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| 15:54.34 | landley | pokes prpplague in absentia. |
| 15:54.53 | prpplague | landley: hey bud |
| 15:54.54 | landley | Ah right, not in absentia, he gets sorted at the top of the list instead of alphabetically due to admin priviledges. |
| 15:54.58 | prpplague | landley: whats cookin? |
| 15:55.00 | landley | Hello. |
| 15:55.19 | landley | Still sadly underemployed. Getting kind of tired of it. |
| 15:55.44 | prpplague | yea, i have a dozen quotes out right now, haven't heard back from any of them |
| 15:55.55 | landley | The hour long version of mirell's and my 8 hour slides is now online on archive.org, except the audio's gliteched and full of "ums" because I didn't practice the massively abridged version enough. |
| 15:56.25 | landley | (In this context, "um" translates to "next slide please", and we were averaging a slide about every 10 seconds.) |
| 15:56.57 | landley | I have only a vague idea how to sell day-long tutorials. Mostly cold calling various companies and seeing if they're interested. Gotta be a better way than that... |
| 15:56.58 | prpplague | wow |
| 15:57.21 | prpplague | yea, i'm talking with a retired marketing person |
| 15:57.23 | landley | I note that doing an 8 hour presentation in 54 minutes is equivalent to doing the minute waltz in 11 seconds. |
| 15:57.31 | prpplague | hehe |
| 15:57.32 | landley | Ok _marketing_ I can do, but this is sales. |
| 15:57.57 | prpplague | landley: sorry i should qualify, marketing and sales |
| 15:57.58 | landley | Gimme a budget and six months and I can make thousands of people think this is _cool_. It's not the same as getting them to actually buy it in a finite amount of time. |
| 15:58.19 | landley | Just open sourcing it is an excellent marketing tool... |
| 15:58.48 | landley | Speaking of which, http://impactlinux.com/presentations.html |
| 15:59.01 | prpplague | yea, i want to make sure people have my card and know the areas of work that i can do _before_ they need the work |
| 15:59.36 | landley | And the um-fest at http://www.archive.org/download/OhioLinuxfest2009/44-Rob_Landley_and_Mark_Miller-Developing_for_Non_x86_Targets_Using_QEMU_vbr.mp3 |
| 15:59.41 | prpplague | landley: you seen these kurig coffee machines? |
| 15:59.52 | landley | The first minute is a horrible DJ trying to be funny while introducing us. That could be trimmed... |
| 16:00.03 | landley | What's a kurig coffee machine? |
| 16:01.31 | prpplague | http://www.keurig.com/ |
| 16:02.05 | landley | Ah yes, mirell has one of those. |
| 16:02.16 | landley | I don't actually drink coffee. |
| 16:02.47 | prpplague | landley: you do drink tea though? |
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| 16:09.55 | landley | prpplague: yup. I make it by the gallon. :) |
| 16:10.22 | prpplague | landley: they have a wide variety of tea as well |
| 16:10.34 | prpplague | landley: pretty handy for doing single cups |
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| 16:24.09 | Mirell | prpplague: Meh, the tea out of it is not as good. |
| 16:24.15 | Mirell | prpplague: Tea needs to simmer more. |
| 16:24.38 | prpplague | Mirell: ahh |
| 16:25.18 | Mirell | prpplague: But the coffee, oh, it is awesome for a lone coffee drinker |
| 16:25.51 | prpplague | Mirell: my grandmother who lived through the depression gave me a hard time about buying keurig, she complained it was really wasteful to make single cups like that, hehe |
| 16:34.41 | landley | Tea works quite well by the gallon, as long as you know what you're doing. |
| 16:35.27 | landley | http://tinyurl.com/l43t and http://tinyurl.com/6zubu7 cover it pretty well, though. |
| 16:36.44 | prpplague | looks |
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| 16:49.33 | landley | Ok, I now have a list of companies to cold call and ask for their... training departments? Training receiving departments? Education divisions? |
| 16:50.09 | landley | Darn it, I'm pretty sure training is handled at the department level. Figuring out who I need to talk to is the hard part... |
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| 16:55.14 | g1powermac_EPC | can't believe what he found at the local thrift store for $9.50 |
| 16:55.25 | g1powermac_EPC | http://www.old-computers.com/MUSEUM/computer.asp?c=808 |
| 16:57.24 | agaffney | heh, nice |
| 16:57.35 | g1powermac_EPC | and it works |
| 16:57.55 | g1powermac_EPC | this sucker is easily the oldest most historic machine I got |
| 16:58.40 | g1powermac_EPC | can't believe I found an intel 8088 system |
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| 17:02.26 | g1powermac_EPC | I even got a floppy disk that came with it, it seems it was used for financial processing at a grocery store |
| 17:03.27 | g1powermac_EPC | its running some ancient version of MSDOS under this autoloaded program |
| 17:03.32 | landley | cool. |
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| 18:24.10 | T0mW | prpplague: huh? |
| 18:24.16 | prpplague | T0mW: hey bud |
| 18:24.22 | T0mW | hey |
| 18:24.36 | T0mW | just got your email, didn't know if you knew I was here today. |
| 18:24.49 | T0mW | hungry |
| 18:24.57 | prpplague | T0mW: hey, your hammer lcd board, have you got a diff on the changes you had to do for it? |
| 18:25.08 | prpplague | T0mW: actually i didn't realize you were in the channel |
| 18:25.12 | T0mW | prpplague: probably, around here someplace |
| 18:25.41 | prpplague | T0mW: could i pester you to dig it up? |
| 18:25.47 | T0mW | I'll look for it later and let you know, I usually do NOT blow anything away. |
| 18:25.57 | prpplague | T0mW: thanks |
| 18:26.24 | prpplague | T0mW: no sense in re-inventing the wheel |
| 18:26.45 | prpplague | except for CosmicPenguin , he likes re-inventing the wheel atleast once a month |
| 18:26.57 | T0mW | I know that I had make changes to the LCD driver portion of the kernel, the maintainer put my corrections into the kernel, but bit-rot made other changes. |
| 18:27.21 | prpplague | T0mW: i could have sworn you sent me a copy, but i can't find it |
| 18:27.36 | T0mW | prpplague: you going to use a 12bit color? |
| 18:28.03 | prpplague | T0mW: its the same lcd you were using |
| 18:28.17 | prpplague | T0mW: with the hammer |
| 18:29.18 | T0mW | here is the thing that was odd. That LCD wanted the colors arranged in a differnet order than what the kernel would have done. RGB vs BGR, or something like that. I had to (re)write some of the kernel to properly copy the color into the LCD buffer. |
| 18:30.02 | T0mW | anyway, I need food, then I'll look. That code should be here on the machine. |
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| 19:03.31 | Mirell | Hmm.. |
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| 19:08.19 | T0mW | prpplague: ok, mail is sent. Let me know if you find that what I'm doing with the LCD nibbleswaps is incorrect and that it is not needed. I couldn't find why the kernel was messing up the color nibbles. |
| 19:08.38 | prpplague | T0mW: np, thanks a bunch |
| 19:09.01 | prpplague | T0mW: seems like i now owe you about 3000 cheeseburgers and 5000 beers |
| 19:09.34 | T0mW | prpplague: just bringing up a s3c2440 board this week. finding all the problems with my circuit design. :( |
| 19:10.27 | T0mW | prpplague: you ever work with one of those NAND chips? You know the ones that have 64/128Meg and only have a databus tied to them + a couple of control sigs from the processor? |
| 19:11.09 | prpplague | T0mW: indeed the M8050 is 100% NAND |
| 19:11.26 | T0mW | prpplague: how did you dump code into that nand? |
| 19:12.29 | T0mW | I've got a uboot binary image from the vendor but also got probs with Uboot running on my board. Don't yet have the source from the vendor (Embest). |
| 19:13.00 | prpplague | T0mW: two seperate ways, first i added nand support to openocd for the s3c24xx, second i added nand support to apex, i use a small kernel and initrd that has the nand utilities that i can use to load the larger images |
| 19:13.42 | prpplague | T0mW: i guess you could pester AML for a copy |
| 19:13.52 | prpplague | T0mW: i guess i should have taken a copy when i left |
| 19:16.06 | T0mW | prpplague: ah, so you boot apex via the 4K Steppingstone RAM? |
| 19:23.14 | T0mW | prpplague: looks like the Apex site is down again (up but clobbered). |
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| 19:29.59 | prpplague | T0mW: yea, one sec phone |
| 19:36.06 | prpplague | T0mW: yea, marc has had server problems, its on my list to mirror the source for apex |
| 19:37.39 | T0mW | prpplague: I do have the apex-nlsu sources, it appears that there is a nand driver in that version-1.6.9 |
| 19:38.01 | T0mW | prpplague: I'll mess with that |
| 19:38.19 | prpplague | T0mW: lordy i have so much work to do |
| 19:38.23 | T0mW | prpplague: did you and AML part on good terms? |
| 19:38.33 | prpplague | T0mW: not really |
| 19:38.42 | T0mW | prpplague: where you at now? |
| 19:39.03 | prpplague | T0mW: took the plunge and opened up shop for myself |
| 19:39.09 | T0mW | prpplague: good |
| 19:39.12 | prpplague | T0mW: RAD Tech Labs |
| 19:39.16 | T0mW | heh |
| 19:39.43 | T0mW | "Rabid Angry Developer" ? |
| 19:40.03 | prpplague | Research, Analysis, Development |
| 19:40.08 | T0mW | LOL, ok |
| 19:40.24 | T0mW | just so long "rapid" is not in there... |
| 19:40.48 | CosmicPenguin | Your spin off should be "MSW Industries" |
| 19:40.50 | prpplague | T0mW: place holder page untill later this week - http://www.rad-tech-labs.com/ |
| 19:40.54 | T0mW | prpplague: I've got 30+ days to get this board up and do a show-n-tell for the customers distributors.. |
| 19:40.58 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: MSW? |
| 19:41.05 | CosmicPenguin | Make S*it Work |
| 19:41.08 | T0mW | LOL |
| 19:41.10 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: HA |
| 19:41.20 | T0mW | writes that down |
| 19:41.26 | prpplague | T0mW: i really wish i had a copy of all the source from AML |
| 19:41.40 | T0mW | yeah, btdt |
| 19:41.53 | prpplague | company motto 'The old carpenters saying "Measure Twice...Cut Once" applied to technology development.' |
| 19:41.56 | T0mW | esp if it was GPL |
| 19:42.18 | prpplague | T0mW: yea you could pester AML for it |
| 19:42.34 | T0mW | prpplague: not going to bother, I'll hack something together. |
| 19:42.40 | prpplague | T0mW: hehe |
| 19:43.16 | T0mW | prpplague: found some uboot code for dealing with the nand, so between these two I should find out why things don't work, yet. |
| 19:44.23 | T0mW | prpplague: wait, I have a photo of this new board.. |
| 19:49.37 | T0mW | prpplague: well, back to writing code. I've got to make some code snippets to download via jtag and test out more of the board subsystems. |
| 19:49.56 | T0mW | prpplague: oh |
| 19:50.03 | prpplague | T0mW: thanks for the patches |
| 19:50.05 | T0mW | prpplague: how stable is the enc28j60 code? |
| 19:50.23 | prpplague | T0mW: rock solid |
| 19:50.24 | T0mW | good, that is what is on that board. |
| 19:50.30 | T0mW | I'd like to get Apex to use it. |
| 19:51.13 | T0mW | later perhaps, so much needs to be done before the demo that I've got to "forget" about a lot of it. |
| 19:51.18 | T0mW | prpplague: later |
| 19:51.25 | prpplague | later |
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| 20:02.48 | chouimat | wanders in |
| 20:02.54 | chouimat | hi prpplague T0mW |
| 20:03.03 | prpplague | chouimat: greetings |
| 20:03.12 | T0mW | chouimat: welcome |
| 20:03.16 | T0mW | heh |
| 20:03.32 | T0mW | chouimat: where you living now? |
| 20:03.43 | chouimat | T0mW: ottawa |
| 20:03.52 | T0mW | haha, ok |
| 20:04.07 | T0mW | prpplague: btw, I may have heat in the house sometime later this week. |
| 20:04.41 | chouimat | T0mW: currently evaluating different options ... try to find a new job, or pay the money and try to start something |
| 20:04.46 | T0mW | chouimat: was down to 3.5C last week |
| 20:04.56 | chouimat | ouch |
| 20:05.23 | CosmicPenguin | bah - we've already broken freezing |
| 20:05.27 | CosmicPenguin | wimps |
| 20:05.38 | T0mW | warmer now, for a little while. We should have frost later next week or early the week after. |
| 20:05.40 | prpplague | never uses the heater |
| 20:05.49 | CosmicPenguin | (like you could control how cold it was) |
| 20:05.55 | T0mW | CosmicPenguin: you live at a higher altitude |
| 20:06.23 | chouimat | I started mine a few days ... way too humid in the apartment, just to be able to sleep better |
| 20:06.45 | T0mW | chouimat: you still live over top of those pakistanis? |
| 20:07.01 | chouimat | yup ... and they started it a long time ago |
| 20:07.24 | T0mW | chouimat: yeah, all you will need is a dehumidifier for the winter. |
| 20:07.42 | chouimat | T0mW: might be a good idea |
| 20:08.13 | T0mW | chouimat: if you rip up the carpeting then you would enjoy the heat from downstairs better. |
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| 20:08.32 | T0mW | chouimat: maybe you might have some issues with the landlord though? |
| 20:08.39 | chouimat | T0mW: this building is 100% concrete |
| 20:09.09 | T0mW | 8o |
| 20:11.33 | T0mW | chouimat: I have a small electric space heater here in the workshop and take it out into the living room at night. |
| 20:15.16 | T0mW | I ripped out all the electric heat this summer, then put PEX tubing under all the floors. We should have the oil-fired water heater hooked up later this week. |
| 20:21.44 | chouimat | :( |
| 20:23.22 | T0mW | chouimat: our electric rates are due to jump 30% to 60% on January 1st, so, the electric heat is out of here! |
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| 20:35.36 | chouimat | T0mW: wow |
| 20:36.03 | chouimat | anyway I have to go, I have to go see a friend at the hospital |
| 20:47.22 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: ping |
| 20:52.54 | CosmicPenguin | yodoliay |
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| 21:03.27 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: see /msg |
| 22:12.08 | Mirell | Hmm... |
| 22:12.15 | Mirell | needs to buy a ceiling fan |
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| 23:15.37 | Mirell | Oooh, new Mercurial web interface is purty |
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| 23:36.36 | prpplague | ho ho hum |
| 23:36.53 | Mirell | Oh. My. God. |
| 23:36.54 | Mirell | http://www.life.com/image/2668080/in-gallery/25371/30-dumb-inventions |
| 23:36.59 | Mirell | I wish this was available today. |
| 23:37.35 | prpplague | thats cool |
| 23:40.19 | prpplague | http://www.life.com/image/2661232/in-gallery/25371/30-dumb-inventions |
| 23:40.33 | prpplague | i've actually seen that one in use before |
| 23:40.53 | Mirell | Dear Lord. |