy. |
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| 01:53.03 | casefan | I used it on a samsung hd recentely |
| 01:53.08 | casefan | samsung and seagate have something called tmos |
| 01:53.18 | casefan | and you can interface it with a 3 wire +5 ttl serial device |
| 01:53.21 | casefan | to the jumper block |
| 01:53.30 | casefan | you can mess with firmware, watch bootup and realtime status messages |
| 01:53.31 | casefan | etc |
| 01:53.41 | casefan | I used it while testing a 1tb drive |
| 01:54.07 | m4t | casefan would that be useful if i, for example, set a drive password at 5am and forgot it the next day? |
| 01:54.22 | m4t | on a momentus |
| 01:55.07 | casefan | possibly yes |
| 01:55.22 | casefan | lemme get you some forums and shit |
| 01:55.24 | casefan | info |
| 01:55.32 | m4t | hmm cool, thanks |
| 01:55.40 | casefan | although according to the spec I think you are screwed |
| 01:55.45 | m4t | yea. |
| 01:55.47 | casefan | but you might be able to swap the board live |
| 01:55.53 | casefan | and dump the sectors off |
| 01:56.15 | casefan | give me a few mins my main box is down for repairs |
| 01:56.28 | m4t | what you're describing, would it entail having a second identical drive? |
| 01:56.43 | casefan | yes and same erevisions |
| 01:56.48 | casefan | not just model |
| 01:56.51 | casefan | I will get you page about that also |
| 01:56.55 | m4t | heh |
| 01:57.01 | casefan | ugh this box is beeping every time I type |
| 01:57.01 | casefan | ugh |
| 01:57.03 | m4t | it'd be worth reading |
| 01:57.14 | casefan | it's useful for dying hd's too |
| 01:57.18 | casefan | to get the data off |
| 01:57.31 | casefan | the p-list and g-list will be wrong |
| 01:57.41 | casefan | so you will be mising some and having extra sectors |
| 01:57.44 | casefan | but still better than nothing |
| 02:01.23 | casefan | http://translate.google.com/?prev=hp&hl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.akwxw.com%2Fnews%2Fdisplay_new.asp%3Fid%3D100&sl=zh-CN&tl=en |
| 02:03.09 | casefan | lemmefind more |
| 02:03.16 | casefan | http://files.hddguru.com/download/Datasheets/Seagate/Seagate%20Diagnostic%20RS-232%20Port/ |
| 02:03.18 | casefan | get the rar file |
| 02:03.26 | casefan | don't use that schematic there it's old and icky |
| 02:04.55 | casefan | the hddguru/mhdd and hdat2 forums have a lot of info |
| 02:05.10 | casefan | as do some commercial recovery software manuals and forums |
| 02:05.29 | casefan | I recommend realterm |
| 02:05.33 | casefan | for a terminal program |
| 02:05.46 | casefan | I love linux but I have yet to find anything that matches |
| 02:07.17 | casefan | for general recovery stuff I recommend the videos on google/youtube from scott moulton |
| 02:07.31 | casefan | I am not sure if it's possiblel to bypass ata password but it might be worth giving a shot |
| 02:08.17 | casefan | http://www.pc-hospital.net/html/En/list_2.html |
| 02:08.19 | casefan | another site |
| 02:09.04 | m4t | cool i got the rar |
| 02:09.17 | casefan | btw before I ghave it back |
| 02:09.30 | casefan | when my cable moderm went south this weekend I opened it up and found 4 pins marked "uart" |
| 02:09.37 | casefan | I saved a log of the bootup and error :P |
| 02:09.49 | casefan | looks like they did a firmware update that bricked it the night it died |
| 02:10.50 | casefan | yeah I reallly want to play with selfscan mode on seagate hd |
| 02:11.14 | casefan | you can also do low level formats EXCEPT write servo info which is done by factory robot |
| 02:11.57 | casefan | you can pop and depop heads |
| 02:12.03 | casefan | =urn heads on/off |
| 02:12.15 | m4t | most of the jtags on ebay are marketed for cable modems |
| 02:12.20 | m4t | which might be useful in your case |
| 02:12.34 | MonMotha | is cable modem hacking really that popular? |
| 02:12.39 | m4t | used to be |
| 02:12.43 | m4t | uncapping etc. |
| 02:12.55 | m4t | though i think most providers do it upstream now |
| 02:12.58 | MonMotha | I don't know what the point really is. They can readily detect uncapping, and most providers tend to frown upon it pretty highly. |
| 02:13.08 | casefan | I don't do that shit |
| 02:13.11 | MonMotha | now, hacking consumer routers...that can be handy |
| 02:13.20 | casefan | I just wanted to know wtf happen to my cable modem |
| 02:13.25 | casefan | espically when I had 4 days off work |
| 02:13.33 | casefan | and didn't want to sit around with my thumb up my ass |
| 02:13.41 | casefan | lucky comcast came on the weekend and replaced it |
| 02:13.43 | casefan | I was freaking out |
| 02:14.26 | casefan | I have no desire to fuck with comcast etc |
| 02:15.03 | casefan | which reminds me I got a neat little ar7 dsl modem/router once I recap it |
| 02:15.06 | casefan | could run linux |
| 02:15.11 | casefan | might be useful for a project |
| 02:15.19 | casefan | MonMotha, you need to see this hang on |
| 02:15.43 | casefan | btw I am still damn happy with this |
| 02:15.44 | casefan | http://store.sra-solder.com/product.php?xProd=6267 |
| 02:16.45 | m4t | i got an aoyue as well |
| 02:16.49 | m4t | nothing that fancy |
| 02:17.03 | casefan | it's 100x better than radioFAIL shit I used all my life |
| 02:17.17 | casefan | now I just need to get some non radioFAIL flux paste which I finally learned is equally as shitty |
| 02:17.38 | casefan | this |
| 02:17.48 | casefan | it's a 130 btw, that's a typo there is no 150 |
| 02:17.49 | casefan | http://www.surpluscomputers.com/348853/fujitsu-pencentra-150-pen-tablet.html |
| 02:18.28 | MonMotha | radio shack's solder isn't bad, actually |
| 02:18.39 | MonMotha | their liquid flux is alright. Haven't used the paste |
| 02:18.42 | casefan | solder yeah but their flux is crap |
| 02:18.49 | MonMotha | their soldering irons are terrible, though |
| 02:18.51 | casefan | it's like vasoline with superglue |
| 02:18.58 | casefan | yeah I know that after 35 yrs |
| 02:18.59 | casefan | :P |
| 02:19.14 | casefan | i'm going to get some kester flux pen |
| 02:19.19 | casefan | soon |
| 02:19.26 | m4t | i got a flux pen |
| 02:19.27 | ds2 | the walmart soldering irons are half decent |
| 02:19.30 | m4t | theyre nice |
| 02:19.45 | casefan | m4t if you need anything else about hd's just bug me |
| 02:19.46 | m4t | though the tips, if you're doing through hole, almost get perforated from pins |
| 02:19.55 | MonMotha | EFD FluxPlus seems pretty good |
| 02:19.57 | m4t | casefan cool yea. the hdd has been sitting dead for a couple years |
| 02:20.08 | m4t | i uh, kind of just happened to catch a bit of what you were saying earlier |
| 02:20.08 | casefan | I have ones from 10 yrs ago |
| 02:20.14 | casefan | i finally have the tech to get the data off |
| 02:20.19 | m4t | hah cool |
| 02:20.22 | casefan | excited I bought a p3 server |
| 02:20.29 | casefan | to use as a dedicated ddrescue box |
| 02:20.38 | casefan | #1 rule of data recovery - DO NOT FUCK AROUND |
| 02:20.44 | casefan | if you get the hd to spin up and post |
| 02:20.51 | casefan | drop everything youa re doing and start copying bits off asap |
| 02:20.57 | casefan | so best to have a dedicated box |
| 02:21.01 | casefan | that won't be rebooted etc |
| 02:21.09 | casefan | also it can take weeks/months in some cases on really bad hd's |
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| 02:23.41 | casefan | my old cable modem :p |
| 02:25.26 | casefan | this is a conner 500 meg hd with a dead head trying to keep spinning up and recover |
| 02:25.28 | casefan | Interface task reset |
| 02:25.28 | casefan | Filepro-270/540 - 8FT0.50 12-22-93 |
| 02:25.28 | casefan | AT8P |
| 02:25.28 | casefan | Ref 00B6 - Xsition 23 - Full spd 0D4 - |
| 02:25.29 | casefan | Ref 00B4 - Xsition 23 - Full spd 01E2 - |
| 02:25.31 | casefan | Ref 00B3 - Xsition 23 - Full spd 01D2 - |
| 02:25.51 | casefan | these ttl uart cables are DAMN handy :) |
| 02:27.06 | casefan | shame I destroyed 4 of the 6 I had |
| 02:27.23 | casefan | gotta check to make sure you aren't hitting pins > +5 :( |
| 02:30.10 | casefan | appears you can do a board swap to get around the pw |
| 02:30.38 | casefan | you are going to have some corrupted bits etc but at least you can try to carve out your data files |
| 02:32.46 | casefan | mabye not hmm |
| 02:32.55 | casefan | getting conflicting info |
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| 05:40.24 | m4t | http://www.linuxfordevices.com/c/a/News/PlatHome-OpenBlockS-600/ |
| 05:41.50 | m4t | 1$/mhz :( |
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| 05:50.57 | casefan | heh |
| 05:51.02 | casefan | laughs |
| 05:51.26 | casefan | remebers 1994 "powerpc is here!, intel sucks, powerpc will own all " |
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| 05:51.48 | casefan | kinda funny though |
| 05:51.53 | casefan | they do kinda rule in some embedded space |
| 05:51.59 | casefan | so they just got the target wrong :P |
| 05:52.29 | MonMotha | very, very popular in telecom |
| 05:52.38 | casefan | of course |
| 05:52.42 | casefan | and many raid carfds |
| 05:52.46 | casefan | cause it's a good embedded cpu |
| 05:52.56 | MonMotha | MIPS seems to have taken over the consumer router department |
| 05:53.07 | MonMotha | TV set-tops seem split MIPS/PPC |
| 05:53.25 | MonMotha | actually, a lot of RAID cards I see use ARM |
| 05:53.43 | MonMotha | Intel 960 was popular before that move |
| 05:53.43 | casefan | has 6 net4501 boards to play with, assuming he can fix the broken ones he got for $5/each |
| 05:53.59 | casefan | yeah but i960 is ca.... well it has faults |
| 05:54.04 | casefan | ran out of gas |
| 05:54.10 | casefan | as disks got bigger and faster |
| 05:54.19 | casefan | I rather into this personally |
| 05:54.27 | MonMotha | 960 was a cool arch |
| 05:54.38 | MonMotha | biggest thing that held it back at the time I think was the (official) lack of a MMU |
| 05:54.39 | casefan | how so, a lot of suff I read said it sucked |
| 05:54.44 | casefan | some had mmu |
| 05:54.48 | casefan | some revisions |
| 05:54.50 | MonMotha | yes |
| 05:55.03 | casefan | I always wondered how old you are |
| 05:55.08 | MonMotha | but none of the non-military ones had official MMU support |
| 05:55.20 | MonMotha | mid-20s |
| 05:55.29 | casefan | oh just a runt :P |
| 05:55.33 | casefan | very smart runt though LP |
| 05:55.35 | casefan | :P |
| 05:55.51 | MonMotha | I pretty much eat, sleep, and breathe this stuff |
| 05:55.59 | casefan | yeah so did I |
| 05:56.10 | casefan | now I am 35 and body and brain are shutting down |
| 05:56.21 | casefan | but I am going to try to have a little more fun before I go ;) |
| 05:56.36 | casefan | espically now that after 35 yrs I discover that I can actually solder |
| 05:56.43 | MonMotha | heh |
| 05:56.46 | MonMotha | it's not that hard |
| 05:56.47 | casefan | once I bought the aoyue 967 |
| 05:56.50 | casefan | well |
| 05:56.55 | casefan | I used radioFAIL irons all my life |
| 05:56.58 | casefan | cause I didn't know better |
| 05:57.01 | MonMotha | oh, yeah. That'll cause problems. |
| 05:57.03 | casefan | and radioFAIL flux |
| 05:57.13 | MonMotha | even the $50 online specials are WAY better than the radioshack ones |
| 05:57.15 | casefan | omfg it's like vasoline mixed wirh superglue |
| 05:57.23 | casefan | you can't get it off skin |
| 05:57.26 | casefan | 1 microdrop |
| 05:57.30 | casefan | gets on all your tools |
| 05:57.32 | casefan | fingers etc |
| 05:57.47 | casefan | i'm done with that shit |
| 05:57.50 | casefan | I don't mind water wash |
| 05:57.57 | casefan | I donn't even mind having to scrub a bit |
| 05:58.06 | casefan | but flux should not requiure freaking sandblasting |
| 05:58.08 | casefan | to remove |
| 05:58.15 | MonMotha | tried isopropanol? |
| 05:58.25 | casefan | yes it's barely effective |
| 05:58.32 | casefan | best is orange oil + isopropayol |
| 05:58.33 | MonMotha | hum. pretty crappy flux, yes |
| 05:58.46 | MonMotha | the radio shack flux I had comes off pretty cleanly with isopropanol |
| 05:58.50 | casefan | i'm goin got get a kester pen |
| 05:58.54 | casefan | yellow shit? |
| 05:58.59 | casefan | like vasoline |
| 05:59.06 | MonMotha | slight film on the PCB sometimes if I over-applied, but that happens with production stuff |
| 05:59.16 | MonMotha | no. This is their liquid rosin flux. It's a deep brown color. |
| 05:59.27 | casefan | oh they don't sell that around here |
| 05:59.34 | casefan | just have this tin of gel shit |
| 05:59.51 | MonMotha | well, they call it a paste, but it's really more of a somewhat viscous liquid |
| 05:59.59 | MonMotha | catalog number 64-021 |
| 06:00.59 | casefan | checks |
| 06:01.28 | MonMotha | radioshack products have also been known to vary over time even when sold under the same catalog number |
| 06:01.44 | casefan | neat the base is simple green :P |
| 06:02.05 | casefan | the sad thing is kester makes the shit I have |
| 06:02.10 | casefan | I would be embarassed |
| 06:02.17 | casefan | lemme go check the part |
| 06:02.28 | casefan | bah nm it's in my car |
| 06:02.34 | casefan | cause I been using my station at work a few times |
| 06:02.53 | casefan | yeah the stuff you have is different |
| 06:03.03 | casefan | I got some stuff from home depot temp for now |
| 06:03.07 | casefan | came in a soldering kit |
| 06:03.18 | casefan | some leadfree solder and a tube of flux |
| 06:03.27 | casefan | flux is HCL and zinc something |
| 06:03.32 | MonMotha | I do not like the lead free solder |
| 06:03.38 | casefan | I didn't get it for that ;) |
| 06:03.48 | MonMotha | you have to use more active fluxes that tend to be pretty nasty, and of course it is higher temp |
| 06:03.52 | MonMotha | in general, it's just harder to work with |
| 06:03.58 | MonMotha | then of course there's the tin whisker issue |
| 06:04.24 | casefan | http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2049774 |
| 06:04.49 | MonMotha | oh yeah, that stuff |
| 06:04.49 | MonMotha | I'm not a fan |
| 06:05.04 | MonMotha | that's what we had at a place I previously worked |
| 06:05.12 | MonMotha | well, it was Kester branded |
| 06:05.45 | MonMotha | I think the base may have been a little different as it did clean up reasonably easily with isopropanol |
| 06:06.13 | MonMotha | it did work, though |
| 06:06.23 | casefan | I had problems modding my 286 |
| 06:06.28 | casefan | an d I wonder if it was the flux |
| 06:06.35 | casefan | j-lead ram |
| 06:07.11 | casefan | yeah the whole rohs is depressing |
| 06:07.17 | casefan | but no one seems to give a fuck about anything anymore |
| 06:07.19 | casefan | so I gave up |
| 06:07.27 | MonMotha | well, I know what the EU was going for with RoHS |
| 06:07.46 | casefan | they spit out power supplies that are downright dangerous |
| 06:07.47 | casefan | etc |
| 06:08.00 | casefan | what? |
| 06:08.09 | MonMotha | frequently, the problem is that industry is unwilling to expend the money/effort to develop alternatives to stuff already in use even if it has environmental or other problems. Impending regulation can frequently force the issue on such development. |
| 06:08.22 | casefan | yeah but in this case it didn't |
| 06:08.26 | MonMotha | unfortunately, with RoHS, nobody has yet to develop good lead-free solder that eliminates all the problems. |
| 06:08.29 | casefan | now we got failures out the ass |
| 06:08.33 | MonMotha | but of course, the regulation stands |
| 06:08.49 | MonMotha | I've not had too many failures I can attribute to RoHS |
| 06:09.00 | MonMotha | it seems to be more of a production nightmare |
| 06:09.19 | casefan | talk to nvidia :P |
| 06:09.24 | casefan | or m$ |
| 06:09.43 | MonMotha | Pb-Free BGAs don't always reflow right at low temp, but non-Pb-Free parts can't always take the higher soldering temps |
| 06:09.53 | MonMotha | IIRC, nVidia's problem was not RoHS related but rather plastic related |
| 06:09.59 | casefan | yeah I know that also |
| 06:10.06 | casefan | they were beyond fucking retarded |
| 06:10.12 | MonMotha | The XB360 RROD problem is an assembly issue, not a problem with Pb-Free itself |
| 06:10.21 | ds2 | think of all the jobs it would create by making everything fail as quickly as possible |
| 06:10.23 | MonMotha | you absolutely have to get the reflow profile right |
| 06:10.35 | MonMotha | there's not as much margin as there are on lead-containing parts |
| 06:10.35 | casefan | "gee lets choose a marterial that starts to fail around 60c and our gpu's hit this temp 5 yrs prior" |
| 06:10.52 | casefan | ds2, oh blow that out their ass |
| 06:11.06 | MonMotha | have to find a CM that can handle everything |
| 06:11.08 | casefan | if that's the way they want to play the mabye mankind should just be wiped out and get to over with :P |
| 06:11.10 | MonMotha | I've found that many cannot |
| 06:11.23 | casefan | my aoyue 968 can reflow bga btw |
| 06:11.32 | casefan | might have to try eventually |
| 06:11.37 | casefan | mabye on those net4501 boards |
| 06:11.52 | MonMotha | My toaster oven can reflow BGA. The issue isn't the reflow step, it's getting the darn part placed accurately |
| 06:12.07 | casefan | toaster oven is worthless for repairs |
| 06:12.12 | MonMotha | corner fids in copper can help if the part plastic tolerances are close enough |
| 06:12.17 | casefan | you will cook electrolytics and melt all the connectors |
| 06:12.18 | casefan | :P |
| 06:12.26 | MonMotha | yeah, that's what the heat gun is for :) |
| 06:12.32 | casefan | this is a heat gun |
| 06:12.34 | casefan | bit temp regfulated |
| 06:12.47 | MonMotha | I have a temp regulated heat gun |
| 06:12.52 | casefan | $159 shipped with a 35w regulated iron too |
| 06:12.56 | MonMotha | it's not overly accurate, but it's close enough for government work |
| 06:12.58 | MonMotha | and it was only $40 |
| 06:13.10 | casefan | http://store.sra-solder.com/product.php?xProd=6267 |
| 06:13.13 | casefan | I love my baby |
| 06:13.33 | casefan | tqfp are a c** to get off |
| 06:13.35 | casefan | but getting there |
| 06:13.37 | MonMotha | you won't see me giving up my 60W temp controlled Weller very readily, though I would like a Metcal station for smaller stuff |
| 06:13.46 | casefan | I might just want to buy a tqfp nozzle for it |
| 06:13.47 | MonMotha | QFP? never had a problem with QFP |
| 06:14.13 | casefan | I have problems trying to get them off old baords |
| 06:14.15 | MonMotha | heat gun and pick it up if you need to save the part, or just cut all the leads off and clean up with an iron and braid if you don't care and just need to replace |
| 06:14.18 | casefan | just screwing around |
| 06:14.20 | casefan | testing etc |
| 06:14.32 | MonMotha | With older stuff, it can help to flow some new solder on |
| 06:14.42 | casefan | or non-fail flux :) |
| 06:15.14 | MonMotha | I don't see how flux would help a whole lot to get the part off the board |
| 06:15.14 | casefan | MonMotha, I am glad that solution works for you |
| 06:15.14 | casefan | but my health is deteriating |
| 06:15.19 | casefan | now my vision is starting to get wonky |
| 06:15.26 | casefan | so I rather would have just spent the $159 |
| 06:15.33 | casefan | so I can focus on actually buildin gthe circuit etc |
| 06:15.36 | casefan | if I ever get a chance |
| 06:15.41 | casefan | it was money well spent to me |
| 06:15.50 | MonMotha | eh, I have absolutely no problems with a plain old heat gun, even not temp controlled |
| 06:15.54 | casefan | btw your iron would whoop mine 10x over |
| 06:15.58 | MonMotha | it's not exactly precision work :) |
| 06:16.04 | casefan | but this iron is 10sx better than radioFAIL garbage |
| 06:16.06 | casefan | so I am happy |
| 06:16.11 | MonMotha | yes, my iron is pretty nice |
| 06:16.15 | MonMotha | Weller WESD-51 |
| 06:16.28 | MonMotha | I figured I use the thing enough that I might as well get a decent one |
| 06:16.29 | casefan | I probably would have gone hakko 936 |
| 06:16.34 | casefan | if I had just got an iron |
| 06:16.39 | casefan | this is a hakko clone basically |
| 06:16.41 | MonMotha | Weller is handy because tips are readily available at retail |
| 06:16.56 | casefan | I can use hakko tips :P |
| 06:16.56 | MonMotha | not that I go through tips very fast\ |
| 06:17.45 | casefan | nice talking to you but I am going to scoot I need to get some sleep going into work early tomarrow a bit because fellow employee is leaveing |
| 06:17.50 | casefan | see you again sometime :P |
| 06:17.55 | MonMotha | ok |
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| 13:52.07 | prpplague | ho ho ho, merry freakin friday |
| 13:52.07 | prpplague | !!! |
| 14:01.55 | GPSFan | prpplague: howdy.. |
| 14:02.07 | prpplague | GPSFan: hey bud whats cookin today? |
| 14:02.56 | GPSFan | cold outside, lousy last few days, depressed. ;>( |
| 14:03.20 | prpplague | GPSFan: seems to be alot of that going on |
| 14:03.31 | prpplague | GPSFan: haven't been able to get to the brewery? |
| 14:03.55 | GPSFan | prpplague: that's part of the problem. |
| 14:04.23 | prpplague | GPSFan: been totally depressed at the sales of the zippy, and try to decide where to go with beagle products |
| 14:05.38 | GPSFan | prpplague: I keep reading about problems with the EHCI being flakey, and no one seems to have a fix. I'h hoping that Ti will one day have a production quality part to sell. |
| 14:05.53 | prpplague | GPSFan: yea |
| 14:06.27 | GPSFan | but maybe they will just keep shipping ES parts till it goes EOL. |
| 14:07.04 | GPSFan | remembers parts from Ti that never existed except in mas market devices. that were all marked ESxxx |
| 14:58.56 | chouimat | morning |
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| 15:54.50 | dijenerate | prpplague: howdy |
| 15:59.38 | prpplague | dijenerate: greetings |
| 15:59.44 | prpplague | dijenerate: hows the island? |
| 16:01.38 | dijenerate | prpplague: all's well here |
| 16:01.58 | dijenerate | prpplague: same old, same old, hot sunny, economy sucks |
| 16:02.21 | prpplague | dijenerate: have to be careful at the store these days, they had you a bag and it might not have your grocery's, but a baby instead |
| 16:02.27 | prpplague | s/had/hand |
| 16:02.59 | dijenerate | prpplague: so you heard... |
| 16:03.20 | chouimat | ? |
| 16:03.21 | prpplague | dijenerate: you forget my wife has about 1000000000000000000000000000 cousins still in barbados |
| 16:03.44 | prpplague | chouimat: had a rash of new babies being left in plastic bags on the beach |
| 16:03.46 | dijenerate | prpplague: yes yes of course |
| 16:03.57 | chouimat | prpplague: ok |
| 16:04.10 | dijenerate | well one really, and the mother was a 21 year old mentally unstable case |
| 16:04.19 | dijenerate | has like 2 kids already |
| 16:04.35 | prpplague | dijenerate: hmm, i thought they had reported a second one |
| 16:04.50 | dijenerate | prpplague: nope, just one as far as I know |
| 16:04.58 | dijenerate | prpplague: was front page news yesterday |
| 16:05.14 | prpplague | dijenerate: ahh, my wife must have gotten the information from two different places taking about the same case |
| 16:05.14 | dijenerate | prpplague: kinda shocking for this island |
| 16:05.26 | prpplague | yea |
| 16:05.43 | dijenerate | prpplague: yeah... conservative society of only 290,000 people |
| 16:05.53 | dijenerate | prpplague: they don't get out much |
| 16:06.18 | dijenerate | prpplague: and there won't be any Marilyn Manson concerts here anytime soon |
| 16:06.35 | dijenerate | prpplague: have you tried out google wave yet? |
| 16:06.38 | prpplague | dijenerate: hehe, indeed, you forget i lived there for almost 4 years |
| 16:06.47 | prpplague | dijenerate: sorry no |
| 16:06.57 | dijenerate | prpplague: yes of course so you know how things are here |
| 16:07.29 | dijenerate | prpplague: looks pretty good, still haven't gotten my sandbox access as a dev and I've been approved for over 2 months |
| 16:07.42 | dijenerate | prpplague: I am definitely not doing Google I/O next year |
| 16:08.22 | dijenerate | prpplague: 100,000 beta tester invitations sent out this week and there are still developers who can't even get started on it |
| 16:08.33 | dijenerate | prpplague: no passwords |
| 16:08.56 | prpplague | interesting |
| 16:08.57 | dijenerate | prpplague: was hoping to have it integrated into my company's site by now for beta testing |
| 16:11.08 | dijenerate | prpplague: very very in-a-nutshell view of the platform... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDu2A3WzQpo&feature=player_embedded |
| 16:11.21 | dijenerate | prpplague: and it's completely open source |
| 16:11.38 | prpplague | ahh interesting, i don't do much userland stuff but it does look interesting |
| 16:11.40 | dijenerate | I don't know if BSD, MIT or GPL though |
| 16:12.02 | dijenerate | very very useful collaboration toolk |
| 16:12.32 | dijenerate | s/toolk/tool |
| 16:13.44 | dijenerate | and on another topic have you seen this? http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/pocketables/PpUx/~3/5zLc6KLsW6w/first-impressions-of-the-sharp-netwalker-pcz1.html |
| 16:14.04 | dijenerate | Sharp has finally done what they should have with the Zaurus like 3 years ago |
| 16:14.16 | dijenerate | albeit a bit dated now and lacking 3G |
| 16:14.54 | prpplague | dijenerate: hehe looks like they finally approved the subway franchise, after what, 7 years? |
| 16:15.19 | dijenerate | well still subject to the acceptance of the local community |
| 16:15.46 | dijenerate | remember, McDonald's got approved and was here but Chefette Restaurants pretty much chased them off the island |
| 16:16.14 | dijenerate | these local companies are much like the mob when it comes to competition |
| 16:17.02 | dijenerate | TGIF is here because it doesn't directly compete with anything local, the closest competition being the sports bars but still not the same market |
| 16:17.35 | dijenerate | KFC has been here like from before time, like in the days of analogue chicken...lol |
| 16:17.45 | prpplague | trust me, i am well aware of the halouts business(and personal) practices |
| 16:17.47 | dijenerate | but others, have a hard time getting here |
| 16:18.11 | dijenerate | so there you have it |
| 16:19.29 | prpplague | i know my brother-in-law has been trying to get a subway in his gas stations along with goddard for about atleast 5 years |
| 16:19.39 | prpplague | i'm sure he is pretty happy |
| 16:20.02 | dijenerate | what gas stations does he have? |
| 16:21.03 | prpplague | dijenerate: too many to name, but he has the one at market hill, four roads, the one down in oistins in the shopping center, the one next to light and power |
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| 16:21.33 | prpplague | dijenerate: iirc he has a total of 11 |
| 16:22.00 | dijenerate | Texaco... ok, was asking because we want to get our screens into gas stations as well so we'll need to get contacts |
| 16:22.08 | dijenerate | http://bb.smdwireless.com/adspaces |
| 16:22.51 | prpplague | dijenerate: well he's a no nonsense kind of guy, you'll have to persuade him and his staff it is worth their time and will make money |
| 16:23.27 | prpplague | dijenerate: he;s also the majority stake holder in http://barbadosgolfclub.com/index.cfm |
| 16:23.29 | dijenerate | oh, it will |
| 16:24.38 | prpplague | dijenerate: call out there to KLC enterprises, Icel usually handles his contacts/meetings and such |
| 16:24.39 | dijenerate | we still have some testing to complete so I'll let you know when we're ready in a few weeks so you can pass the word along |
| 16:24.51 | dijenerate | ok |
| 16:25.29 | prpplague | dijenerate: might just say "Dave Anders mention i might contact you about this" |
| 16:25.49 | dijenerate | ok, I'll do that then |
| 16:26.06 | dijenerate | what's his name? |
| 16:26.18 | prpplague | Tony Kirton |
| 16:26.35 | dijenerate | ok, cool |
| 16:26.41 | prpplague | the best business i've every met in my entire life |
| 16:26.44 | prpplague | businessman |
| 16:26.49 | dijenerate | ok, cool |
| 16:27.08 | dijenerate | I'll give him a call, but as soon as testing is completed |
| 16:27.14 | prpplague | word of warning, don't go in there thinking you can BS him, he is darn sharp |
| 16:27.55 | prpplague | dijenerate: try going through Icel or Mrs.King, they are more likely to set it up properly for you |
| 16:28.15 | dijenerate | no BS on this, it practically sells itself |
| 16:28.36 | dijenerate | new tech, web based damn easy to use and extremely highly available |
| 16:28.49 | dijenerate | security, no-compete code, the works |
| 16:28.54 | prpplague | dijenerate: i might have to go down to barbados in a few weeks, the Crane is looking to use some handhelds for their room service stuff |
| 16:28.59 | dijenerate | it'll take the island by storm |
| 16:29.26 | dijenerate | ok, we actually want to start dev of a platform for our own use in Jan |
| 16:29.28 | prpplague | dijenerate: well Tony isn't a techie, he just wants it to work, so don't try to overpower him with the tech part |
| 16:29.32 | dijenerate | it's consumer grade |
| 16:29.42 | prpplague | dijenerate: handheld? |
| 16:29.46 | dijenerate | yes |
| 16:30.01 | prpplague | ahh, you looked at the M8050 yet? |
| 16:30.28 | prpplague | the userland stuff is terribly marketed, but it is open so you could put whatever you need on it |
| 16:30.37 | dijenerate | something like this http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/03/toshibas-journe-touch-multimedia-tablet/ |
| 16:31.05 | dijenerate | but with OpenSolaris, ZFS, 2GB DDR2, 4G and wireless USB and wireless charging |
| 16:31.14 | prpplague | hmm |
| 16:31.20 | prpplague | little different |
| 16:31.32 | dijenerate | like 9 hours + battery life and maybe on a Cortex |
| 16:31.43 | prpplague | dijenerate: http://www.amltd.com/M8050.asp |
| 16:31.59 | prpplague | dijenerate: you can get 24 hours on a charge with the M8050 and it has a magstripe reader |
| 16:32.44 | dijenerate | screen size and RAM are very different on that as it's for industrial use |
| 16:32.49 | prpplague | dijenerate: i am hope'n that the crane will be interested in using them for their guest services |
| 16:33.07 | prpplague | dijenerate: what are you planning to use yours for? |
| 16:33.17 | dijenerate | I'm looking more for multimedia, so a finicky market that wants to watch movies all day |
| 16:33.44 | dijenerate | our own cloud computing platform |
| 16:33.48 | prpplague | oh, i thought you said commercial, your going retail? |
| 16:33.50 | dijenerate | consumer grade |
| 16:33.56 | dijenerate | retail |
| 16:34.00 | prpplague | ahh |
| 16:34.07 | prpplague | definetly different market |
| 16:34.15 | dijenerate | consumer not commercial |
| 16:34.47 | prpplague | tough market |
| 16:34.51 | dijenerate | we need mostly design we have manufacturing covered |
| 16:35.10 | dijenerate | it can be but I've spent 10 years on the consumer electronics side of embedded design |
| 16:35.21 | dijenerate | I think we may have something here |
| 16:35.38 | dijenerate | a very different approach that uses existing tech |
| 16:36.25 | dijenerate | we want to go with OLED for the display and modularize it using Wireless USB so external USB display adapters or pico Laser projectors |
| 16:36.27 | dijenerate | that kind of thing |
| 16:36.47 | prpplague | ahh interesting |
| 16:37.27 | dijenerate | a very 'fun' device but with performance even though on arm |
| 16:37.47 | prpplague | doesn't get into that end of gadgets |
| 16:37.51 | dijenerate | so the most power consuming parts will be the radios and the graphics accel |
| 16:37.59 | prpplague | as soon as it boots and all the device drivers work, i tend to loose interest |
| 16:38.33 | dijenerate | oh... well I don't trust many people with this project since we know where we want to take it and once inside you'll see that as well |
| 16:38.54 | dijenerate | that last thing we need is to do the work then see an Apple patent for it just before we get there |
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| 16:40.10 | dijenerate | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tdVzboF2E2Q&feature=player_embedded |
| 16:40.43 | dijenerate | kergoth_: howdy... long time... |
| 16:41.01 | kergoth_ | hey |
| 16:41.44 | dijenerate | prpplague: well if you change your mind... it will be a 'fun' device so you might be interested after boot when you see the stuff we plan to do with it |
| 16:41.51 | dijenerate | kergoth_: how goes it? |
| 16:42.11 | dijenerate | kergoth_: as you wonder, who the hell this is... lol |
| 16:42.29 | prpplague | dijenerate: hehe, yea not my cup of tea |
| 16:43.39 | chouimat | waits for the painkiller to kick in |
| 16:43.40 | dijenerate | prpplague: btw, we need web developers badly... anyone in your neck of the woods with php and js skills looking for a change of scenery? |
| 16:44.11 | prpplague | dijenerate: hehe i can ask around |
| 16:44.45 | dijenerate | prpplague: preferably coders who do it the old fashioned way... text editor, line-by-line, not the dreamweaver and flash jocks... real coders |
| 16:44.51 | dijenerate | prpplague: thanks |
| 16:45.09 | chouimat | dijenerate: good luck to find one of those ;-p |
| 16:45.45 | dijenerate | prpplague: tell me about it, we have like one and myself here and a workload for a team of 15 between us |
| 16:46.35 | dijenerate | prpplague: take a look at our front page http://www.smdwireless.com |
| 16:46.53 | dijenerate | prpplague: not yet optimized, but that is entirely Js... we do not like flash |
| 16:47.15 | chouimat | wow |
| 16:47.22 | dijenerate | prpplague: that was written line by line, effects and all using the jquery framework |
| 16:47.39 | dijenerate | and then stuff like http://bb.smdwireless.com/partners |
| 16:47.48 | dijenerate | prpplague: again not flash |
| 16:48.57 | dijenerate | prpplague: so that's the challenge we need our programmers to be able to handle and then we have some other stuff planned, like we have a javascript video player in development for like streaming |
| 16:50.25 | dijenerate | chouimat: I know, nice right? |
| 16:51.14 | dijenerate | entire site took two guys (with distractions from four useless fired interns) a year to develop |
| 16:53.00 | dijenerate | we had to write the platform ourselves and develop the api as well so we could do the other stuff we want... customer management, accounting system, e-commerce, with real-time transaction accounting plus support records remotely from handhelds, all web based using our own cloud platform |
| 16:53.15 | dijenerate | hence the need for that handheld |
| 16:54.52 | dijenerate | prpplague: so if you know anyone you would recommend for the handheld dev please feel free to send them my way |
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| 19:38.12 | prpplague | dijenerate: ds2 might be interested, that's more up his alley |
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| 21:42.18 | Mirell | prpplague: Yes? |
| 21:47.40 | casefan | prpplague, did you see the tablet pc I linked to yesterdat |
| 21:47.54 | prpplague | casefan: yea i saw it about 4 years ago |
| 21:48.05 | prpplague | casefan: they purchased like 8000 of them |
| 21:48.12 | casefan | they? |
| 21:48.23 | prpplague | halted.com iirc |
| 21:48.30 | casefan | oh ok |
| 21:48.38 | casefan | cause apprentely it can run linux and netbsd |
| 21:48.43 | casefan | looks insteresting for $60 |
| 21:48.44 | prpplague | they've been selling them off to people |
| 21:48.56 | prpplague | http://www.halted.com/ccp20981-fujitsu-pencentra-130-pen-tablet-computer-pencentra-130-80797.htm |
| 21:49.02 | casefan | upgrading to 48 meg ram is $10 :p |
| 21:49.19 | casefan | wow $10 cheaper |
| 21:49.20 | casefan | thx |
| 21:49.20 | prpplague | yea the vr4121 was a pretty dandy SoC at the time |
| 21:49.56 | casefan | I love how many devices I Have found serial pins on |
| 21:50.08 | casefan | my semi dead cable modem had a lot of neat info I captured to fule before I gave it back |
| 21:50.11 | casefan | when it went bad |
| 21:50.21 | casefan | I suspect comcast did firmware updates and bricked it semi |
| 21:50.36 | casefan | btw if you haven't tried it yet |
| 21:50.39 | casefan | try realterm |
| 21:50.47 | casefan | best serial debugger app for free I found so far |
| 21:51.02 | casefan | only downside is it's for windows but will run in wine |
| 21:51.52 | casefan | i'm trying to set it up on a old laptop |
| 21:52.12 | casefan | had a hel of a time getting windows 2000 on there and now it's going downhill fast |
| 21:52.12 | casefan | getting can't exec icons etc |
| 21:52.17 | casefan | might have to sledge it this weekend :p |
| 21:53.44 | casefan | I think it's reached the point where not even my "ducttape" skills can save it |
| 21:59.51 | casefan | btw in case someone here doesn't know about this site |
| 22:00.03 | casefan | pain in the ass to deal with but might be useful for looking for rare parts |
| 22:00.10 | casefan | www.73.com |
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